This is and always has been a PVP game, you are free to do whatever you want but so is everyone else.

This is and always has been a PVP game, you are free to do whatever you want but so is everyone else.

I thought, "sounds interesting, maybe i should give it a go"

Now I'm thankful i couldn't be bothered!

Sounds like a pretty shameful performance from CCP, and i look forward to hearing something from them regarding it.
(Or, with the current trend, not hearing anything at all.)

(Or, with the current trend, not hearing anything at all.)

By all accounts it wasn't CCP that performed shamefully but v0v, what Baltec says is correct.

It was CCP's failure to cater for a significant portion of their customer base (high-sec) while providing "just another Thursday night" (quite by goons) for 0.0 players.

You are very naive if you think that most of those carebears who got slaughtered had any idea that it's going to be battle in 0.0.

You are also very naive if you think that net outcome (satisfaction minus dissatisfaction, subs gained minus subs lost) is positive.

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Let me rephrase myself - word 'cater' probably wasn't used well by me - the event ran by CCP was perceived very negatively by high-sec players, and it was just another slugfest for 0.0 guys. In total, it's negative outcome. How can you argue with that.

And no, I am not kidding that most of high-sec carebears had no clue that they are going to nullsec. Just read around. Many were surprised when they were told to jump even to low-sec. And look at the fits in killboards, average carebear would not bring PVE fit BS into 0.0.

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"I went into 0.0 where there is a major war going on and I got shot at and this is a shameful performance on CCP's part no one told me this could happen. Everyone knows that being in a fleet demands no more than being a mindless F1 monkey with no more skill or attention involved so it certainly couldn't have been me who was responsible!

Grrrr CCP!

(Also goons)"

FYI - I am not high-sec player, have been in all high-sec, low-sec and 0.0, so I understand all points of view.

Why couldn't they make Caldari Prime event copy, just split into e.g. 6 locations (2 high-sec, 2 low-sec, 2 NPC 0.0)? Would be much better than this failure.

Anyway, there is already much written about what went wrong, i.e. good analytical read by one of smarter CSM reps (no you don't qualify Malcanis, don't worry).


EDIT: I really don't care about high-sec missioners if they lost a ship. I care about EVE being successful, and for that they need playerbase. This event alienated a portion of their playerbase INSTEAD of being great opportunity to advertise the game and create content. Look at Twitch broadcasts - at the peak EVE was top 10 with some 4-5k viewers; you don't see that every day. However it dropped oh so quickly once first wave of clueless carebears were wiped out.

What went wrong is that high sec players are damn near useless at working together. It doesn't matter where this happened we would have stomped you out and the same people would be complaining.

FYI - I am not high-sec player, have been in all high-sec, low-sec and 0.0, so I understand all points of view.

Why couldn't they make Caldari Prime event copy, just split into e.g. 6 locations (2 high-sec, 2 low-sec, 2 NPC 0.0)? Would be much better than this failure.

Anyway, there is already much written about what went wrong, i.e. good analytical read by one of smarter CSM reps (no you don't qualify Malcanis, don't worry).


EDIT: I really don't care about high-sec missioners if they lost a ship. I care about EVE being successful, and for that they need playerbase. This event alienated a portion of their playerbase INSTEAD of being great opportunity to advertise the game and create content. Look at Twitch broadcasts - at the peak EVE was top 10 with some 4-5k viewers; you don't see that every day. However it dropped oh so quickly once first wave of clueless carebears were wiped out.

The attackers expected a CCP-run live event. Instead to net it out, the attacker's position is that they...

were left by the event organizers to fend for themselves;
were not given adequate instructions on what to do;
were not organized into effective fleets;
were not led by trustworthy FCs; and,
that CCP in essence led a couple of thousand EVE players into a deathtrap from which there was no escape.

What went wrong is that high sec players are damn near useless at working together. It doesn't matter where this happened we would have stomped you out and the same people would be complaining.

I do find it really funny given all the "if the highsec players stood up to nullsec, highsec would win!" sentiment being passed around the forums by some in recent months. Turns out you can't herd cats(and farmers can't fight trained soldiers) who knew?

They expected to be led by the nose the entire time and that it would all end in fanfare with pats on the back all round, and a goodie bag. At least, the people I talked to sure felt that way.

You still seem to miss the point. No one ever would complain if this was event organized by some players, e.g. Tuskers/RvB/EUNI/Burn Jita etc. However you should have very different standards if for major Live events created by CCP.

By all accounts it wasn't CCP that performed shamefully.

I don't, not really. The major mistake the developers made, if in fact they wanted to play the "lead them by the nose through a scripted event" kinda thing, is that they played fair. No dev tools, no nothing. Those fleets played by the same rules we all deal with, Tidi included.

Thing is, we don't really know right now what it was supposed to be. We know what it became, though. And if the devs were "playing fair" with no dev tools and no scripted outcome (like Caldari Prime had, since the destruction of that Titan was happening no matter what any of us did), the outcome was inevitable. Did it suck a bit more than it might have? Yep.

But here's the thing. It really does look like, given the whole call to defend the pirate side of things, that this was supposed to be a player vs player group hook, fair and square.

And if that is the case, then anyone who showed up on the highsec side was as good as dead anyway.

If nothing else, it's an abject lesson of how things work in EVE, and where highsec as a whole stands on the food chain. That's nothing new to most of us.

Few good advices for CCP:
- make events more often so few people will attend them
- make several events at the same time to split people around EVE
- if you make event for carebears stay in hisec
- if you want carebears to shoot something bring CCP ships, titans and capitals in hisec are nice targets to shoot
- if you make events for nullsec players... don't. Every nullsec event will end in massive clusterfuck with bubbled gates and fleets in position long before you jump into the system. We have it without your help.

Nobody's talking about Somerblink anymore.

CCP, I see what you did there.

This is and always has been a PVP game, you are free to do whatever you want but so is everyone else.

The only problem with that is how much you allow others in impact peoples gameplay. Currently High Sec players run the risk of a gank or a wardec etc. But both are manageable if you aren't stupid.

If they for example removed Concord like some ask, then yes people are free to do whatever they want. Now the 0.0bears like to think they will sweep through High killing 'pubbies' forever. What will really happen is the majority of High quits eve.

The best thing to look at is Ultima, without the pubbies the game dies.

Also some ellipses... and my analysis as a successful senior game developer coder programmer real business manager lawyer person with several beautiful wives and 12 healthy kids is that everyone will leave EVE immediately because I was forced by NULL SEC ZEALOTS to lose my terribly fit Raven

Ultima is a classic example of precisely the opposite of that.

Listening to the pubbies, or the carebears, or as they were called back then the "non PK" players killed that game deader than Jimmy Hoffa. And gaming was the worse off for it. That event, in fact, is what prompted the guys who made EVE in the first place, that's why EVE is the way it is.

Yes they are. Both you and me know it. So organize your damn live event taking account that. Especially when the one responsible for Sarum -> Doril trip was CCP Fozzie a.k.a. Raivi.

It's just baffling how easy it would have been making outcome different, and how braindead some CCP employees are. That's just bad for playerbase and for business.

Also, people would not have complained if they got content and died when returning home. Now they died and did not get content. Not smart.

Illogical.

It's realistic that you can get killed anywhere and everywhere.
If you want to do things but can't actually do them,
then that's how it is.

EvE is honest. You CAN be successfull,
but there's no guarantee for it.

In other games, everybody is a fake hero. (see related carebear whining about getting blown up)
In EvE, everybody is a worthless slave to the economy.

No no I get it's the players going to an officially announced event staged by CCP. Shame on you players! How dare you think you could just go out of your habits and experience some event. Ha. Players.

shakes head