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Kristin Ortega	Posted - 2006.02.13 21:53:00 - [1] The news item tells me to look into Download and Support section on the Intel site, but I am having trouble finding an actual patch All I was able to find is a Utility program that just gives me the stats of my processors. I am unable to find an actual patch Anyone know exactly where it is? Your friendly neighbourhood miner. Mining + Forums = best combo in game
Andrue	Posted - 2006.02.13 22:00:00 - [2] Edited by: Andrue on 13/02/2006 22:01:13 Originally by: Kristin Ortega The news item tells me to look into Download and Support section on the Intel site, but I am having trouble finding an actual patch All I was able to find is a Utility program that just gives me the stats of my processors. I am unable to find an actual patch Anyone know exactly where it is? Yeah it's a confusing message and not helped by Intel's slightly weird web site. I'd be interested to know if Keiron actually has specific information or not about CPU drivers. I think that until/unless he can give a more specific explanation you should probably take that message as a suggestion that you check for a possible driver on that site. IOW he isn't saying that there is a driver, but that you should just look to see if there is one. Mind you if Keiron does feel like adding more detail perhaps he can also explain why my P4 HT runs Eve a lot better with it's affinity set to one of my virtual cores -- (Battle hardened miner) [Brackley, UK] WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality.
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2006.02.13 22:02:00 - [3] Don't believe it has one m8. The P4 D is just 2 P4s that have totally seperate transistors. The AMD X2 is actually a true dual core cpu in that they are on the same transistor die. You should look for the microsoft patch to help load balance EVE. It is hit and miss. Here is a link to the microsoft hotfix : hotfix And here is a link to a forum that might give you some insight / help installing if you have problems : Linkage Links added :) -Capsicum Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
Capsicum	Posted - 2006.02.13 22:03:00 - [4] I'm attempting to find out for you from Kieron. In the mean time ... If your PC already registers as having 2 processors you might not need a patch. In Windows XP, just go to system information -> Performance tab and if it shows 2 graphs for CPU, then XP already recognises your CPU and you might be ok. If not, try Windows Update ? forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our new Website! Tulips are great hey?
Kristin Ortega	Posted - 2006.02.13 22:07:00 - [5] Edited by: Kristin Ortega on 13/02/2006 22:08:44 It does show two CPU graphs, however I am having problems when I warp in on hostile gate camps; makes me crash entirely. I'll try microsoft hotfix, windows update, the whole ****zle! Edit: Argh, the microsoft hotfix requires me to call them Your friendly neighbourhood miner. Mining + Forums = best combo in game
Blind Man	Posted - 2006.02.13 22:09:00 - [6] i dont see new AMD drivers, only old ones from may 2005
Kristin Ortega	Posted - 2006.02.13 22:20:00 - [7] No Windows Updates available atm, my computer is top-notch up to date I've looked everywhere on the Intel site and I've found a Utility software and a documentation for D Processors; nothing more. I'm going to actually try to call up Microsoft for the hotfix, I hope that helps. Your friendly neighbourhood miner. Mining + Forums = best combo in game
Kristin Ortega	Posted - 2006.02.13 23:34:00 - [8] The link to the forums gives you a mirror to download the hotfix without having to call MS. However, I don't see any information regarding installing specifically. I ran the file and all it did was make a command prompt appear for 5 secs. Anyone installed it yet? Your friendly neighbourhood miner. Mining + Forums = best combo in game
Kyguard	Posted - 2006.02.14 00:21:00 - [9] I'm going to give this a bump seeing as I'm having the same problems. I'm having trouble applying the windows hotfix. I did what it said, but I didn't actually receive any confirmation... I just saw the command window disappear in a couple of seconds. -\|- Join LFC, become someone, become family.
Shiner BockBeer	Posted - 2006.02.14 02:12:00 - [10] Originally by: Kyguard I'm going to give this a bump seeing as I'm having the same problems. I'm having trouble applying the windows hotfix. I did what it said, but I didn't actually receive any confirmation... I just saw the command window disappear in a couple of seconds. What happens if you run the update from the command prompt instead of clicking it in windows?
Kyguard	Posted - 2006.02.14 02:41:00 - [11] Originally by: Shiner BockBeer What happens if you run the update from the command prompt instead of clicking it in windows? I could not figure how to run something from a command prompt, I tried "START" but that's not it. I know how to do it basically, but I don't know the command/syntax. -\|- Join LFC, become someone, become family.
Terakin Bisto	Posted - 2006.02.14 06:16:00 - [12] Start, Run. Then type cmd in the box and hit enter. This will open a DOS window where you can enter commands.
Pottsey	Posted - 2006.02.14 08:48:00 - [13] ôThe P4 D is just 2 P4s that have totally seperate transistors. The AMD X2 is actually a true dual core cpu in that they are on the same transistor die.ö AMD is no more a true dual core then the D P4. Both are true Dual cores they just work differently. A true dual core is 2 cores on 1 chip that can run at least 2 threads at once. Both AMD and Intel cover this description so both are dual core. Just because they work differently does not mean 1 isnÆt a dual core. Both benefit from dual core programmed software. ôHere is a link to the microsoft hotfix : hotfixö Anyone know if the none server version of Windows 64-bit needs the hotfix? _________________________________________________ Nominate famous people in Eve who had an impact on you.
Kyguard	Posted - 2006.02.14 13:28:00 - [14] Edited by: Kyguard on 14/02/2006 13:32:12 Originally by: Terakin Bisto Start, Run. Then type cmd in the box and hit enter. This will open a DOS window where you can enter commands. I know how to do that, but I don't know how to run something from the command prompt itself. I assumed I needed to just type the directory, but that didn't work. Nothing happened to it. Edit: I've read the instructions, but it doesn't seem to be clear how to actually apply the file. Could someone perhaps type a quick "n00b" summary? -\|- Join LFC, become someone, become family.
Steven Dynahir	Posted - 2006.02.14 14:16:00 - [15] Originally by: Kyguard Edited by: Kyguard on 14/02/2006 13:32:12 Originally by: Terakin Bisto Start, Run. Then type cmd in the box and hit enter. This will open a DOS window where you can enter commands. I know how to do that, but I don't know how to run something from the command prompt itself. I assumed I needed to just type the directory, but that didn't work. Nothing happened to it. Edit: I've read the instructions, but it doesn't seem to be clear how to actually apply the file. Could someone perhaps type a quick "n00b" summary? Just drag the patch to the command prompt, it will pick up the start command by itself. --- Regional Sell orders
Steven Dynahir	Posted - 2006.02.14 14:16:00 - [16] Originally by: Pottsey ôThe P4 D is just 2 P4s that have totally seperate transistors. The AMD X2 is actually a true dual core cpu in that they are on the same transistor die.ö AMD is no more a true dual core then the D P4. Both are true Dual cores they just work differently. A true dual core is 2 cores on 1 chip that can run at least 2 threads at once. Both AMD and Intel cover this description so both are dual core. Just because they work differently does not mean 1 isnÆt a dual core. Both benefit from dual core programmed software. ôHere is a link to the microsoft hotfix : hotfixö Anyone know if the none server version of Windows 64-bit needs the hotfix? Well, AMD Dual core has two separate memory interfaces.. So the other core doesn't have to wait while the other accesses memory which is not located in the cache. IIRC. Intels dual core is a bit of a hack, so it's performance is not in-par with AMD dual core. Anyway, I'm using dual single-core platform =) --- Regional Sell orders
Taketa De	Posted - 2006.02.14 14:37:00 - [17] Originally by: Pottsey “The P4 D is just 2 P4s that have totally seperate transistors. The AMD X2 is actually a true dual core cpu in that they are on the same transistor die.” AMD is no more a true dual core then the D P4. Both are true Dual cores they just work differently. A true dual core is 2 cores on 1 chip that can run at least 2 threads at once. Both AMD and Intel cover this description so both are dual core. Just because they work differently does not mean 1 isn’t a dual core. Both benefit from dual core programmed software. While the above is true, there are large architectual differences that give AMD a few advantages. Intels chips work at about the same speed as if you had 2 spereate processors in 2 slots. The whole thing is just packaged in one chip. AMD on the other had has a much quicker inter core communication because it's designed differently and that makes it better suited for dual core in my opinion. It's more like 1 processor with 2 cores instead of 2 processors like Intel. In their next new generation Intel will no doubt remedy these shortfalls (my guess is when moving away from Netburst). --- The Advanced Drone Control Panel.
Pottsey	Posted - 2006.02.14 16:10:00 - [18] Edited by: Pottsey on 14/02/2006 16:10:13 ôIntels dual core is a bit of a hack, so it's performance is not in-par with AMD dual core.ö ThatÆs not strictly true as there are plenty of situations where the Intel dual core chip is faster and plenty when AMD is faster. A lot of people are looking at benchmarks and games made for single cores, in which case AMD are faster. But when it comes to none gaming multitasking or some benchmarks made for dual core the Intel chips are faster. See http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2388&p=12 http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2388&p=9http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2388&p=9/url] Or a more extreme example http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2388&p=14 where the Intel chip is more then 20 minuets faster at the same job then AMDÆÆs dual core. Of course if we are talking about single core games then the AMD chip is way ahead of Intel. ôAMD on the other had has a much quicker inter core communication because it's designed differently and that makes it better suited for dual core in my opinion.ö A lot of benchmarks disagree as the AMD chip seems to be struggling with distributing 4+ applications on the two cores. While the Intel chip is doing a better job. _________________________________________________ Nominate famous people in Eve who had an impact on you.
Virida	Posted - 2006.02.14 16:25:00 - [19] True pottsey, ive been so used to flaming from other forums, when mentioning that fact, i hardly bother actually defending Pentium's more about.
Corunna ElMan	Posted - 2006.02.14 16:42:00 - [20] Edited by: Corunna ElMan on 14/02/2006 16:42:50 Originally by: Capsicum If your PC already registers as having 2 processors you might not need a patch. In Windows XP, just go to system information -> Performance tab and if it shows 2 graphs for CPU, then XP already recognises your CPU and you might be ok. Come again? I see nothing of the sort under System Information in Windows XP. There are no tabs. Are you talking about the graphs I get under Task Manager? Please let me know whether this issue is applicable to a p4 with HyperThreading. Thank you. I'm not here to win any popularity contests. I couldn't care less what you think of me - all that matters is this: Can you defend your opinions?
Harry Voyager	Posted - 2006.02.14 17:54:00 - [21] Edited by: Harry Voyager on 14/02/2006 17:54:37 Well, I'm a little uncomfortable trusting Intel data points right now. Considering they just made a deal with one software company to disable features when run on non-Intel chips (link), it leaves me wonder what else they might be up to as well. Harry Voyager ____________________ I'm not an idiot; I just play one on the forums.
Draximus Prime	Posted - 2006.02.14 18:03:00 - [22] EVE runs amazingly super on; AMD FX60 X2 Dual Core 4GB Ram 2 x Geforce 7800 GTX 512 MB I play EVE with this setup at 1920x1200 resolution, and it is so fluid with no client side lag. I did spend a small fortune building that PC, however if I dont think about the cost, I am very happy with the performance :) ______________________ To dare in fields is valor; but how few dare to be throughly valiant to be true?
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.02.14 18:04:00 - [23] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 14/02/2006 18:04:58 Originally by: Harry Voyager Edited by: Harry Voyager on 14/02/2006 17:54:37 Well, I'm a little uncomfortable trusting Intel data points right now. Considering they just made a deal with one software company to disable features when run on non-Intel chips (link), it leaves me wonder what else they might be up to as well. Harry Voyager Ever wonder why "Intel Inside" has been changed to "ViiV" that is not a word but a palindrome, and the BMW naming convention for their processors? 1. Pentium 4s (P7s) are no good. 2. Their marketing unit is too good that they have brainwashed almost everyone on Planet Earth that clockspeed is power. More Giga, more power. 3. Their Pentium Ms are way better than P4s. 4. In 2004-2005, they know that clockspeed matters not. 5. Would love to release Pentium Ms to the general public but cant because they will cannibalise their Pentium 4s. What to do? A. Change image, it's now Viiv -> not even a word. B. Market processors using BMW naming scheme (OK, I admit that I hate those numbers because I never knew what they mean) and not by their clock speed. C. Let all Earthlings get used to BMW names. D. Re-release Pentium 4s (or Pentium 5s, P8s) using Pentium Ms. I want a Pentium 4 S900 (clock speed in small print - 2 GHz) because all magazines say the 900 series are better than Pentium D Emergency Edition. Oh well. Story time is over. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT! [white]Jenny Spitfire podded me [:oop
Tar om	Posted - 2006.02.14 19:09:00 - [24] Originally by: Draximus Prime EVE runs amazingly super on; AMD FX60 X2 Dual Core 4GB Ram 2 x Geforce 7800 GTX 512 MB I play EVE with this setup at 1920x1200 resolution, and it is so fluid with no client side lag. I did spend a small fortune building that PC, however if I dont think about the cost, I am very happy with the performance :) I..err.. play that resolution on my laptop and its great. I really think you went a bit over the top on those graphics cards. I can see the processor helping though. -- We are the Octavian Vanguard www.octavianvanguard.net "The belief in the possibility of a short decisive war appears to be one of the most ancient and dangerous of human illusions."
Andrue	Posted - 2006.02.14 20:50:00 - [25] Originally by: Corunna ElMan Edited by: Corunna ElMan on 14/02/2006 16:42:50 Originally by: Capsicum If your PC already registers as having 2 processors you might not need a patch. In Windows XP, just go to system information -> Performance tab and if it shows 2 graphs for CPU, then XP already recognises your CPU and you might be ok. Come again? I see nothing of the sort under System Information in Windows XP. There are no tabs. Are you talking about the graphs I get under Task Manager? Please let me know whether this issue is applicable to a p4 with HyperThreading. Thank you. It might. My old laptop seems to. It's possibly the result of a performance/power compromise that wouldn't be made in a desktop machine. -- (Battle hardened miner) [Brackley, UK] WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality.
Kyguard	Posted - 2006.02.14 21:42:00 - [26] Edited by: Kyguard on 14/02/2006 21:43:20 Originally by: Steven Dynahir Just drag the patch to the command prompt, it will pick up the start command by itself. Done that. Command prompt window disappears (closes). I've read the instructions over and over again, I don't see what I am doing wrong. I have created that reg key that it says, I've restarted the pc and yet all I get is the command prompt appearing for 2 secs and closing or using Steven's method, it closes as well. Please refrain from derailing the thread and help a fellow EVE'er get his game running properly. Perhaps someone make a quick summary of the instructions for anyone affected by this? Link to Support (MS) and Other Forums: Forums Support -\|- Join LFC, become someone, become family.
Kyguard	Posted - 2006.02.14 21:47:00 - [27] God kill whoever setup the first mirror on the forums. I've tried the second mirror which was deep in the thread and it seems to be working... Man the first mirror lost me at least 12 years... Will edit when it works ;)! -\|- Join LFC, become someone, become family.
Shadow Vice	Posted - 2006.02.14 21:52:00 - [28] i was under the inpression "intel inside" had been replaced by "leap ahead" and that "viiv" was a platform a bot like what they did with centrino
Asestorian	Posted - 2006.02.14 22:06:00 - [29] Originally by: Shadow Vice i was under the inpression "intel inside" had been replaced by "leap ahead" and that "viiv" was a platform a bot like what they did with centrino Yes this is true. Viiv is Intel's Media PC bundle thingy, not a replacement for pentium.. but anyway.. I don't think this has a whole lot to do with the original post now does it? --- --- YARRR!!1111 - Imaran Imaran is a n00b - Wrangler Wrangler suxx0rz... ner ner ner ner - Imaran
Stratosfear	Posted - 2006.02.14 22:43:00 - [30] Originally by: Pottsey Edited by: Pottsey on 14/02/2006 16:10:13 ôIntels dual core is a bit of a hack, so it's performance is not in-par with AMD dual core.ö ThatÆs not strictly true as there are plenty of situations where the Intel dual core chip is faster and plenty when AMD is faster. A lot of people are looking at benchmarks and games made for single cores, in which case AMD are faster. But when it comes to none gaming multitasking or some benchmarks made for dual core the Intel chips are faster. See http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2388&p=12 http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2388&p=9http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2388&p=9/url] Or a more extreme example http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2388&p=14 where the Intel chip is more then 20 minuets faster at the same job then AMDÆÆs dual core. Of course if we are talking about single core games then the AMD chip is way ahead of Intel. ôAMD on the other had has a much quicker inter core communication because it's designed differently and that makes it better suited for dual core in my opinion.ö A lot of benchmarks disagree as the AMD chip seems to be struggling with distributing 4+ applications on the two cores. While the Intel chip is doing a better job. 1st: In regards to that Anandtech article, correct me if I am wrong, but they are showing single core AMD processor run slower than dual-core Intel CPU, which is exactly surprising how? What does it have to do with AMD X2 series? 2nd: Provide links for your second assertion that somehow Intel dual core is faster than AMD dual core. Thanks.

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