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Thaddeus Eggeras TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 71	Posted - 2013.11.13 21:28:00 - [1] - Quote Wouldn't it be fun if New Eden fleets had flagships? I'm not talking about a new class of ships. More ilike n every fleet, one ship could be picked to be the flagship for that fleet. It would get unique bonues, plus maybe give unique fleet bonuses depending on the ship class. Input please.
Master Kansene Universe Expedition Force 0	Posted - 2013.11.13 21:29:00 - [2] - Quote Thaddeus Eggeras wrote: Wouldn't it be fun if New Eden fleets had flagships? I'm not talking about a new class of ships. More ilike n every fleet, one ship could be picked to be the flagship for that fleet. It would get unique bonues, plus maybe give unique fleet bonuses depending on the ship class. Input please. Titan. That is all.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 3323	Posted - 2013.11.13 21:29:00 - [3] - Quote Thaddeus Eggeras wrote: Input please. You really don't want to know what I think about that idea. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 7244	Posted - 2013.11.13 21:30:00 - [4] - Quote Now theres Features & Ideas in my GD! Officer Reeses is going to have a field day today. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Abulurd Boniface The Scope Gallente Federation 56	Posted - 2013.11.13 21:31:00 - [5] - Quote It should get a change in the color scheme to make it stand out in the crowd. I like the flag ship idea. If it can be done, it should be done.
Thaddeus Eggeras TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 71	Posted - 2013.11.13 21:33:00 - [6] - Quote I don't think it only has to be Titans, I think any ship could be, and the class up ship would determine what fleet bonuses it would give as the flagship.
Tauranon Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 321	Posted - 2013.11.13 21:34:00 - [7] - Quote As soon as you have 1 ship doing a critical task, it will become the first primary.
Thaddeus Eggeras TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 71	Posted - 2013.11.13 21:36:00 - [8] - Quote It will get primaried, but maybe that should be it's bonus or one of it's bonuses for being picked as the flag ship, osmething to help it's defense in one way or another.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 3633	Posted - 2013.11.13 21:36:00 - [9] - Quote Give it any tangible advantage over "normal" ships and people will just make multiple fleets to have many of them on the field. Also... why do so many people seem to have this fetish with "one super special 'bawss' ship that leads all the others"?? Weren't Titans supposed to fill this position in the first place and then people started to build them en mass and spam them.... resulting in nerf after nerf to them? Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
Abdiel Kavash Paladin Order Fidelas Constans 1758	Posted - 2013.11.13 21:39:00 - [10] - Quote If only there was some special class of these "command ships", which would give additional bonuses to the entire fleet. Give them a big tank bonus so that they're not so easily killed. Perhaps battlecruiser-sized.
Jarod Garamonde Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 689	Posted - 2013.11.13 21:41:00 - [11] - Quote Thaddeus Eggeras wrote: Wouldn't it be fun if New Eden fleets had flagships? I'm not talking about a new class of ships. More ilike n every fleet, one ship could be picked to be the flagship for that fleet. It would get unique bonues, plus maybe give unique fleet bonuses depending on the ship class. Input please. headdeskheaddeskheaddeskheaddeskheaddeskheaddeskheaddeskheaddeskheaddesk headdeskheaddeskheaddeskheaddeskheaddeskheaddeskheaddeskheaddeskheaddesk headdeskheaddeskheaddeskheaddeskheaddeskheaddeskheaddeskheaddeskheaddesk That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...
Rekkr Nordgard The Ardency of Faith Filthy Bastards 174	Posted - 2013.11.13 22:02:00 - [12] - Quote There have been some good discussions about a possible T2 Battleship class of command ships, "flagships" if you will, however the way you describe it - no, hard no.
Thaddeus Eggeras TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 71	Posted - 2013.11.13 22:04:00 - [13] - Quote I don't want a super special ship, I'm looking for what most EVERY fleet in human history has always had, and that is a flagship. I don't care if it's just a ship with a special over view lable, or a ship that also gets special bonuses and gives it's fleet special bonuses. If these makes it so their are more fleets per battle, so what, that only makes for me interesting battles, and a new way for large fleets to engage.
Iudicium Vastus Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 157	Posted - 2013.11.13 22:11:00 - [14] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: Give it any tangible advantage over "normal" ships and people will just make multiple fleets to have many of them on the field. Also... why do so many people seem to have this fetish with "one super special 'bawss' ship that leads all the others"?? Weren't Titans supposed to fill this position in the first place and then people started to build them en mass and spam them.... resulting in nerf after nerf to them? Just too bad they're so rarely committed to battle. Maybe if the other talks in F&I like making anything bridging also have to jump come to more light and notice we can get that happening.
RubyPorto SniggWaffe WAFFLES. 4299	Posted - 2013.11.13 22:34:00 - [15] - Quote If only there were some skills which, if the pilot in a position of leadership in the fleet had them trained, would provide the fleet with some special bonuses... "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon d-£-ó¦¦¦º-ó-ê¦ª¦¦e¦¦-í-ë-í-ó¦¦¦+¦¦¦»-ö¦+b-¥¦º¦¦¦¦¦½¦¦-ö-ëa-Å¦+-¥¦í¦+-à-à¦ñc¦ó-á¦í-ƒ¦«¦½¦Ö¦¦¦á-ò-çl-Ç¦¢-ü¦+-û¦ƒ¦¦-ô-ë-Ö-ô¦Ñ-ô¦¬¦½e¦+¦¿¦ù¦¦¦ÿ¦ù¦Ñ¦¼-ò-ê¦½¦¦¦+¦+-ö¦¦-à¦á¦ú¦ÿ
Thaddeus Eggeras TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 71	Posted - 2013.11.13 22:52:00 - [16] - Quote Like in Leadership flagship was a skill to train also, I like it
Tauranon Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 321	Posted - 2013.11.13 22:59:00 - [17] - Quote Thaddeus Eggeras wrote: Like in Leadership flagship was a skill to train also, I like it The skill already exists. Search for "command ships". Specialised flag ships already exist, see eos and damnation for armor examples - which give extra bonuses to leadership skills. They also have some of the best tanks on subcaps in the game, should you brick them.
Thaddeus Eggeras TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 71	Posted - 2013.11.13 23:04:00 - [18] - Quote Those are command ships, not "flagships" flagships would be more a ship only the fleet commander can have, no one else in fleet, and can be any ship in EVE. It would get a defense bonus for the ship it's self, and a unique bonuses for the whole fleet depending on which type of class you the using. It would be a new skill in leadership you'd have to train up to get also. And depending how high the flagship skill is and the size of the fleet would depend how much the bonus to fleet helped.
Plug in Baby Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber 31	Posted - 2013.11.13 23:32:00 - [19] - Quote Thaddeus Eggeras wrote: And depending how high the flagship skill is and the size of the fleet would depend how much the bonus to fleet helped. Dude you only have a T3 booster alt for solo PVP? I solo PVP in my flagship with 100 trial alts in fleet. +100% tank bonus +20% damage This is not a forum alt, this is a forum main.
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 8553	Posted - 2013.11.13 23:36:00 - [20] - Quote The fleets I'm in tend to always have a flagship. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Tauranon Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 322	Posted - 2013.11.13 23:47:00 - [21] - Quote baltec1 wrote: The fleets I'm in tend to always have a flagship. No doubt a megathron on a frigate roam would look much like a flagship to an outside observer :)
Thaddeus Eggeras TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 71	Posted - 2013.11.13 23:55:00 - [22] - Quote Well if this happened then your "flagship" would also help your fleet out much more.
RubyPorto SniggWaffe WAFFLES. 4299	Posted - 2013.11.13 23:56:00 - [23] - Quote Thaddeus Eggeras wrote: Like in Leadership skills flagship was a skill to train also, I like it. Pro-Tip: Leadership skills already exist. They make the ship of whatever pilot is in a leadership position provide certain bonuses to their fleet. .... just like you're asking for. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon d-£-ó¦¦¦º-ó-ê¦ª¦¦e¦¦-í-ë-í-ó¦¦¦+¦¦¦»-ö¦+b-¥¦º¦¦¦¦¦½¦¦-ö-ëa-Å¦+-¥¦í¦+-à-à¦ñc¦ó-á¦í-ƒ¦«¦½¦Ö¦¦¦á-ò-çl-Ç¦¢-ü¦+-û¦ƒ¦¦-ô-ë-Ö-ô¦Ñ-ô¦¬¦½e¦+¦¿¦ù¦¦¦ÿ¦ù¦Ñ¦¼-ò-ê¦½¦¦¦+¦+-ö¦¦-à¦á¦ú¦ÿ
Noriko Satomi Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 202	Posted - 2013.11.14 00:03:00 - [24] - Quote The new Flagship high slot module projects an aura of leadership around the ship it is fitted to... which looks suspiciously like a tutu.
Thaddeus Eggeras TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 71	Posted - 2013.11.14 00:19:00 - [25] - Quote Quote: Pro-Tip: Leadership skills already exist. They make the ship of whatever pilot is in a leadership position provide certain bonuses to their fleet. True, but the bonuses aren;tspecific for each ship class. This effect you are talking about would still work for the squad and wing commanders. The flagship idea would be that EVER class ship would have a unigue bonus they would give to the whole fleet, but you can only have one ship as a flagship per fleet, and only the fleet command can be in the flagship. So you could have your command ships and T3s give thier bonus, and the squad and wing give theirs and then the fleet commander would have a flag ship that gives unigue bonuses only that ship class of ship give out. So it would make big battles more interesting. Now in big fights you could have a whole different fleet for Logi, with a flagship that gives a bonus for logi . And same with the combat ships, Ewar ships, and so on. Depending on the size of the fleet and how high the flagship skill is trained dictates on how much the ships bonus helps out the fleet. Also if the fleet commander is killed and drops fleet, someone can replace him, but I think there should be a timer for them to be able to make their ship the new flag ship.
Xavier Higdon Wolfbane Hauler Inc 99	Posted - 2013.11.14 00:19:00 - [26] - Quote I will support this only if the loss of a flagship "breaks morale" of the other fleet member, causing major targeting and to-hit debuffs. After all, flagships generally house the command staff of a fleet and so destroying it would leave the remaining fleet members without leadership. +1 For all barely thought out ideas! A proud member of Wolfbane Hauler Inc. We are currently recruiting pilots of all skill levels. We need both industrial combat specialists. For more information see our ad:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3764273&#post3764273
Thaddeus Eggeras TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 71	Posted - 2013.11.14 00:31:00 - [27] - Quote Xavier Higdon, I like that idea, something like whatever bonus the flagship gave to the fleet, if it's destroyed the fleet get's a negative effect now. I do think the negative effect should have a timer, just like being able to replace the flagship with a new flagship should have a timer. Maybe the timers be the same for both 1min to 5mins. So when someone can replace the old flagship with a new one it takes off the negative effect also.
RubyPorto SniggWaffe WAFFLES. 4300	Posted - 2013.11.14 01:17:00 - [28] - Quote Thaddeus Eggeras wrote: True, but the bonuses aren;tspecific for each ship class. Sure they are. Most ships just have the same bonuses. Quote: The flagship idea would be that EVER class ship would have a unigue bonus they would give to the whole fleet, but you can only have one ship as a flagship per fleet, and only the fleet command can be in the flagship. You get that the FC of a fleet and the character in the Fleet Command slot are generally different people, right? Quote: So it would make big battles more interesting. How does having bigger numbers make things more interesting? Quote: Now in big fights you could have a whole different fleet for Logi Ahhahaha. So you've never flown logi before, I guess. Quote: Depending on the size of the fleet and how high the flagship skill is trained dictates on how much the ships bonus helps out the fleet. Also if the fleet commander is killed and drops fleet, someone can replace him, but I think there should be a timer for them to be able to make their ship the new flag ship. You are literally describing how command ships already work here. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon d-£-ó¦¦¦º-ó-ê¦ª¦¦e¦¦-í-ë-í-ó¦¦¦+¦¦¦»-ö¦+b-¥¦º¦¦¦¦¦½¦¦-ö-ëa-Å¦+-¥¦í¦+-à-à¦ñc¦ó-á¦í-ƒ¦«¦½¦Ö¦¦¦á-ò-çl-Ç¦¢-ü¦+-û¦ƒ¦¦-ô-ë-Ö-ô¦Ñ-ô¦¬¦½e¦+¦¿¦ù¦¦¦ÿ¦ù¦Ñ¦¼-ò-ê¦½¦¦¦+¦+-ö¦¦-à¦á¦ú¦ÿ
Thaddeus Eggeras TwoTenX LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 71	Posted - 2013.11.14 01:51:00 - [29] - Quote This is more for every ship class would have a speical bonus, only it gave if it was a flagship. Like maybe Logis would give longer range, or give the fleet smaller sign rad, or something. AF could give better tracking and/or optimal range. It's alljust an idea to give EVE something new, and maybe change how engagment work slightly. All just an idea. I don't care if the Fc and the Fleet Command are different, that doesn't matter A gate camp or small roam wouldn't need more then one fleet, maybe 2 if this happened, but big fleets would prob want a fleet now just for logi, one just for the combat, one for just the Ewar, one for just the bubbliers and tackle, as each ship class would have it's own bonus, you'd want the class that helped that type of ship out most for your flagship I know logis have different fleets sometimes, but now you could have a fleet commander that also gives bonuses just for logi ships. No I'm not, command ships do what I'm saying, but this would be a ship that you don't add a command module, just being in that ship type and making it a flagship would give the fleet a bonus.
Tauranon Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 322	Posted - 2013.11.14 03:45:00 - [30] - Quote The loleos era, is probably worth your consideration. (ie the 5 years where nobody flew an eos because the damnation had a better bonus, and the eos had been nerfed from its early solowtfpwnmobile status).

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