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Maxamilia N'Graves
Negatum Influensi
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Posted - 2013.10.30 21:54:00 -
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Greetings.
I would like to offer my services as a loan agent to the Eve community. But first let me introduce myself.
Who am I?
I have been playing Eve since early 2008 and have grown quite fond of the industry side of things... until I got bitten by the PvP bug. PvP being what it is I started losing ships and realized that I needed an income, a steady one, to support my new addiction. I then purchased a character called Line Out who offered a corp creation / alliance creation service, the old thread can still be found in the forum archive (it was Line Out that created HYDRA RELOADED Alliance) and started training her for PvP. I've sold Line Out in her prime for a decent amount for what she was trained at the time and invested the ISK with another toon.
I then created another character called Kyra Mercury which I used to run lotteries with, secured by Somerset Mahm before Blink was created. I actually helped Somer test run the Blink project. Her lotteries can also be found on the old forums (to which I will put a link to once I get home).
I then bought another character which I trained and recently sold leaving me with a decent amount of liquid ISK.
What do I offer?
I want to use that liquid ISK that I have right now to offer loans to the community. Here is what I propose:
- I will offer loans with collateral, in the form of blueprints, ships, and items.
-- Researched Blueprints (obviously only originals) will be valued @ NPC market value.
-- Ships (rigged or not) will be valued at best jita sell order -15% provided it is a logical sell price.
-- Items will be valued individually depending on the item.
In return I will hold on to the collateral for a specified amount of time in the agreement between myself and the interested party, and will return the item to the owner at NO INTEREST RATE for the time being, simply to make a name for myself again.
These terms are bound to change at some point in time and it will be posted in this topic.
This is pretty much it for now. More to be posted later.
NB: MD residents, feel free to comment / suggest. Criticism is always positive. |
Maxamilia N'Graves
Negatum Influensi
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Posted - 2013.10.30 21:56:00 -
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Reserved. |
OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
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Posted - 2013.10.30 22:18:00 -
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Would like pledge . .. 20 . . .
Hmm, someone OFFERING money, not asking for it?!
I don't know what to do with myself. Looks like a pretty straightforward service. Do you have ...
Ah ha! I see it, zero interest rate loans! 'Just to establish your name.'
--suspicious face-- |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
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Posted - 2013.10.30 22:33:00 -
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I too would like to buy researched blueprints at NPC price.
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Maxamilia N'Graves
Negatum Influensi
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Posted - 2013.10.30 23:22:00 -
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This is where you are wrong. I have no intention of buying anything. I want to offer a LOAN service not a BUY service.
But I guess the only way for me to prove that would be someone trying it. Would any of you two like to try to prove my service isn't legit? |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
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Posted - 2013.10.31 00:29:00 -
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Maxamilia N'Graves wrote:This is where you are wrong. I have no intention of buying anything. I want to offer a LOAN service not a BUY service.
But I guess the only way for me to prove that would be someone trying it. Would any of you two like to try to prove my service isn't legit?
If I can think of a way to ensure I do not get shafted if you refuse to offer a return of the collateral, I might consider this offer for a loan.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content.
The difference between an enemy and a friend is that you stab your enemies in the front. |
X ATM092
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2013.10.31 08:39:00 -
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Elizabeth Norn wrote:I too would like to buy researched blueprints at NPC price.
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flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2013.10.31 10:45:00 -
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X ATM092 wrote:Elizabeth Norn wrote:I too would like to buy researched blueprints at NPC price.
I usually go for below npc , but to each their own .... 
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Nanatoa
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Posted - 2013.10.31 11:51:00 -
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So which character did you start playing with?
The character you are posting with is decently old, but indistinguishable from an alt. It joined a corporation immediately after creation, it posted only in the Character Bazaar. There is no other history. Nothing to show you can be trusted with my carefully researched battlehip BPO. (There's nothing wrong with valueing them at NPC price per se, but I have invested a lot of time and effort in getting it properly researched, which means I'm more attached to it and don't want you to run off with it.)
"Stay the course, we have done this many times before."
- (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
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Lord LazyGhost
The Bastards
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Posted - 2013.10.31 13:30:00 -
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ship huls at =15% of sell in jita is gona be below the buy price as well be a few % i would think.
I 2 would love to buy ships and BPos under NPC price to flip fora quick resell awsome idea |
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Maxamilia N'Graves
Negatum Influensi
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Posted - 2013.10.31 20:53:00 -
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Alright guys, give it a chance, even Grendell started somewhere. |
Maxamilia N'Graves
Negatum Influensi
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Posted - 2013.10.31 21:06:00 -
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Nanatoa wrote:So which character did you start playing with?
The character you are posting with is decently old, but indistinguishable from an alt.
To answer your question, my very first character was named "Yannodel".
To further answer your question, yes this character is an alt, lightly trained, that was created for the sole purpose of holding the corp I am in right now, to satisfy my lust for blood in Empire WD with a few friends from Setenta Corp, namely Sean Avery, Marie Morton and a few others that we met along the way from our very first war dec.
All this information is verifyable on Battleclinic.
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Thoraemond
Far Ranger
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:19:00 -
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Was one of your past pilots Absalom Marathon, writing "Just don't have the time anymore. Recently discovered there is a life outside of Eve... " and "Kind of disappointed at the level of mistrust on these forums. It will be good to stay away some"?
Nothing wrong with takin' a break from New Eden, but if you were to get turned off by mistrust (say, in Market Discussions, as far-fetched as that sounds) and step away for a while, what would people do who wanted their collateral back? |
Nanatoa
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:32:00 -
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Maxamilia N'Graves wrote:To answer your question, my very first character was named "Yannodel".
So that's your main?
Maxamilia N'Graves wrote:Alright guys, give it a chance, even Grendell started somewhere.
Tell me, where did he start?
"Stay the course, we have done this many times before."
- (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
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Posted - 2013.10.31 22:48:00 -
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Maxamilia N'Graves wrote:Alright guys, give it a chance, even Grendell started somewhere.
Remember it's nothing personal, we're just a suspicious bunch and when someone comes in offering zero interest loans people are naturally skeptical.
Nanatoa wrote:Maxamilia N'Graves wrote:Alright guys, give it a chance, even Grendell started somewhere. Tell me, where did he start?
In case you didn't know, it's quite interesting :).
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Maxamilia N'Graves
Negatum Influensi
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Posted - 2013.10.31 23:13:00 -
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Funny how people dig up stuff on character not mentionned but fail to look up characters that are.
Here is another thread from Kyra Mercury, showing the third lottery i did, with links to the first and second.
Human nature to look fir bugs I suppose... |
Kyra Mercury
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.31 23:20:00 -
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Reading that thread brings back memories :) |
Nanatoa
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Posted - 2013.10.31 23:43:00 -
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Yeah I know. My indirect and perhaps too subtle point was that he didn't start by posting with an alt offering 0% loans.
Interesting read that btw.
"Stay the course, we have done this many times before."
- (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
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Maxamilia N'Graves
Negatum Influensi
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Posted - 2013.10.31 23:51:00 -
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Nanatoa wrote:Yeah I know. My indirect and perhaps too subtle point was that he didn't start by posting with an alt offering 0% loans. Interesting read that btw.
I am not Grendell and everyone has a different path of life.
As a side note, here's another lottery I did with Kyra, this one self secured.
I actually had forgotten about that one. |
Nanatoa
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:06:00 -
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Maxamilia N'Graves wrote:I am not Grendell and everyone has a different path of life.
Indeed. If you want to do business on MD you'll have to do more than just make a post. This is not Sell Orders where people will believe anything you say.
Now I may be a bit hard on you, but all I want to make clear is that you'll have to put in the effort to become a proper trusted loan business. Showing that you understand the Market is what's important.
Quickly, name 3 of your competitors and their terms and rates.
"Stay the course, we have done this many times before."
- (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
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Maxamilia N'Graves
Negatum Influensi
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:30:00 -
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I will admit this one, I wasn't expecting that question.
Technically, I could claim that as of now, I have no competition simply based on my interest rate.
But that would be the easy answer. What I will say is that for the time being, I have not looked at the competition extensively simply because I want to rebuild a name (probably should have used Kyra for that, but oh well) and offering a "free" service is, although both uncommon and suspicious, is the best way to get noticed.
Do something different and people will talk about you, good or bad, but they will talk. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:53:00 -
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Maxamilia N'Graves wrote:I will admit this one, I wasn't expecting that question.
Technically, I could claim that as of now, I have no competition simply based on my interest rate.
This is odd, because I am getting loans requests even in these days (and without self thread bumping) and I am not even promising "zero interest rates".
Maybe you missed some tiny details in your plan?
I will tell you one hint: almost all the loans get asked directly in game, via EvE-mail or direct chat.
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Maxamilia N'Graves
Negatum Influensi
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Posted - 2013.11.01 02:17:00 -
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You misinterpreted what I said.
I never claimed that I had no competition in the loan business. What I said was that as of now, no one was offering 0% and stated the reason why this was so.. I guess I didn't phrase it properly.
As for MD not being the Sell orders, I know. You guys seem more like a close knit bunch and I can see that taking my place will be an exhausting process.
Either way, I have been more than honest in answering every question asked to me, linked thread of past involvement on the eve-O forums, posted with the character responsible for that involvement and am still here right now debating with all of you.
I have ISK available for loans and am open for discussion :) |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2013.11.01 08:26:00 -
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Maxamilia N'Graves wrote:You misinterpreted what I said.
I never claimed that I had no competition in the loan business. What I said was that as of now, no one was offering 0% and stated the reason why this was so.. I guess I didn't phrase it properly.
Now, please re-read my reply and find out why it was relevant and why it explains both your difficulty here and why offering 0% is less enticing than you'd hope.
The reply of mine to you, is important for you, not for me.
Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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I Was There
Scorpion Invest
xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
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Posted - 2013.11.01 08:42:00 -
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Most of the posters on this forum aren't looking to loan money. Every post about loans/bonds gets hailed down.
~If you hit hot metal with a hammer, you'll turn the metal into something useful~ |
Nanatoa
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Posted - 2013.11.01 12:29:00 -
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Maxamilia N'Graves wrote:offering a "free" service is, although both uncommon and suspicious, is the best way to get noticed.
Here, the best way to get noticed is to make decent and intelligent posts. Build up a solid posting history, make sure people recognise your name. If you're interested in starting a business, being active on MD will allow you to get to know how things work, find out what your future competition does and why. You'll be better prepared and will have an easier time launching your business.
Maxamilia N'Graves wrote:Technically, I could claim that as of now, I have no competition simply based on my interest rate.
Quoting this out of order because it touches on what I said above. This is exactly the type of comment which you shouldn't make in your posts.
Maxamilia N'Graves wrote:You guys seem more like a close knit bunch and I can see that taking my place will be an exhausting process.
You mean you'll have to make an effort to get people to trust you with their money and/or stuff. That's entirely correct.
I Was There wrote:Every post about loans/bonds gets hailed down.
That's not true. It's just that the ones which get hailed down are more active and stay at the top longer. Did you notice that thread a couple of days ago where 220B (that's two-hundred-and-twenty-billion) was raised in half an hour?
"Stay the course, we have done this many times before."
- (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
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flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2013.11.01 13:01:00 -
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Nanatoa wrote:Maxamilia N'Graves wrote:Technically, I could claim that as of now, I have no competition simply based on my interest rate. Quoting this out of order because it touches on what I said above. This is exactly the type of comment which you shouldn't make in your posts.
But he IS right , i have not seen anyone offer a 0% interest and as such PURELY on the interest rate he has no competition.He is clearly talking about the rate ALONE  .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Nanatoa
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Posted - 2013.11.01 13:30:00 -
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Well, technically he has no competition because his business isn't actually operating yet.
"Stay the course, we have done this many times before."
- (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
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Maxamilia N'Graves
Negatum Influensi
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Posted - 2013.11.01 14:18:00 -
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Nanatoa wrote:I Was There wrote:Every post about loans/bonds gets hailed down. That's not true. It's just that the ones which get hailed down are more active and stay at the top longer. Did you notice that thread a couple of days ago where 220B (that's two-hundred-and-twenty-billion) was raised in half an hour?
What Nanatoa said. Would have loved yo get my hands on part of that to get involved in MD, but it filled up too quick. |
okoolos rimmer
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.11.01 15:24:00 -
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In my opinion offering 0% collaterallized is nothing new as already they have very low interest rates from folks who have been giving them out for a while (read "trustworthy"). Now offering partially collateralized loans at a decent interest rate would be interesting. You could also try catering to the nullsec guys with collateral in hard to reach places (pun unintended).
On another note noise:signal ratio when it comes to "dubious" loan requests is pretty high and they also attract a lot of attention. |
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