I'm at work right now. What are normal LP prices for pirate frigates and cruisers?

One question -- the corp mentioned for the lower-cost blueprints is the "Sanctuary Corporation" -- does that refer to the NPC corporation "The Sanctuary," headquartered in X-7OMU, or a different, as-yet unreleased corporation?

I really like these designs. They seem to blend Gallente and Caldari in a perfect symbiosis.

We hope you guys enjoy the new ships, and make sure to keep your eyes peeled following Rubicon, the Sisters of EVE may not be done giving us new toys quite yetGǪ

Hidden Goon swarm buff ;-)

Haha, nicely done with the Osmon stomp. Gotta love it.

One question -- the corp mentioned for the lower-cost blueprints is the "Sanctuary Corporation" -- does that refer to the NPC corporation "The Sanctuary," headquartered in X-7OMU, or a different, as-yet unreleased corporation?

So whos space is The Sanctuary in? I am going to guess Goons, but you never know.

Its going to be worth a lot of money to whoever owns it.

What is hidden about it?

Hidden in terms of that we just found out that the only station that sells them at regular price is in CFC territory... I usually try to keep my tinfoil hat "off", but this one smells of the stinky stink of stink to me.

Yeah, pretty sneaky of CCP to make SoE NPC 0.0 space all those years ago with the foreknowledge that Goonswarm-affiliated alliances would control the surrounding sovereign space when they decided to roll out these new ships.

CCP should probably put this supernatural foresight to better uses...like trying to compete with BF4.

So whos space is The Sanctuary in? I am going to guess Goons, but you never know.

Its going to be worth a lot of money to whoever owns it.

I guess its just natural to wonder how the plans CCP implement tend to benefit goons over most other groups. I think Goons are just crazy lucky :-)

Only the Sanctuary Corporation, who are credited with actually creating the Stratios and Astero, will offer them at the normal pirate faction prices. If you get them from the Sisters of EVE Corporation in high security space get ready for a mark-up of up to 50%.

Does that mean if you purchase from SoE in Low or Null sec, the markup will be less than 50% high-sec markup?

And what does "price" mean? ISK, LP, items, some or all of the above?

Availability in highsec means highsec mission runners will basically cap the price. Figure that cap will be around 900 isk/LP from the highsec offer. If the highest offer is 50% more expensive than the nullsec offer, that doubles the isk/LP from the nullsec offer, so you're looking at 1900-2k isk/LP tops.

By comparison, a Crystal implant gets you about 2900-3200 isk/LP, depending on which one you choose.

It'd be possible for someone heavily farming the nullsec agent to squeeze the highsec guys out of the market, of course, but if they do that they're throwing their own profit away by shrinking their isk/LP factor. They'd need to drive the highsec offer probably down below 500 isk/LP, and of course as soon as they raise prices to cash in, people in highsec can go straight back to farming.

All that adds up to is that this isn't the nullsec cash cow it appears to be. Now if they'd been set exclusive to Sanctuary, well, that would be another matter. I'm sure Dinsdale will be back around shortly to tell us all how CCP will remove the highsec agents in Rubicon 1.1, though.


e: Of course I could be wrong. Sisters launchers manage to hold 2k+ isk/LP despite being available in highsec.

I think the reason for that is that the sisters grind sucks, even in highsec. (Having recently gone through it myself). The level 2 and 3 agents have a strong tendency to send you to lowsec every few missions, and there are very few agents in highsec in general, so you're forced to either risk your ship (and those systems have certainly been camped), or constantly wait your four hour cooldown, until you get to level 4s and can safely return to Osmon.

80k lp for blueprint. Current SiSi stats for SoE cruiser is 120k lp & 30M Isk for blueprint.

Availability in highsec means highsec mission runners will basically cap the price. Figure that cap will be around 900 isk/LP from the highsec offer. If the highest offer is 50% more expensive than the nullsec offer, that doubles the isk/LP from the nullsec offer, so you're looking at 1900-2k isk/LP tops.

By comparison, a Crystal implant gets you about 2900-3200 isk/LP, depending on which one you choose.

It'd be possible for someone heavily farming the nullsec agent to squeeze the highsec guys out of the market, of course, but if they do that they're throwing their own profit away by shrinking their isk/LP factor. They'd need to drive the highsec offer probably down below 500 isk/LP, and of course as soon as they raise prices to cash in, people in highsec can go straight back to farming.

All that adds up to is that this isn't the nullsec cash cow it appears to be. Now if they'd been set exclusive to Sanctuary, well, that would be another matter. I'm sure Dinsdale will be back around shortly to tell us all how CCP will remove the highsec agents in Rubicon 1.1, though.


e: Of course I could be wrong. Sisters launchers manage to hold 2k+ isk/LP despite being available in highsec.

These look very tasty indeed.

Though I'm a tad sad with the graph.

Would have been interesting to see SoE LP vs Caldari Navy or Fed Navy for example.

Is the intention for there to be 2 types of cruiser. One in high and one from null? With slightly different stats? Or is the 2nd kind some sorta giveaway ship?

There is a second variation of the Stratios as per the announcement made here.

I dunno maybe it's just me but frankly that white on the ship looks very untextured to me. Maybe it's the color pallet or something

Just remember that if you bookmark your wrecks and contract them to Pro Synergy, you get to make extra ISK while grinding for LP.

Lanngisi is pretty popular, just make sure you use dock and undock bookmarks (for two reasons: one, for the gankers, and two because of Amarr station pylons obstructing the warp-out to the stargates). Osmon is a kick-out station, be especially sure to use dock and undock bookmarks. Apanake is pretty quiet. Both Lanngisi and Apanake are 0.5 systems, meaning you will generally get higher rewards from missions run there.

Gallente and AMARR? Seriously? Do you guys (CCP) even remember that raising SOE standing LOWERS Amarr standing? To be correct in the lore of the universe it should be Gallente and Minmitar.

Gallente and AMARR? Seriously? Do you guys (CCP) even remember that raising SOE standing LOWERS Amarr standing? To be correct in the lore of the universe it should be Gallente and Minmitar.

I think the reason for that is that the sisters grind sucks, even in highsec. (Having recently gone through it myself). The level 2 and 3 agents have a strong tendency to send you to lowsec every few missions, and there are very few agents in highsec in general, so you're forced to either risk your ship (and those systems have certainly been camped), or constantly wait your four hour cooldown, until you get to level 4s and can safely return to Osmon.

Despite that, I agree in that the majority of LP will come from highsec, and will be the controlling factor in the supply/demand curve. It's just too easy to do 50% more missions in highsec. In general though, even with the changes, SOE will never compete with the Navy factions. Compared to the LP generated by Ichoriya mission runner and Caldari FW, for example, we can expect these to be truly "pirate" prices, and not the next navy drakes.

Edit: Why do these ships cost three times as much as their blueprints? Will they require Tech 2 components and manufacturing skills to compensate?

Wicked!

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This doesnGÇÖt come without a cost though. Only the Sanctuary Corporation, who are credited with actually creating the Stratios and Astero, will offer them at the normal pirate faction prices. If you get them from the Sisters of EVE Corporation in high security space get ready for a mark-up of up to 50%.

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From recent dev blog


Right, "The sanctuary" corporation has only one station in Goons controlled region...
I suggest just give the isk value of the markup to Goons alliance wallet and make the price equal everywhere.

Could you please, at least, transfer couple of stations in 0.0 from other pirate corps to the sanctuary corp to make it
less exclusive.
For example in stain

funny.. I jsut did the whoel grind from zero up to lelve 4's and not a single time they asked me to go low sec.

Lore-wise, not in the case of the Sisters. They're the most faction-agnostic entity in New Eden, and are used to playing middle man to otherwise mortal enemies. Also, check out the "Focused on sustainability and long deployments" section. Rise gave the verisimilitude of these ships quite a bit of thought.

Hmm, well, I split it up between distribution agents (when I was at work), and security agents (at home), and I found that about 20% of my mission offers were in lowsec. Maybe it was just bad luck.

Isn't there supposed to be some kind of downside to the Stratios?

From recent dev blog


Right, "The sanctuary" corporation has only one station in Goons controlled region...
I suggest just give the isk value of the markup to Goons alliance wallet and make the price equal everywhere.

Could you please, at least, transfer couple of stations in 0.0 from other pirate corps to the sanctuary corp to make it
less exclusive.
For example in stain

Lore-wise, not in the case of the Sisters. They're the most faction-agnostic entity in New Eden, and are used to playing middle man to otherwise mortal enemies. Also, check out the "Focused on sustainability and long deployments" section. Rise gave the verisimilitude of these ships quite a bit of thought.

Isn't there supposed to be some kind of downside to the Stratios?

No, they're not. If you grind up SOE standings, your Caldari and Amarr standings will tank. That's not neutral. They may be the closest to neutral, but they are still far from neutral.

Why do Goons get given a 50% discount for these ships? Really? Join GOOONSWARM or pay a 50% tariff to get to enjoy the new ships? No. Just no. 10% at most unless you fix agent distribution first.

As one of my friends put it "you can't access mordu's legion and ORE agents without going through goon space at one point, let alone SOE with this new stuff."


Seriously CCP, if you want to introduce new toys for everyone to play with, introduce them for *everyone*. Not just Goons.

Add in some mission agents for Sisters that don't have the 50% penalty in other under-used areas of nullsec. Go on, prove this game is actually about more than real money trading by using unfitted haulers to drop things in pre-planned pvp, from the super rich coalition that has nothing in-game to play for any more.

New content is great. But new content handed only to the richest of the rich is just insulting to the majority of the playerbase.

No, they're not. If you grind up SOE standings, your Caldari and Amarr standings will tank. That's not neutral. They may be the closest to neutral, but they are still far from neutral.

Explain how a faction who dislikes the Amarr (evidenced by the missions they send you on to pop Amarr ships), and who is disliked by the Amarr (evidenced by the faction standing effects) would build a ship in collusion with the Amarr? It's completely bogus. The excuses of sustainability and long deployments is weak since it sucks with lasers and drones get chewed up and spit out by the NPCs.

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If you really want to go that far you should introduce all new skills for pirate ships, like 'SOE frigate' or 'Angel battleship'.

I like the Standart Command, Armour, Node Drive Fission look on that cruiser ... allthough personally I'd used Shield/War/Sub-Space Pathing Antimatter (in SotS I ...).

Oh and yay for drones AND lasers. Can't wait to get one =)

Isn't there supposed to be some kind of downside to the Stratios?

Just not worth the cost and effort.

Nice flexiblity to different fits. BUT for any given fit they don't really do more than existing T2 ships except a huge number of drone options (salvage and combat). They should do well soloing their designed purpose: pure exploration sites without NPC rat defenders.

However although they have more combat power and way more ready replacement drones - these ship really aren't powerful enough for soloing any but the most basic exploration or combat sites. And I doubt they can handle ghost sites once triggered either from the sound of things. So CCP is overselling and overpricing what -- except for drone capacity -- are just another T2 class ship. But I guess if CCP is just aiming at rare collectables for the EVE OCD ship collector types then they are right on target.


I'll celebrate once CCP gets a clue and takes them out of LP stores or makes the LP stores cost no more than any other cruiser or frigate.