Actually it was more a case of you first. But never mind.

I personally do not think that a rollback is in order. This would undoubtedly affect so many more people than the 2-3000 characters andif they didn't do it after Incarna they won't do it for this.

To the Null Sec Bloc or those battering the "Carebears" please don't insult us. We are paying customers with legitimate concerns and feel that we have the right to voice them on whatever means we can in order to be heard above the chest beating of the people who so marvellously executed the massacre that was "like shooting fish in a barrel."

Now for those that would like see how Null Bloc players deal with a similar event go here threadnaught of rage and see just how many kicked off when this kind of thing happens to them.

Please try to understand what the actual RL concerns are that people are voicing and not just spout venom and insults on the forums, this is aimed every play style in EVE, as if it has\did\will happen to you you'd like to think that community would support open and honest communication and not just try to smack down anyone that try to raise their voice to complain.

Now something to think about below:



EDIT:

@OP: For the sack of clarity and for the ease of CCP to gain an understanding of what the forum rage is about please don't open more threads. This just diverts from the main thread and makes responding and stating what our grievance is much harder. Thank you.

Cant Wait til burn jita the tears inbox wil be full bountys posted

An apology or gift to those who participated (on all sides) will keep within theme of the event, and will negatively impact no one, and positively impact the 2000 or so players who participated.

Reverting the server to 2 or 3 days ago will disrupt logistics, planning, reverse fleet actions and sov exchanges, and negatively impact everyone in the game, save those who participated or suffered negatively over the time spanned between then and now.

Reverting is a bad answer, in my opinion. EVE is about accepting and dealing with the consequences of your actions. This includes CCP accepting and dealing with the consequences of their actions, too. No reversion.

I would say no roll back, no restoration.

Yes I lost a battleship. It was a disaster of a operation.

But war is hell. And that empire fleet disaster is now part of history.

Im not going to read this entire thread, but the OP was briliant!


Felt like I was reading a Monty Python script!

Only an IQ of 50 would be required to,understand this

I would say no roll back, no restoration.

Yes I lost a battleship. It was a disaster of a operation.

But war is hell. And that empire fleet disaster is now part of history.

And They marched in with their banners flying to their doom

You are not very good at this forum thing, are you?

Well when the OP states that you would need to have the IQ of a vegetable not to understand and then they pile in to prove just that, it is hard not to find it amusing.

Suggestion: Let CCP deal with this on their own. They don't need a player to help them "come clean." They also don't need to start that discussion when they're off for the weekend.

Suggestion: In the future, perhaps try avoiding a mixture of "Searching for reasonable discussion" and "Baiting trolls" in your posts. All this will do is improve your mastery in baiting. Unless you're looking for the title, of course.

Well when the OP states that you would need to have the IQ of a vegetable not to understand and then they pile in to prove just that, it is hard not to find it amusing.

Good, like that.

I Know but when they pile in it's so hard not to,So tempting a target.They don't even realise they have been Ganked. But you're right, no point, It's just too easy.

Well when the OP states that you would need to have the IQ of a vegetable not to understand and then they pile in to prove just that, it is hard not to find it amusing.

I think mybe your confusing not understanding with not agreeing, a common "the world revolves around me" mistake made by high sec mission runners

Roll back to a pre event backup and reimburse skill points for the difference between now and then.

This will put things back as they were before the disaster.
No one should gain or lose from this disasterously managed event.
Naturally anyone who gained so much from this debacle will feel cheated of their prize but anyone with the slightest thread of human dignity would think a moment and understand the need.

No tears here lol
Remember the old saying there is no point arguing with an Idiot, and coming down to their level, they have more experience.

So why did you make this thread if you see no point in us arguing with you? Are you bored?

Your idea is the dumbest idea ever, by the way.

That reminds me, I lost a Myrmidon a few months back. Could we roll back to May 2013, too?

No, it won't.

I don't give a damn about the loss of a 20m thorax. I don't want the ship back. Nor the skill points, that measly what? 2000 points? Who cares about that. And who cares if the alliances grabbed the spoils? let them - believe me, much as they might brag, it won't be much of a change in their monthly income.

And surely no one will give me my 2 hours back.

What was lost was faith in this endeavour - and that is the most important currency CCP had. And you don't get that back with a freaking reimbursement. Still waiting for their statement.

Discussion is very different from arguing.

A discussion as to how things can be fairly resolved and matters put right If CCP Ever realised just how badly things went.

I am dissapointed that you were completely able to fully read or understand the contents of the post, but I bow to your experience.

Yeah, I was able to fully understand what you wrote, indeed. It wasn't easy, though. It still sounds like madness to me. So you see nothing wrong with rolling back all of Eve just because a few little fleets got destroyed? That's just dumb.

And it's not as if CCP suddenly gets magically better at running events, either. So your suggestion is completely pointless.

I agree, some small token does not restore the balance, make up for the lost time or restore faith, but It would have been a line in the sand that CCP could clearly say we are not in Nulls pocket look we took it back.Now we will work to rebuild your trust.
I am waiting too before I make a final decision but time is running out, 11 am in Iceland Now.
If they think this will just blow over, It will be a deserted wasteland it blows over.

Token - yes. Reimbursement - no.

Why not? because it would answer the wrong demand; and then they would be able to say "you got your stuff back, why do you complain?"
And those who have been misunderstanding us all along will be able to say: "See? that's what you wanted all along, it WAS about the isk."

Besides, it's 100% against what eve's about: what's done is done; you don't get free respawns. You choose, and you suffer the consequences of your decisions - to lose ships was, indeed, our decision. That's not what we're complaining about.
It would be wrong to roll this back - I choose to lose my ship to a losec blob (tried to save it and fell short). I do not want it back, I do not want them to suffer the consequences of a CCP mistake: we fought, they killed me fair and square, and got the spoils. All is as it should be.
It's CCP who botched, not those who profited on it. Rolling this back would be wrong.