Thoughts?

This looks like a covert "AFK cloaker solution" thread.

Funny I say actively hunt with a team cloakers which would be a derivative of PVP and I get called a nullbear. I'm fine with removing local from the game and I get called a nullbear. Lot of talk, but not much substance.

To all those whining about this being AFK issue here is formula to rile you up with : AFK Miner=AFK Ratter=AFK Cloaker=Anthing AFK != Docked.

Lot of talk, but not much substance.

Cloak ships are similar to submarines in modern warfare and in modern warfare exists several platforms in combination that can counter submarines.

I DON'T GET IT!!!1!1!

I'm all about the tears bub. Imagine the buckets we could fill with them if we could hunt cloaked ships.

What will be even funnier is when ccp do change this all these pro 'afk pvpers' will cry to the heavens.

They've already started, people are just a bit blinded at the moment. Watch and see.


And FYI before you 'leet pvpers' start, no I'm not a 'nullbear' I'm a 'lowsecbear'.

The problem is local. Just turn it off in null sec. Afk cloakers ruining your day will no longer be a problem. No need to hunt cloaked ships--just deal with it like we do in wormhole space. Of course, since the null bears would no longer have local, you wouldn't see unprotected 30 man bot mining fleets in null sec anymore....

As to catching you moving sure it can be done as is the same for when a cloaked pilot engages, but again out in mid-space they are effectively isolated from other players with essentially no chance of finding them. Again re-iterate if you are undocked you are in danger always.

With intel in mind I would say that it is a valuable benefit and can indirectly lead to ISK, hence no benefit should be obtained without risk. You are effectively safe once at your mid-point and reaping (action) a benefit. Ratters/Miners, etc still have the penalty of paying attention when undocked, staying aligned, etc at the risk of somebody coming in on them regardless if they are cloaky or not. A cloaked pilot does not have this penalty.

Cant really compare the null sec AFK cloakers with WH, WH dont have to fear a 20 man Black Ops fleet hotdropping at any given time. At least if inside a WH with no local, if you dont see them on D-Scan they are in cloaky ships, and their tank will be weak. Ofcause if its 20 bombers they can deal some damage, but you dont have the AFK cloaker WHO can brigde those in every 5 min if needed.

I like ops idear, to have a team of players being able to use a heat seaking device and by using the map and hard effort being able to find a claked ship sitting still. The longer the ship sits still on same grid, the easier he will be to find trough heat showing on system map.

All ISK comes into the game through in-space activity hence somebody should incur risk to earn it in some manner if they are in-space.

whaaaaaaaa........hence no benefit should be obtained without risk...............whaaaaaaaaa

I won't respond to posters who intentionally misquote me... It's almost like they are behaving as a politician (lowest of lifeforms) running for office.

1. Again how does what I propose grant ratters, miners, etc.100% safety.
2. Cloaking would still exist and would function as it does today except with a counter (with significant barrier to entry).
3. Never said BLOP mechanics are an issue.
4. Intel is a benefit and agree local is an issue where intel can be earned with no risk. Same applies to cloaked mid-space ship.
5. Like the new interceptor changes. Might even help with grabbing nullified ships.

almost like they are behaving as a politician (Laney is so hot) running for office.

I won't respond to posters who intentionally misquote me...

1. Again how does what I propose grant ratters, miners, etc.100% safety.

Be honest - you don't want someone being 100% safe cloaking so that you can be 100% safe ratting.


But you forgot about risk vs reward:
The cloaker can not earn income doing his job.
He has zero risk and zero reward.

You can earn income from ratting.
High reward should have a high risk.


Seems to be working correctly as it is.

*decloaks*

No.

*recloaks*

If you really want to explore that avenue, please explain why you should have perfect knowledge of who is in a system merely because your fat ass is also present in said system.

Local is brokenly overpowered. Cloaking is only almost as powerful as local, and stands as the sole balancing factor against the broken OPness of local.

Cloak ships are similar to submarines in modern warfare and in modern warfare exists several platforms in combination that can counter submarines. I think a fun activity to add to the game would be an option to hunt cloaked ships.

To make this work and increase the barrier entry into this occupation I would suggest making it a team activity with multiple pilots being required to triangulate the ships location. The cloaked ship maintains the option of always relocating and disrupting the locating process of their opposition. This would create another activity that players could do and in trade possibly earn ISK through other players. It would most certaintly change strategies in the game. Thoughts?

*Adding Nullified*

I'm all about the tears bub. Imagine the buckets we could fill with them if we could hunt cloaked ships.