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KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1001
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Posted - 2013.11.10 00:36:00 -
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I know the live event was a few days ago and alot of people just want to forget it ever happened at this point. And while I know CCP messed up in more than one way and there are a few reasons why people are upset at this event, I still have a question to the people who are mostly upset over CCP welping them:
Why didnt you just turn back when you saw Doril on your route? |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
277
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Posted - 2013.11.10 00:44:00 -
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I'll use this to clear up a misconception. Most people I talked to didn't mind dying, they noticed the destination was nullsec, they knew they were going to die. End
What they did expect was some form of event happening, some sign there was an event actor around. This was not the case, the event actor jumped himself from one of the staging systems directly into the event system. The rest had to catch up, passing trough a bottleneck of nullsec gatecamps, inexperienced people vs experienced gatecampers. If the event actor had travelled with them, it would be much more accepted to die.
The main gripe of most folks who complain is about how the event was run, not the fact they died (yes they complain about the death, but not as the dying itself, but rather that it was 'meaningless')
PS: been part of older live events going into low, and yes yes, the highsec folk tend to die horribly, but they usually were happy about it as it was part of an event. They saw the Nation carrier raiding a planet, or notice how event actors commented. That's what they came for, an event, then they died, and it was good because they died being part of that event. |
Delileah Acharyn
SK Industries
4
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Posted - 2013.11.10 00:48:00 -
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- I personally was not aware that Doril was special
- All I had to lose was a pixels.
- I was logi, fleet didn't have enough logi
- FC said jump.
- 2 hours travelling in slow motion was not going to end with (5)
- Didn't want to travel back 'home' through 10% tidi.
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Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
815
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Posted - 2013.11.10 01:25:00 -
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More than a few people have said in the nearby threadnought that after several hours of travel through 10% TiDi only to find that the event's over, a bubbled alpha gate camp meant a nice, quick trip back to high sec. |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
1186
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Posted - 2013.11.10 01:33:00 -
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I turned around in front of gate to null, 260+ people in my fleet didn't. Which I find amazing considering most of them live in low/null - unlike me. I guess I was the only person in the fleet who didn't trust CCP.
Good news: now ~2k people are less naive and share my opinion about CCP. |
Delileah Acharyn
SK Industries
6
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Posted - 2013.11.10 01:41:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:I turned around in front of gate to null, 260+ people in my fleet didn't. Which I find amazing considering most of them live in low/null - unlike me. I guess I was the only person in the fleet who didn't trust CCP.
Good news: now ~2k people are less naive and share my opinion about CCP.
I was in that fleet. Pretty sure the FC said "everyone except logi jump". When I queried in LogiChat the LC said jump. Before I was aware of what awaited us I saw the FC (on my watchlist) was taking heavy fire. I just about had time to lockup the cap chain and the FC and engage modules before I was alpha'd off the field.
EDIT: I was expecting to lose the ship but hoped I could at least cause somebody to last a bit longer. If I wasn't logi I might have briefly considered turning around. |
Scherezad
Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security
1298
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Posted - 2013.11.10 01:43:00 -
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'cuz I'm a big damn hero.
o7 |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
1187
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Posted - 2013.11.10 01:51:00 -
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Delileah Acharyn wrote:... In my fleet Serge was FC and his ship was popped faster than he could launch a single charge of fireworks. I see logis in null/low is complete waste of time and I shouldn't use basi as event ship.... Correction: shouldn't use any ship because CCP's events don't seem to worth attention. |
Deep Starwalker
ICEWASP
30
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Posted - 2013.11.10 11:12:00 -
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To answer in a simple manner, it's enough to say that you can still see the "event" on your log in window. Now I'm sure that when CCP does ADVERTISE for an "event" ..then it will happen. ( I stand Corrected )
No one was about to turn back because the event happened to be in Null, all the newbies I am mentoring were well aware that they were gonna be cannon fodder and prepared for it. In Fact I spent HOURS helping 8 newbies, buy, equip , and understand what they would be facing and how to prepare, they bought new clones, I helped them join Arathor Services so they could have fast jump clones and not lose any implants, they hunted for ships and modules and tried to get a set up to allow them to jump in TWICE if they got podded, now THAT is how much they wanted to be part of a CCP EVENT...and all this time, (DAYS ! ! ) of preparation went to nothing.
One of the newbies has quit. there you go CCP way to go. ( I spend an average of 100 / 150 mill to help a newbie get started in EVE )
Turn back in Dori was NEVER the question. This was a FRAUD a scam and a waste of mine, and plenty others, time and ISK.
Does anyone even realize that people spent DAYS preparing for a CCP EVENT???? |
Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
237
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Posted - 2013.11.10 13:05:00 -
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Jandice Ymladris wrote:I'll use this to clear up a misconception. Most people I talked to didn't mind dying, they noticed the destination was nullsec, they knew they were going to die. End What they did expect was some form of event happening, some sign there was an event actor around. This was not the case, the event actor jumped himself from one of the staging systems directly into the event system. The rest had to catch up, passing trough a bottleneck of nullsec gatecamps, inexperienced people vs experienced gatecampers. If the event actor had travelled with them, it would be much more accepted to die. The main gripe of most folks who complain is about how the event was run, not the fact they died (yes they complain about the death, but not as the dying itself, but rather that it was 'meaningless') Also keep in mind, most players actually never even reached the lowsec/nullsec camps before the event was called over (despite the fact these travelling players left the stagingsystem at about the same time as the actors, but wanted to stay together, and thereby got caught up in TiDi) PS: been part of older live events going into low, and yes yes, the highsec folk tend to die horribly, but they usually were happy about it as it was part of an event. They saw the Nation carrier raiding a planet, or notice how event actors commented as pirates enganged them. That's what they came for, an event, then they died, and it was good because they died being part of that event. Edit: I made a blogpost about the event seen from an IC viewpoint as it's sorely lacking (nuff OOC talk however, wich is needed), it doesn't realy paint a positive view either that way : Capsuleers respond en masse to Call to Arms, Navies fail to provide assistance!The blogpost I created after talking to dozens of folks to make sure I didn't made any large mistakes as I couldn't be present.
I would just like to clarify a misunderstanding for the record, the event NPC FC in ihal (formerly Sarum Prime) did not teleport himself directly from ihal to MROC past the gate camps, he flew the entire way with us, I got behind a system or two but caught back up when we got up to the camp. Also, he was flying in a HIC and myself a T1 cruiser. Now it is possible I could have been able to keep up with him because the warp speeds are similar, of this I don't know. I do know most people were bringing battleships and tbh thats a poor choice for an event like this.
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Qweasdy
Absolute Massive Destruction Cult of War
13
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Posted - 2013.11.10 13:14:00 -
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Deep Starwalker wrote: Does anyone even realize that people spent DAYS preparing for a CCP EVENT????
would like to point out that this event was announced on 06.11.2013 17:09 according to the date on the post and happened at 07.11.2013 17:50
25 hours != days |
Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
239
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Posted - 2013.11.10 13:30:00 -
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Qweasdy wrote:Deep Starwalker wrote: Does anyone even realize that people spent DAYS preparing for a CCP EVENT????
would like to point out that this event was announced on 06.11.2013 17:09 according to the date on the post and happened at 07.11.2013 17:50 25 hours != days
ooohh can we round it to 2 days and call it plural?! Pretty pleaseeeeeee |
Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
28
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Posted - 2013.11.10 13:40:00 -
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I stopped at the gate to lowsec. Because I knew exactly what was on the other side of the gate.
I'd rather have an extra ship for FW fleets than knowingly sacrifice it to nullsec alliances. |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1010
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Posted - 2013.11.10 13:53:00 -
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A little quote from an alliance mate of mine who actually joined the live event.
Quote:When I saw Doril as part of our route I even put in fleet that thats a cfc staging system, with a mixed responce of "whats a staging system" "whats cfc" I knew I had made the right choice in going in a bomber. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
2459
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Posted - 2013.11.10 15:13:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:I turned around in front of gate to null, 260+ people in my fleet didn't. I guess I was the only person in the fleet who didn't trust CCP enough to turn my throwaway ship into PvP content that early.
Good news: now ~2k people are less naive and share my opinion about CCP.
That's always good. Also warning people who are thinking to try EVE while SC is being developed. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
509
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Posted - 2013.11.10 15:21:00 -
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At least one wing in our fleet should have stealth bombers, we would just bomb the sh!t out of the sniping blob on the gate, also, no one should listen to CCP actor FCing people around. Including me. |
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
211
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Posted - 2013.11.10 15:31:00 -
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"the people who are mostly upset over CCP welping them"
I wasn't upset about this at all. What upset me was a 15j trip taking over 2 hours, and in the end not making it at all. I would've loved to have made it to the system and blow stuff up and get blown up. If CCP hosted an event and called it "Let's go to a CFC staging system" I'd be all on board with it if there wasn't 10% TiDi.
Edit: And more than an hours notice. How long had stuff about this particular event been posted? |
Arn Dog
64
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Posted - 2013.11.10 15:45:00 -
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KuroVolt wrote:A little quote from an alliance mate of mine who actually joined the live event. Quote:When I saw Doril as part of our route I even put in fleet that thats a cfc staging system, with a mixed responce of "whats a staging system" "whats cfc" I knew I had made the right choice in going in a bomber.
This is one of the points i am trying to hammer home to the more experienced players. Alot of these newer player simply arn't experienced enough through no fault of their own. They are 3-6 months old. Most of us were miners when we were at that level 5+ years ago. So they were lead into what appears to be a CCP trap. People keep harping on that they should have know. All that has happened is they have ether been put off ever going in a sec under 0.5 or quit their accounts. This achieved nothing for such pilots. |
Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
240
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Posted - 2013.11.10 18:17:00 -
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Arn Dog wrote:KuroVolt wrote:A little quote from an alliance mate of mine who actually joined the live event. Quote:When I saw Doril as part of our route I even put in fleet that thats a cfc staging system, with a mixed responce of "whats a staging system" "whats cfc" I knew I had made the right choice in going in a bomber. This is one of the points i am trying to hammer home to the more experienced players. Alot of these newer player simply arn't experienced enough through no fault of their own. They are 3-6 months old. Most of us were miners when we were at that level 5+ years ago. So they were lead into what appears to be a CCP trap. People keep harping on that they should have know. All that has happened is they have ether been put off ever going in a sec under 0.5 or quit their accounts. This achieved nothing for such pilots.
Fortunately most newer players are also involved in EVE uni...and other corps, not to mention the NPC coordinator fleets that had tons of experienced players as well. One other point to note is that the post about the details of the event did say it would be dangerous. I don't know about you, but if I were a noob and I read a possible event and it would be dangerous. I would simply not go. Newer players could ask older players and older players in corps with these newer players could have advised them too.
You are right in that the newer players don't know better because they lack experience, but eve is not short of experienced players who could have also been looking out for these newer players, I would like to know where the experienced eve community were when it happened? You can blame CCP all day for it, but ultimately the fault is shared. |
Edam Neadenil
Bax Corporation
26
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Posted - 2013.11.11 06:39:00 -
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KuroVolt wrote:I know the live event was a few days ago and alot of people just want to forget it ever happened at this point. And while I know CCP messed up in more than one way and there are a few reasons why people are upset at this event, I still have a question to the people who are mostly upset over CCP welping them:
Why didnt you just turn back when you saw Doril on your route?
My fleet, most of whom were already in Sarum about 2 to 3 hours before the event was due to start, did not even make it out of hisec.
Why ? Partly because we had been told to ignore the twitter announcement as likely a hack and wait till CCP announced something in game. Secondly becasue our FC had put together a structured fleet with good logi support and had no intention of letting tot get spread across 24 systems so we stayed together.
No-one died. Nor would anyone have cared. You lose ships all the time in losec and wormholes (unlike null residents who carebear it up till there alliance decides to have a fleet fight then all blob up and get there ships reimbursed afterwards).
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Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
60
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Posted - 2013.11.11 08:56:00 -
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Octoven wrote:I don't know about you, but if I were a noob and I read a possible event and it would be dangerous. I would simply not go. Newer players could ask older players and older players in corps with these newer players could have advised them too.
I can't believe we're going at this again. It seems the one overly attached to his internet spaceships is you, not the hisec players. WE didn't care about danger, we were prepared for it.
To the original post:
Why did we not turn back? Because we believed we'd have an event. That simple - even if the nullsec alliances gank it and the event is "disturbed" or "ruined" or we "lose" and those others are "victors", and we end up losing our ships and pods... we would've been part of something that was supposed to be exceptional to EVE; a "one shot" call. History. Who thinks a ship is too much of a cost for this?!
In fact, there was nothing exceptional here - to use a nullseccer's expression: "Welcome to our regular tuesday night". And that's why people complain.
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Nico Sertan
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2013.11.11 09:26:00 -
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KuroVolt wrote:I know the live event was a few days ago and alot of people just want to forget it ever happened at this point. And while I know CCP messed up in more than one way and there are a few reasons why people are upset at this event, I still have a question to the people who are mostly upset over CCP welping them:
Why didnt you just turn back when you saw Doril on your route?
Isnt it obvious? They needed more time to set up that scam+awox, they needed time so more nulbears can sit on gate to snipe some highsec players. Thats all. Nullsec Devs for nullbears... sadly this will not make this game better and if you, CCP, mean to play EVE as a nullsec space game, then good luck with the small player base you already have there. Cause it is not growing, its getting smaller.
Good Awox, good job by screwing over your customers
-3 subs and no im not comming back cause X: Rebirth and Star Citizen Have fun |
epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
268
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Posted - 2013.11.11 09:46:00 -
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Nico Sertan wrote:KuroVolt wrote:I know the live event was a few days ago and alot of people just want to forget it ever happened at this point. And while I know CCP messed up in more than one way and there are a few reasons why people are upset at this event, I still have a question to the people who are mostly upset over CCP welping them:
Why didnt you just turn back when you saw Doril on your route? Isnt it obvious? They needed more time to set up that scam+awox, they needed time so more nulbears can sit on gate to snipe some highsec players. Thats all. Nullsec Devs for nullbears... sadly this will not make this game better and if you, CCP, mean to play EVE as a nullsec space game, then good luck with the small player base you already have there. Cause it is not growing, its getting smaller. Good Awox, good job by screwing over your customers -3 subs and no im not comming back cause X: Rebirth and Star Citizen Have fun
It's only just after 9am in Iceland, they will be in front of their managers at the moment, which will be a "you fu%^*+< did WHAT! " Moment.
Within a couple of hours we will know whether they are a company we can support with our money..
Wait just a little before jumping hopefully wiser heads will prevail. If not We will be joining you shortly.
CCP remember patience is a virtue .... Not a right.
Oh and by the way, this deserves a proper response not the usual tiny gift to distract.
Let me see NOT ....we mislead you, awoxed hisec sh** in your open mouth. Here's a sweety to take the taste away.
More in the line of we apologise for the live event, we have identified certain elements in the dev team who were working against the interests of the player base and the company, this will be dealt with Internally and steps will be taken to ensure it can never be repeated.We assure you that all players are valued, thank you for your support whilst we resolve this to everyones satisfaction. Asteros and Stratios are beautiful. CCP Please Make these ships Truly function as Exploration ships, +10 Virus strength ...Thank you! |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1031
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Posted - 2013.11.11 14:29:00 -
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Killerjock wrote: Why did we not turn back? Because we believed we'd have an event. That simple - even if the nullsec alliances gank it and the event is "disturbed" or "ruined" or we "lose" and those others are "victors", and we end up losing our ships and pods... we would've been part of something that was supposed to be exceptional to EVE; a "one shot" call. History. Who thinks a ship is too much of a cost for this?!
Well, werent you?
Surely this live event will be remembered for years to come as *that time CCP welped an entire high sec fleet*
And you will be able to say *I was there*. BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty. |
Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
65
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Posted - 2013.11.11 14:48:00 -
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KuroVolt wrote:Well, werent you?
Frankly, no, I was in a gatecamp somewhere.
Quote:Surely this live event will be remembered for years to come as *that time CCP welped an entire high sec fleet* And you will be able to say *I was there*.
Well, where I'm going I doubt anyone will care :) |
epicurus ataraxia
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
280
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Posted - 2013.11.11 14:53:00 -
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Killerjock wrote:KuroVolt wrote:Well, werent you? Frankly, no, I was in a gatecamp somewhere. Quote:Surely this live event will be remembered for years to come as *that time CCP welped an entire high sec fleet* And you will be able to say *I was there*. Well, where I'm going I doubt anyone will care :) I know I called for patience, But that is now exhausted for me too. I too will be somewhere where no one cares about EvE. Such a shame so many need to leave before they realize. Good bye. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3591
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Posted - 2013.11.11 19:21:00 -
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KuroVolt wrote:I know the live event was a few days ago and alot of people just want to forget it ever happened at this point. And while I know CCP messed up in more than one way and there are a few reasons why people are upset at this event, I still have a question to the people who are mostly upset over CCP welping them:
Why didnt you just turn back when you saw Doril on your route?
People really like live events and those who participate in them are not doing so for gain of ISK or stats.
Even risk-averse "carebears" will go into live events and risk their ships.
Live events are "real" in a sense that it's more than just an interaction of the game but part of the story.
There is proof here that the high sec players are not as risk averse as many of the "leet" PVP crowd claims. I can go SCUBA diving with sharks, and then proudly proclaim that everybody who did not take that same risk is now "lower" than me, in stature, worth, prowess, etc. Most of the nullsec hatred for highsec is based on this Goon-influenced ideology of "us versus them and we are better for being us".
The better part of this proof, and argued countlessly on these forums, is that people WILL take risks if the price or motivation is high enough.
And leaving highsec to be in organizations of people using PVP as a bulwark against their low self esteem is not very attractive.
Notably though there are a lot of nullsec players and organizations who are not like that, but they are hard to find and the casual player in highsec may not have a lot of time to offer playing with such a great crew and addressing the needs of their organization - why join when you can get kicked for lack of participation later because your work hours changed or you had to spend a month painting the house? |
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