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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1646
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Posted - 2013.11.06 16:14:00 -
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Sarah Flynt wrote:Zaryn Nyruc wrote: I had been scammed. There are many scams in EVE but this wasn't one. Let me clear some things up for you: There are no BPOs (Blue Print Original with infinite runs) for Navy ships. Either you buy the assembled ship from the LP-Store or you buy a 1-run BPC from it. You bought the latter one from a player who was too lazy to build it himself, even at a price that should make you a nice profit; not nearly as high as you thought, as you probably mixed the BPC up with a regular Raven BPO (that's a different ship!). So let's run the numbers: With Production Efficiency V and current Jita sell prices you need minerals for roughly 164 mil ISK. Counting in the BPC for 375 mil you have a total of 539 mil. Current sell price for the ship in Jita is around 581 mil, so that's a profit of 42 mil before taxes. Not too bad if you ask me. Seeing that she show info'd the blueprint, viewed it on market, then saw a 935m isk buy order (which happens to be the buy order in jita for a Raven BPO) this certainly sounds like a scam to me, just not the scam he though it was. This was a Raven BPC being sold as a Raven Navy Issue BPC. As he didn't know about BPC/BPO, he show info'd it, then looked at the market price, which lead him to believe this item was worth 935m. The scammer wasn't targeting him specifically, they were trying to make a Raven BPC look a like a RNI BPC at a reasonable price, but it was a scam nonetheless. He has maybe a couple of m in a Raven BPC. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
4674
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Posted - 2013.11.06 16:17:00 -
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Tips: Read carefully. Join a real corp with knowledgeable people in it. Stop talking to "experts" in noob channels. Don't ever post an "I'm quitting the game" thread in GD.
Welcome to EVE
P.S. paying fair market value for an item is not a scam. |
Sarah Flynt
Everyshore Research
6
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Posted - 2013.11.06 16:19:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:The scammer wasn't targeting him specifically, they were trying to make a Raven BPC look a like a RNI BPC at a reasonable price, but it was a scam nonetheless. He has maybe a couple of m in a Raven BPC. Yes, I just saw that as well (see the edit of my post). My mistake for not looking up his contract history before posting. Thanks Lucas |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1646
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Posted - 2013.11.06 16:20:00 -
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Sarah Flynt wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:The scammer wasn't targeting him specifically, they were trying to make a Raven BPC look a like a RNI BPC at a reasonable price, but it was a scam nonetheless. He has maybe a couple of m in a Raven BPC. Yes, I just saw that as well (see the edit of my post). My mistake for not looking up his contract history before posting. Thanks Lucas :D I must have been posting while you were editing.
Oh, and I still don;t forgive you for killing me. |
Mhax Arthie
164
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Posted - 2013.11.06 16:21:00 -
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Andski wrote:Also if it's a raven navy issue blueprint copy it's not exactly worthless This!
Zaryn Nyruc, if that's really a RNI bpc... just send me a mail ingame and link that bpc (only the link, no wall of text pls!) and we may do some nice business. |
Lazy Eagle
FUITA
18
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Posted - 2013.11.06 16:27:00 -
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Op, i was going to troll, but i dont even know where to start.
So instead i will say this, do you want to pvp? There are many corps that will take in newbros with almost no SP.
1)Get a rifter 2)fit a point (scram os disruptor) 3)fit a web 4)join :pirate: corp 5)???? 6)Profit!!
....seriously, you dont even need ammo or guns, they pretty much just want you to point and or die trying.
I did lie a bit about profit, you will still be spacepoor, but you will have corpies now who have it in their better interests to train you how to support yourself. |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
607
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Posted - 2013.11.06 16:27:00 -
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I actually managed to draw something intelligible out of this wall-of-text. You didn't get scammed, you mouth-breather. The finished product will sell for 700mil.
If you're seriously going to quit, contract me all your belongings for 0 ISK and biomass. I will put that Navy Raven BPC to good use. |
Lazy Eagle
FUITA
18
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Posted - 2013.11.06 16:29:00 -
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Edit* removed derp post |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1646
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Posted - 2013.11.06 16:42:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:I actually managed to draw something intelligible out of this wall-of-text. You didn't get scammed, you mouth-breather. The finished product will sell for 700mil. If you're seriously going to quit, contract me all your belongings for 0 ISK and biomass. I will put that Navy Raven BPC to good use. Congratulations for not reading several posts in this thread. If he does contract it to you, enjoy your Raven BPC. |
Matthew97
Dat Tax
227
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Posted - 2013.11.06 16:43:00 -
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Quote:I see in local chat a contract for a raven navy issue blueprint. i click the contract and see the item is raven navy issue blueprint copy. I hopped in rookie chat, explained my situation, linked my item, and then found out it was a copy. Of an original. Worthless. Only good for one run and unsaleable on the market.
So first you checked and found out was a copy
Paid for it anyway
Realized you made a stupid mistake when it wouldn't sell
Went to rookie chat to cry about how you got scammed but apparently didn't realize
Got told it was a copy anyway
Came to forum expecting people to feel bad for you
WOW Is that way ----> |
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Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
202
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Posted - 2013.11.06 16:56:00 -
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Zaryn Nyruc wrote: I find my self docked in jita.
Zaryn Nyruc wrote: I stalked the auction houses.
Zaryn Nyruc wrote:But I found mostly these Caldari corps I was going through had very few online and those online players would just dock all day.
I found the problem you were having.
Have a nice day. |
Richard Ramlrez
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2013.11.06 17:01:00 -
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One less ganker. Good riddance. I'm starting to like scammers now. |
Seven Koskanaiken
Sons Of Saints Circle-Of-Two
438
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Posted - 2013.11.06 17:04:00 -
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And if it had worked? If the guy did make a mistake and you did get rich from it you'd be saying what right now? If the contract maker came in gd crying tears and asking for money back you be doing what right now?
Yeah, thought so.
Greedy greedy greedy. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
7013
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Posted - 2013.11.06 17:08:00 -
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Before you go....
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4815
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Posted - 2013.11.06 17:08:00 -
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Bottom line, however it played out, you'd likely have avoided the situation if you were in an active corp with people you feel comfortable asking questions like this.
The trickiest, and most important, thing that you can do in EVE is figuring out who you can trust (and how far you can trust them).
EVE Uni is a good place to start, as has been pointed out.
Or you can take some time and find a corp on your own.
Either way, if you have chosen wisely, you'll have a huge leg up in this game. Most players (and Devs for that matter) don't understand all aspects of this game... it's simply too huge and complex. In a good group of players the chances of getting the correct info from one of them goes up exponentially.
I hope you stick with the game, it sounds like you have potential. Keep in mind that even experienced players, whether they admit it or not, sometimes overlook the obvious and make similar mistakes. |
Deviant X
Sky Boxers Northern Associates.
38
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Posted - 2013.11.06 17:09:00 -
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Eve mechanics take a while to learn.
If you had asked for a price check on a BPC, you would have gotten an answer right away that you can't put it on the market.
It's part of the learning curve. I also agree that your 'want' for it to be true is what ultimately lead to you pulling the trigger regarding the decision to purchase the BPC.
You could slowly save up and buy/refine materials to build and sell the ship. It's a small speed bump in the great scheme of things.
Eve is a dark, harsh universe. Consider it a lesson in preparation and human nature.
If you stay, I wish you better fortune. If you leave, I wish you well. |
Liam Li
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
73
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Posted - 2013.11.06 17:10:00 -
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Zaryn Nyruc wrote:Then i see the contract is for 370 million ISK. My heart jumps. I could buy this and make a triple profit. but what about the seller? Surely he made and error and mistyped the info. i try to talk to him in local. No good, chat's moving to fast. I try to open a convo to let him know. Again no luck, he rejects it. With money signs in my eyes and the chachings of cash registers and gold coins in my ears, I purchase the blue print. But not before double, then triple checking that this particular item will sell for 935 million ISK. i googled the item, I found posts about selling ti for various prices, all of them high prices. I thought I had hit jack pot. I accepted the contract, got my item, and then, to my dismay, was unable to sell it. What had happened? Was my client bugged? I reopened the client. No difference. I hopped in rookie chat, explained my situation, linked my item, and then found out it was a copy. Of an original. Worthless. Only good for one run and unsaleable on the market.
That's what you get for being greedy. |
Phoenix Jones
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
217
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Posted - 2013.11.06 17:12:00 -
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Zaryn Nyruc wrote: I fell in love with this game. I really did. The butterfly effect commercial is what got me into Eve Online. It gave me a sense of epic purpose and really made me want to help any other players I came across. And I didn't mind losing ships to better skilled players or eve gate camps, because I was having fun and experiencing the game. I even liked the idea of scamming corporations through espionage being allowed, i thought it was cool, and still do. I expected the game to be difficult to both get into and to play even after learning a lot, and it was and is, and I like the challenge to better my skills as a pilot and learn to fly smart and pick my fights and smell danger a star system away. i thought I could do anything and be anything I wanted in the great universe! I'm no stranger to MMOs or trolls or scams. I began playing MMOs when I was ten years old. I know every game has a group of bad apples. But I am a resilient person and could always find my way through the bad apples and find a few good ones. For the last month it been nothing but one bad experience with people after another. I tried to help everyone I met, only to come up with the short end of the stick 9 times out of 10.But I pressed on, always looking forward and I kept hoping I would come across a group of players who shared my interests and whom I could play with. I kept having bad experiences though. There were still good ones, like my introduction to Faction Warfare.
When i got into FW I was happy to finally find a way to get some pvp action cooperatively and competitively. But I found mostly these FW corps I was going through had very few online and those online players would jsut dock all day. Then I started losing more ships than my funds could sustain, so I purchased a PLEX and sold it on the market and bought a whole fleet of cheap ships. This left me sitting around 300 million ISK. After making some sales and running tons of missions and a few plexes I was sitting around 400 million. I was left thinking how could I make more money? I stalked the auction houses and market features of MMOs quite a bit and burned myself out on it, so that was really out of the question unless I found a GREAT deal.
Fast forward a week. I find my self docked in jita preparing to purchase and transport 15 cheap kestrels and their fittings to a distant star system in a far off region, with the intent of sustaining a week or two at least of vicious fighting against the gallente and minmatar scum. I see in local chat a contract for a raven navy issue blueprint. i click the contract and see the item is raven navy issue blueprint copy. Right clicking the item I show info and view it's market details. 935mil to sell this bad boy!!! Then i see the contract is for 370 million ISK. My heart jumps. I could buy this and make a triple profit. but what about the seller? Surely he made and error and mistyped the info. i try to talk to him in local. No good, chat's moving to fast. I try to open a convo to let him know. Again no luck, he rejects it. With money signs in my eyes and the chachings of cash registers and gold coins in my ears, I purchase the blue print. But not before double, then triple checking that this particular item will sell for 935 million ISK. i googled the item, I found posts about selling ti for various prices, all of them high prices. I thought I had hit jack pot. I accepted the contract, got my item, and then, to my dismay, was unable to sell it. What had happened? Was my client bugged? I reopened the client. No difference. I hopped in rookie chat, explained my situation, linked my item, and then found out it was a copy. Of an original. Worthless. Only good for one run and unsaleable on the market.
I had been scammed. Essentially losing a month's worth of isk earned and 15 dollars on top of that. I had been scammed. it was not an epic, months long act of espionage. It was not daring or exciting. There was no adrenaline pumping. It was not what I had been led to believe scamming was in this particular MMO. It was just another ****** experience with another player. Sure this game is difficult to start up, it can be overwhelming with so much freedom and some many things to do, but that freedom of choice is also exhilarating and, I think, refreshing compared to other MMOs. I chose to use this freedom to help others as much as I could. And others use this freedom to help themselves. But that scam was not the final bad experience. The straw that broke the camel's back, is when I asked in Rookie Chat what the hell was going, I was the bad guy for wanting to know what, if anything, could be done to get my money back. I was the stupid noob that should have paid attention and should have known all about blueprints. I was the ******* idiot that should be banned for wanting retribution for being scammed. I was the moron who should kill himself for not using my brain. My entire time playing this game I have been the noob, the idiot, the moron, and the bad guy. All because I could not see the one fault with this game: The people who play it. Part of me wants to push on and move past all this because the game itself is so fantastic, but a larger part of me just wants to call it quits and find a different game to play.
I've seen more than a few threads about how to get new players to keep playing after their first weeks, and have seen chats in game go on and on and on about it. People suggest add even more tutorials, make the game easier for newbs, give newbs 'care packages', and more that i cannot recall off the top of my head right now. The thing that would really make me stay though, is if it were a hell of a lot easier to find like minded players. As in, players who aren't narcissistic or sociopathic or outright lying douches. I will play until my Pilot's License expires, and then I think I'm done. Thanks for reading my story.
-Z
Could you send me your stuff? |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
1147
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Posted - 2013.11.06 17:13:00 -
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You can do starter "epic" missions 3 times for each of 4 nations, 30 millions per run, 300+ millions total.
Or as CCP expect - buy GTC from them. |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
525
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Posted - 2013.11.06 17:15:00 -
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ITT someone thinks he has ripped off someone else by overpricing goods...finds out he is not the smartest tool in that particular transaction, calls the other guy the bad guy.
" With money signs in my eyes and the chachings of cash registers and gold coins in my ears,"
That was where you went wrong.
You thought you were screwing the other guy over....this happens to people playing pool, and poker all the time. |
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Seven Koskanaiken
Sons Of Saints Circle-Of-Two
439
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Posted - 2013.11.06 17:16:00 -
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This is why I support scammers including margin trade scammers. The ghouls like OP looking out for people who make "mistakes" maybe entering a number wrong because they got carpel tunnel or bad at maths, and these dollar sign eyed vultures swoop down and take advantage. Then when it backfires they claim THEY are the victim. It's ghoulish and makes my skin crawl.
Scammers prey on those with greed and laziness, they are the predators of the predators and I support them. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3233
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Posted - 2013.11.06 17:16:00 -
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Liam Li wrote:Zaryn Nyruc wrote:Then i see the contract is for 370 million ISK. My heart jumps. I could buy this and make a triple profit. but what about the seller? Surely he made and error and mistyped the info. i try to talk to him in local. No good, chat's moving to fast. I try to open a convo to let him know. Again no luck, he rejects it. With money signs in my eyes and the chachings of cash registers and gold coins in my ears, I purchase the blue print. But not before double, then triple checking that this particular item will sell for 935 million ISK. i googled the item, I found posts about selling ti for various prices, all of them high prices. I thought I had hit jack pot. I accepted the contract, got my item, and then, to my dismay, was unable to sell it. What had happened? Was my client bugged? I reopened the client. No difference. I hopped in rookie chat, explained my situation, linked my item, and then found out it was a copy. Of an original. Worthless. Only good for one run and unsaleable on the market.
That's what you get for being greedy.
That's the theme of every "I'm leaving because of scam" thread. Someone got greedy and thought they were about to do it big, "get got" in stead and now it's the game's fault instead of there's. Many people try to externalize things that are actually internal faults. I guess it makes them feel better.
Oddly enough it happens the same way when people make themselves targets in high sec by hauling incredibly expensive things in a game with SHIP SCANNERS. And not once does it cross thier minds to ask "why would ccp put ship scanners in a game like this" before they get ganked. |
Speedkermit Damo
Demonic Retribution
122
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Posted - 2013.11.06 17:21:00 -
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Unfortunately, your'e now going ro discover that the forums are generally populated by an even bigger bunch of unsympathetic tossers, and internet tough-guys.
Stick with it though, sounds like you've beeen rather unlucky so far. When I started I was fortunate to be helped and given good advice by a lot of people. Even the first time I was ganked, the guy responsible sent me a bunch of isk afterwards. |
Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1646
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Posted - 2013.11.06 17:24:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:This is why I support scammers including margin trade scammers. The ghouls like OP looking out for people who make "mistakes" maybe entering a number wrong because they got carpel tunnel or bad at maths, and these dollar sign eyed vultures swoop down and take advantage. Then they claim THEY are the victim. It's ghoulish and makes my skin crawl. Scammers prey on those with greed and laziness, they are the predators of the predators and I support them. To be fair though, it's not just greed, it's inexperience. He does not know how the market and contracts tie together, so when he shows info on a item, he expects that to be a representation of the item he is buying, as would most newbies. This guy is now likely to leave, which means one less eve player, just so a scammer could make what is essentially pocket change. Scammers alienate newbies for a quick bit of isk. Supporting them is supporting the prevention of the growth of the eve playerbase. And I know you'll all spew out the BS about how nobody wants this guy anyway and how he's clearly a WOW player in disguise and blah blah blah, I've heard it all before. At the end of the day, had the guys in the rookie chat not acted like a bunch of pricks, it sounds like this wouldn't have been an issue, just a learning experience, but I've seen that chat, and for a place that's supposed to be for helping newbies it does quite the opposite.
I don't know about you, but I like EVE. And I want other people to like EVE. Situations like this don't help that. |
Knights Armament
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
89
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Posted - 2013.11.06 17:25:00 -
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TL;DR
got scammed too cheap to buy a plex or run missions |
Seven Koskanaiken
Sons Of Saints Circle-Of-Two
440
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Posted - 2013.11.06 17:33:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:This is why I support scammers including margin trade scammers. The ghouls like OP looking out for people who make "mistakes" maybe entering a number wrong because they got carpel tunnel or bad at maths, and these dollar sign eyed vultures swoop down and take advantage. Then they claim THEY are the victim. It's ghoulish and makes my skin crawl. Scammers prey on those with greed and laziness, they are the predators of the predators and I support them. To be fair though, it's not just greed, it's inexperience. He does not know how the market and contracts tie together, so when he shows info on a item, he expects that to be a representation of the item he is buying, as would most newbies. This guy is now likely to leave, which means one less eve player, just so a scammer could make what is essentially pocket change. Scammers alienate newbies for a quick bit of isk. Supporting them is supporting the prevention of the growth of the eve playerbase. And I know you'll all spew out the BS about how nobody wants this guy anyway and how he's clearly a WOW player in disguise and blah blah blah, I've heard it all before. At the end of the day, had the guys in the rookie chat not acted like a bunch of pricks, it sounds like this wouldn't have been an issue, just a learning experience, but I've seen that chat, and for a place that's supposed to be for helping newbies it does quite the opposite. I don't know about you, but I like EVE. And I want other people to like EVE. Situations like this don't help that.
Read the story. He asked in Rookie Chat after he got burned. Why didn't he ask before "can someone tell me about blueprints", "how does one decide the price of a blueprint"? Nope, it looks like it was "I just tried to screw and it backfired now I want money back". |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
361
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Posted - 2013.11.06 17:40:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote: Read the story. He asked in Rookie Chat after he got burned. Why didn't he ask before "can someone tell me about blueprints", "how does one decide the price of a blueprint"? I bet they would have been more than helpfull then. Nope, it looks like it was "I just tried to screw and it backfired now I want money back".
Probably didn't even think to ask as the distinction between copies and originals only became apparent to him after he made the mistake.
I do think these days theres a bit too much preying on the newer weak players though to the possibly detriment of the game - an aquaintance of mine - a new player - had his retriever ganked 3 times in a row within an hour by catalyst alts way to new to the game to pickup on how to deal with that sort of thing and even with my advice and giving him a load of stuff to get up and running again he was suicide ganked a day later - out of frustration he bought a plex to buy new stuff to play with as he had no real income stream at that point and again despite my advice not to decided to undock with it - can pretty much guess the rest. Needless to say he quit after that and won't be playing again. |
Haytrid
Mean Corp Mean Coalition
0
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Posted - 2013.11.06 17:41:00 -
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Damn, I really hate reading these types of stories.
They are just so inspiring!
Every time I think about canceling my Eve account I think of all the morons that Eve cycles through like a meat grinder and it reminds me why I love this game and want to continue supporting it.
Time to renew for another Six months.
Thank you Zaryn for sharing this heart-warming story. Thank you for quitting, as you have inspired me to renew my account yet again.
I'll try to send you an Eve-mail to your WOW mail-box in February for my 7 year anniversary. |
Serptimis
Balls Deep Inc.
185
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Posted - 2013.11.06 17:42:00 -
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3 pages. I give this one 7/10. |
Seven Koskanaiken
Sons Of Saints Circle-Of-Two
440
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Posted - 2013.11.06 17:45:00 -
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Rroff wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote: Read the story. He asked in Rookie Chat after he got burned. Why didn't he ask before "can someone tell me about blueprints", "how does one decide the price of a blueprint"? I bet they would have been more than helpfull then. Nope, it looks like it was "I just tried to screw and it backfired now I want money back".
Probably didn't even think to ask as the distinction between copies and originals only became apparent to him after he made the mistake.
Well don't they teach that in a career tutorial? I mean, I'm pretty sure I made an afterburner from a BPC and the tutorial explaining the difference. |
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