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Svavz
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Posted - 2006.02.13 16:29:00 -
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witch is better for npc ? typhoon or tempest ?
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.02.13 16:34:00 -
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tbh they're both pretty **** for npcing (and I'm a minny specialist so I can get away saying that  ). If you're fighting Sansha/Bloods use a phoon (better armour tank), for Angels use a tempest (better shield tank), and for anything else use whatever your wallet can afford.
The phoon also moves faster, which can be very useful when collecting cans or even just getting to within shooting range.
 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Sarmaul 4tw. 
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.02.13 16:52:00 -
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if you can use t2 guns... any bs works.
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.02.13 17:14:00 -
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Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 13/02/2006 17:14:36
Originally by: Sarmaul
tbh they're both pretty **** for npcing (and I'm a minny specialist so I can get away saying that ). If you're fighting Sansha/Bloods use a phoon (better armour tank), for Angels use a tempest (better shield tank), and for anything else use whatever your wallet can afford.
The phoon also moves faster, which can be very useful when collecting cans or even just getting to within shooting range.
I strongly disagree. Tempest is one of the best if not THE best NPC BS in the game at t1. 1400mm IIs and a long range 120km + setup works wonders. On sansha/blood I would rather use a Tempest for sniper range. Typhoon is too reliant on missiles and drones and tanking is too inefficent vs sansha/blood on any other ship besides the apoc, proph, and assault class matari ships. Only drawback is ammo for the tempest. I don't like the phoon for pve though. It is the one area where the pest is better in almost every way for efficiency's sake.
Originally by: "Oveur"
I don't react to threats any better than you do
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Orrin Danestarr
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Posted - 2006.02.13 19:45:00 -
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I prefer my typhoon for the speed alone... and its got an awesome drone bay second only to the domi.
Also, it give that jaws look when you sneak up on somebody from behind and devour their vessel.
MUHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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Draeklore
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Posted - 2006.02.13 19:54:00 -
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The question was which ship is better for NPCing, phoon or tempest, not how much other BS are better than Minnie. IMO the tempest would be better to NPC in with a long range set up.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.02.13 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Draeklore
The question was which ship is better for NPCing, phoon or tempest, not how much other BS are better than Minnie.
so one off the cuff remark means nobody in the thread answered the question properly?
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Sarmaul 4tw.
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Draeklore
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Posted - 2006.02.13 20:11:00 -
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Yes
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.02.13 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Draeklore
Yes
then you're an idiot
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Sarmaul 4tw.
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Draeklore
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Posted - 2006.02.13 20:16:00 -
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And you are a forum troll with no sense of humor.
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2006.02.13 20:30:00 -
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Draek has a point, though. Someone who's just ogtten Mini BS 2, with no skills in Amarr, Caldari, or Gallente ships really isn't going to be all that interested in how much Apocs or Ravens may or may not spank the Tempest/Typhoon at NPCing, or some such.
As such, the Tempest is, overall the better NPCer. It has beeter range, better hitting power, and a generally superior tank to the Typhoon, manking it a more effective NPC killing ship in general.
Harry Voyager
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.02.13 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Harry Voyager
Draek has a point, though. Someone who's just ogtten Mini BS 2, with no skills in Amarr, Caldari, or Gallente ships really isn't going to be all that interested in how much Apocs or Ravens may or may not spank the Tempest/Typhoon at NPCing, or some such.
As such, the Tempest is, overall the better NPCer. It has beeter range, better hitting power, and a generally superior tank to the Typhoon, manking it a more effective NPC killing ship in general.
Harry Voyager
/agree
At low SP the shield tank is superior in almost every way than a armor tank. It has the firepower to back it up or get out of dodge.
Originally by: "Oveur"
I don't react to threats any better than you do
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Caine
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Posted - 2006.02.13 22:57:00 -
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the tempest is a great long range arty/shield platform, can do a nice auto-cannon rig too so I'm told.
But if armour tank if your thing then go phoon, plus I consider it better for missions (autocannon,nos and drones) and it's annoying trying to keep transverse in dead space the phoon can just speed up and hammer.
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2006.02.14 05:05:00 -
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I don't know; I rather enjoy lining up NPC frigates for an 800mm sudden death. The trick, of course, is to have high Evasive Manuver and Advanced Spaceship Command.
Harry Voyager
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Nordvargr
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Posted - 2006.02.14 06:45:00 -
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Did you miss the part where the typhoon has 4 turret hardpoints?
4 turret hardpoints.
Bonuses for 4 turrets wont mean much, and as a minmatar BS pilot bonuses mean everything.
The tempest has two bonuses to DPS, getting your BS level up by a level will make a huge difference in it's effectiveness (10% more damage for every level). As for the people that feel the range bonus the typhoon gives makes it worthy, I feel this is largely non-sequitur as minmatar have no problem sniping as it is, so the bonus to your optimal range will be unecessary.
I have a rather simple formula for level IV agent missions, snipe the smaller ships then fit a lousy shield tank in my mid slots and switch to a high damage ammo and come back and mop up all the BSes. This works in a tempest, but the typhoon is lacking in mid-slots and I do not think it would be possible to duplicate the lousy-shield tank and still have room for at least one tracking computer. Lows, of course, are reserved for gyros.
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.02.14 08:15:00 -
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Originally by: Harry Voyager
I don't know; I rather enjoy lining up NPC frigates for an 800mm sudden death. The trick, of course, is to have high Evasive Manuver and Advanced Spaceship Command.
Harry Voyager
Advanced spaceship command having what effect on BSes now?
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jukriamrr
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Posted - 2006.02.14 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: Testy Mctest
Advanced spaceship command having what effect on BSes now?
They shouldn't afik..
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.02.14 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: jukriamrr
Originally by: Testy Mctest
Advanced spaceship command having what effect on BSes now?
They shouldn't afik..
O_o
/emote runs to test server
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Sarmaul 4tw.
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jukriamrr
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Posted - 2006.02.14 12:34:00 -
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From Advanced spaceship command skill description:
(bold letters)
"Bonus per skill level to the agility of ships requiring Advanced Spaceship Command."
Since battleships do not require that skill, the bonus should not apply to them. NOT that I like that, heh? 
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Moros Leader
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Posted - 2006.02.14 14:32:00 -
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Edited by: Moros Leader on 14/02/2006 14:32:22
Edited by: Moros Leader on 14/02/2006 14:32:13
Edited by: Moros Leader on 14/02/2006 14:32:07
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Svavz
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Posted - 2006.02.14 14:33:00 -
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i have mini bs lvl 5.. should i get a tempest then and armor tank ?
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Orrin Danestarr
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Posted - 2006.02.14 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Svavz
i have mini bs lvl 5.. should i get a tempest then and armor tank ?
The tempest is a superb vessel. I am no expert here, i can only give you my opinion. I think that tho the typhoon is my ship of choice, you should get a tempest because of the skills you have.
"Imagination is the key that unlocks the door." - ME |
Lexor SLice
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Posted - 2006.02.14 15:01:00 -
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tbh, i use a t2 AC tempest for ratting bloods  makes for a wonderful surprise for anyone trying to jump me in a belt
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Imhotep Khem
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Posted - 2006.02.14 16:11:00 -
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I fight Sanshas which do EM/TH and are susceptible to EM/TH.
I have used both Tempest and Typhoon. I by far prefer the Typhoon. Typhoon in short range tanks better than the tempest. I prefer short range since I don't like all the work of collecting my cans. Chewing through NPC I barely pay attention preferring to read a good book while my Phoon makes quick work of multiple BS enemies all while sucking down damage like so many scotch on the rocks.
Tempest has more armor but cant get the resistance up high enough to comfortably tank Sanshas.
My Preferrence is Typhoon. Of course Muninn is even better.
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Azzerhoden
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Posted - 2006.02.14 16:44:00 -
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I am in the same position. Trying to decide which to move to. Currently I'm flying a Cyclone while shieled tanking. My thoughts were to go with a phoon and armor tanking because it has 7 low slots.
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Urundal
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Posted - 2006.02.14 16:50:00 -
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Edited by: Urundal on 14/02/2006 16:53:43
so far :
Tempest = great allround pvp at high SP can gank, can tank, can snipe all very well ; closest minmatar gets to a solopwnmobile = decent L4 mission ship at high SP
= great 0.0 ratting ship at low SP.
typhoon = sucks at pvp unless you have high SP and choose situations carefully
= great L3 mission ship at very low SP, great l4 mission ship at high SP (tank)
= great 0.0 ratting ship at low SP, provided you use range. (1400mm, cruise)
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2006.02.14 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: jukriamrr
From Advanced spaceship command skill description:
(bold letters)
"Bonus per skill level to the agility of ships requiring Advanced Spaceship Command."
Since battleships do not require that skill, the bonus should not apply to them. NOT that I like that, heh?
Hm. Though it was. Must have missed that in the description. Oh well.
Still fun though.
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.02.14 17:41:00 -
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I think the typhoon is undesputed PvP champ at Battleship level with really low SP when fitted with NOS. Then I would say the armageddon comes in second and Dominix third.
Originally by: "Oveur"
I don't react to threats any better than you do
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Urundal
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Posted - 2006.02.14 19:40:00 -
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Quote:
I think the typhoon is undesputed PvP champ at Battleship level with really low SP when fitted with NOS. Then I would say the armageddon comes in second and Dominix third.
except fighting other battleships.
unless your gonna give us your uber fitting at long last ;p
btw have a look at the temphoon setup around here, seems even tempest could do it better, lol. 650's + nos + mwd + armour tank + tempest boni
well except for the dronebay. hmmm might be close then.
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