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Grendel Sickswitch
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:19:00 -
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EVE players like to tell people how "complex" and "deep" the game is, and when you start it certainly seems that way, but after a few weeks it becomes apparent that the game is no more complex than most and in fact, less so than many.
In EVE there are 5 things you can do;
PVP
missions
gathering (mining, salvaging, exploration)
manufacture
trade
In addition there are a few hundred skills that enable you to be a tiny bit better at one of the 5 activities.
This all happens in a few hundred areas that are all essentially the same.
and that's EVE.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:27:00 -
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Eh, if you're going for reductionism, why not just boil it down to two things:
GÇó Play.
GÇó Not play.
It's about as useful a breakdown.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Na Und
Galactronics
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:27:00 -
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I subscribe, log on once in a while, and maybe make a post on the forums when the whining gets too fierce.
Play the game? Don't have time for it . . . although I rat the belts in my home system when I have 20 minutes to spare. Love those metal scraps, yay. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:30:00 -
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It's all about posting. I hate space. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:30:00 -
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Please sir, regale us with stories of your homeland called WoW and how deep and complex the Pandaverse has become.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Grendel Sickswitch
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:34:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Eh, if you're going for reductionism, why not just boil it down to two things:
GÇó Play.
GÇó Not play.
It's about as useful a breakdown.
because playing eve is not about not playing eve.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:36:00 -
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Grendel Sickswitch wrote:Tippia wrote:Eh, if you're going for reductionism, why not just boil it down to two things:
GÇó Play.
GÇó Not play.
It's about as useful a breakdown. because playing eve is not about not playing eve.
Of course it is. There are tons of stuff to do in EVE that entail not playing the game.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Grendel Sickswitch
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:36:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Please sir, regale us with stories of your homeland called WoW and how deep and complex the Pandaverse has become.
WoW? is that like dwarf fortress? |
Jim Era
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:36:00 -
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I too play this game known as "EVE ONLINE"
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:38:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:It's all about posting. I hate space.
This ^^. Seriously, 100M skill points and I spend more time shiptoasting than flying. =/
edit: to be fair, it's: job and family and (sleep or eve-o). |
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Grendel Sickswitch
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:38:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Grendel Sickswitch wrote:Tippia wrote:Eh, if you're going for reductionism, why not just boil it down to two things:
GÇó Play.
GÇó Not play.
It's about as useful a breakdown. because playing eve is not about not playing eve. Of course it is. There are tons of stuff to do in EVE that entail not playing the game.
if you're making a beef stroganoff while you mine or mission you are not playing EVE my dear. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:39:00 -
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Confirming that EVE is both broken and down. |
Aiwha
Infinite Point
Nulli Secunda
592
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:40:00 -
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All life is breathing, eating, shitting, and *******. That's it. What a ripoff.
We're winning the war if it says so on CAOD! -á
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:42:00 -
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Grendel Sickswitch wrote:if you're making a beef stroganoff while you mine or mission you are not playing EVE my dear.
Actually, you are, but that's besides the point.
The point is that if you're going to skip a huge swath of activities in EVE and/or clump others together in incoherent and arbitrary clusters, you might as well do it properly and just boil it down to playing and not playing. That way, you can make any ridiculous claim and have it seem rather reasonable and compelling compared to the original assertion.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Black Dranzer
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:43:00 -
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WoW combat is far more elaborate and sophisticated than Eve combat.
Go on, just try to deny it.
Walking in Stations as a Social Hub: Business vs Pleasure in Incarna |
To Be Me
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:46:00 -
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People say that eve is complicated because the majority of people that play eve is dumb.
And I dont mean it in an offensive manner, but its true. |
Grendel Sickswitch
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:48:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Grendel Sickswitch wrote:if you're making a beef stroganoff while you mine or mission you are not playing EVE my dear. Actually, you are, but that's besides the point. The point is that if you're going to skip a huge swath of activities in EVE and/or clump others together in incoherent and arbitrary clusters, you might as well do it properly and just boil it down to playing and not playing. That way, you can make any ridiculous claim and have it seem rather reasonable and compelling compared to the original assertion.
calm down |
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:49:00 -
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Grendel Sickswitch wrote:
EVE players like to tell people how "complex" and "deep" the game is, and when you start it certainly seems that way, but after a few weeks it becomes apparent that the game is no more complex than most and in fact, less so than many.
You can play EVE daily for years and you still see there's a lot to study or to learn. In any other game after 1 month you cap your level, in EVE after 1 year you're still a noob. And you never cap anyway.
One can like or dislike this, but it's so.
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Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:50:00 -
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Don't forget the forum warrioring. I mean Tippia doesn't actually log into EVE the game proper and play. Just the forums. Only reason they have an account.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:51:00 -
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Grendel Sickswitch wrote:calm down Huh? 
I'm giving you pointers on how to structure your red herrings for best effect and you want me to calm down? That doesn't even make senseGǪ
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:54:00 -
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Black Dranzer wrote:WoW combat is far more elaborate and sophisticated than Eve combat.
Go on, just try to deny it.
I would have believed you back in the days when hunters needed to be at range to use their ranged attacks.
The major difference between the two is the timescale involved. WoW combat starts, and you make decisions that effect the outcome, then the outcome is resolved. In EVE you make decisions that effect the outcome, then combat starts, then the outcome is resolved.
In WoW you have more buttons to press, so the visual display can become more elaborate. There are combination moves which make combat more sophisticated.
In EVE there are a multitude of weapon types and environmental modifiers available to make the battle more elaborate (have I told you how much I appreciate the visual flair of a cruise missile raven). There are innumerable combinations of offenses and counters available which make combat more sophisticated.
Now certainly to the thirty-second attention span it may seem that EVE combat is boring, but I only consider that viewpoint valid if your interpretation of combat being the activity that takes place after the first shot is fired made sense. Combat in EVE starts the moment you undock.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Grendel Sickswitch
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:56:00 -
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Sura Sadiva wrote:Grendel Sickswitch wrote:
EVE players like to tell people how "complex" and "deep" the game is, and when you start it certainly seems that way, but after a few weeks it becomes apparent that the game is no more complex than most and in fact, less so than many.
You can play EVE daily for years and you still see there's a lot to study or to learn. In any other game after 1 month you cap your level, in EVE after 1 year you're still a noob. And you never cap anyway. One can like or dislike this, but it's so.
true. it would literally take you decades to learn everything. |
Grendel Sickswitch
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Posted - 2013.11.01 00:58:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Grendel Sickswitch wrote:calm down Huh? I'm giving you pointers on how to structure your red herrings for best effect and you want me to calm down? That doesn't even make senseGǪ
you're getting excited. and you're confused.  |
Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations
Shaktipat Revelators
353
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Posted - 2013.11.01 01:00:00 -
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OP, you forgot RP/Live Events |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
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Posted - 2013.11.01 01:00:00 -
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Most complex part of EVE isn't hardcoded: it's social interactions within bigger corporations / alliances.
And you forgot at least two activity options:
Courier contracts
Incursions <= this one is the most fun group PvE activity among MMO games. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.11.01 01:00:00 -
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Grendel Sickswitch wrote:you're getting excited. and you're confused. No and no, in roughly that order.
I'm just pointing out that if you're going to go for reductionism, reduce it all the way.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters
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Posted - 2013.11.01 01:05:00 -
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Black Dranzer wrote:WoW combat is far more elaborate and sophisticated than Eve combat.
Go on, just try to deny it.
Yes, hitting the same 4-5 keys in rotation every few seconds with a few reaction based ones is totally more sophisticated than having to keep track of distance and traversal of all your adversaries to minimize their DPS on you while maxing DPS on the target.
"EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for."
-CCP Wrangler |
Grendel Sickswitch
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Posted - 2013.11.01 01:05:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Grendel Sickswitch wrote:you're getting excited. and you're confused. No and no, in roughly that order. I'm just pointing out that if you're going to go for reductionism, reduce it all the way.
but your reduction is nonsense.
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Grendel Sickswitch
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Posted - 2013.11.01 01:06:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:Most complex part of EVE isn't hardcoded: it's social interactions within bigger corporations / alliances.
And you forgot at least two activity options:
Courier contracts
Incursions <= this one is the most fun group PvE activity among MMO games.
1. trading
2. missions |
Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
575
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Posted - 2013.11.01 01:07:00 -
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Well the combat itself in EVE is pretty simple and boring. Its the strategic layer that makes EVE interesting with the combinations of setups and actions you can do.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
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