As a high sec player (got a problem with that?) I do wonder how the upcoming mobile depot will affect high sec operations.

While I can see the use for it in low and null (even WH space for mini operation) I just don't see that it will be useful for high sec operations. The fact is that in high sec we have enough stations that personal storage and fitting services aren't really needed. Unless of course you are trying to RP as a fully independent survival type.

So what will be the use of the mobile depot in high sec apart from blueprints to buy and make for null sec players

As a high sec player (got a problem with that?) I do wonder how the upcoming mobile depot will affect high sec operations.

While I can see the use for it in low and null (even WH space for mini operation) I just don't see that it will be useful for high sec operations. The fact is that in high sec we have enough stations that personal storage and fitting services aren't really needed. Unless of course you are trying to RP as a fully independent survival type.

So what will be the use of the mobile depot in high sec apart from blueprints to buy and make for null sec players

I can't tell if you're genuinely asking a question, or just complaining about a perceived lack of use for a new feature in high sec.

Reffting on the fly in a multi room mission. Take Worlds Collide for instance, you could land, depoy, fit sensor boosters and blap stuff, refit for tank for the next room, and then scoop the depot. Or Serpentis Blockade you could trade mid slot mods for sensor boosters when you get damped all to hell. Or in some missions where there are lots of frigs you can refit sensor boosters and lock them faster.

BTW, i sell sensor boosters in jita.

...its just I feel the depot is a bit too situational to be used in high sec.

The fact is that in high sec we have enough stations that personal storage and fitting services aren't really needed.

As a high sec player (got a problem with that?) I do wonder how the upcoming mobile depot will affect high sec operations.

You're absolutely right, and you accurately identified the problem, earlier:



Hi sec gives away so much for free that it obviates eliminates the need for new features like this.

The solution is to nerf high sec.

Yes but if you did that then you wouldn't be able to move in Jita for tripping over mobile depots on the station entrance. Speaking of which will there be restrictions on such placements in Market systems, they haven't said anything about it.

But seriously, this is some real entitlement-bear ****, here.

CCP: Hey we've got some new structures that will be useful for certain styles of play.

You: But... but that's not very useful to my style of play. What gives, CCP?

Not every feature has to be of equal use to every player. You happen to have a play-style in which you have abdicated responsibility for many of the basic survival and sufficiency functions to NPCs, therefore new features that provide support for self-sufficiency are of relatively limited use to you. That's how it's supposed to be.

Frankly, they should use a weapon timer to prevent instant refits mid-combat, too - at least in the case of mobile depots. Missions are already trivial enough - no need to make them even easier.

miners could use it to troll gankers i guess. swap out the max yield fit for a max tank and ECM fit when you see destroyers incoming.

Only in the sense that you can't deploy them close to stations and that shooting one only gives you a suspect timer. Twisted

Why do highsec players exist?

confirmed I have a battlehulk on the go.



w00t, nice, so they will show up on kill-mails + items inside right?

While I can see the use for it in low and null (even WH space for mini operation) I just don't see that it will be useful for high sec operations. The fact is that in high sec we have enough stations that personal storage and fitting services aren't really needed. Unless of course you are trying to RP as a fully independent survival type.

So what will be the use of the mobile depot in high sec apart from blueprints to buy and make for null sec players

I would think not. They probably work like a can more than a POS Structure.

But to be sure.... TO SISI o/'

Like many other additions to the game, I think we'll all be surprised by the uses people conjur up for the Depot. Remember, there are some very devious and inventive people out there. My kind of scum.

But above all else, like many other possessions in the game (ships, POS, faction items... MONOCLES... ) people will just "want one".

Everybody wants to be one of the "cool kids".

ganking isn't cool

They will produce killmails and they will drop loot. Dev blog.

Highsec uses for Mobile Depot:

1. Mid-mission refit (already covered)
2. Ganking (Gank target, unfit modules into convenient nearby depot, less stuff Concord has a chance to blow up, friendly "innocent" guy scoops up depot with gank tools and brings them to station for future gank alongside what survived in the ship and the gankee's loot. Alternatively, set up in space and fill with fitted gankalyst, gankers collect gankalyst and do their thing.)
3. Mining (store Mining Crystals and Ore in depot, especially the latter for Coveter/Hulk, use as super jetcan.)
4. Top Secret inter-alt smuggling of goods (Character A puts stuff in depot, Character B takes stuff from depot, no transaction link between the two in API background check. Again, like a super jetcan. Primary usage for this would be setting up spy/awox alts.)

Hopefully for #4 CCP can still track those items, or the mobile depot could see illicit use as an RMT coverup.

10 bucks says that CCP overlooked depot agro such that all of these "refit in mission room" suggestions means that depots are not targeted by NPCs.

10 bucks says that CCP overlooked depot agro such that all of these "refit in mission room" suggestions means that depots are not targeted by NPCs.

This will result in heinous abuse of them.

Then CCP will "fix" that.

Then there will be tears.

10 bucks says that CCP overlooked depot agro such that all of these "refit in mission room" suggestions means that depots are not targeted by NPCs.

Why do highsec players exist?

Reffting on the fly in a multi room mission. Take Worlds Collide for instance, you could land, depoy, fit sensor boosters and blap stuff, refit for tank for the next room, and then scoop the depot. Or Serpentis Blockade you could trade mid slot mods for sensor boosters when you get damped all to hell. Or in some missions where there are lots of frigs you can refit sensor boosters and lock them faster.

BTW, i sell sensor boosters in jita.

Why do highsec players exist?

Personally thought I do think the mobile structures are a great new feature and I can see the advantages of the tractor, siphon and Cynosural Inhibitor

I think both, at present I do feel that the mobile depot is going to be a bit pointless in high sec but I was asking to see if people had any alternative use planned for them that I hadn't considered.

Personally thought I do think the mobile structures are a great new feature and I can see the advantages of the tractor, siphon and Cynosural Inhibitor, its just I feel the depot is a bit too situational to be used in high sec. Though I do look forward to further more industry focused mobile structures in the future, how about a 1 slot research lab?

IMO newly fit modules should be fit offline and have to online using capacitor.

Solves all these shenanigans of refitting mid combat for either PVE or PVP.

Use a Domi with a MJD, and you won't need to refit for Worlds Collide.

The biggest thing is probably being able to change your fitting on the fly inside a mission. Switch between short or long range guns as needed, or drop tank for gank after you reduce the initial DPS. Fit tractors and salvagers after you are done without having to warp off.

(If you're trying to passively aggressively pick on something, ask what the use of the siphon or the cynojammer will be in highsec.)

2 and 4 wont work because only one person can access the depot, you cant drop things for anyone else to nab, 3 is silly because the normal cargo is plenty capable of holding hours worth of crystals and the 3-4k size is tiny compared to the 27.5k of a jet can. Using this for mining is a fairly bad idea....

Just use a GSC really...

And if you revised the first variation of 2 such that the ganker collects it himelf after his 15 min criminal is up then it works

I just don't see that it will be useful for high sec operations

4. Decoy when encountering gankers. (When ganked, deploy the thing and hope the gankers targets it instead of your pod when your ship goes boom, and run.)

Or just refit from a "mining yeild" fit to a "tank EVERYTHING" fit

You see the advantage of the cynosural inhibitor in high sec? Care to enlighten the rest of us?

Find depot, shoot depot? Pretty hard to care about 15 minute suspect timers, even in high-sec.

None of the new deployables are targeted by NPCs, no.

While I'm generally in favor of shooting anything at any time, the depots have a 48 hour reinforcement mode that would make that rather futile.

Really, 48 hours?

Wow, that kinda removes, well, any downsides to the module.

After that 48 hour reinforce, the shield takes ten minutes to charge back up to 25%. Then you need to reinforce it again. Also it can be scooped and redeployed while in reinforced.

After that 48 hour reinforce, the shield takes ten minutes to charge back up to 25%. Then you need to reinforce it again. Also it can be scooped and redeployed while in reinforced.

for all practical purposes, invincible and not worth the effort.

that is, it won't drive gameplay. it's bad.

miners could use it to troll gankers i guess. swap out the max yield fit for a max tank and ECM fit when you see destroyers incoming.

um ok I did wonder if the new mobile structures were useful for me but I really made this thread to see what other people thought about it, and yes I do think there will need to be mid-combat refit control included, some ideas that people have here would make some mission too easy.

I can't really use the idea of mid-mission deployed and refitting since most of my cargo hold on my BS is full of 800 cap boosters.

Use a Domi with a MJD, and you won't need to refit for Worlds Collide.

Um, in case you didnt notice, not every highsec system has a station. The new depots, let you base out of stationless systems away from other folk allowing you to reap the reward of a system that is not swarming with players.

The whole point is that the mobile depot provides a cheap way for any high-sec bear to get his feet wet in low or null. Its use in highsec is to get people to explore other aspects of the game at an affordable cost.

Ive read a few posts and I like this guy....Wish I could have a dedicated feed to just his comments =P

That would mean they would have to be awake at their keyboard.

safe donut space.

Refits in systems without stations.
Refitting mid-mission.
Other than that, you have permanent space yurts in the form of stations everywhere and people generally not trying to kill you. Its not like you're lacking.

Highsec uses for Mobile Depot:

1. Mid-mission refit (already covered)
2. Ganking (Gank target, unfit modules into convenient nearby depot, less stuff Concord has a chance to blow up, friendly "innocent" guy scoops up depot with gank tools and brings them to station for future gank alongside what survived in the ship and the gankee's loot. Alternatively, set up in space and fill with fitted gankalyst, gankers collect gankalyst and do their thing.)
3. Mining (store Mining Crystals and Ore in depot, especially the latter for Coveter/Hulk, use as super jetcan.)
4. Top Secret inter-alt smuggling of goods (Character A puts stuff in depot, Character B takes stuff from depot, no transaction link between the two in API background check. Again, like a super jetcan. Primary usage for this would be setting up spy/awox alts.)

Hopefully for #4 CCP can still track those items, or the mobile depot could see illicit use as an RMT coverup.

Not everywhere. I PI in a system without any stations and having to undock, jump,PI, jump, dock, etc is an irritant. So, I'll get a depot, drop it in a secluded spot and save a little time in doing the rounds of my planetary installations.

This is all evidence that highsec should be nerfed. These space yurts are meaningless in highsec so its time to nerf highsec so they have meaning because highsec needs to be nerfed.

debatable, there are enough stations in low sec (ok in FW space at least) that a depot again isn't going to be needed. The same is sort of true in NPC null sec, sure you have to move across a few systems to find one but one can be found and accessed. And I suspect trying to operate in sov null sec will result in you logging on into space to find 10 HAC waiting around the depot ready to fire. And that's before you try to run the entrance system gauntlets.

I've spent enough time in null and low to know that trying to do anything from a depot alone is just going to end in you losing stuff.

So I just don't buy this idea that the depot is going to get people trying out null sec. There are too many other things keeping people away from there. Mostly the people there.

Make missions to easy.. hahaha.. that was a good one.

It was the cap boosters for missions i found odd. But then i never understood the quest for cap stable mission ships either and loads of people try and do that.

Along time ago when you started, perhaps you should ponder on what a T1 ship costed back then, and its fitting, compared to what the prices is today... its easy when you have isks to spare like you and me... but those that start, loosing ewen what we considder scrap buckets, is costly for beginners, they need isk to risk things, and dare go low and null, the costlier you make things, the less likely they are to risk things, so you will bar ewen more to stay in highsec... egg and chicken and stuff ;P

You have to be one of the most uncreative players EVE has ever seen. EVE is about taking the tools given and finding a use for them.

And it's simply incorrect that it's null sec people keeping people out of null. Infinity Ziona went to null SOLO and raided Tribe space for a long time. EVE provides all many of ships (nullified tech3s, ships that can generate and jump trough covert jump portals, carriers that can be used as cloakable Mobil operations bases) , equipment (warp core stabs, target lock breakers, ECM and ECM bursts etc etc) and even space itself (wormholes) that people can and douse to circumvent any and all manner of null alliance defenses.

people don't use them because their scared, lazy, unwilling to risk loss, unwilling to make the trade offs needed to join a null sec group (i don't wanna be no mindless bot to the cartels!!!), misinformed by the legions of high sec people chirping about how it can't be done and enslaved by a High Sec so good that it's foolish to make any kind of effort to leave.

in short, the "High Sec only" populations main and only barrier to the rest of the game isn't gate camps, it's themselves.

The whole point is that the mobile depot provides a cheap way for any high-sec bear to get his feet wet in low or null. Its use in highsec is to get people to explore other aspects of the game at an affordable cost.

Yes but not all of those things are available to new players and by new we of course mean people who have been playing for less than six months. I'm 12 days from getting a basic strategic cruiser. 116 days from operating a carrier on minimum. 80 days from using a jump freighter. And your saying that these are the basic ships you need to operate in null sec? As for the other things stabs are going to do nothing when your caught in a bubble, as they always use in null sec.

And yes you'll just say that EVE is a social game and I should join a corp that has that stuff. But isn't this update and mobile structures about letting smaller groups or cops (or even solo players) operate in places like null sec? But of course that isn't going to happen because CFC will just drop a titan fleet on top of them from 30 systems away and kill them.

And about bowing down to the null sec alliances, I'm sure their nice people in real life but their interaction with high sec players in game and on the forums gives me the impression that I don't want to associate with these kind of people. Look at the posts by Goonswarm Federation members in the link below and say that these kind of people are going to "sell" to high sec the advantages of null sec living. With an attitude like that why shouldn't we stay in high sec.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3842161#post3842161

People seem to always bang on about the metagame yet seem to forget that it also involves marketing yourself (and null sec in general) in a positive light.

Yes but not all of those things are available to new players and by new we of course mean people who have been playing for less than six months. I'm 12 days from getting a basic strategic cruiser. 116 days from operating a carrier on minimum. 80 days from using a jump freighter. And your saying that these are the basic ships you need to operate in null sec? As for the other things stabs are going to do nothing when your caught in a bubble, as they always use in null sec.

And yes you'll just say that EVE is a social game and I should join a corp that has that stuff. But isn't this update and mobile structures about letting smaller groups or cops (or even solo players) operate in places like null sec? But of course that isn't going to happen because CFC will just drop a titan fleet on top of them from 30 systems away and kill them.

And about bowing down to the null sec alliances, I'm sure their nice people in real life but their interaction with high sec players in game and on the forums gives me the impression that I don't want to associate with these kind of people. Look at the posts by Goonswarm Federation members in the link below and say that these kind of people are going to "sell" to high sec the advantages of null sec living. With an attitude like that why shouldn't we stay in high sec.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3842161#post3842161

People seem to always bang on about the metagame yet seem to forget that it also involves marketing yourself (and null sec in general) in a positive light.

Along time ago when you started, perhaps you should ponder on what a T1 ship costed back then, and its fitting, compared to what the prices is today... its easy when you have isks to spare like you and me... but those that start, loosing ewen what we considder scrap buckets, is costly for beginners, they need isk to risk things, and dare go low and null, the costlier you make things, the less likely they are to risk things, so you will bar ewen more to stay in highsec... egg and chicken and stuff ;P

Reffting on the fly in a multi room mission. Take Worlds Collide for instance, you could land, depoy, fit sensor boosters and blap stuff, refit for tank for the next room, and then scoop the depot. Or Serpentis Blockade you could trade mid slot mods for sensor boosters when you get damped all to hell. Or in some missions where there are lots of frigs you can refit sensor boosters and lock them faster.

BTW, i sell sensor boosters in jita.

And about bowing down to the null sec alliances, I'm sure their nice people in real life but their interaction with high sec players in game and on the forums gives me the impression that I don't want to associate with these kind of people. Look at the posts by Goonswarm Federation members in the link below and say that these kind of people are going to "sell" to high sec the advantages of null sec living. With an attitude like that why shouldn't we stay in high sec.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3842161#post3842161