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NPDefender
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Posted - 2006.02.13 16:20:00 -
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The Amamake System is a major bottleneck created by CCP and made into a .4 that makes it a Gate Campers dream every Monday. It makes it unfair for the rest of the players because of the failure of the autopilot systems. Its lack of ability to set a kill limit instead of any pod kills, which makes it unable to use that feature. "Avoid systems where pod killing has recently occurred" need to has a limit bar, because to many systems have pod kills now.
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Leto Nyx
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Posted - 2006.02.13 16:23:00 -
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Why on Mondays?
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.02.13 16:24:00 -
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Jenny Spitfire
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Posted - 2006.02.13 16:24:00 -
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Dont fly pass Amamake? 
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.02.13 16:26:00 -
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Why just Mondays?
And I think we need to move the bottlenecks back deeper into 0.0 before we mess with empire bottlenecks, which really aren't nearly as bad.
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Alexis DeTocqueville
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Posted - 2006.02.13 16:27:00 -
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Edited by: Alexis DeTocqueville on 13/02/2006 16:32:24
Go around.
EDIT: It's ironic that Shikari and I hate each other, we think so alike.
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Andros vonBek
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Posted - 2006.02.13 16:27:00 -
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Tried looking at that little slider bar underneath? maybe altering that will set a different course for the AP fo follow... or fly manually... generally pay attention as you travel...
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.02.13 16:30:00 -
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set autopilot to "0.5 to 1.0" space and you'll never enter Amamake again.
if you want to take the short-cut through low-sec, expect to get ganked. ESPECIALLY in Amamake
 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Sarmaul 4tw.
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NPDefender
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Posted - 2006.02.13 16:42:00 -
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Edited by: NPDefender on 13/02/2006 16:42:48
The problem is the "Avoid systems where pod killing has recently occurredö feature under autopilot does not work with all the pod kills in Safe space. They need to fix that feature, somehow, so it can be used. To avoid Gate Campers.
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Cvuos
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Posted - 2006.02.13 16:47:00 -
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Nothing needs fixing. Take the extra jumps through high sec or take a risky short cut through low sec. It's working exactly as intended.
You can change the route as you please by adding waypoints if the autopilot doesn't plot properly. Or perhaps it should have a "prefer short, but avoid any risk and auto-activate my afterburner while I'm mining on my other account" option?
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NPDefender
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Posted - 2006.02.13 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Cvuos
Nothing needs fixing. option?
The feature can not be used in it current form. Your can't even use in in >.5 trips. There are just to many pod kills in empire space to use it.
So it is broken!!
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Brisi
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Posted - 2006.02.13 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: NPDefender
Edited by: NPDefender on 13/02/2006 16:42:48
The problem is the "Avoid systems where pod killing has recently occurredö feature under autopilot does not work with all the pod kills in Safe space. They need to fix that feature, somehow, so it can be used. To avoid Gate Campers.
Wrong, that's not what's 'broken'. Have you any idea how many ships gets killed in high-sec systems everyday? A lot than in low-sec. Introducing that feature would simply make the autopilot take even longer trips, with a hell of a lot more jumps than of ot wasn't turned on, for no good reason.
Please, for God's sake, just look at your map and press the "Show ship destroyed in the last hour" button, if the number is above 5-6, you might not want to go in there.
There, it wasn't so hard now was it?
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Orvus Prime
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Posted - 2006.02.13 17:00:00 -
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Another Feature thats broken is the buddylist, people in buddylist shows there offline when they r online they need to fix that.
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NPDefender
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Posted - 2006.02.13 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Brisi
Wrong, that's not what's 'broken'. Have you any idea how many ships gets killed in high-sec systems everyday? A lot than in low-sec. Introducing that feature would simply make the autopilot take even longer trips, with a hell of a lot more jumps than of ot wasn't turned on, for no good reason.
I am trying to avoid the long trips, because of all the killed in high-sec systems. If they would have a "Pod kill limit" on the feature, a bar 1-20 for example, that would allow the feature to be used. That way the path would only change if the pod kills got over the limit. Player don't sit and watch the pod kill map, and if you are killed if the first 5 mins of a campers day, you never see it on the pod kill map.
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kumbayah
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Posted - 2006.02.13 17:09:00 -
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Edited by: kumbayah on 13/02/2006 17:12:27
Originally by: Orvus Prime
Another Feature thats broken is the buddylist, people in buddylist shows there offline when they r online they need to fix that.
Read the devblog before you complain maybe?
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Cvuos
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Posted - 2006.02.13 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: NPDefender
The feature can not be used in it current form. Your can't even use in in >.5 trips. There are just to many pod kills in empire space to use it.
So it is broken!!
So use your head instead! Didn't know that Amamake was a big campfest and got ganked? Well know you know and you can avoid it. Plot your own route using waypoints. When I haul expensive stuff I set "prefer safer". That usually adds 10 jumps to get around Amamake and that's what I have to accept for the lower risk.
Inspect your route before starting, use the excellent Ombey maps, use your own head. Haulers don't need win-buttons any more than PvPers do.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.02.13 17:19:00 -
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...somebody needs to use their head more?
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2006.02.13 17:19:00 -
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Oh noes, I dun wanna make an effort to manually plot my course around a system, CCPFIXPLZKTHX I wanna go afk when I haul my cows!
King Liu is RIGHT!!
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.02.13 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Liu Kaskakka
Oh noes, I dun wanna make an effort to manually plot my course around a system, CCPFIXPLZKTHX I wanna go afk when I haul my cows!
Can't argue with King Liu, he's right. 
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Nicky Leeson
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Posted - 2006.02.13 17:41:00 -
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Given its location and the number of agents and stations in Amamake, if it wasn't a 0.4 it would be as much of a lag trap as Jita. The 0.4 status of Amamake is probably a contributor to the scarcity of Republic Fleet Tempests and such like.
This is not a bad thing, and it is good that pirates ahve such a resource-rich location in which to play.
The solution to the pirates is not avoidance, its elimination. Get a force and take them out.
Autopilot - It doesn't need 'fixing'. Avoiding podkill routes is impossible thats all. Atm there is no need for this feature as it is pointless.
he autopilot feature could maybe benefit from a feature such as 'avoid xxx system' though, to avoid situations like on Sundays atm where major hubs become venus flytraps and everyone and theor mother gets stuck.
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Gabby05
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Posted - 2006.02.13 17:52:00 -
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I think the OPs problem with the bottleneck in amamake is the time it takes to go around it. Its not that theres multiple low sec systems you can go through its just several low sec systems in a nice line one after the other.
As a temporary solution to your problem id make a note of all the stuff you need to move and set auto-pilot to safe zones so you can afk travel to your destination whilst you sod off to work or something.
No one will agree with you here cos most are pirates anyways.
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Nicky Leeson
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Posted - 2006.02.13 17:55:00 -
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Why not go and move somewhere else if its that much of a problem?
Like a different region.
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Gabby05
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Posted - 2006.02.13 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Nicky Leeson
Why not go and move somewhere else if its that much of a problem?
Like a different region.
Well im baffled is this an alt of a miner that has an account with a pirate char or a shy pirate??
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Nicky Leeson
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Posted - 2006.02.13 18:24:00 -
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No i am a third account that can't be bothered to log out and log back in with my main since you ask. And no, I have no interest in piracy at all. I think it is rather a pointless waste of tiome and effort that could be spent escrow camping.
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Promon Delnai
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Posted - 2006.02.13 18:37:00 -
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Having an autopilot is no excuse for being an idiot. If youre not clever enough to realize that youre going to be ganked in low sec and fix your routes accordingly, you deserve what you get.
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Jenny Sparks
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Posted - 2006.02.13 18:48:00 -
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I am sick and tierd of this kind of whining, I live in Amamake and do lots of buisness in that system.
I desided to do buisnes thair becus of the danger and in my opinion if thair is no danger thair is no fun, thair are manny differant ways to go around and the shorter roots should be risky, if not what is the point so stop biching and ether grow some balls or moove your trading elswere
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Riku Suzuki
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Posted - 2006.02.13 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: NPDefender
Originally by: Brisi
Wrong, that's not what's 'broken'. Have you any idea how many ships gets killed in high-sec systems everyday? A lot than in low-sec. Introducing that feature would simply make the autopilot take even longer trips, with a hell of a lot more jumps than of ot wasn't turned on, for no good reason.
I am trying to avoid the long trips, because of all the killed in high-sec systems. If they would have a "Pod kill limit" on the feature, a bar 1-20 for example, that would allow the feature to be used. That way the path would only change if the pod kills got over the limit. Player don't sit and watch the pod kill map, and if you are killed if the first 5 mins of a campers day, you never see it on the pod kill map.
But unless you're at war, your chances of being killed in high sec are very small indeed. Just select the high sec route.
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Szordin
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Posted - 2006.02.13 18:59:00 -
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Edited by: Szordin on 13/02/2006 19:00:10
Edited by: Szordin on 13/02/2006 18:59:05
crazy how many people complain about anamake yet the 1000 or so times I have flown thru it in the last year I have never once had any problems with gate campers killing me sure they are there, but they can be avoided if you are smart.
One example, why not just make a instas like everyone else.
Outside of that if you don't want to run into gate camps, and get killed stay out of .4 and below be alot less of them for you to worry about. However, don't think >=.5 is safe from them either.
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Vera Nosfyu
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Posted - 2006.02.13 19:42:00 -
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I'm not entirely sure whether NPDefender is asking to make the autopilot avoid gatecamps or if he's asking CCP to remove bottlenecks. So I'll address both points in turn.
Why should the autopilot be designed to avoid gatecamps? It seems to me that learning how to avoid gatecamps is part of learning to play the game. If we remove skill from the game all that's left is who has the most ISK/SP, it's important to preserve those elements which require you to have a brain.
As for the bottlenecks... Bottlenecks are a fact of life and an important strategic element. Instead of asking for CCP to get rid of them why don't you go yell at God to nerf Gibraltar?
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Alexis DeTocqueville
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Posted - 2006.02.13 20:34:00 -
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Edited by: Alexis DeTocqueville on 13/02/2006 20:34:01
Originally by: Vera Nosfyu
As for the bottlenecks... Bottlenecks are a fact of life and an important strategic element. Instead of asking for CCP to get rid of them why don't you go yell at God to nerf Gibraltar?
"Ascendant Frontier expects that every man will do his duty". Sorry, I immediately thought of Trafalgar in space when I read that post.
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Lisa Run
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Posted - 2006.02.13 20:47:00 -
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Don't understand it either. If you want to fly afk, then make sure that that the whole route goes through hi-sec and if the autopilot doesn't find a safe route on it's own, then try to fix it by inserting 1 or 2 waypoints manually.
Low sec will never be safe, especially not for afk-travelling with the autopilot. The autopilot is just there to assist you, not to make important decisions for you.
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Al Haquis
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Posted - 2006.02.13 21:17:00 -
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Map 4TW.
Seriusly people use the tools you have , use the map , chart they way you need to go.
Btw : Corps looking for pvp experiance for the first time , s******ly and domainon usialy camp the crap out of amamake every weekend , so this system is a good place to get some practise in pvp.
Only thing you need is a covert ops ship and loads of tech1 ships with tech1 mods and the insurance will take care of the isk loss.
Look at Amamake not as a hellhole but a place of great oppertunity.
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Takahashi Clutch
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Posted - 2006.02.13 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Liu Kaskakka
Oh noes, I dun wanna make an effort to manually plot my course around a system, CCPFIXPLZKTHX I wanna go afk when I haul my cows!
lol
\0\ Me kill you long time /0/
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Derran
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Posted - 2006.02.13 21:50:00 -
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It isn't much of a bottleneck. You can go around. Or insta through if you are going through to Ossogur instead of from.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.02.13 22:09:00 -
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Let's take a look at the key points:
o Low sec system
o Bottleneck between two high sec regions (high traffic)
o Constantly pirated and camped.
Nope, it seems to be working just fine. What's there to fix?
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Kaathar Rielspar
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Posted - 2006.02.14 02:50:00 -
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if there's anything needing fixed its the name, should be 'Amagankme'
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xConcept
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Posted - 2006.02.14 03:17:00 -
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Edited by: xConcept on 14/02/2006 03:23:25
I agree with the OP, it shouldnt be so close to beginner space. With only a couple weeks under my belt I was killed and podded by snig there. I didnt even know you "could" camp a gate like that. I thought the turrets by the gate were extremely powerful and tankng them wasnt an option. It really ****ed me off, not because I was killed. More over, the fashion in which I was killed. Not knowing that something like that was even possible. So I lost my cruiser which was a huge setback for someone less then a month old. 
After that happend I decided not to really play much anymore. My account is active still; It's not even a month old and I just log in to train skills atm and thats about it. I was hoping this game would so be my saving grave in terms of online pvp.
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Ki'esha Lorri'en
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Posted - 2006.02.14 03:55:00 -
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Edited by: Ki''esha Lorri''en on 14/02/2006 03:58:53
Dont change a thing, it's great to have systems where your ensured to find a fight.
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I was hoping this game would so be my saving grave in terms of online pvp.
Amamake is the grail for PvP...
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Mangold
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Posted - 2006.02.14 08:49:00 -
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Amamake is fine the way it is. Don't blame your own shortcomings on the system.
/me waves to Al.
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Bl4zer
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Posted - 2006.02.14 08:56:00 -
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Isn't Amamake the home systems of the U'K? Have they gone soft on pirates or maybe they too involved in Providence now to take care of the pirate problem.
Anyway I just insta through Amamake and the other pirate havens round about it. It has always struck me as a bit strange that going between the federation and the republic is much harder than going between the empire and the state.
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Hohenheim OfLight
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Posted - 2006.02.14 09:00:00 -
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Amamake is full of pierat scum, liast two times i ahve went there, there has been camps of 20 ships plus, that is jsut nuts.
Also if you run agents for minmar agents you get sent there for all your stroieline missions, No fun what so ever and bascially means you never get to do any storiline missions goes you dont want to go any where near Amamake.
Might be an idea to move the agents some where else at least.
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Corp Scammer
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Posted - 2006.02.14 09:09:00 -
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there still arent enough gates - that said the following are also choke points good for anti pirate corps (covert ops and AFs are good) mercs also do a good deed when bored they go play with the pathetic sec campers (ami with absolute evil and co) vehan with HUFF pirates and theres a few others.
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Slarti
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Posted - 2006.02.14 09:23:00 -
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Edited by: Slarti on 14/02/2006 09:23:39
The Os gate is rarely camped these days. Snig had a bit of a bloodbath last weekend but on the whole its fine.
At bad times there is generally plenty of verbal type fuss in local with people moaning so there is a warning.
I lub Amamake
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2006.02.14 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: NPDefender
....It makes it unfair for the rest of the players because of the failure of the autopilot systems....
Ah Amamake, I'd been here a few days when I first went there on a cargo run in my shiney new Hoarder. Lo and behold as soon as I enter Amamake I see Load3r (then in Mafia) camping the gate in his Scorpion. My first ever gate camp. That day I learned many things you won't pick up at the Hulm University. I have done a lot of hauling in low sec and I've never lost shipment, it is not broken you just need to treat it differently to high sec. Here are a few pointers:
1) Never, ever, ever enter low sec if you rely on auto-pilot. Learn to nav the old fashioned way. You can even set waypoints and AP the safe bits but in low sec you should always be at the helm. Auto-pilot takes the most direct route, study the map in that area and you'll see a couple of extra jumps will get you through Amamake. The system is not the bottle neck, just the particular gates that the AP likes. Avoiding pod kills is an interesting feature I have never even considered using. After all, you may be the first pod kill of the day at that camp. If you want to travel AFK just plot a high sec (>0.4) route (switch avoid pod kills off) and go do something else, just beware of high sec pirates so use a ship with good resistances and at least 4000+hp total and you should be ok if you get unlucky. Bottom line is Autopilot + lowsec = bad for your health, learn to navigate.
2) Ok, so you are at the helm and alert in low sec. Get a cloaking device. With practice you can shed your gate cloak and re-cloak in a fraction of a second. Granted a skilled inty pilot will spot you and be on you in a flash (more in a sec) but you can align to warp under cloak, decloak and warp saving yourself valuable seconds. ECM is also a great way to break the lock on a small tackler (ECM bursts are good too but you need to be careful where you let them off - very handy if you have gimped your locking times with that cloak).
3) Scan ahead. You should be keeping an eye on local and if there are any piraty looking folks about you should head to a planet and scan the gate you plan to exit from. There are plenty of guides to using the scanner and I'll leave you to find them but it's a powerful tool and easy to use once you get the hang of it. The real trick is that if you are at a planet (moons can have POSs which can kill you) and can scan the gate any pirate at the gate could be scanning the planet to catch you out and they do. This is where that cloak comes in handy since while cloaked you don't show up on scans.
4) Ok, the gate is camped. Oh noes. Well you can turn back. Plot another course (see point 1) or you can run the blockade. If you have instas then you are home scott free, I don't use them as it takes the fun out of it. That and I don't do regular runs. Warp into the gate at 15km and hit that AB. Activate boosters etc and pray. Now it's tempting to use ECM and shooters but if you do the gate will lock as you will have agro'ed. The upside is that the guys shooting at you can't follow you. As long as you are prepared to sacrifice cargo space a Mammoth can mount an impressive tank.
5) Of course I'm assuming you are hauling because a decent sized combat ship shouldn't have too many worries. If you are then consider a Prowler. Great ship, built in stabs and a Arbalest rocket launcher loaded with defenders can mount an impressive defence against heavy missiles and up. They take practice but can make you immune to stealth bomber camps. Also an MWD is a must for them, activate it only after they lock on.
I think thats more than enough free advice. If you still think CCP should fix it then stay in high sec. Eve is very PvP centric, YOU need to solve this 'problem'. Not CCP. Thats the game.
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Verone
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Posted - 2006.02.14 10:04:00 -
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Amamake is one of the most stunning and beautiful tourist attractions in Eve.
The mesmorising way that you jump through and your whole overview lights up red as your hull is melted by Megapulse and Blaster fire...
The wonderful sight of a thousand corpses glistening in teh sunlight, a beautiful visible spectrum of light bouncing across their dessicated frozen surfaces...
...aaahhh. Gets me every Friggin time
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Alex Logan
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Posted - 2006.02.14 10:12:00 -
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What does it matter if they put low sec systems right next to noobie systems, or a hundred jumps away!
You still get a warning pop up when you activate the gate, no-one made you jump...
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Hellcore
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Posted - 2006.02.14 10:35:00 -
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As an ex-Amamake resident and pirate purger (so much fun had) I have to say that you should just use the map and plot your way *around* Amamake if you do not want to travel through the chokepoint gates. It is low-sec for a reason. /waves to all the Amamake people he has killed or killed with.
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Maggot
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Posted - 2006.02.14 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: Bl4zer
Isn't Amamake the home systems of the U'K? Have they gone soft on pirates or maybe they too involved in Providence now to take care of the pirate problem.
U'Ks first priority will always be dealing with slavers.
U'K clears the gate camps whenever we have the resources. Amamake is a key route between Gallente and Minmatar regions and it is important that it is kept open if only for the safety of those Minmatar fleeing the Republic.
Although we have small groups of pilots in the area hunting pirates every day with huge success, we will never fulfill the role as permanent defenders of this trade route as it is not our role. Pilots need to use a bit more common sense when travelling this route. Do not travel through bottlenecks without an intelligence report.
A word of warning, instajump navigation will not save pilots against a 20 strong fleet of S*****rdly pilots utilising fast locking technology whilst sat at close range to the jump gate.
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Alliaanna Dalaii
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Posted - 2006.02.14 12:35:00 -
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Dear CCP
I cannot defend myself and have just been ganked on a monday. This is wrong... Please fix what is working exactly as it was intended
Alliaanna
Sarcasm aside, there are many chokepoints situated all over eve, yes they make good camping points. I personally see no problem with this ? or are you honestly suggesting we remove every chokepoint in the game
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Tempus Blackheart
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Posted - 2006.02.14 19:31:00 -
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Star map can show how many podkills in the last 1 or 24 hours.
See that glowing red star in the middle of the map? That's Amamake. When you see it glowing like that, go around it.
Extremely simple.
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Lardarz B'stard
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Posted - 2006.02.14 19:33:00 -
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It is now Tuesday, so I guess this is no longer an issue?
Perhaps we should pick up the discussion next Monday.
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Ghoz Kross
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Posted - 2006.02.14 20:20:00 -
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Amamake...a trial by fire.
If there were ever anyone camping the gate.
I ran through Amamake about 5 times yesterday, and I never saw a ship close to the gates. Not one. Of course, I play in off-hours (2300-0900 or so), but I've heard tales of gatecamps at Amamake. And every other lowsec gate.
I don't use instas, as someone else in the thread said, they take all the fun out of the game. I run cargo in a Probe with 2x WCS, an AB, shield booster and a couple autocannons.
It's all about being prepared and knowing what to do if you run in to something. You're gonna get killed, it's inevitable. All you do is give congratulations where congratulations is due and be on your way.
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Max Teranous
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Posted - 2006.02.14 20:38:00 -
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Eve wouldn't be the same without Amamake, you haven't really played eve properly if you didn't get ganked there as a 7 day old noob
Max 
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Absolute Evil
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Posted - 2006.02.16 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Corp Scammer
there still arent enough gates - that said the following are also choke points good for anti pirate corps (covert ops and AFs are good) mercs also do a good deed when bored they go play with the pathetic sec campers (ami with absolute evil and co) vehan with HUFF pirates and theres a few others.
Thats a capital 'A' and a capital E Absolute Evil
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k starwind
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Posted - 2006.02.16 12:03:00 -
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oh and why the OP is complaining about bottlenecks please remove
HED-GP
Y-MPWL
EC-P8R
bottlenecks make eve worth playing and stop people going on AP between regions. if you want to go afk stick to the safe route's yes it may take longer but its worth it for the added security
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