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Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
2912
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Posted - 2013.11.13 20:54:00 -
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Tydeth Gilitae wrote:Highsec uses for Mobile Depot:
1. Mid-mission refit (already covered)
2. Ganking (Gank target, unfit modules into convenient nearby depot, less stuff Concord has a chance to blow up, friendly "innocent" guy scoops up depot with gank tools and brings them to station for future gank alongside what survived in the ship and the gankee's loot. Alternatively, set up in space and fill with fitted gankalyst, gankers collect gankalyst and do their thing.)
3. Mining (store Mining Crystals and Ore in depot, especially the latter for Coveter/Hulk, use as super jetcan.)
4. Top Secret inter-alt smuggling of goods (Character A puts stuff in depot, Character B takes stuff from depot, no transaction link between the two in API background check. Again, like a super jetcan. Primary usage for this would be setting up spy/awox alts.)
Hopefully for #4 CCP can still track those items, or the mobile depot could see illicit use as an RMT coverup.
2 and 4 wont work because only one person can access the depot, you cant drop things for anyone else to nab, 3 is silly because the normal cargo is plenty capable of holding hours worth of crystals and the 3-4k size is tiny compared to the 27.5k of a jet can. Using this for mining is a fairly bad idea....
Just use a GSC really...
And if you revised the first variation of 2 such that the ganker collects it himelf after his 15 min criminal is up then it works
The Drake is a Lie |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3630
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Posted - 2013.11.13 20:56:00 -
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10 bucks says that CCP overlooked depot agro such that all of these "refit in mission room" suggestions means that depots are not targeted by NPCs.
This will result in heinous abuse of them.
Then CCP will "fix" that.
Then there will be tears.
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Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
128
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Posted - 2013.11.13 20:57:00 -
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Turns in the name Paul Otichoda to local gankers. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17392
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Posted - 2013.11.13 20:59:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:10 bucks says that CCP overlooked depot agro such that all of these "refit in mission room" suggestions means that depots are not targeted by NPCs. None of the new deployables are targeted by NPCs, no.
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Karrl Tian
Bourbon Bandits
Anarchy.
245
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Posted - 2013.11.13 21:00:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:10 bucks says that CCP overlooked depot agro such that all of these "refit in mission room" suggestions means that depots are not targeted by NPCs.
This will result in heinous abuse of them.
Then CCP will "fix" that.
Then there will be tears.
The circle of (Highsec) life. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
4287
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Posted - 2013.11.13 21:03:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:10 bucks says that CCP overlooked depot agro such that all of these "refit in mission room" suggestions means that depots are not targeted by NPCs.
Didn't CCP change the rules such that you can't refit while you have aggro?
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy
Caldari State
334
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Posted - 2013.11.13 21:14:00 -
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Knights Armament wrote:Why do highsec players exist?
To fuel your hate. |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
683
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Posted - 2013.11.13 21:20:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Paul Otichoda wrote:As a high sec player (got a problem with that?) I do wonder how the upcoming mobile depot will affect high sec operations.
While I can see the use for it in low and null (even WH space for mini operation) I just don't see that it will be useful for high sec operations. The fact is that in high sec we have enough stations that personal storage and fitting services aren't really needed. Unless of course you are trying to RP as a fully independent survival type.
So what will be the use of the mobile depot in high sec apart from blueprints to buy and make for null sec players Reffting on the fly in a multi room mission. Take Worlds Collide for instance, you could land, depoy, fit sensor boosters and blap stuff, refit for tank for the next room, and then scoop the depot. Or Serpentis Blockade you could trade mid slot mods for sensor boosters when you get damped all to hell. Or in some missions where there are lots of frigs you can refit sensor boosters and lock them faster. BTW, i sell sensor boosters in jita.
Use a Domi with a MJD, and you won't need to refit for Worlds Collide. 
*removed inappropriate signature* - CCP Eterne |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
2260
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Posted - 2013.11.13 21:23:00 -
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Knights Armament wrote:Why do highsec players exist?
Because new players start in High.
Because some people hate adrenaline.
As for uses: Refitting in missions is a good one. Also consider: get to mission, drop the tractor unit. Once the mission is over drop the depot, refit to all salvagers and clear the wrecks the tractor unit collected for you. If there is too much loot, refit some cargo expanders.
Swiss army knife exploration: You can fit stuff to help speed scanning, then depending on what you find: fit analyzers or combat stuff.
What I do not see a good use for in high sec is deploy and leave in place. All the uses seem to be for a quick refit without having to spend time warping, docking, undocking, and warping back.
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Batelle
Komm susser Tod
341
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Posted - 2013.11.13 21:28:00 -
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IMO newly fit modules should be fit offline and have to online using capacitor.
Solves all these shenanigans of refitting mid combat for either PVE or PVP.
Fighting is Magic |
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octahexx Charante
Corporate Scum
Northern Associates.
78
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Posted - 2013.11.13 21:41:00 -
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the way ccp presented this expansion train we are on is exploration for the small guy.
I assume the design is that you go explore lowsec and null setup camp without having to hold sov or even a corp for that matter.
You then probe stuff down with your brand new SOE covops cruiser refit for the sites u wanna do and deploy and use the different new toys to be able to do it for a living.
We are just at the beginning of a train of expansions following this theme and we dont see the whole picture yet from what i understand. |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Desperado-Enforcement LLC
21
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Posted - 2013.11.13 21:48:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:Personally thought I do think the mobile structures are a great new feature and I can see the advantages of the tractor, siphon and Cynosural Inhibitor
You see the advantage of the cynosural inhibitor in high sec? Care to enlighten the rest of us?
I hate to disagree with you,-ábut there is nothing subjective about "boring" in connection to "mining".
-á-á-á-á -- Solstice Project's Alt |
Vol Arm'OOO
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
137
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Posted - 2013.11.13 21:53:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Paul Otichoda wrote:As a high sec player (got a problem with that?) I do wonder how the upcoming mobile depot will affect high sec operations.
While I can see the use for it in low and null (even WH space for mini operation) I just don't see that it will be useful for high sec operations. The fact is that in high sec we have enough stations that personal storage and fitting services aren't really needed. Unless of course you are trying to RP as a fully independent survival type.
So what will be the use of the mobile depot in high sec apart from blueprints to buy and make for null sec players I can't tell if you're genuinely asking a question, or just complaining about a perceived lack of use for a new feature in high sec. I think both, at present I do feel that the mobile depot is going to be a bit pointless in high sec but I was asking to see if people had any alternative use planned for them that I hadn't considered. Personally thought I do think the mobile structures are a great new feature and I can see the advantages of the tractor, siphon and Cynosural Inhibitor, its just I feel the depot is a bit too situational to be used in high sec. Though I do look forward to further more industry focused mobile structures in the future, how about a 1 slot research lab?
Um, in case you didnt notice, not every highsec system has a station. The new depots, let you base out of stationless systems away from other folk allowing you to reap the reward of a system that is not swarming with players.
I don't play, I just fourm warrior. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
2261
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Posted - 2013.11.13 21:58:00 -
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Batelle wrote:IMO newly fit modules should be fit offline and have to online using capacitor.
Solves all these shenanigans of refitting mid combat for either PVE or PVP.
They are online right away as the depot currently stands. Just like refitting at an Orca or a Carrier.
http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
4290
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Posted - 2013.11.13 22:02:00 -
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I Love Boobies wrote:Use a Domi with a MJD, and you won't need to refit for Worlds Collide.
It cannot be over-emphasised how useful the MJD is for sniper boats of all flavours!
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Korvus Falek
Angels of Blood and Fury
Synthetic Systems
78
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Posted - 2013.11.13 22:23:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:The biggest thing is probably being able to change your fitting on the fly inside a mission. Switch between short or long range guns as needed, or drop tank for gank after you reduce the initial DPS. Fit tractors and salvagers after you are done without having to warp off.
(If you're trying to passively aggressively pick on something, ask what the use of the siphon or the cynojammer will be in highsec.)
Ive read a few posts and I like this guy....Wish I could have a dedicated feed to just his comments =P |
Tydeth Gilitae
Magewright Artificers
34
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Posted - 2013.11.13 22:24:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:Tydeth Gilitae wrote:Highsec uses for Mobile Depot:
1. Mid-mission refit (already covered)
2. Ganking (Gank target, unfit modules into convenient nearby depot, less stuff Concord has a chance to blow up, friendly "innocent" guy scoops up depot with gank tools and brings them to station for future gank alongside what survived in the ship and the gankee's loot. Alternatively, set up in space and fill with fitted gankalyst, gankers collect gankalyst and do their thing.)
3. Mining (store Mining Crystals and Ore in depot, especially the latter for Coveter/Hulk, use as super jetcan.)
4. Top Secret inter-alt smuggling of goods (Character A puts stuff in depot, Character B takes stuff from depot, no transaction link between the two in API background check. Again, like a super jetcan. Primary usage for this would be setting up spy/awox alts.)
Hopefully for #4 CCP can still track those items, or the mobile depot could see illicit use as an RMT coverup. 2 and 4 wont work because only one person can access the depot, you cant drop things for anyone else to nab, 3 is silly because the normal cargo is plenty capable of holding hours worth of crystals and the 3-4k size is tiny compared to the 27.5k of a jet can. Using this for mining is a fairly bad idea.... Just use a GSC really... And if you revised the first variation of 2 such that the ganker collects it himelf after his 15 min criminal is up then it works
Ah, I see. I hadn't checked the details of the thing, and assumed that the depot would be like a superior version of the jetcan(larger space, accessible by anyone(this latter being based on current containers and the siphon)). I was wrong.
Having read the devblog, I will revise the list of High-sec uses.
1. Mid-mission refitting.
2. Ganking. (Ganker ganks target, stores his modules in the depot, and returns to collect them after GCC.)
3. Mini-POS in systems sans stations. (Especially if combined with GSCs anchored nearby for the storage aspect of a base.)
4. Decoy when encountering gankers. (When ganked, deploy the thing and hope the gankers targets it instead of your pod when your ship goes boom, and run.) |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
Solar Assault Fleet
702
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Posted - 2013.11.13 22:36:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote: I just don't see that it will be useful for high sec operations
You have been offered a new toy.
You fail to figure out how to use it.
This obviously means that there's something wrong with the toy.
CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil.
CCP Fozzie: When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
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Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
2915
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Posted - 2013.11.13 22:53:00 -
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Tydeth Gilitae wrote:
4. Decoy when encountering gankers. (When ganked, deploy the thing and hope the gankers targets it instead of your pod when your ship goes boom, and run.)
Or just refit from a "mining yeild" fit to a "tank EVERYTHING" fit
The Drake is a Lie |
Karrl Tian
Bourbon Bandits
Anarchy.
245
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Posted - 2013.11.13 23:06:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:Tydeth Gilitae wrote:
4. Decoy when encountering gankers. (When ganked, deploy the thing and hope the gankers targets it instead of your pod when your ship goes boom, and run.)
Or just refit from a "mining yeild" fit to a "tank EVERYTHING" fit
Or just warp out because you're pre-aligned and at the keyboard. |
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
Casoff
1796
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Posted - 2013.11.13 23:09:00 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Paul Otichoda wrote:Personally thought I do think the mobile structures are a great new feature and I can see the advantages of the tractor, siphon and Cynosural Inhibitor You see the advantage of the cynosural inhibitor in high sec? Care to enlighten the rest of us?
You can never be too sure. It pays to be prudent! |
Hypercake Mix
Magical Rainbow Bakery
132
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Posted - 2013.11.13 23:35:00 -
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Find depot, shoot depot? Pretty hard to care about 15 minute suspect timers, even in high-sec. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
41
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Posted - 2013.11.13 23:38:00 -
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Hypercake Mix wrote:Find depot, shoot depot? Pretty hard to care about 15 minute suspect timers, even in high-sec.
While I'm generally in favor of shooting anything at any time, the depots have a 48 hour reinforcement mode that would make that rather futile. |
Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters
98
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Posted - 2013.11.14 00:24:00 -
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You're setting on a gate, expecting an enemy war target to come through.
Then your scout 2 systems over warns you about an entire enemy fleet coming your way, and they have more people than you! You warp to a ping 150km off the gate, MWD 20-30 km towards the gate to avoid being warpable, and deploy depots to change your close range fits to sniper fits. By the time the enemy comes through the gate, you're set to take them on. Compare that to warping back to station, refitting, and then warping back. You'd never get back in time.
Protip: instead of complaining about something, ask how to use something instead. You'll get a more positive response and look like less of a toolshed in the process.
"EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for."
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3630
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Posted - 2013.11.14 00:35:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:10 bucks says that CCP overlooked depot agro such that all of these "refit in mission room" suggestions means that depots are not targeted by NPCs. None of the new deployables are targeted by NPCs, no.
This means the 40M ISK/hr crowd will find a way to use them to make 41M ISK/hr based on this lack of being targeted in mission rooms, and once it's realized how dumb it is that dropping a structure into an NPC base has no response from them, this will be fixed so that they do get attacked.
The hue and cry will be all about how CCP hates mission runners, while the nullsec people will gloat as if the "day has finally come" to (pick one) eliminate highsec/move all missions to lowsec/ make everybody not in a nullsec alliance completely immobile and helpless so they can be shot at while their ship makes squealing pig noises.
Meanwhile, the change in mechanic will also mean that NPC pirates in belts will also attack depots, as well as sleepers in wormholes too. Therefore once the buoyancy of our life vests has been compensated for the first wave of tears, another one will come in to drown us all.
In the end civilization will be completely under water and CCP will have to make this "Water World Online" and we'll be using boats instead of spaceships. Kevin Kostner will be happy and Chribba will have the only highsec aircraft carrier that will be used to harvest lobsters.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
1501
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Posted - 2013.11.14 00:38:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Hypercake Mix wrote:Find depot, shoot depot? Pretty hard to care about 15 minute suspect timers, even in high-sec. While I'm generally in favor of shooting anything at any time, the depots have a 48 hour reinforcement mode that would make that rather futile.
Really, 48 hours?
Wow, that kinda removes, well, any downsides to the module.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
Casoff
1797
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Posted - 2013.11.14 00:41:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Hypercake Mix wrote:Find depot, shoot depot? Pretty hard to care about 15 minute suspect timers, even in high-sec. While I'm generally in favor of shooting anything at any time, the depots have a 48 hour reinforcement mode that would make that rather futile. Really, 48 hours? Wow, that kinda removes, well, any downsides to the module.
After that 48 hour reinforce, the shield takes ten minutes to charge back up to 25%. Then you need to reinforce it again. Also it can be scooped and redeployed while in reinforced. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
1501
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Posted - 2013.11.14 00:44:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Hypercake Mix wrote:Find depot, shoot depot? Pretty hard to care about 15 minute suspect timers, even in high-sec. While I'm generally in favor of shooting anything at any time, the depots have a 48 hour reinforcement mode that would make that rather futile. Really, 48 hours? Wow, that kinda removes, well, any downsides to the module. After that 48 hour reinforce, the shield takes ten minutes to charge back up to 25%. Then you need to reinforce it again. Also it can be scooped and redeployed while in reinforced.
So... a ten minute window to actually do anything to the depot?
That's... pretty lame.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
2265
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Posted - 2013.11.14 00:44:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:
After that 48 hour reinforce, the shield takes ten minutes to charge back up to 25%. Then you need to reinforce it again. Also it can be scooped and redeployed while in reinforced.
Of course the attacker can see the timer and know exactly when it will leave reinforced. If the defender does not return to reset the thing it will be simple to remove it.
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Anomaly One
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2013.11.14 00:48:00 -
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maaan, I thought I could shoot them any time, this sucks...
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