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Yendaj
Black Aces
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2013.11.05 04:53:00 -
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As always, New Zealand walks to the beat of its own drum and pushes for Parliament to pass a new law crushing cyber bullies and harrasment.
Will it work? Perhaps so at a National/local level.
How will they deal with international bullies via Social Networks and even MMO's like Eve Online?
Will this be the precedent for the rest of the Western World to create and enforce these laws across the board?
If so.... What will happen to Goons, The Mittani and other morons who feel harrasment, personal insults and encitement of suicide are just plain old sandbox fun and games? No mad, no sad, no bad...............
I've copped a fair amount of personal abuse, attacks and absolute defamation and utter bullshyte from many a player in this game.. would I consider it worth having someone actually charged and put in jail over....
In some cases, absolutely not, I am fully aware of how pathetic some players are and how much attention they crave..
In a few other cases, yes... Some of the personal abuse, private emails and threats I have received, I believe those few people are quite sick and deserve to spend a few months in jail contemplating their personality disorder.
Overall..... Maybe this would be a good thing for Facebook and other social network sites.... but EvE?
Perhaps just a few tweaks here and there to what we already have is needed... but outright jail sentence if a few people get their feathers ruffled... I am not so sure.
It comes down to interpretation and some softies considering the smallest slight, their biggest affront.....
How would they monitor this kind of thing, judge it?
Is it time for CCP to tighten up their ideas on personal attacks etc on public forums? What is acceptable and what is not?
Yes I think so, before our game gets destroyed by those few people who will take it to the extreme when they get a little butthurt.
Times are changing and its definitely adapt or die time...
Discuss......
Link to Article about Law Changes in New Zealand regarding Cyber Bullies
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Yendaj
Black Aces
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2013.11.05 05:01:00 -
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Forgot to add that poor old VegasMirage would be absolutely crushed if this sort of bill was passed where he lives
Several years in jail ???
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Saeger1737
Pod Repo
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Posted - 2013.11.05 05:05:00 -
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The most butthurt people are always crying for a law to be made.
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Cannibal Kane
My Little Ponies of the Apocalypse
Cannibal Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.05 05:45:00 -
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So shooting people spaceships in a game designed to shoot people people spaceships is considered bullying.
Interesting...
People need to take things into context.... However people always fail in that regard. |
Yendaj
Black Aces
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2013.11.05 06:30:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:So shooting people spaceships in a game designed to shoot people people spaceships is considered bullying.
Interesting...
People need to take things into context.... However people always fail in that regard.
You could take a leaf out of your own book with that comment.
1. This is not about shooting each other in a game aka: General gameplay
2. Personal attacks, harrasment and suicide encitement are the context of above post and the bill being passed in Parliament. |
Saeger1737
Pod Repo
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Posted - 2013.11.05 06:45:00 -
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Yendaj wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:So shooting people spaceships in a game designed to shoot people people spaceships is considered bullying.
Interesting...
People need to take things into context.... However people always fail in that regard. You could take a leaf out of your own book with that comment. 1. This is not about shooting each other in a game aka: General gameplay 2. Personal attacks, harrasment and suicide encitement are the context of above post and the bill being passed in Parliament.
Sounds more like government hand holding, " wah government, the Goonies killed my spaceship"
The many generation's of people didn't have laws about being bullied, and they are fine. When did people become so weak minded about everything.
You've got guns on your ship, otherwise hit the block button and ignore it, its a game grow up stop being a baby. |
Lord Razpataz
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
51
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Posted - 2013.11.05 09:24:00 -
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Oh, you should be careful Yendaj.
Some of your rants might be seen as personal attacks :P |
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
CODE.
2072
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Posted - 2013.11.05 09:58:00 -
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I'm proud to be an American!
Freedom! |
Marexlovox
BLOMI
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2013.11.05 10:34:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:I'm proud to be an American!
Freedom!
Me too. |
Baaldor
In Igne Morim
Easily Excited
158
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:00:00 -
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Yendaj wrote:As always, New Zealand walks to the beat of its own drum and pushes for Parliament to pass a new law crushing cyber bullies and harrasment.
Kiwi's..where the Men are Men and the Sheep are nervous.
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Ifly Uwalk
Empire Tax Collection Agency
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Posted - 2013.11.05 12:24:00 -
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this is in C+P... why, exactly? |
Taal Khurin
Happy Asteroid Ltd
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Posted - 2013.11.05 12:48:00 -
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Yendaj wrote:[quote=Cannibal Kane]
2. Personal attacks, harrasment and suicide encitement are the context of above post and the bill being passed in Parliament.
Well, that's already against the rules of EVE.
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Yendaj
Black Aces
Against ALL Authorities
41
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Posted - 2013.11.05 14:21:00 -
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Taal Khurin wrote:Yendaj wrote:[quote=Cannibal Kane]
2. Personal attacks, harrasment and suicide encitement are the context of above post and the bill being passed in Parliament. Well, that's already against the rules of EVE.
Indeed, the question is, where does it become open to interpretation based on how the recipient feels they are being treated?
What some people consider harmless, others might feel is harrasment or bullying.
Hence the OP
I wrote it for an open discussion and peoples opinions on the subject as obviously peoples opinions will vary depending on their own morales :) |
Yendaj
Black Aces
Against ALL Authorities
41
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Posted - 2013.11.05 14:23:00 -
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Lord Razpataz wrote:Oh, you should be careful Yendaj.
Some of your rants might be seen as personal attacks :P
Ditto...... |
Yendaj
Black Aces
Against ALL Authorities
41
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Posted - 2013.11.05 14:29:00 -
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Ifly Uwalk wrote:this is in C+P... why, exactly?
Because C+P is where some of the most extravagant personal attacks, harrasement and bullying occur 
Albeit cloaked in the mystery of pseudo "trolling" and "meme's"...... |
Vol Arm'OOO
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
127
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Posted - 2013.11.05 14:43:00 -
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So I take it that this thread is now about abusing New Zealanders?
An Australian ventriloquist visiting New Zealand walks into a small village and sees a local sitting on his porch patting his dog.
He figures he'll have a little fun, so he says to the Kiwi:
"G'day, mind if I talk to your dog?"
Villager: "The dog doesn't talk, you stupid Aussie."
Ventriloquist: "Hello dog, how's it going mate?"
Dog: "Yeah, doin' all right."
Kiwi: (look of extreme shock)
Ventriloquist: "Is this villager your owner?" (pointing at the villager)
Dog: "Yep"
Ventriloquist: "How does he treat you?"
Dog: "Yeah, real good. He walks me twice a day, feeds me great food
and takes me to the lake once a week to play."
Kiwi: (look of utter disbelief)
Ventriloquist: "Mind if I talk to your horse?"
Kiwi: "Uh, the horse doesn't talk either....I think."
Ventriloquist: "Hey horse, how's it going?"
Horse: "Cool"
Kiwi: (absolutely dumbfounded)
Ventriloquist: "Is this your owner?" (Pointing at the villager)
Horse: "Yep"
Ventriloquist: How does he treat you?
Horse: "Pretty good, thanks for asking. He rides me regularly, brushes me down often and
keeps me in the barn to protect me from the elements."
Kiwi: (total look of amazement)
Ventriloquist: "Mind if I talk to your sheep?"
Kiwi: (in a panic) " Don't believe a word he says, that sheep's a bloody liar.." |
Tetsel
Heretic Army
Heretic Initiative
94
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:04:00 -
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Poor Yendaj, we are so pleased that now your sheep country protect yourself from those bad internet people !
I wonder what makes people so angry at you that they feel in need of bullying you on the intraweb...
Attention Yendaj Bullyer: DO NOT step into New Zeawhatland or you will be grounded by the sheep police !
Meeeeeh |
Yendaj
Black Aces
Against ALL Authorities
41
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:16:00 -
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Tetsel wrote:Poor Yendaj, we are so pleased that now your sheep country protect yourself from those bad internet people ! I wonder what makes people so angry at you that they feel in need of bullying you on the intraweb... Attention Yendaj Bullyer: DO NOT step into New Zeawhatland or you will be grounded by the sheep police ! Meeeeeh
Always happy to have substantial posters like yourself put in your two cents!
I am pleased you read the OP carefully and decided to grace us with your intelligent views/opinions on how it will effect yourself and other people like you. Literate converse is always welcome in such discussions!
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Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
119
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:30:00 -
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I am sure of three things.
1) No matter what new Zealand does, ill still play the game however I want.
2) People need to stop crying about their feelings. I hate new age hippie wannabees. Someone hurt your feelings? Guess what, it happens.
3) ITS A GAME!! No matter what, THEY CANT ACTUALLY HURT YOU! |
Anslo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
3047
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:46:00 -
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You lose ships. It happens. But when it comes to stalking or flat out verbal abuse or DOXing or some **** like that where it spills out of the game?
Yeah no, not cool brah. |
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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
2803
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:51:00 -
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Yendaj wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:So shooting people spaceships in a game designed to shoot people people spaceships is considered bullying.
Interesting...
People need to take things into context.... However people always fail in that regard. You could take a leaf out of your own book with that comment. 1. This is not about shooting each other in a game aka: General gameplay 2. Personal attacks, harrasment and suicide incitement are the context of above post and the bill being passed in Parliament.
In EvE, general game play includes scamming, strong arming, exploitation, suicide ganking, and what most players consider, harassment of your character as long as its done for in-game goals (profit, system control, market control, etc).
Harassment of your character is NOT the same thing as harassment of your person.
In EvE, personal attacks (call people racial slurs, RL harassment like posting nude photos of their mom, hunting down their Facebook profile and slandering them there, etc) are bannable offenses.
In EvE, inciting someone to commit suicide is a bannable offense. Furthermore, if CCP catches wind of players that suggests they are going to "commit suicide", it is my understand CCP makes sure to contact their local authorities and escalate the situtaiton. Really, CCP should ban anyone that professes such a thing in game, because they obviously are mentally ill-prepared to play this game.
P.S. Cyberbullying is the harassment of your person, in cyberspace. Harassment of your in-game character, especially harassment that doesn't leave the gaming environment (which includes EvE fansites as long as they direct it at your CHARACTER), is NOT cyberbullying. |
Baaldor
In Igne Morim
Easily Excited
160
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:52:00 -
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Yendaj wrote:Ifly Uwalk wrote:this is in C+P... why, exactly? Because C+P is where some of the most extravagant personal attacks, harrasment and bullying occur Albeit cloaked in the mystery of pseudo "trolling" and "meme's"......
Hahaha..no, you must be new.
This C&P you speak of.....no longer exists.
It is now nothing more than Mercs on Craigs list.
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Danalee
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP
The Marmite Collective
207
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Posted - 2013.11.05 16:01:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
In EvE, general game play includes scamming, strong arming, exploitation, suicide ganking, and what most players consider, harassment of your character as long as its done for in-game goals (profit, system control, market control, etc).
Harassment of your character is NOT the same thing as harassment of your person.
In EvE, personal attacks (call people racial slurs, RL harassment like posting nude photos of their mom, hunting down their Facebook profile and slandering them there, etc) are bannable offenses.
In EvE, inciting someone to commit suicide is a bannable offense. Furthermore, if CCP catches wind of players that suggests they are going to "commit suicide", it is my understand CCP makes sure to contact their local authorities and escalate the situtaiton. Really, CCP should ban anyone that professes such a thing in game, because they obviously are mentally ill-prepared to play this game.
P.S. Cyberbullying is the harassment of your person, in cyberspace. Harassment of your in-game character, especially harassment that doesn't leave the gaming environment (which includes EvE fansites as long as they direct it at your CHARACTER), is NOT cyberbullying.
This actually makes sense.
D.
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Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
121
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Posted - 2013.11.05 16:25:00 -
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Anslo wrote:You lose ships. It happens. But when it comes to stalking or flat out verbal abuse or DOXing or some **** like that where it spills out of the game?
Yeah no, not cool brah.
Yeah brah, its not. But therein lies the problem. Its a game. It doesnt "spill out" of the game. If it does, you are taking things way too seriously. If your not having fun, quit. Nobody is being forced to play this.
And if the big bad EVE community is hurting their feelings, hello kitty island adventure is always there...
edit:
Also, anyone who is stupid enough to post their personal information to EVE is exactly that. Stupid. Social media is a plague. Nobody needs to know what your doing at all times of day/night, and if your a ganker/miscreant in EvE, its probly not a good idea to post your home address and contact information, because some people are just batshit crazy. |
Inignort Err
SchmeckTel Group
7
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Posted - 2013.11.05 16:25:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:I'm proud to be an American!
Freedom!
The NSA has read your post and taken note of your pride at being free. |
Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
121
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Posted - 2013.11.05 16:31:00 -
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Inignort Err wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:I'm proud to be an American!
Freedom! The NSA has read your post and taken note of your pride at being free.
lol @ truth |
Anslo
The Scope
Gallente Federation
3047
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Posted - 2013.11.05 17:21:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Yeah brah, its not. But therein lies the problem. Its a game. It doesnt "spill out" of the game. If it does, you are taking things way too seriously. If your not having fun, quit. Nobody is being forced to play this.
Truth. However, it still happens. Thus, should be addressed.
Quote:And if the big bad EVE community is hurting their feelings, hello kitty island adventure is always there...
Hurrhurr i r l33t peeveepee gb2HKO.
Quote:Also, anyone who is stupid enough to post their personal information to EVE is exactly that. Stupid. Social media is a plague. Nobody needs to know what your doing at all times of day/night, and if your a ganker/miscreant in EvE, its probly not a good idea to post your home address and contact information, because some people are just batshit crazy.
The thing is, they don't even NEED to post contact information. One slip, one miss, one person who knows a person, and finding that information is easy if someone is pissed off enough. Not saying that it's a good thing that this happens, but it happens.
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Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
122
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Posted - 2013.11.05 17:29:00 -
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Anslo wrote:
Hurrhurr i r l33t peeveepee gb2HKO.
What?
Never said I was leet pvp... I am assuming thats what your trying to convey there. Im not "leet". I am relatively new to the game and enjoy quite a few different aspects of it. None of that changes the fact that people should not get upset over a game. So yes, if EVE is too harsh, find a new game. |
Baaldor
In Igne Morim
Easily Excited
161
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Posted - 2013.11.05 17:36:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Anslo wrote:
Hurrhurr i r l33t peeveepee gb2HKO.
What? Never said I was leet pvp... I am assuming thats what your trying to convey there. Im not "leet". I am relatively new to the game and enjoy quite a few different aspects of it. None of that changes the fact that people should not get upset over a game. So yes, if EVE is too harsh, find a new game.
You see, they will fall back to that meme crap when they realize you are a threat to them.
meaning, you are able to deal with the established rules and play styles.....they can not, thus this not a fair as they are challenged and unable to adjust. |
Domineren
Rebirth.
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
124
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Posted - 2013.11.05 17:37:00 -
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Marexlovox wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:I'm proud to be an American!
Freedom! Me too.
'Murica **** Yeah! |
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