So things have died down on the forums a bit from all that other controversy (looking at you SOMER), I wanted to bring up something for discussion to see where this stands exactly. I've always been a fan of the hyperion everyone knows that, but what strikes me odd is that people seem to really avoid this class of ship, so I was wondering if I could get some community feedback on this subject.

1.How often would you say you use a battleship outside of PVE?
a.What role do you use it as
b.Do you find it as effective as the other classes of ships
c.If you dont use a battleship, why dont you?

2.How do you feel about the current state of battleships?
a.Do you think they are fine as is or need some sort of work done
b.If you think they need work. what mechanic would you alter?

3.With the upcoming changes, battleships will be even slower and more cumbersome, how do you think this will effect your choice of using or not using a battleship?

4.Are there specific battleships you think need to be reworked?

5.Whens the last time you flew a battleship outside of PVE?
a.Was it solo, gang, or in a fleet?
b.Did you get blown up?
c.Did you feel that it was the right ship for the job?

6.What do you think of the prices of battleships vs other ships?
a.Is the cost to gain ratio worth it?
b.Do you hesitate to fly it in pvp because of it?

7.Lastly, what do you fear most in a battleship, what on your overview makes you wish you had chosen a different ship the second you see it?

*Edit* Would really appreciate if a dev would pop in just to state how they feel about the current status of battleships. I'll take a "Working as intended" or "Thinking about it" :3

1. I don't use them at all, but that's more because I cant fly any of them besides Amarr properly (Amarr BS suck for solo)
2. Overall they are fine
3. Never gonna fly without a scout again
4. TEMPEST
5. I suicided a ECCM apocalypse into a Sabre/Falcon camp, efficiency brake even favoring me because I had fat insurance payout
6. As they are insurable I would always chose to fly a Armageddon instead of a Curse , when you can fly them theyre definatly better than smaller hulls.
7. Being tackled off gate is pretty bad, everything else is fine.

1.How often would you say you use a battleship outside of PVE?

I don't use battleships for PvE. Living in a wormhole, their common use is for home defense and rolling the static

a.What role do you use it as

Neuting Bhaalgorns are probably the big one in most wormhole, with Geddons being the cheaper version.

b.Do you find it as effective as the other classes of ships

Works well for what it does with good EHP.

2.How do you feel about the current state of battleships?

a.Do you think they are fine as is or need some sort of work done

Given where I live, it would take a lot of buffs to make battleships common for me to use, to the point that they'd have to be ridiculously overpowered.

3.With the upcoming changes, battleships will be even slower and more cumbersome, how do you think this will effect your choice of using or not using a battleship?

No effect.

4.Are there specific battleships you think need to be reworked?

I'd say Raven, but the RHMLs might just turn that around. We'll see.

5.Whens the last time you flew a battleship outside of PVE?

Few days ago? Hole rolling.

a.Was it solo, gang, or in a fleet?

Gang.

b.Did you get blown up?

Nope.,

c.Did you feel that it was the right ship for the job?

Yup. Then again, that's a function of it's mass, not it's usefulness in PvP, so... v0v

Outside of nueting & sentry drone shens, BS hulls in solo/small gang PVP are outclassed. In larger fleets with multiple traige carriers & support vessels{ 90% webs, 40% painters, scram}; they'll murder pretty much any subcap fleet with ease.

What if someone gave you and your friends some free BS's to fly around it? Would you be willing to go get them blown up?

What about larger fleets, dreads , carriers , titans? Any business on that battlefield?

Yes, the get more important as supers hit the field, people don't like their big rifters being talked.

Can you elaborate?

Like any other ship, supers can be zerged down.......if you.can keep them on the field.....in order to do that you need a sub-cap fleet, and normally that would be a battleship doctrine.

Is this a response to me telling you not to fly a battleship as a month one old ?

that's ridicilous ...

Is this a response to me telling you not to fly a battleship as a month one old ?

that's ridicilous ...

C'mon, she seems to be genuine in her curiosity and her the answers to her questions are interesting enough for other newbies (like myself), too.

I can't really answer all that on my phone however I will say this about them.

They have been nerfed from something that everyone aspired to have and use in PvP to something you get to shoot red crosses with.

They are not really battleships, its just a name they have left over from the day they were actually "battleships".

A T3 has equal tank. A T3 has equal dps in most cases. A T3 has better tracking. A T3 has better lock time. A T3 has better damage mitigation. A T3 has better mobility. A T3 has better resists. A ... I could go on forever. And do the same with most other large sized ships.

I'm sneaking round null at the moment in a battleship doing combat sites. It can tank 10/10's without speed tanking, sit there pump out amazing dps. Moves fast when I need it to. Cloaks up nicely. When I uncloak it doesn't take forever to lock stuff. Its an awesome battleship - its called an Ishtar.

Ironically if I was to actually use a battleship I'd need two other RR battleships to rep the first battleship because it can't tank anywhere near as well as a HAC. Why, sig radius. Cloak? When I uncloak it takes over 45 seconds, after the 10 second delay to lock a frigate.

T3's, HACS, BC should be given battleship hull graphics and we could call them Battleships because they outclass the battleship in almost every way.

There's a few people going around that will say BS are fine but they likely sit in a group of 100 people and pop people jumping from a gate or are talking fleet which is totally different. Large fleets virtually eliminate any deficiencies in a ships performance or at least mask it enough for it not to matter.

The last time I used a battleship was in Rancer lol. I took one out to 0.0 and nobody would engage it, probably thinking it was bait, and I had a cloak on it so whenever I tried to lock someone they'd warped away way before it finished locking.

I was so annoyed I fit up a battleship in Jita and pod killed some poor guy in a suicide. Then I fit a retro bleed tank megathron and took it to Rancer to suicide. Ended up getting into a fight with 2 pies but unfortunately 15 or so PL tards decided to interrupt us.

So battleships are the tacklers of cap fleets?

:3 no, thankyou for your advice, but this was more a response to everyone i talk to say they dont fly battleships, I decided to find out why people dont fly these magnificent ships.

Do you think that needs to be changed? Or do you feel thats fine the way it is and battleships should be the niche they are currently, situational.

Seven fleets at 6VDT

I had a scan with 992 megas on grid.

They are fine as is as tools in the tool box, just find the right tool to use.

Hate to smack something down, but whatever you say, battleships are not getting changed anytime soon. They just rebalanced them in Odyssey

Edit: but I do think they are in a strong state, for both solo and fleets.