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Zaryn Nyruc
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:26:00 -
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I fell in love with this game. I really did. The butterfly effect commercial is what got me into Eve Online. It gave me a sense of epic purpose and really made me want to help any other players I came across. And I didn't mind losing ships to better skilled players or eve gate camps, because I was having fun and experiencing the game. I even liked the idea of scamming corporations through espionage being allowed, i thought it was cool, and still do. I expected the game to be difficult to both get into and to play even after learning a lot, and it was and is, and I like the challenge to better my skills as a pilot and learn to fly smart and pick my fights and smell danger a star system away. i thought I could do anything and be anything I wanted in the great universe! I'm no stranger to MMOs or trolls or scams. I began playing MMOs when I was ten years old. I know every game has a group of bad apples. But I am a resilient person and could always find my way through the bad apples and find a few good ones. For the last month it been nothing but one bad experience with people after another. I tried to help everyone I met, only to come up with the short end of the stick 9 times out of 10.But I pressed on, always looking forward and I kept hoping I would come across a group of players who shared my interests and whom I could play with. I kept having bad experiences though. There were still good ones, like my introduction to Faction Warfare.
When i got into FW I was happy to finally find a way to get some pvp action cooperatively and competitively. But I found mostly these FW corps I was going through had very few online and those online players would jsut dock all day. Then I started losing more ships than my funds could sustain, so I purchased a PLEX and sold it on the market and bought a whole fleet of cheap ships. This left me sitting around 300 million ISK. After making some sales and running tons of missions and a few plexes I was sitting around 400 million. I was left thinking how could I make more money? I stalked the auction houses and market features of MMOs quite a bit and burned myself out on it, so that was really out of the question unless I found a GREAT deal.
Fast forward a week. I find my self docked in jita preparing to purchase and transport 15 cheap kestrels and their fittings to a distant star system in a far off region, with the intent of sustaining a week or two at least of vicious fighting against the gallente and minmatar scum. I see in local chat a contract for a raven navy issue blueprint. i click the contract and see the item is raven navy issue blueprint copy. Right clicking the item I show info and view it's market details. 935mil to sell this bad boy!!! Then i see the contract is for 370 million ISK. My heart jumps. I could buy this and make a triple profit. but what about the seller? Surely he made and error and mistyped the info. i try to talk to him in local. No good, chat's moving to fast. I try to open a convo to let him know. Again no luck, he rejects it. With money signs in my eyes and the chachings of cash registers and gold coins in my ears, I purchase the blue print. But not before double, then triple checking that this particular item will sell for 935 million ISK. i googled the item, I found posts about selling ti for various prices, all of them high prices. I thought I had hit jack pot. I accepted the contract, got my item, and then, to my dismay, was unable to sell it. What had happened? Was my client bugged? I reopened the client. No difference. I hopped in rookie chat, explained my situation, linked my item, and then found out it was a copy. Of an original. Worthless. Only good for one run and unsaleable on the market.
I had been scammed. Essentially losing a month's worth of isk earned and 15 dollars on top of that. I had been scammed. it was not an epic, months long act of espionage. It was not daring or exciting. There was no adrenaline pumping. It was not what I had been led to believe scamming was in this particular MMO. It was just another ****** experience with another player. Sure this game is difficult to start up, it can be overwhelming with so much freedom and some many things to do, but that freedom of choice is also exhilarating and, I think, refreshing compared to other MMOs. I chose to use this freedom to help others as much as I could. And others use this freedom to help themselves. But that scam was not the final bad experience. The straw that broke the camel's back, is when I asked in Rookie Chat what the hell was going, I was the bad guy for wanting to know what, if anything, could be done to get my money back. I was the stupid noob that should have paid attention and should have known all about blueprints. I was the ******* idiot that should be banned for wanting retribution for being scammed. I was the moron who should kill himself for not using my brain. My entire time playing this game I have been the noob, the idiot, the moron, and the bad guy. All because I could not see the one fault with this game: The people who play it. Part of me wants to push on and move past all this because the game itself is so fantastic, but a larger part of me just wants to call it quits and find a different game to play.
I've seen more than a few threads about how to get new players to keep playing after their first weeks, and have seen chats in game go on and on and on about it. People suggest add even more tutorials, make the game easier for newbs, give newbs 'care packages', and more that i cannot recall off the top of my head right now. The thing that would really make me stay though, is if it were a hell of a lot easier to find like minded players. As in, players who aren't narcissistic or sociopathic or outright lying douches. I will play until my Pilot's License expires, and then I think I'm done. Thanks for reading my story.
-Z
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Anomaly One
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:28:00 -
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hmm... yea |
Dkeh Weis
Frankenmouse Inc Frankenmouse
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:31:00 -
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Welcome to Eve.
Also, finding a good corp can be hard, but once you do find one, it completely changes the game. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9358
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:32:00 -
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Your greed and desire to screw another player instead got you screwed, but you're ablooblooblooing over getting scammed?
lol |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9358
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:34:00 -
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Also if it's a raven navy issue blueprint copy it's not exactly worthless |
Na Madullier
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:35:00 -
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Only fly what you can afford to lose. It sounds like you tried to pvp without an adequate income to support the losses. You then proceeded to try to capitalize on someone's "mistake" and are outraged now that you were counter-scammed.
Step back. Don't buy plex. Find a corp to fly with. |
Wolf Kruol
Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.
41
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:37:00 -
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Sorry to see ya leave. Eve is a rough game.. Many players break only the strong will stay.
Contract are risky.. If your not sure ask friends or corp mates. if you have non.. then you need to be more careful and read the forum of many many sob stories..
Training skills isn't the only education your toon needs.. You yourself need to train how to understand eve's universe. That can take time and balls of steal.
Good luck capsuleer. |
Diva Ex Machina
D'reg The Methodical Alliance
34
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:37:00 -
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If something appears too good to be true, it usually is. Especially if you see it in Jita local. |
oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope Gallente Federation
271
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:42:00 -
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This is why my rule #1 for players isn't 1.Don't fly what you can't afford
My rule #1 has and always will be 1.Everything in Eve is a scam. Everything. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1406
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:43:00 -
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Zaryn Nyruc wrote: I fell in love with this game. I really did. The butterfly effect commercial is what got me into Eve Online. It gave me a sense of epic purpose and really made me want to help any other players I came across. And I didn't mind losing ships to better skilled players or eve gate camps, because I was having fun and experiencing the game. I even liked the idea of scamming corporations through espionage being allowed, i thought it was cool, and still do. I expected the game to be difficult to both get into and to play even after learning a lot, and it was and is, and I like the challenge to better my skills as a pilot and learn to fly smart and pick my fights and smell danger a star system away. i thought I could do anything and be anything I wanted in the great universe! I'm no stranger to MMOs or trolls or scams. I began playing MMOs when I was ten years old. I know every game has a group of bad apples. But I am a resilient person and could always find my way through the bad apples and find a few good ones. For the last month it been nothing but one bad experience with people after another. I tried to help everyone I met, only to come up with the short end of the stick 9 times out of 10.But I pressed on, always looking forward and I kept hoping I would come across a group of players who shared my interests and whom I could play with. I kept having bad experiences though. There were still good ones, like my introduction to Faction Warfare.
I had been scammed. Essentially losing a month's worth of isk earned and 15 dollars on top of that. I had been scammed. it was not an epic, months long act of espionage. It was not daring or exciting. There was no adrenaline pumping. It was not what I had been led to believe scamming was in this particular MMO. It was just another ****** experience with another player. Sure this game is difficult to start up, it can be overwhelming with so much freedom and some many things to do, but that freedom of choice is also exhilarating and, I think, refreshing compared to other MMOs. I chose to use this freedom to help others as much as I could. And others use this freedom to help themselves. But that scam was not the final bad experience. The straw that broke the camel's back, is when I asked in Rookie Chat what the hell was going, I was the bad guy for wanting to know what, if anything, could be done to get my money back. I was the stupid noob that should have paid attention and should have known all about blueprints. I was the ******* idiot that should be banned for wanting retribution for being scammed. I was the moron who should kill himself for not using my brain. My entire time playing this game I have been the noob, the idiot, the moron, and the bad guy. All because I could not see the one fault with this game: The people who play it. Part of me wants to push on and move past all this because the game itself is so fantastic, but a larger part of me just wants to call it quits and find a different game to play.
I've seen more than a few threads about how to get new players to keep playing after their first weeks, and have seen chats in game go on and on and on about it. People suggest add even more tutorials, make the game easier for newbs, give newbs 'care packages', and more that i cannot recall off the top of my head right now. The thing that would really make me stay though, is if it were a hell of a lot easier to find like minded players. As in, players who aren't narcissistic or sociopathic or outright lying douches. I will play until my Pilot's License expires, and then I think I'm done. Thanks for reading my story.
-Z
Welcome to Sociopaths Online. It takes a special type of person who enjoys beating on a person in the rookie channel.
It also takes a pretty tough person to handle the abuse that people see every day in this game, and on the forums. I am sorry that you got started off on the wrong foot. I would suggest, if you can handle one more month, is to join Eve University. That corp is excellent at teaching new players the ins and outs of the game, and they are a very welcoming group, and have zero tolerance with sociopaths. You spend a few months there, and your view of the game may change somewhat. The quantity of sick people that are in the game will not go down, but you will know more on how to avoid them.
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Graviton Tetraquark
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:46:00 -
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So, you're crying about 'being scammed' even though the item you bought will, at worst, have you breaking even on the transaction?
Re-contract the BPC or build the ship and sell the ship. Surely it's not that difficult to comprehend. |
Vulture Skull
Scavenger's Inc
0
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:46:00 -
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I dont think you were scammed. You just bought something you did not expect.
Check how much a Navy Raven BPC costs in Jita, maybe it will be around the price you paid for it.
If so sell it for the same price or perhaps a bit cheaper for a quick sell. If you sell it then it was just a bad experience. And you can continue from where you were before you bought the BPC. |
Schmata Bastanold
The brothers inc Brothers Of The Dark Sun
1073
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:50:00 -
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You got scammed. With contract. At Jita.
That really deserved wall of text.
GTFO. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9363
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:51:00 -
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that BPC is worthless, yes, may I have it? |
Anomaly One
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:53:00 -
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Quote:
Welcome to Sociopaths Online.
Nope, eve has the harshest community maybe which makes it all that much better but the most vile goes to some other popular games, which I will not mention, or maybe I will, nah. |
Electrique Wizard
Mutually Lucrative Business Proposals Market and Contract PVP
49
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:54:00 -
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Never buy/invest/fly what you cant afford. And what you probably bought was a Raven BPC, not a Raven Navy Issue BPC. When you checked the market, you got a list of Raven BPO's. When you said you compared the item in the contract you shouldve seen 2 errors: the item you bought wasnt a Navy issue as advertised, and it wasnt a BPO as the ones you saw on the market. |
Omar Alharazaad
ZomCom
95
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Posted - 2013.11.06 14:55:00 -
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Erm. I don't think you were actually scammed. BPC's can't be sold on the open market, you need to sell them via contracts. Aside from that, if you actually manufacture the ship via the BPC in question that can be sold for more than you spent on the copy. Whether or not you turn a profit on it due to mineral costs is beyond me, but even in a worst case scenario you wont be down too much if it turns out to be a loss. Don't get discouraged, you just learned something new, use this to your advantage in the future. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3418
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Posted - 2013.11.06 15:01:00 -
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Tl;dr : Reading is hard. you are all scammers and liars. Bye. |
Jove Death
Jovian Vengeance
172
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Posted - 2013.11.06 15:04:00 -
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OK
You got a raven navy issue bpc
You were proberbly looking on the market at the raven bpo
You havent been scmmed and tbh its proberbly a 1 run navy raven bpc.
So buy the minerals take it to a science station and manufacture it.
Then sell the ship. You prob wont make much profit but you will get your isk back
PS dont whine and rant as theres no point as it sounds like a legit sale and not a scam |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
590
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Posted - 2013.11.06 15:04:00 -
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oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:This is why my rule #1 for players isn't 1.Don't fly what you can't afford
My rule #1 has and always will be 1.Everything in Eve is a scam. Everything.
Oh yeah, I remember that one guy, posting in Local something about "I'm quitting, whoever is firrst in the station can have my stuff fo free" etc.
Nobody replied. really nobody. 100 people in the system and everybody ignored him until he asked why nobody replies. Then somebody said something along the lines "I'm rying to figure out how you want to scam that guy who gets to the station".
Was hilarious. ^_^ |
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Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1140
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Posted - 2013.11.06 15:04:00 -
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If it looks too good to be true it usually is.
Man up, burned my greedy fingers at something similar one time, I'm still here.
Next time with over a 1000 players in local and you are the only one finding this little treat you should ask yourself why no-one else grabbed that item before you did. Surely something is wronk here?
EVE, learn, live, lose, kill, win, move on. |
criativa
Zugleich Techniken
70
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Posted - 2013.11.06 15:19:00 -
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Have you ever seen "Born to Kill"?
I for one can't find better (smarter) people to fight against in any other game. |
seth Hendar
I love you miners
236
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Posted - 2013.11.06 15:26:00 -
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Zaryn Nyruc wrote: wall of text
sorry to be abrupt, but you are the only one to blame regarding this BPC scam.
you said you right clicked the blueprint, and took a look at "info" tab.
well, this is stated, in the top, that it is a "blueprint copy", not an original.
on the market tho, it is stated they are "originals".
in a nutshell, you made a mistake, you are the one to blame. |
March rabbit
True Horde
861
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Posted - 2013.11.06 15:26:00 -
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Zaryn Nyruc wrote:375mil...item is raven navy issue blueprint copy.....Only good for one run and unsaleable on the market. can't speak about prices but you don't buy ORIGINAL blueprints of faction ships. You only get copies, you build ship from it and sell/use the ship.
Looking at gallente ships i think 375mil maybe a little too much for BPC but i am not sure.
Anyway you were not scammed.
But if this accident makes you hate the game and its players you right - you need to stop playing.
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1645
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Posted - 2013.11.06 15:38:00 -
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Like others have said, If it's too good to be true it normally is. But also as others have said, use this as a learning experience, and don';t do it again. It's not the end of the world, and if this is the most you lose to a scam, think yourself lucky. Just remember, if it seems like too good a deal, or if you have even a shadow of a doubt, don't do it. Then you should be safe.
Now for the bad news. If that was a BPC, and it showed on the market, that means it was in fact not a Raven Navy Issue bpc, since they aren't on the market. That was a Raven BPC. It's worth a couple of mil tops. |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
491
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Posted - 2013.11.06 15:42:00 -
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The only true way to win EVE Online is to uninstall.
You won the game in a month flat! |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3233
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Posted - 2013.11.06 15:47:00 -
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This demonstrates that you are emotionally or intellectully fit for this game. Your other MMO experiences (you mention "aution houses") also probably means that you are unable to understand the things that make EVE great (EVE is best enjoyed by people not tainted too much by other MMO experiences, because MMOs basically suck).
No crime in that, EVE isn't for everyone despite what these 'playstyle egalitarians" claim. But you should try to understand that the probme lies with yo and your expectations, not a game that has survvied and thrived in 10 years while most MMOs fail in a fraction of that time. |
Michael Turate
The Scope Gallente Federation
75
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Posted - 2013.11.06 15:50:00 -
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Was reading and quite interested until I saw JITA and then I lol'd. Why do you think the lions hunt at the water hole? Eve's a tough game, we like it that way, it's a game like no other and that comes at a price. We've all been through the same thing, think of it as an initiation.
I've contracted you 9 PVP fit merlins just outside Jita, it's not much but should allow you a bit of fun PVP in your last few days. See how you feel after that, not everything is bad in New Eden, you just have to take care and have your wits about you. Good luck! |
Za'afiel
Federation Militia Bandits
17
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Posted - 2013.11.06 15:54:00 -
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Read the blog here, a char that started about when you started, see the difference, get yourself together.
http://ericshangthepirate.wordpress.com |
Sarah Flynt
Everyshore Research
5
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Posted - 2013.11.06 15:54:00 -
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Zaryn Nyruc wrote: I had been scammed. There are many scams in EVE but this wasn't one. Let me clear some things up for you: There are no BPOs (Blue Print Original with infinite runs) for Navy ships. Either you buy the assembled ship from the LP-Store or you buy a 1-run BPC from it. You bought the latter one from a player who was too lazy to build it himself, even at a price that should make you a nice profit; not nearly as high as you thought, as you probably mixed the BPC up with a regular Raven BPO (that's a different ship!). So let's run the numbers:
With Production Efficiency V and current Jita sell prices you need minerals for roughly 164 mil ISK. Counting in the BPC for 375 mil you have a total of 539 mil. Current sell price for the ship in Jita is around 581 mil, so that's a profit of 42 mil before taxes. Not too bad if you ask me.
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