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Sicex
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Posted - 2006.02.10 22:40:00 -
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After destroying my frigate (while I was taking on two BCs) an E.V.I.L-Eye pilot proceeded to take out my pod... by the time the convo request went through, my pod was at half hull.
I asked how much, the pilot asked for 1mil, I said done, he fired. He gave me no time to transfer the funds.
Corps like this are the reason no one pays or even attempts to pay ransoms anymore. You complain about stupid carebears and new players who won't fund your illegal business practices... well E.V.I.L-Eye is the reason.
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RavenL0rd
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Posted - 2006.02.10 22:59:00 -
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If you didn't send him the money that's not really ransom-breaking. Sometimes the pirate has to flee from the scene then he's going to pop you first and in some cases he pops you just as you pay the ransom, but they (usually) refund then
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Jennifae
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Posted - 2006.02.10 23:06:00 -
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yeah, the part where you actually pay and then still get blown up HAS to occur before you can post like this.
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Sicex
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Posted - 2006.02.10 23:11:00 -
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Ah so what you're trying to tell me the moral of the story is... don't bother to pay ransoms because its not going to do me any good anyway.
Okay, sounds like poor pirates to me... Thanks for the info.
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Vendris Saral
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Posted - 2006.02.10 23:13:00 -
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Forgive me... for being somewhat new to the "etiquette" of piracy... but isn't acting as if you are holding someone for ransom, then immediately podding them before they ever have an opportunity to pay it a rather underhanded tactic? I mean, I do thoroughly expect pirates to be underhanded, and completely without honor, so don't get me wrong. However, from my own, admittedly limited perspective, it seems that acting as if you are going to accept a ransom just long enough to pod someone isn't exactly living up to "honor among thieves", to borrow a phrase.
If someone were to attack me, and then halt my own immediate retaliation by asking me for a ransom.. and then, as I'm fumbling around the interface to transfer the money, after I agreed to the terms, said person were to pod me, when I had never attacked them back... I might be inclined to think that the offer of letting me go for a ransom was not actually genuine.
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Tria Trel
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Posted - 2006.02.10 23:21:00 -
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That is breaking ransom in my view and why I do not trust pirates anymore for ransoms. When they convo, I just block and move on.
I had a similar situation with a pirate. He Convo'd, offered a ransom, I said fine sending, and after transferring the isk he podded and laughed and took off. Never again.
I keep my clone up to date, use inexpensive implants, and fly inexpensive ships when ratting in low sec (unless I am with a group).
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Michael Goddard
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Posted - 2006.02.10 23:29:00 -
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Edited by: Michael Goddard on 10/02/2006 23:29:36
There are many pirate corporations who dec and hunt people who go bad on ransoms, primarily because it means a bad name for everyone. Look into contacting someone from Snig gerdly or similar about what occured.
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RavenL0rd
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Posted - 2006.02.10 23:32:00 -
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Edited by: RavenL0rd on 10/02/2006 23:33:27
Maybe it would seem to be a trick to lure you into ceasing fire by offering a ransom but think about it a bit and you'll see it wouldn't be a smart thing to do.
First to make them cease fire you have to stop firing yourself first. Why would anyone bother tocease fire aand all the while tank damage just to blow the victim up anyway. It'd make no sense to do that on purpose.
And usually pirates only ransom when the target is into structure alredy, why the hell would they waste time if they 're just there for the fireworks?
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Vendris Saral
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Posted - 2006.02.10 23:34:00 -
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 Originally by: RavenL0rd
Maybe it would seem to be a trick to lure you into ceasing fire by offering a ransom but think about it a bit and you'll see it wouldn't be a smart thing to do.
Your making a potentially incorrect assumption that the pirate involved was smart, and was doing things that made sense. I tend to not make that initial assumption about people.
*grin*
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John McMiner
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Posted - 2006.02.10 23:35:00 -
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Eff ransoms.
Insure your ship at full, fit with cheap mods for anthing but PvP and if you get ransomed give him to finger, rebuy your ship with the insurance money and be on your way.
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RavenL0rd
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Posted - 2006.02.10 23:39:00 -
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And it just occured to me, you said done and he didn't have his money maybe he thought you meant you're done with negotiating...
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Guardian Alpha
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Posted - 2006.02.10 23:57:00 -
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Sicex next time someone ransoms your pod, especially if you have no implants (or cheap ones), consider pod bumping his ship over and over again. Give him a good solid 'No.' and then activate your self destruct sequence.
Come to think of it, even if you have implants just follow the above. If they already have you down into hull then there is no reason for them to not just fire a single volley to finish you. Pod ransoming to me was always idiotic in the first place, sure the player may have expensive implants but due to the already fragile nature of the situation (scrambling a pod without protection) there is nothing to stop that backstab. Smart pilots shouldn't pay for it because the chance of someone actually releasing a defenceless pod is less likely than someone releasing your ship, only to blow it up, but not being able to get your pod.
Something else I love doing is ejecting from the ship once they get me into hull and then warping my pod off. They aren't ready to lock the pod and I don't get the explosion lag, so it's a free 'get out of jail' card.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.02.11 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: John McMiner
Eff ransoms.
Insure your ship at full, fit with cheap mods for anthing but PvP and if you get ransomed give him to finger, rebuy your ship with the insurance money and be on your way.
Its really quite funny how carebears spend half the day whining about how pirates don't ransom, and the other half whining about how one should never accept ransoms.
And then they wonder why pirates never ransom.
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Balklanac
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Posted - 2006.02.11 00:04:00 -
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No isk changed hands, poor pirating practise if I really thought the OP is posting the whole story.
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Sicex
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Posted - 2006.02.11 00:09:00 -
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Chat logs:
Pilot's name edited out.
EVILeye Pilot > hi
Sicex > o/
Sicex > how much?
EVILeye Pilot > 1m
Sicex > done
**Killed me a millisecond later**
Sicex > ??
EVILeye Pilot > woo[s
EVILeye Pilot > u were 2 late
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RavenL0rd
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Posted - 2006.02.11 00:16:00 -
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Since there were no timestamps there is no way to tell what happened. You may have took too long to decide what to do
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Guardian Alpha
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Posted - 2006.02.11 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: RavenL0rd
Since there were no timestamps there is no way to tell what happened. You may have took too long to decide what to do. That's what his answer suggests
That's BS  The pirate couldn't even type out "whoops" and we expect him to not have fired on purpose? The "whoops" itself means he only saw that she would pay -after- he opened fire. The guy was looking to take out the pod, and thus why he only ransomed for one million isk as a nice bonus.
Sicex, please post the convo logs from your EVE folder so that we can review the timestamps. It sounds like you sent the ISK, he saw the flashing (that's important, hard to miss that flashing icon) icon, and popped you.
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Sicex
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Posted - 2006.02.11 00:31:00 -
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[ 2006.02.10 21:06:18 ] Sicex > o/
[ 2006.02.10 21:06:21 ] Sicex > how much?>
[ 2006.02.10 21:06:29 ] pilot > 1m
[ 2006.02.10 21:06:31 ] Sicex > done
[ 2006.02.10 21:06:41 ] Sicex > ??
[ 2006.02.10 21:06:57 ] pilot > woo[s
[ 2006.02.10 21:07:02 ] pilot > u were 2 late
So in those 10 seconds Im waiting for him and his drones to stop firing at me... then as Vendris mentioned bumbled around with the wallet window in my franctic panic to get this pirate his ISK before a strong wind blows tears my flaming pod apart.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.02.11 00:31:00 -
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Yeah, post the logs with the timestamps and dont doctor them.
It's easy to check
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Guardian Alpha
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Posted - 2006.02.11 00:36:00 -
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Yeah, he either wasn't paying attention (lolling at an online comic instead of watching his wallet) or knew it and dilberataly popped you. I'm going with the latter.
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RavenL0rd
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Posted - 2006.02.11 00:50:00 -
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You're so clueless. Did you even read the first post?
"I asked how much, the pilot asked for 1mil, I said done, he fired. He gave me no time to transfer the funds."
NO MONEY WAS PAID
It is also possible that he had to hurry up with that 2 BCs in him. Anyway, good night, over and out.
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OrangeAfroMan
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Posted - 2006.02.11 01:20:00 -
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Edited by: OrangeAfroMan on 11/02/2006 01:21:09
I doubt that such a "leet" pirate would have much to fear from 2 npc BCs.
Anyway, dont pay ransoms. Just put the money toward a new ship, and if you've already lost your ship then you REALLY shouldnt pay ransoms. And dont use implants. Period.
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Balklanac
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Posted - 2006.02.11 01:34:00 -
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Edited by: Balklanac on 11/02/2006 01:35:48
Its a frequent situation encountering someone while they are taking on NPC ships, the way the post was put I read it as 'while I was fighting two NPC BCs I lost my ship to a pirate that warped in ,whom than proceeded to pod me'.
Its also a frequent backtalk 'Oh you got me while I was tanking all these belt cruisers'.Any person whose has lost something to someone else which they held for one reason or other dear, verbally proceeds to minimise loss in local and embelishes their story but never tell it fully, factually, picking facts and fiction to suit their 'needs'.
edit:oam ;)
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Civic
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Posted - 2006.02.11 01:47:00 -
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i used to ransom people all the time, they usually paid and I let them go, but now a days cuz of pirates that dont honor their word no one even lets me ask, so now i just kill everyones pod and move on :(
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Sayonara
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Posted - 2006.02.11 01:51:00 -
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It looks to me like the pirate just didn't get all his weapons turned off fast enough and then said "whoops, you were too late". Premature e-podulation?
It may have just been an accident. If being evil was really his intention, he would've waited for your 1 million and then blown you up. 
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jimmyjam
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Posted - 2006.02.11 01:54:00 -
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So When Was this Ransom .My Corp Is Small So i Would Remember It.And If It Was One Of MY Corp Mates They Wlll Be Delt With.If I Find Your Story True You Will Be Fully Refunded.
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OrangeAfroMan
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Posted - 2006.02.11 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: Balklanac
Edited by: Balklanac on 11/02/2006 01:35:48
Its a frequent situation encountering someone while they are taking on NPC ships, the way the post was put I read it as 'while I was fighting two NPC BCs I lost my ship to a pirate that warped in ,whom than proceeded to pod me'.
Its also a frequent backtalk 'Oh you got me while I was tanking all these belt cruisers'.Any person whose has lost something to someone else which they held for one reason or other dear, verbally proceeds to minimise loss in local and embelishes their story but never tell it fully, factually, picking facts and fiction to suit their 'needs'.
edit:oam ;)
But when dealing with pirates you rarely have to embelish your story and just tell one side, because chances are the pirates side isnt any better =p
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Balklanac
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Posted - 2006.02.11 02:33:00 -
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Originally by: OrangeAfroMan
Originally by: Balklanac
Edited by: Balklanac on 11/02/2006 01:35:48
Its a frequent situation encountering someone while they are taking on NPC ships, the way the post was put I read it as 'while I was fighting two NPC BCs I lost my ship to a pirate that warped in ,whom than proceeded to pod me'.
Its also a frequent backtalk 'Oh you got me while I was tanking all these belt cruisers'.Any person whose has lost something to someone else which they held for one reason or other dear, verbally proceeds to minimise loss in local and embelishes their story but never tell it fully, factually, picking facts and fiction to suit their 'needs'.
edit:oam ;)
But when dealing with pirates you often have to embelish your story because chances are the pirates just made you look like a noob=P
 with that I can agree
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OrangeAfroMan
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Posted - 2006.02.11 02:49:00 -
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Ouch, very ouch.
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2006.02.11 02:58:00 -
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If no money changed hands it doesn't matter. If he had taken your money and then popped you you would have a case, but he can do whatever he wants if he's got your pod scrammed aslong as he doesn't break his word.
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Slink Grinsdikild
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Posted - 2006.02.11 06:22:00 -
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Like others have said, in the heat of the moment it is easy to confuse 'I'm done' as in 'I'm done with you asshats, bite me' with just plain 'Done'
Remember, even a pod being ransomed is a potential warp-in point for his gang buddies in local.
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Izo Azlion
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Posted - 2006.02.11 11:17:00 -
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FFS, will people start paying ransoms. I fought a Thorax and a Ferox this morning an last night, niether of them wanted to pay a ransom, and niether of them survived.
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Desolatus
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Posted - 2006.02.11 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sicex
[ 2006.02.10 21:06:18 ] Sicex > o/
[ 2006.02.10 21:06:21 ] Sicex > how much?>
[ 2006.02.10 21:06:29 ] pilot > 1m
[ 2006.02.10 21:06:31 ] Sicex > done
[ 2006.02.10 21:06:41 ] Sicex > ??
[ 2006.02.10 21:06:57 ] pilot > woo[s
[ 2006.02.10 21:07:02 ] pilot > u were 2 late
Idiot what kind of fool gets a person who says they will pay a ransom and then pods before the money gets into his hand. Personaly I would have waited 15 seconds gave a final warning and then if I didn't get the money in 10 seconds would have popped the pod. I mean people who pay ransom's are few and far between recently. So for him to go screw free money let's pop him is bad business imo.
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gfldex
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Posted - 2006.02.11 15:14:00 -
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I will quote now from your first post and from your post with that chat log.
Originally by: Sicex
I asked how much, the pilot asked for 1mil, I said done, he fired. He gave me no time to transfer the funds.
[ 2006.02.10 21:06:31 ] Sicex > done
[ 2006.02.10 21:06:41 ] Sicex > ??
As I read this you never paid him but wrote done. So you lie on him and now you come to us to whine about it?
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Celador Nane
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Posted - 2006.02.11 17:39:00 -
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Personally i dont see any problem with breaking ransom agreements, if ur a pirate u could say ur roleplaying an evil player (and evil ppl lie) .... the simple fact is, if u get money out of them, then pop there ship its a double win. But the main point is its just a game and pirate honor dont mean squat..... just take each attack as a new one, and take ur own risks. (but personally i dont ransom, to eagar to pop there ships ) YARR!!!
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Drinky Crow
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Posted - 2006.02.11 20:59:00 -
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Do NOT pay ransoms. Although not all pirates in EVE are griefing idiots, way too many are, and it has only gotten worse over the last month.
Either eject while you still have a ship around you or just blow your own pod up. They want to see you go 'boom'? Then do just that.
If I'm in dangerous space it's MY problem if something bad happens to me. I'm not about to leave my fate in the hands of some boob who may or may not honor ransoms.
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Desolatus
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Posted - 2006.02.11 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Drinky Crow
I'm not about to leave my fate in the hands of some boob who may or may not honor ransoms.
He said boob.
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Drinky Crow
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Posted - 2006.02.12 00:04:00 -
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If I say "boob" again does that make it a pair?
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Gray Carmicheal
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Posted - 2006.02.12 01:39:00 -
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I just wish people would pay ransoms.
I'm usually very generous on my costs. It doesn't take much for me to operate, so I'm usually pretty light on the ransom amount, but only one person has paid.
And I absolutely honor that, I even told the guy I ransomed I'd escort his pod a few jumps after the timer if he'd like. He kindly declined and went his way.
It's also a rule for my corp and any I'm allied with that if you dishonor a ransom, you get podded and the corpse goes to your victim(s). As well as any bounty you had. I may be evil, but I prefer good business. It brings return customers. 
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Kage Getsu
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Posted - 2006.02.12 02:03:00 -
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You should send the money before you said that you did. The guy saw "done" but didn't see your money. You could have been stalling or something. That's why he eliminated you.
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Celador Nane
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Posted - 2006.02.12 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Desolatus
Originally by: Drinky Crow
I'm not about to leave my fate in the hands of some boob who may or may not honor ransoms.
He said boob.
He sure did...... YARR!
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Jhonen Senraedi
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Posted - 2006.02.12 11:22:00 -
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I think,though...i this case,rather than the term done meaning "I have transferred you the money"...I'ts more in the sense of...."How much?...x isk...ok...done" as in done deal...
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Vanecrox
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Posted - 2006.02.12 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Kage Getsu
You should send the money before you said that you did. The guy saw "done" but didn't see your money. You could have been stalling or something. That's why he eliminated you.
Yep. In a ransom there's very little tolerance for people who mess around.
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Twilight Moon
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Posted - 2006.02.12 11:58:00 -
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Dont pay ransoms, when he asks for one, talk back in a foreign language. As he struggles with Babelfish, call in your corp.
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RavenL0rd
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Posted - 2006.02.12 12:00:00 -
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Oh what a great idea... oh wait... it's not
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Alliaanna Dalaii
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Posted - 2006.02.12 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Twilight Moon
Dont pay ransoms, when he asks for one, talk back in a foreign language. As he struggles with Babelfish, call in your corp.
Yes and then the moment they see new jump ins itd popping time... Not the best thought out plan ^
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OrangeAfroMan
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Posted - 2006.02.12 19:05:00 -
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I really dont see any reason to pay ransoms though, at least not for me.
If my ship has been blown and they're ransoming my pod... Well, i dont use implants, my clone is updated always... Whats there to lose?? I mean seriously, why not just put that money towards a new setup instead of giving them that much more???
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Sicex
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Posted - 2006.02.12 21:46:00 -
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As a a month old character the 1 million ISK ransom was worth paying to save my 100 million ISK implants that expedited my learning.
The 'done' in the convo was said immediately after he gave me a number and it was mutually understood that it was referring to agreement on the amount for the ransom, not the completion of the transaction.
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OrangeAfroMan
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Posted - 2006.02.12 21:56:00 -
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Dont use implants.
Period.
Unless your char is like 3 years old.
Still iffy.
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Dr WH0
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Posted - 2006.02.18 01:31:00 -
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Edited by: Dr WH0 on 18/02/2006 01:33:12
Originally by: Guardian Alpha
Something else I love doing is ejecting from the ship once they get me into hull and then warping my pod off. They aren't ready to lock the pod and I don't get the explosion lag, so it's a free 'get out of jail' card.
LOL and they get a free ship, with mods intact, and will probs still hunt u down coz pods only go so fast. SO, u get podded and he gets a free ship, fool
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Nato Xemus
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Posted - 2006.02.23 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Dr WH0
Edited by: Dr WH0 on 18/02/2006 01:33:12
Originally by: Guardian Alpha
Something else I love doing is ejecting from the ship once they get me into hull and then warping my pod off. They aren't ready to lock the pod and I don't get the explosion lag, so it's a free 'get out of jail' card.
LOL and they get a free ship, with mods intact, and will probs still hunt u down coz pods only go so fast. SO, u get podded and he gets a free ship, fool
you forgetting about the aggro timer?
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Twilight Moon
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Posted - 2006.02.23 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
Originally by: Twilight Moon
Dont pay ransoms, when he asks for one, talk back in a foreign language. As he struggles with Babelfish, call in your corp.
Yes and then the moment they see new jump ins itd popping time... Not the best thought out plan ^
Ahh....but I never intend to pay a ransom in the first place, and my corp might just get away with scrambling and popping the pirate. 
I'm not bothered losing a ship or a pod, neither of them have much value in them with me I'm afraid to say. All cheap-o stuff that does the job it needs to, and no implants. Best way to play, no aggrivation if you die.
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Archilies
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Posted - 2006.02.24 03:48:00 -
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moral of the story: dnt pay ransoms,
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Jaddor
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Posted - 2006.02.24 06:09:00 -
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Only victims pay ransom.
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Golden Helmet
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Posted - 2006.02.24 06:33:00 -
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Some pirates honor ransoms, some don't. If your gonna pay a ransom, just gotta take that chance. I've only paid one ransom (was earlier), and that was because i was given a good fight, wasnt any smack involved.... and while my pod was in the process of slowly being killed i realized my clone was in 1.0 space, and my sec status is -3.8, so yea
but the pirate that ransomed me (well, i offered the ransom, but beats being in 1.0 space w\ my sec status) honored his deal and let me go after i deposited the cash. went on my merry way to purchase a shuttle to get the heck out. And i myself have honored my end of the pod ransom (was a 30 day old player, really not worth the sec hit). So not all pirates are gonna go back on their deal. If any do, name and shame on the forums, if i see 'em i'll kill them or die trying 
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Anti AntiPirate
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Posted - 2006.02.24 08:27:00 -
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While I *always* honor ransoms, the mortality rate for those who don't accept my convos is 100%. And the pod. I *always* pod someone who cancels my convo. Furthermore, the more smacktalk, the more I do repeat business on their ships.
But people who are polite I have respect for, and usually won't pirate twice. At least not in the same week ;)
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Lexor SLice
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Posted - 2006.02.24 15:05:00 -
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care to tell me how you managed to get your POD locked down by two BC'S
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