2. I do not have to provide reason or rationale for my service to my Fatherland to foreigners and outsiders, either at length or in brief.

Yeah, I've noticed that. Perhaps if the State wants so badly to influence the Federation's internal affairs, it should submit a membership application.

You're willing to give up 50% control in the federation? Hmmm.... What terms?

You're willing to give up 50% control in the federation?

Slightly less, but if it'll make the State stop whining about the Federation, yes.

Also, with the State as a member, the Federation would be the single most powerful political and military entity in the cluster, easily able to repel any external threat such as the Empire, Sansha's Nation, Guristas, Serpentis or the Sleepers with a minimum of effort.

Oh look, anotherthread descending into the cesspool of gallente-caldari IGS warfare. Keep up the good work, ladies.


Anyway, on the original post regarding Intaki:
Where the initial post has proven to be interesting to read, it's a bit... lacking. For an analytical post, even one named 'Intaki and the Federation', it is either foolish or simply biased to take only those two entities into account. I believe a certain Caldari megacorp has already been brought up, so I'll extend that to the Intaki Syndicate as well, which is quite rarely mentioned.

I am aware some federals like to live in illusions of grandeur, but closing your eyes and pretending something's not there is not a viable thing when it comes to strategic analysis. Which brings me back to my point about foolishness/bias again - were you actually writing an analysis or a poorly disguised propaganda pamphlet?

Or I guess more Importantly it would give the federation the opportunity it so wants to squish the Minmatar because it doesn't seem to like there freedom any more either. The federation wants to pull every other nation into its ranks by force and abusing its power as it see's fit. It takes over the home worlds of other nations and then expects them to go happily along with it. My nation has a lot of problems as well and we are by no means perfect but the federation never has and never will apologise for there crimes. Not at least till the day we take there home planet from them, an action that I really hope we never need to take.

It's pretty amazing how wrong you managed to be in so few words.

Usually people on the IGS have to write about three paragraphs or so to be this misinformed.

Welcome to the Intergalactic Summit, Okagima.

I suggest you do a bit more research than the first couple of trash sensationalist stories in the future, before coming here and posting things with an approach that sounds like you're dictating facts.

Slightly less, but if it'll make the State stop whining about the Federation, yes.

Also, with the State as a member, the Federation would be the single most powerful political and military entity in the cluster, easily able to repel any external threat such as the Empire, Sansha's Nation, Guristas, Serpentis or the Sleepers with a minimum of effort.

You're taking a sensationalist story regarding one Senator, less than a year from elections, try to appease to a minority of far right nationalists in an attempt to score votes.

You're then using that, and a moment in history you barely gave a whim of attention to the details of, and simply cherry picking a fact from, and then use this in your damning criticism where you made bold accusations against the Federation.


I strongly suggest you rethink your approach, there are people here who have been debating this long before you got behind the controls of your first training shuttle, some of these arguments have been long done to death. You're fresh meat in a well picked bone yard.

Okay, this was supposed to be a joke, but actually that sounds kind of sexy, doesn't it?

Okay, this was supposed to be a joke, but actually that sounds kind of sexy, doesn't it?

And now it seems we're once more talking about a Federation that better matches it's original mandate.

Even if our respective nations don't travel this path of mutual assistance, there's absolutely no reason that we can't.

Because of other activity in this thread, it took me a while to get to this.

This language you're using here manages to be both extremely self-serving and incredibly insulting to both Federalist Intaki and non-Intaki Federals. This? This is why I find so much trouble debating most Caldari rationally. Even though it has perfecty legitimate grievances with the Federation, the State still manages to possess a towering combined hero-victim complex, and the way it projects that onto its dealings with other nations is honestly teeth-grinding.

You said earlier in this thread (or it may have been the other one) that the bombardment of Caldari Prime wasn't ancient history for the Caldari. Maybe not, but it's still history. It's still in the past. It happened. The vast majority of people who live in the Federation today don't approve of it. The vast majority of people who live in the Federation today weren't even alive when it happened. The people responsible for the decisions that led to it were imprisoned or exiled from the Federation. Yet State capsuleers still appoint blame for the bombardment of Caldari Prime as if people like myself had our fingers on the buttons. Our ancestors - and your ancestors - are forcing us to bear the burden of sins that never belonged to us.

You aren't "seeing another client race leave the big, bad Federation" or "being there for a seceding race in their hour of need." You're all projecting your own vendetta onto my people's struggles for prosperity and success within - or, in the case of the seccessionalists - without the Federation. Federalist Intaki certainly don't want your "help" and while I may not know everything about secessionalist Intaki they sure as hell aren't seceeding for you, they're seceeding for us, however misguided that sentiment may be. And trust me, if you wanted to score some sort of diplomatic point with either the secessionalists or the Federealists by bringing up a Caldari occupation of our homeworld, you ****ed up. Do the caldari want to score points with either faction of Intaki? Then stay the hell away from our homeworld, and the system it resides in. You want to call that Federal territory? Yeah, some might agree, some might disagree. But first and foremost it's ours. It belongs to the Intaki people, the Intaki Assembly (as a member of the Federation) and the Caldari have never, read never, had any claim to it, no matter what Heth's auction falsely claims.

Trust me, the Intaki people might not be thrilled that the Federation is at war right now, but anyone thinking that we're somehow becoming more sympathetic to a State which auctioned our planets to its own megacorporations is in for a massive, crippling disappointment. The absolute best the State could possibly hope for at this point is that we'll start despising both of you, but right now the State bears the brunt of it, because in a stroke of sheer lunacy you managed to become everything that you hated most, and we had to suffer for it.

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