Sure. We also want Z9PP capitals taken away from their holders and I want a few ships I lost to the gridlock bug during the summer Delve campaign against SoCo back.

Oh and a crystal pony.

HTFU.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q&list=FL7VkqFJsb2XzP1tg2xhElUw&feature=mh_lolz

This message has been brought to you by your CCP overlords.

No, it's a philosophy.

HTFU, or "Harden The **** Up" means taking your beating from the following:

- Server
- CCP
- Blob
- Game mechanics

Like a man and walking on to kick more ass, not crying like a sissy. Actually, barring the fact the fleet was kitchensink what happened is pretty much a textbook fleet welp, welps happen and you just need to deal with them.

Would you like a hug OP? Those tears looked harsh?

I would feel that was intended as humor or satire rather than company policy.
If it is? There is no hope for them.

My point?

You are playing Eve online. Your actions matter. Your decisions matter. Your embarressing defeats last forever.

No corner of New Eden is safe. Safety is a lie. There are only varying degrees of danger.

CCP intended this. They do not make concessions for people, not even for their events. You show up to one of their events, it may go as intended, or someone else may show up and **** all over you. You undock in some **** hole I've probably never heard of? Maybe you'll be fine, maybe someone will show up and **** all over everything you love.

You want to play a game where there is only safety from other people, and pvp will only happen to you when you want to?

Go play world of whorecraft, like the other carebears and **** heads. Scrub

You want to play in a sandbox type game?
HTFU

If there are no tears here then why am i no longer thirsty and what did i drink?


the various rage posts that have come from this expertly managed event by CCP (its not the gm's fault the servers are pants) have almost been as fun as killing you all.

'ALMOST'

Wow that earns a 30

+ 10 for not even reading the original post rather than not even understanding it.

Ok, I can say one thing that would've been better if more got into the destination system.

We'd have more to shoot?

Overally this is like that one time Boat told me there would be a capital killmail and I spent hours in the fleet shooting structures with subcaps. Only if I ran to the forums and started crying how Boat is a big baddie that didn't magically summon a carrier so I could fire a missile at it and call it a day.

Face it, bub. You got nothing. You have been reduced to attacking my grammar and language. You are here crying over your embarrasing defeat. You have demonstrated an exceptional lack of understanding of New Eden. Give up. Go home. You have furthered your embarassment here. Cease and desist before you drown in your own tears.

For your own sake, go play something simple and easy, something like wow. Go be among your fellow newbs and scrubs.

Thank you for,sharing your. Life but curious as to what this has to do with the original post?

Point is, **** happens. Get over it.

Ah so ignore the original post to share wise words.
What are you going to play then when the money has gone?

+1 to me to lasting 10 years of tears just like these after every major eve event. Your post is not new or original and it wont be entertained by anyone. You lost, you turned up to an OPTIONAL event and it didint give you magic stars so you cried, oh so much tears.

You quite literally, are the most unfathomably uncreative High Sec scrub I have seen in years. You fail to even uphold the same points you yourself have attempted to pin other people down for, by not realising that people are reading your post and then pointing out how whiny and boring you are...

Did... Did somebody hurt you? Do.. do you need a hug?

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Actually this is hilarious!
Did anyone of you read the original post understand that this was a test of whether you were able to understand more than a spew of nullsqwark?

Actually it was a reasoned and intelligent recommendation to CCP

You turned it into a test that you failed.

Thank you for proving the matter in such a succinct manner

I Never would have thought it possible, but you have trolled yourselves!

Make another tear thread we took this one. GF

You're a test as well, you are genetic test set up by evolution... Darwin cries from the inside in his grave, I feel bad for him

Go on go on more homespun nullsqwark please, It is impossible to marry your cousin in this game, so it can't be your characters fault.

Go on go on more homespun nullsqwark please, It is impossible to marry your cousin in this game, leave the rest to you to work out.

So what your comment tells us is this - "I clearly can't compete with people in this thread, so I need to use words which don't actually have a mean anything, and negatively comment to get attention. Because CCP hates me"

Never go full 'special' mate, never.

I truly did not understand what on earth that meant, I see individual words I recognise, but I cannot make sense of them in that order.

Would you like me to find you a course to help you understand the basic fundamentals of English?

He did the instant he started this thread. You are far too late. Sit back, and enjoy the tears.

He did the instant he started this thread. You are far too late. Sit back, and enjoy the tears.

They came for the communists, but I wasnGÇÖt a communist GÇô so I didnGÇÖt object;
They came for the socialists, but I wasnGÇÖt a socialist GÇô so I didnGÇÖt object;
They came for the trade union leaders, but I wasnGÇÖt a trade union leader GÇô so I didnGÇÖt object;
They came for the Jews, but I wasnGÇÖt a Jew GÇô so I didnGÇÖt object;
Then they came for me GÇô and there was no one left to object

And by that time there was no one left to speak up.

I personally do not think that a rollback is in order. This would undoubtedly affect so many more people than the 2-3000 characters andif they didn't do it after Incarna they won#t do it for this.

To the Null Sec Bloc or those battering the "Carebears" please don't insult us. We are paying customers with legitimate concerns and feel that we have the right to voice them on whatever means we can in order to be heard above the chest beating of the people who so marvellously executed the massacre that was "like shooting fish in a barrel."

Now for those that would like see how Null Bloc players deal with a similar event go here threadnaught of rage and see just how many kicked off when this kind of thing happens to them.

Please try to understand what the actual RL concerns are that people are voicing and not just spout venom and insults on the forums, this is aimed every play style in EVE, as if it has\did\will happen to you you'd like to think that community would support open and honest communication and not just try to smack down anyone that try to raise their voice to complain.

Now something to think about below:

Never go full 'special' mate, never.

You realise that you just opened the biggest can of tears this entire thread? Well done.

I personally do not think that a rollback is in order. This would undoubtedly affect so many more people than the 2-3000 characters andif they didn't do it after Incarna they won#t do it for this.

To the Null Sec Bloc or those battering the "Carebears" please don't insult us. We are paying customers with legitimate concerns and feel that we have the right to voice them on whatever means we can in order to be heard above the chest beating of the people who so marvellously executed the massacre that was "like shooting fish in a barrel."

Now for those that would like see how Null Bloc players deal with a similar event go here threadnaught of rage and see just how many kicked off when this kind of thing happens to them.

Please try to understand what the actual RL concerns are that people are voicing and not just spout venom and insults on the forums, this is aimed every play style in EVE, as if it has\did\will happen to you you'd like to think that community would support open and honest communication and not just try to smack down anyone that try to raise their voice to complain.

Now something to think about below:



EDIT:

@OP: For the sack of clarity and for the ease of CCP to gain an understanding of what the forum rage is about please don't open more threads. This just diverts from the main thread and makes responding and stating what our grievance is much harder. Thank you.

Should it become clear that the events that have just taken place from CCPs reaction was not intended,

Then I just read in the comments on Jesterstrek a very feasable resolution.

Roll back to a pre event backup and reimburse skill points for the difference between now and then.

This will put things back as they were before the disaster.
No one should gain or lose from this disasterously managed event.
Naturally anyone who gained so much from this debacle will feel cheated of their prize but anyone with the slightest thread of human dignity would think a moment and understand the need.

If however the event and its consequences were deliberate, and there to feed either a privileged group of players or for giggles then There is no hope.

And any further discussion is moot.

Either there are people with principles in CCP Or they will lose all of their customers who have principles.

Very simple equation

Only an IQ of 50 would be required to,understand this.

I truly hope it was a major error rather than malicious, the next few days will tell.

For clarities sake, My personal view of the event was never-ending TIDI no communication and no fun. I lost nothing but hours of my life even though i was prepared to if it was interesting.

No, yet again you fail to comprehend what someone has posted and just smacktalk them. Mine was a sincere post of rational and reasoned content and yours just appears to be an attempt at trolling that.

I'm sorry that you don't understand the issues and perhaps you shouldn't continue to try to inflame the situation further?

OH GOD, A FESH FOUNTAIN OF TEARS!

You are bringing RL concerns to a video game. This is too much.
You guys just do not understand eve at all.

Your concerns are that the devs are not giving preferential treatment to high sec players, or to people who want to play the game a certain way. You come around and cry when people play the game in ways you do not like, and yet do so without breaking rules. And then, you try to inject a quote aboutt he holocaust into this. Read some of the things I have posted, then go watch fight club.

Our equivalent to this event would be our anual Jita burn. We basically show up and **** on every freighter we can find.

Consider this before trying to compare our events to yours.

Actually it was more a case of you first. But never mind.

I personally do not think that a rollback is in order. This would undoubtedly affect so many more people than the 2-3000 characters andif they didn't do it after Incarna they won't do it for this.

To the Null Sec Bloc or those battering the "Carebears" please don't insult us. We are paying customers with legitimate concerns and feel that we have the right to voice them on whatever means we can in order to be heard above the chest beating of the people who so marvellously executed the massacre that was "like shooting fish in a barrel."

Now for those that would like see how Null Bloc players deal with a similar event go here threadnaught of rage and see just how many kicked off when this kind of thing happens to them.

Please try to understand what the actual RL concerns are that people are voicing and not just spout venom and insults on the forums, this is aimed every play style in EVE, as if it has\did\will happen to you you'd like to think that community would support open and honest communication and not just try to smack down anyone that try to raise their voice to complain.

Now something to think about below:



EDIT:

@OP: For the sack of clarity and for the ease of CCP to gain an understanding of what the forum rage is about please don't open more threads. This just diverts from the main thread and makes responding and stating what our grievance is much harder. Thank you.

Cant Wait til burn jita the tears inbox wil be full bountys posted

An apology or gift to those who participated (on all sides) will keep within theme of the event, and will negatively impact no one, and positively impact the 2000 or so players who participated.

Reverting the server to 2 or 3 days ago will disrupt logistics, planning, reverse fleet actions and sov exchanges, and negatively impact everyone in the game, save those who participated or suffered negatively over the time spanned between then and now.

Reverting is a bad answer, in my opinion. EVE is about accepting and dealing with the consequences of your actions. This includes CCP accepting and dealing with the consequences of their actions, too. No reversion.

I would say no roll back, no restoration.

Yes I lost a battleship. It was a disaster of a operation.

But war is hell. And that empire fleet disaster is now part of history.

Im not going to read this entire thread, but the OP was briliant!


Felt like I was reading a Monty Python script!

Only an IQ of 50 would be required to,understand this

I would say no roll back, no restoration.

Yes I lost a battleship. It was a disaster of a operation.

But war is hell. And that empire fleet disaster is now part of history.

And They marched in with their banners flying to their doom

You are not very good at this forum thing, are you?

Well when the OP states that you would need to have the IQ of a vegetable not to understand and then they pile in to prove just that, it is hard not to find it amusing.

Suggestion: Let CCP deal with this on their own. They don't need a player to help them "come clean." They also don't need to start that discussion when they're off for the weekend.

Suggestion: In the future, perhaps try avoiding a mixture of "Searching for reasonable discussion" and "Baiting trolls" in your posts. All this will do is improve your mastery in baiting. Unless you're looking for the title, of course.

Well when the OP states that you would need to have the IQ of a vegetable not to understand and then they pile in to prove just that, it is hard not to find it amusing.

Good, like that.

I Know but when they pile in it's so hard not to,So tempting a target.They don't even realise they have been Ganked. But you're right, no point, It's just too easy.

Well when the OP states that you would need to have the IQ of a vegetable not to understand and then they pile in to prove just that, it is hard not to find it amusing.

I think mybe your confusing not understanding with not agreeing, a common "the world revolves around me" mistake made by high sec mission runners

Roll back to a pre event backup and reimburse skill points for the difference between now and then.

This will put things back as they were before the disaster.
No one should gain or lose from this disasterously managed event.
Naturally anyone who gained so much from this debacle will feel cheated of their prize but anyone with the slightest thread of human dignity would think a moment and understand the need.

No tears here lol
Remember the old saying there is no point arguing with an Idiot, and coming down to their level, they have more experience.

So why did you make this thread if you see no point in us arguing with you? Are you bored?

Your idea is the dumbest idea ever, by the way.

That reminds me, I lost a Myrmidon a few months back. Could we roll back to May 2013, too?

No, it won't.

I don't give a damn about the loss of a 20m thorax. I don't want the ship back. Nor the skill points, that measly what? 2000 points? Who cares about that. And who cares if the alliances grabbed the spoils? let them - believe me, much as they might brag, it won't be much of a change in their monthly income.

And surely no one will give me my 2 hours back.

What was lost was faith in this endeavour - and that is the most important currency CCP had. And you don't get that back with a freaking reimbursement. Still waiting for their statement.

Discussion is very different from arguing.

A discussion as to how things can be fairly resolved and matters put right If CCP Ever realised just how badly things went.

I am dissapointed that you were completely able to fully read or understand the contents of the post, but I bow to your experience.

Yeah, I was able to fully understand what you wrote, indeed. It wasn't easy, though. It still sounds like madness to me. So you see nothing wrong with rolling back all of Eve just because a few little fleets got destroyed? That's just dumb.

And it's not as if CCP suddenly gets magically better at running events, either. So your suggestion is completely pointless.

I agree, some small token does not restore the balance, make up for the lost time or restore faith, but It would have been a line in the sand that CCP could clearly say we are not in Nulls pocket look we took it back.Now we will work to rebuild your trust.
I am waiting too before I make a final decision but time is running out, 11 am in Iceland Now.
If they think this will just blow over, It will be a deserted wasteland it blows over.

Token - yes. Reimbursement - no.

Why not? because it would answer the wrong demand; and then they would be able to say "you got your stuff back, why do you complain?"
And those who have been misunderstanding us all along will be able to say: "See? that's what you wanted all along, it WAS about the isk."

Besides, it's 100% against what eve's about: what's done is done; you don't get free respawns. You choose, and you suffer the consequences of your decisions - to lose ships was, indeed, our decision. That's not what we're complaining about.
It would be wrong to roll this back - I choose to lose my ship to a losec blob (tried to save it and fell short). I do not want it back, I do not want them to suffer the consequences of a CCP mistake: we fought, they killed me fair and square, and got the spoils. All is as it should be.
It's CCP who botched, not those who profited on it. Rolling this back would be wrong.

I have an IQ of 55 so I think I am qualified to deal with this...

Since we are obviously dealing with an intellectualy heavyweight in the form of the OP I thought I would bring in the concept known as "sensitivity to initial conditions". How many events both big and small have originated from the effects of that event? How many new players have discovered a thirst for revenge or on your case the sour taste of failure? How many of those wrecks have been salvaged and turned into rigs which in turn have allowed ships to destroy enemies. If you tunr back the server then you have effectively invalidated all of that emergent game play, on a simple whim becasue a trip into nullsec did not end how you imagined. This is pretty uch akin to not caring about all the other legitimate paying customers becasue you are unhappy you did not get what you wanted.

Think for a second what would have happened had the denizens of null not attacked. Presumably people joined this event over other more usual PVE content becasue it was going to null - I don't know what you imagined nullsec would be but if it was the same as empire or lowsec and not filled with frothing raging psychpaths it would be utterly mundane.

You think something should have been done about the TiDi? This is a mechanic brought in for large fleet movements - a symmetric effect that hampered both you and the nullsec brutes that slaughtered you and your chums when you stepped into their world from their own.

The fact is that there was no failure of hardware, no unexpected game bugs - no unfair advantage. You died becasue you were unprepared, inexperienced and at the mercy of people who make living in nullsec their entire raison d'etre.

Basically you are bad.

I did not die. it is in the op

Not on your forum warrior character at least......

Welcome into one of oh so many nullsec fleets that went sour because the FC screwed up, or got screwed by TiDi. It just happens.

As we spammed in local: "Welcome to nullsec".

But we care about the lore. We exist in the lore. That day shall be remembered as the one empires tried to interfere with our independence and we shot them for it. It's EVE, it's sandbox, the CFC and null empires exist within the lore.

We're the outer region empires that give little hoot about what empires think and should the self-proclaimed good guys get involved - we're ready in our steel boots to dispense some real A-Type Asskicking.

That's the spirit.

The difference is, when we get our rear ends handed to us in an epic mix of command clusterfuck and self-incompetence, we pass on the tale as "I was there when it went down and I battled, with all the might of my balls, against lag and bad FCs." and move onward. ("I killed an Exequoror in 6VDT. In below-10% TIDI. UPHILL. FOR TWO HOURS! And not even a lousy t-shirt was gained.")

You people whine because CCP didn't hold your hand and you got yourselves welped. Well, I suppose it's understandable - in the economy of EVE, for consumers of tears there must be a vast population producing this commodity. The delivery from this event could fill a goddamn oil tanker though.

You people whine because CCP didn't hold your hand and you got yourselves welped. Well, I suppose it's understandable - in the economy of EVE, for consumers of tears there must be a vast population producing this commodity. The delivery from this event could fill a goddamn oil tanker though.

Where's the monument to commemorate the first titan built by ASCN? Where's the wreck of Shrike's Avatar, the first actively piloted titan destroyed in the history of New Eden? Something to commemorate TEST's "final" stand and charge during the siege of 6VDT? (the war was over by then. They showed up in the name of all that is fun.)

What we need is a wreck field around the Mara stargate and a beacon that will tell someone the story of m0o. Show a player what another player can do in EVE.

**** why don't you just keep up on this level?

This, all this, above. Trii's comments have been both for and against the complaints but I can fully get behind the snips above and commend her on those points above.

Because tears are an important element of our culture. "Getting" them out of someone prompts the need to "link them" and share with the rest of community. Tears are a common reaction to loss and to being hurt. Their appearance is often associated with dealing a morale blow to your enemy, and causing them to flow can be a measure of proficiency. Memorable tears can also add to the experience of events.

Tears have a social aspect too. For instance, this event will forever be remembered as the one time we fought in a battle that spawned a fifty-page tears thread. There's no coming back from that - whether it was CCPs fault, our fleets or combinations of both people were mad at - tears were had, we enjoyed them.

So off the subject of tears and on to the lore...

Thing with "events" like this is that it actually strangely reflects reality. Rushing to play catch-up with your fleet in 10% TiDi happens, incompetent fleet commanders happen - and mistakes of competent ones do too. Very often a null grunt does fly blind and isn't aware of his destination. Hell, at least people in 8V- knew what they were shooting - with 0.0 you may never actually know if that tower you lost your ship reinforcing was a valuable R64 or some scrubmoon you hit just to deny income.

Sometimes you burn everything not blue to the ground and wave your alliance flag, then maybe swing your **** a little while screaming "HEY LOOK WE'RE AWESOME WE HAS SOV!". Sometimes you watch your reinforcing fleet enter warp, a cyno go up and a bunch of RnK battleships bridge in, smartbombs on, obliterating your lovely friends in seconds.

A few times TiDi will allow you to catch up to your engagement zone and participate in the battle. Other times, your staging system will be put in 10% and your allies will lose a Titan before you can bridge to save it.

The event had organizational problems and someone put it wisely in another post - deserved a buildup where there wasn't one (or maybe there was, and I just didn't pay attention.) but some posts and calls to unsub over essentially a CCP-induced fleetwelp are just way overkill so I'm mostly biased towards "HTFU, bad things happen in space every day."

**** just happens so I do actually believe that the incompetence of actor FC's was fully intentional. Was it astonishingly great event that got us all to attend like say, Burn Jita? No. Was it superbad? No. It was pretty normal day of fleet ops, with the twist of "hey, let's punch CONCORD in the spacehorse and have a blast. We'll probably die, but you'll be able to say 'I was there' so you can bring a snowflake ship."

(Cue a Machariel flying with Zealot fleet. And despite the pilot's repeated attempts to get it killed, it lived to welp another day.)

In their core, they're pretty much a lot of our adorable, benevolent ruthless vikings. Them being good to you isn't them bringing gifts, it's them not smacking you with an axe or stabbing with a large, pointy stick.

Whereas the complaints that the event had no content are legitimate (even a Dev flown empire Titan that did not participate in combat would have at least been something to look at and talk about) asking for reimbursement for ship loss is rather unreasonable.

Complain that there was no event as such if you want ... but reimbursement for ship loss ... no .. just no.

For clarities sake, My personal view of the event was never-ending TIDI no communication and no fun. I lost nothing but hours of my life even though i was prepared to if it was interesting.

Ok, live the lore, harvest the tearz.
Wouldn't it have been more fun for you if there were more tearz though?

It is clear that the OP has no rage or tears to speak about, and that some of the ragers here didn't read or understand.

When you post try not to let People get you upset there is room for your opinion too, and if you have something useful to bring, like a good idea, hopefully people will listen to you.

A good idea would be to stop pretending like CCP stole your identity, kicked your dog, slept with your sister, drank the last of your beer, and then DUI'd your car off of a bridge.

Have a nice weekend, relax.
Everyone has moved on, issues resolved, apologies accepted.