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Hephaesteus
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Posted - 2006.07.02 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Coryn
Originally by: Hephaesteus Edited by: Hephaesteus on 01/07/2006 09:28:39
ranged
7x 350 T2 rails 1 Arby cruise launcher
Why 350mm Rails? with a Tracking Comp in one of the medium Slots you shouldnt have problems hitting anything larger than a destroyer. I prefer 6x 425mm Prototype (maybe Coils) or T2 (Skill?) and 2x Arby Cruise (for Vengeance i use 2x Siege Launcher, cause a 2.5mio tank raven is hard ^^)
I use the 350's mainly because of fitting restrictions of 425's but also because they are enough to break the tank of Rachen Mysuna in Vengence, uranium ammo. The other thing is I feel comfortable with that particular set up and have soloed loads of missions with it Worlds Collide, Vengence, Guristas Extravaganza etc.
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Bher' Nhagil
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Posted - 2006.07.02 22:34:00 -
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Edited by: Bher'' Nhagil on 02/07/2006 22:34:14 for my blasterthron I use the next set-up, it might not be so darn nice without the T2 guns but it does get the job done for me
High: 7x modal Mega Electron Particle Accelerator I's 1x Heavy Nos (E500)
Mid: 1x fleeting propulsion inhibitor 1x fleeting warp scrambler 1x Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster 1x 100MN MWD
Low: 3x Active hardeners (N-Type's) 1x Energized Adaptive nano Membrane 1x Gyrostabilizer II 2x Large Armor rep's
With my current skills it all fits with some grid and cpu left, so there's still room for improvement. Can't use T2 blasters yet so there still on the TO-get list
And ofcourse as it is with blasterthrons: I use Antimatter for Amme
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Kaeten
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Posted - 2006.07.02 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Bher' Nhagil Edited by: Bher'' Nhagil on 02/07/2006 22:34:14 for my blasterthron I use the next set-up, it might not be so darn nice without the T2 guns but it does get the job done for me
High: 7x modal Mega Electron Particle Accelerator I's 1x Heavy Nos (E500)
Mid: 1x fleeting propulsion inhibitor 1x fleeting warp scrambler 1x Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster 1x 100MN MWD
Low: 3x Active hardeners (N-Type's) 1x Energized Adaptive nano Membrane 1x Gyrostabilizer II 2x Large Armor rep's
With my current skills it all fits with some grid and cpu left, so there's still room for improvement. Can't use T2 blasters yet so there still on the TO-get list
And ofcourse as it is with blasterthrons: I use Antimatter for Amme
can I please 1v1 you
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Constantinee
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Posted - 2006.07.02 23:25:00 -
[154]
well ive changed my setups from time to time and so far the best i am with is.
6 neutron II's With VOID 1x electromech Injector 1x 20 km scrambler 1x x5 webber 1x gist x-type 100mm mwd 1x large accom repper 1x explo 1x kin 1x thermal (all t2) 2x nano II 1x 1600mn tungsten
and when i snipe up
7x 425 II 1x hevay nos (spike ammo) 3x sensor booster II 1x tracking comp II 3x tracking enhancer II 3x mag stab II's
both setups work great id suggest testing them out if u can.
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Mikelio Raijan
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Posted - 2006.07.02 23:26:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Bher' Nhagil Edited by: Bher'' Nhagil on 02/07/2006 22:34:14 for my blasterthron I use the next set-up, it might not be so darn nice without the T2 guns but it does get the job done for me
High: *Stuff*
Mid: *Stuff*
Low: *Stuff* 1x Gyrostabilizer II *Stuff*
With my current skills it all fits with some grid and cpu left, so there's still room for improvement. Can't use T2 blasters yet so there still on the TO-get list
And ofcourse as it is with blasterthrons: I use Antimatter for Amme
Lmao..
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Hephaesteus
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Posted - 2006.07.03 08:11:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Bher' Nhagil Edited by: Bher'' Nhagil on 02/07/2006 22:34:14 for my blasterthron I use the next set-up, it might not be so darn nice without the T2 guns but it does get the job done for me
High: 7x modal Mega Electron Particle Accelerator I's 1x Heavy Nos (E500)
Mid: 1x fleeting propulsion inhibitor 1x fleeting warp scrambler 1x Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster 1x 100MN MWD
Low: 3x Active hardeners (N-Type's) 1x Energized Adaptive nano Membrane 1x Gyrostabilizer II 2x Large Armor rep's
With my current skills it all fits with some grid and cpu left, so there's still room for improvement. Can't use T2 blasters yet so there still on the TO-get list
And ofcourse as it is with blasterthrons: I use Antimatter for Amme
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aquontium
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Posted - 2006.07.06 03:06:00 -
[157]
This might sound stupid but my current setup is:
7 x Guns 1 x Heavy 'Named' Nos
4 x Eutectic Cap Rechargers
1 x Large 'Accommodation' I Vestment Reconstructor 4 x Active Hardeners 1 x Internal Force Field Array I 1 x True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane.
With armour comp skills up to 2, typical resists would be 74.11/41.76/86.43/86.43 against serps. What're the most effective ways to improve this *before* getting Core-X hardeners and a Navy Mega (with the extra low slot for an Officer's Nano Membrane)
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Hex Nexus
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Posted - 2006.07.06 23:54:00 -
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Okay folks, I really need help... I am sooooo tired of getting my rearend handed to me. I love this game and I will be here night after night, but I have been playing for a little over half a year and I have lost probably 20+ ships of all shapes and sizes. Yes, I have more balls than brains I suppose...
Here is my first draft on Megathron fittings. I don't know if it will fit and I don't know if I have the skills, but at this point its just planning not fitting. Your input and wisdom is greatly appreciated. Thanks!
High 8 slots
4ea 350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun Large 'Notos' Explosive Charge I Large 'Vehemence' I Shockwave Charge Large YF-12a Smartbomb Small Tractor Beam I
Med 4 slots
Eutectic I Capacitor Charge Array 100MN Afterburner II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Tracking Computer II
Low 7 slots
2ea Power Diagnostic System II 'Refuge' Adaptive Nano Plating I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II F85 Peripheral Damage System I Large Armor Repairer II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Thoughts? --
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The Gate
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Posted - 2006.07.07 01:22:00 -
[159]
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Synapse Archae
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Posted - 2006.07.07 01:51:00 -
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Edited by: Synapse Archae on 07/07/2006 01:51:25
Originally by: Hex Nexus Okay folks, I really need help... I am sooooo tired of getting my rearend handed to me. I love this game and I will be here night after night, but I have been playing for a little over half a year and I have lost probably 20+ ships of all shapes and sizes. Yes, I have more balls than brains I suppose...
Here is my first draft on Megathron fittings. I don't know if it will fit and I don't know if I have the skills, but at this point its just planning not fitting. Your input and wisdom is greatly appreciated. Thanks!
High 8 slots
4ea 350mm Prototype I Gauss Gun Large 'Notos' Explosive Charge I Large 'Vehemence' I Shockwave Charge Large YF-12a Smartbomb Small Tractor Beam I
Med 4 slots
Eutectic I Capacitor Charge Array 100MN Afterburner II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II Tracking Computer II
Low 7 slots
2ea Power Diagnostic System II 'Refuge' Adaptive Nano Plating I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II F85 Peripheral Damage System I Large Armor Repairer II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Thoughts?
hex youre going to lose that ship faster than you would lose a navitas. The 350s will give you weaksauce for dammage, use blasters or 425 rails. The mids are completely broken: use the MWD or the AB but never both. The tank has no direction to it, and is going to have weak resists and only so-so repair with 1 large repairer. Not that you would have any cap left, running 3 large smartbombs.
Put some DIRECTION in it. Looks like youre trying to compromise on everything and it just makes the ship weak. Particularly the tank. If you use EAN IIs, use at minimum 2, more likely 3, or an active armor tank would give you much better resists.
Also I bet your skills arent up for EANIIs. You need the armor tank specialist skills (Kinetic Armor Compensation etc) maxed in order for EANIIs to really come out on top vs active hardeners. lvl 4 on them you might be able to pull it, but my guess is with your skills they would be much weaker.
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Hex Nexus
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Posted - 2006.07.07 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Synapse Archae Put some DIRECTION in it. Looks like youre trying to compromise on everything and it just makes the ship weak.
Thanks for the response, I appreciate the honesty and your time. I am headed back to the drawing board.
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Eclipsen413
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Posted - 2006.07.07 23:05:00 -
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My current t1 pvp setup highs
7x Ion Blaster cannons 1x Heavy nos Mids
1x 100mn AB II 1x webber 2x cap recharger Lows 2x large vestmant repairers 1x Co proc II 4x hardners
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Posted - 2006.07.08 23:13:00 -
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7 Ion Blaster Cannon T2. Loaded with Void.
1 Heavy Electrochemical 1 Quad mwd 1 Fleeting web 1 Faint scrambler
1 large t2 armor repair 2 Energized adaptive nano t2. 1 Internal Force field Array I 1 Plate 1600mm Rolled 2 Magnetic Field Stab.
T2 Ogre's.
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ArkulA
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.25 07:36:00 -
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my fitt for 1 vs 1 pvp, this fitt is make for almost all ennemy
7 electron blacter cannon II 1 heavy diminishing
100mwd 1 web scrambl 7.5 large capacitor booster (charge 800)
2 large armor named 3 n-type hardener magnetic field II 1 backup array magnetometric
Ogre II
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this fitt dont do as many damage as with neutron II but it's broader of use, ang against any ennemy 1 eccm backup array!!! if you engage scorpion, it's seems this item can save your life.... 2 large armor named instead tech 2 cause no more CPU for backup array
I didn't see anybody speaking about this item ... or everybody play in gank??...
what do you think about my fitt?
(Sorry for my bad english)
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ArkulA
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.27 12:25:00 -
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Edited by: ArkulA on 27/07/2006 12:59:29 Sorry, i saw after Tadis talk about back-up array, i'm felling less alone at use this item.
Originally by: Tadis Could even add a back-up array if you find yourself getting jammed a lot.
And i see more people want to use Neutron blaster with CPU... but i think is bad idea. Look that DPS with QuickFit (i don't use drone, and i use VOID L for the calcul for the two Fitt)
7 Electron blaster cannon II + 1 Magnetic Field II (in low slot instead of CPU) : 474.05
7 Neutron Blaster Cannon II + 1 CPU (instead of Magnetic field II) : 440.796
So i prefer use Electron Blaster and economise CPU to use Magnetic field II.... +10% damage and +10% ROF ... it's near than +20% damage
Look here for my ship fitting.
HIGH-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~~ - [1207 | 35] Electron Blaster Cannon II [200xVoid L] - [1207 | 35] Electron Blaster Cannon II [200xVoid L] - [1207 | 35] Electron Blaster Cannon II [200xVoid L] - [1207 | 35] Electron Blaster Cannon II [200xVoid L] - [1207 | 35] Electron Blaster Cannon II [200xVoid L] - [1207 | 35] Electron Blaster Cannon II [200xVoid L] - [1207 | 35] Electron Blaster Cannon II [200xVoid L] - [2000 | 40] Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I
MED-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~~ - [1250 | 75] Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets - [ 1 | 25] J5b Phased Prototype Warp Inhibitor I - [ 1 | 20] 'Langour' Drive Disruptor I - [1750 | 40] Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I [4xCap Booster 800]
LOW-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~~ - [2000 | 46] Large 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I - [2000 | 46] Large 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I - [ 1 | 32] N-Type Explosive Hardener I - [ 1 | 32] N-Type Kinetic Hardener I - [ 1 | 32] N-Type Thermic Hardener I - [ 1 | 16] Warded Magnetometric Backup Cluster I - [ 1 | 30] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
DRONE BAY : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - Ogre II (Heavy Attack Drone) - Ogre II (Heavy Attack Drone) - Ogre II (Heavy Attack Drone) - Ogre II (Heavy Attack Drone) - Ogre II (Heavy Attack Drone)
Signature Resolution = 400.0 m Trackingspeed / Accuracy = 0.041 rad/sec Optimal Range = 2016.0 m Rate of fire = 3.04 activation cost = 7.14 Energy Signature Resolution = 400.0 m Trackingspeed / Accuracy = 0.041 rad/sec Optimal Range = 2016.0 m Rate of fire = 3.04
==> 703.6 DPS <==
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Jade Sevine
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Posted - 2006.08.03 02:44:00 -
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megathron with rail make me sad (not saying it suck, i just dont like it) .... gladly the new rail boat for caldari is coming out in kali ...
my current setup:
HI:
x6 anode electron blaster cannon (2nd best named) x2 heavy dimishing power system drain (best named)
MED:
x1 named 100mn MWD x1 x5 prototype (2nd best named webber) x1 20km scrambler x1 heavy electrochemical cap injector (best named)
LOW:
x2 Large "Accomodation" Armor repper (best named) x1 mag stab II x1 n-type EXP hardener x1 magetic plating II x1 thermic plateing II x1 energized adaptive nano membrane II
with decent skills, resist will be above 60% all round resist
my complete setup for a blasterthron would be
HI:
x6 electron blaster cannon IIs (void and null) x2 heavy dimishing power system drain
MED:
x1 gist 100mn MWD x1 domination scrambler (2pts 11km) x1 domination webber (15km 90%) x1 heavy electrochemical cap injector
LOW:
x2 large "accomodation" repper (it'll be nice to get sum faction here) x1 mag stab II x1 dark blood exp hardener (55% when active) x1 dark blood magnetic plating (30% passive) x1 dark blood thermic plating (30% passive) x1 dark blood energized adaptive nano membrane (40% passive)
nice tank and decent dmg, what more can u ask for? with the completed setup i hav, i'll be having 75% all round resist with all mechanic skill to lvl 4 at least, and 800ish dps from t2 electrons
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Bloodst0ne
The Priory
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Posted - 2006.08.03 02:53:00 -
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7 wcs, lots and lots of mining drones, and of course a structure tank.
on a serious note: 7 electrons, hvy nos mwd, 20km scram, web, cap injector with 800's
3 active hardeners, large rep, 2 ener. adap. nanos, 1 magnetic field stab.
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Betonela
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2006.08.07 20:10:00 -
[168]
any fit so make solo a lvl 5 complex ? thx
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Marcus Alkhaar
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.08.07 20:38:00 -
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Rail setup:
7x 425mm II 1x Offline small remote rep
1x Sensor booster II 1x ECCM 1x ECM/20km scram 1x ECM/medium injector
3x 1600mm rolled tungsten 1x Damage control 1x Med "acco" rep (repping after battle) 2x Mag stab II
Blaster setup:
7x Ion blaster II
1x 100mn MWD II 1x Fleet web 1x Faint scram 1x Heavy injector
3x 1600mm plates 2x EANM II 1x damage control 1x Large armor rep II
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Tradingjoe
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Posted - 2006.08.14 20:42:00 -
[170]
PVE 0.0 ratting Mega 5*Ion blaster cannonII 2*Neutron blaster cannon II 1*heavy diminishing power system drain
3*cap recharger II's 1*Lif rocket boosters
3-N type membrane I's 1-cap power relay I 1-large armor rep II 1-1600 RRTP 1-mag stab II
I can just fit this with my current/almost done skills.
Any input would be appreciated to improve this. I've been using a dominix primarily and am about to get t2 large blasters.
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xenodia
Gallente Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2006.08.14 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Durham Elysion I tried to fit a mega on sisi with blasters, 1 named lar, web, Gyro stabs, 4x passive hardners (angel spec.) and an 100mn AB II. Rest cap chargeres. Could tank single BS only. If two BS came up I was shredded. This with 2mil SP excl. learning. Whats up?
Come back when you have a few mil more skillpoints at least. Thats whats up. Also, passive hardeners dont work unless youve got the compensation skills to at least lvl 4. And a single rep tank doesnt work without eiter A) using some armor plates or B) really good tanking skills.
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Majenta Mynx
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Posted - 2006.08.15 08:12:00 -
[172]
Gank:
7x Neutron Blaster Cannon II
1x 100MN Microwarpdrive II 1x Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I 1x Faint Warp Prohibitor I 1x Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster
1x Medium Armor Repairer II 2x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1x Internal Force Field Array I 3x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Semi Gank/Tank
7x Ion Blaster Cannon II
1x 100MN Microwarpdrive II 1x Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I 1x Faint Warp Prohibitor I 1x Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster
1x Large Armor Repairer II 2x Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1x Internal Force Field Array I 3x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
You can also change the EANM II for 1600mm Tungsten but I prefer it with the EANM II.
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Aegur
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Posted - 2006.08.17 22:59:00 -
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Edited by: Aegur on 17/08/2006 22:59:17 I need some advise on a Mega setup. It'll be used for 0.0 ratting, but so far it takes me too long to break the tank on the bigger stuff (1.8mil BS).
The setup I'm using is based on rails. The reason being that I'm not too keen on having to MWD/AB 40k after killing the first BS towards the next one. If anyone has experience with the triple BS spawns in a blasterthron I'm open to suggestions.
7x 425mm 'Scout' rails
2x F-90 SB 2x Cap Rechargers
1x CPR (local power plant) 3x Tracking Enhancer II 3x Magstab II
Iridum ammo gets me the range I need, AM needs to be too close without a tank.
The above is with Gall BS4 and 2.2mil SP in gunnery on hybrids + supporting skills only.
Thanks.
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Izo Azlion
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.08.17 23:42:00 -
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I would post mine but for the fear that people dont like Veto Yeah yeah, your thinkin "get over yourself" but I cant be too careful now can I?
I will say that it involves resists above 70% across the board, reps like a ******, and still uses 7 Ion's. (Or with T2, 6 Ions, 1 Electron)
Single rep ftl.
Izo Azlion.
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Bobby2006
Gallente Creative Industry Division
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Posted - 2006.08.19 00:32:00 -
[175]
Should i equip it with large turrets or blaster (small range) ?!?
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Omniscient Fury
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Posted - 2006.08.24 12:22:00 -
[176]
Edited by: Omniscient Fury on 24/08/2006 12:25:29 Well, I'll be getting a Megathron early next month (I plan to train the req'd skills before I finish training cruiser 4) and I've been playing around in QuickFit after reading this thread, and this is the sniping setup i've come up with:
Megathron
HIGH SLOTS 425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun 425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun 425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun 425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun 425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun 425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun 425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun
MEDIUM SLOTS F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines Tracking Computer II
LOW SLOTS Tracking Enhancer II Medium 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II N-Type Thermic Membrane I N-Type Kinetic Hardener I Capacitor Power Relay II
I'll be training for the T2 425mms but this is what I plan to use in the meantime... I don't really understand QuickFit, but from what I can tell it would have my optimal at around ~120k with a damage mod of 3.9%. However, it also looks like my best average DPS would be 58? That seems too low to me? Any suggestions/opinions much appreciated. :)
EDIT: Could the low DPS be because I don't actually have those skills, just bypassed it to see if it would fit?
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Torquemanda Corteaz
Gallente Infinite Improbability Inc
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Posted - 2006.08.26 15:44:00 -
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Edited by: Torquemanda Corteaz on 26/08/2006 15:44:53 My PvE setup:
6x 425mm II's with antimatter
4x cap recharger II's
1 LAR II 2 Kinetic II 1 Thermal II 3 Mag stab II
10 valkyrie IIs
Can take anything the guristas can throw at it up here in branch
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hUssmann
Caldari Veto.
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Posted - 2006.08.26 16:03:00 -
[178]
Edited by: hUssmann on 26/08/2006 16:04:20
Originally by: Omniscient Fury Edited by: Omniscient Fury on 24/08/2006 12:30:37 Edited by: Omniscient Fury on 24/08/2006 12:25:29 Well, I'll be getting a Megathron early next month (I plan to train the req'd skills before I finish training cruiser 4) and I've been playing around in QuickFit after reading this thread, and this is the sniping setup i've come up with:
Megathron
HIGH SLOTS 425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun 425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun 425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun 425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun 425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun 425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun 425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun
MEDIUM SLOTS F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines Tracking Computer II
LOW SLOTS Tracking Enhancer II Medium 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II N-Type Thermic Membrane I N-Type Kinetic Hardener I Capacitor Power Relay II
I'll be training for the T2 425mms but this is what I plan to use in the meantime... I don't really understand QuickFit, but from what I can tell it would have my optimal at around ~120k with a damage mod of 3.9%. However, it also looks like my best average DPS would be 58? That seems too low to me? Any suggestions/opinions much appreciated. :)
EDIT: It seems that I had to set skills to required level, which raised my DPS to 70 which still seems low to me?
I HATE quickfit
On a more serious note use 2 sensor boosters and 2 tracking computers, i wouldn't even undock in the thing without 425 II's and a revamp of lows though. ___________________________
Eris, no pink 'Eris woz 'ere 2006' kthx :)
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banannagirl
Minmatar The U-B-H-C
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Posted - 2006.08.27 00:52:00 -
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250 rails prot gauss' or tech two ... ! lg nos ... ! great for the cap .. five med ecm drones ..!
gun extra mods for tracking and what not signal boost and tank to hell with the saved cap .. works a treat .. and your rails will tear anything to pieces pretty much..! or use blasters the same way .. just closer with an mwd
i zuped a rven almost ... forgot to scramble him he was half structure and i was 1/2 to 3/4 armor still .. he he he ..!
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Stems
Gallente Trade Consortium Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.27 02:02:00 -
[180]
Originally by: banannagirl 250 rails prot gauss' or tech two ... ! lg nos ... ! great for the cap .. five med ecm drones ..!
gun extra mods for tracking and what not signal boost and tank to hell with the saved cap .. works a treat .. and your rails will tear anything to pieces pretty much..! or use blasters the same way .. just closer with an mwd
i zuped a rven almost ... forgot to scramble him he was half structure and i was 1/2 to 3/4 armor still .. he he he ..!
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