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elitatwo
Congregatio
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Posted - 2013.11.14 21:54:00 -
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An interesting question which I am asking myself lately and it seems that it can be quite tricky to answer.
Opinion differ, tastes differ and it appears that the matter in question seems to have no clear answer. So instead of answering the question, I like to make a query of your thoughts about the matter.
There is no right or wrong answer, just your opinions about this topic.
And just to be clear, I am not a 'good' pvper and I never claimed I was.
Thank you in advance for your input,
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Stop drafting mah posts.. |
Mel Function
Carebears On Crack
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Posted - 2013.11.14 22:48:00 -
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Can probably put it in one word: Experience |
Taoist Dragon
Bastion of Mad Behaviour
677
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Posted - 2013.11.14 22:51:00 -
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Having fun,
Not giving a shite about KB stats, K/D ratios etc
Being able to pick a fight and know what actually when on during the fight and identify why if was won or lost.
Looking boody damn handsome (like me  )
That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything.
http://taoistdragon.blogspot.com.au/ |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1686
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Posted - 2013.11.14 23:02:00 -
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Ability to post ascii art in local. |
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings
Point Blank Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.14 23:15:00 -
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Technical piloting skill, knowledge of ships and fits, knowledge of environment and likely opponents, aggression, situational awareness, and metaphorical balls. |
God's Apples
AQUILA INC
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Posted - 2013.11.14 23:23:00 -
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You should ask chessur |
Chi Garu
Dos Dedos Inc
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Posted - 2013.11.14 23:23:00 -
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Winning against the odds and playing one move ahead of the competition, forcing errors. Applies to both individuals and teams. |
ZheoTheThird
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
151
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Posted - 2013.11.14 23:28:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Ability to post ascii art in local.
Show me where the TESTies touched you
Completely honest? KBstats. They are everything. |
Aslon Seridith
Biohazard.
WINMATAR.
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Posted - 2013.11.14 23:37:00 -
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Shadow Adanza
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.11.14 23:42:00 -
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Killmails and enjoyment. Oh, and I'm obligated by being in QCats to say BC points, as well.
Hey! You're no zombie! |
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Starbuck05
The Mjolnir Bloc
Talons Of Blood
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Posted - 2013.11.15 00:30:00 -
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information
-á- I am the commanding officer , u should adress me as sir !
-á- But if i call u sir , what would i call your wife then ?? |
elitatwo
Congregatio
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Posted - 2013.11.15 00:38:00 -
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Keep 'em coming.
Thank you!
Stop drafting mah posts.. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2013.11.15 00:40:00 -
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ZheoTheThird wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Ability to post ascii art in local. Show me where the TESTies touched you Completely honest? KBstats. They are everything.
I said nothing about TEST. If I was trying to be specific to TEST, I would have said
"Ability to post ascii art of angry turtleheads in local and then trying to convince everybody it's a dinosaur" |
Chessur
Strontless Mistakes
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2013.11.15 00:50:00 -
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I have a blog post on this toipc exactly. For the TL;DR its basically this: People who are good at PvP generally fly ships that have a large engagement profile. Flying ships like these, speaks to the pilots ability to play the meta- and allows the pilot to engage many of the fleets / ships he or she comes across.
http://evestealthbomber.blogspot.com/2013/07/what-makes-good-eve-pvper.html |
elitatwo
Congregatio
154
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Posted - 2013.11.15 00:51:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:
I said nothing about TEST. If I was trying to be specific to TEST, I would have said
"Ability to post ascii art of angry turtleheads in local and then trying to convince everybody it's a dinosaur"
Hey I thought that too..
Stop drafting mah posts.. |
Robert Lefcourt
Audentia et Artis
E.B.O.L.A.
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Posted - 2013.11.15 04:07:00 -
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Know yourself and the enemy. Always have situational awareness. |
ZheoTheThird
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
151
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Posted - 2013.11.15 06:26:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:ZheoTheThird wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Ability to post ascii art in local. Show me where the TESTies touched you Completely honest? KBstats. They are everything. I said nothing about TEST. If I was trying to be specific to TEST, I would have said "Ability to post ascii art of angry turtleheads in local and then trying to convince everybody it's a dinosaur"
I agree, but we've been using this since the dawn of time. Still though, why don't you just appreciate the artistic value of this? All I ever see from galmil is either some crappy ms paint corp logo - or ascii taken from our wiki. Step it up |
Pookoko
Sigma Sagittarii Inc.
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Posted - 2013.11.15 07:54:00 -
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Very difficult question, because normally when we say 'good' at something we think of it as being high skilled/having high proficiency at and deep understanding of the activity concerned.
So normally we measure how 'good' someone is by how much they 'win' (e.g. the best team in a league is the team with the most wins).
But as you may have anticipated already, even in football league you often hear fans say 'team X won the league but they were not the best team'. Quantitatively this is wrong, but such is the sentiments of football fans at times - win/loss ratio and numbers don't tell the whole story about quality of someone/team.
And now, think about EvE. After all, it is a game. What is the purpose of a game? For some people the purpose is to win, for them, the kill/loss ratio or isk won/lost, or territory gained/lost, strategic location control won/lost and all these things would define a 'good' pvper and be a measurement of one's matery of the game.
However, of course there are people who think the purpose of a game is 'to have fun'. For them, a 'good' game is where you had your fun & enjoyment, although you may have lost that game (like a football team can play a really good game and still lose the match).
So a 'good' pvper can be someone who 'wins', regardless of methods used, or someone who had 'fun' regardless of win or loss.
It is difficult to compare two players' abilities if they are each going for different goals.
I guess at the end of the day though, it all boils down to how successful you are at achieving your goal. For someone who enjoys a good brawl, win or lose, is a 'winner' if he gets the fight he wants and goes down in flames. But if the same person got blobbed and jammed to death without a single shot fired, then that's definitely a fail - he did something wrong to be in that situation and didn't get the fun brawl he wanted.
Long winded story cut short - maybe this means a good pvper is someone that has a knack for finding kind of fights he wants? |
Job Valador
Super Moose Defence Force
Mortem Sigil
336
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Posted - 2013.11.15 08:29:00 -
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the one who has something to fight for. that guy is in for the long haul.
"The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement." |
Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
39
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Posted - 2013.11.15 10:30:00 -
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Ability to achieve mission objective. |
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Chi Garu
Dos Dedos Inc
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Posted - 2013.11.15 10:55:00 -
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Pookoko wrote:
I guess at the end of the day though, it all boils down to how successful you are at achieving your goal. For someone who enjoys a good brawl, win or lose, is a 'winner' if he gets the fight he wants and goes down in flames. But if the same person got blobbed and jammed to death without a single shot fired, then that's definitely a fail - he did something wrong to be in that situation and didn't get the fun brawl he wanted.
Long winded story cut short - maybe this means a good pvper is someone that has a knack for finding kind of fights he wants?
I agree with you in principle but do you not think the scope of ambition also defines the quality of the player? I think perhaps a good pvper needs to be not just successful in his chosen arena, but must also test the limits of what can be done there in.
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Baali Tekitsu
B0SSAURA
xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
390
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Posted - 2013.11.15 11:11:00 -
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Pookoko wrote:
I guess at the end of the day though, it all boils down to how successful you are at achieving your goal. For someone who enjoys a good brawl, win or lose, is a 'winner' if he gets the fight he wants and goes down in flames. But if the same person got blobbed and jammed to death without a single shot fired, then that's definitely a fail - he did something wrong to be in that situation and didn't get the fun brawl he wanted.
Long winded story cut short - maybe this means a good pvper is someone that has a knack for finding kind of fights he wants?
Yes and no.
The line between what youve described and being a risk averse **** who only undocks with multiple links alts, suicide triage and falcons is very thin. Especially that bottom line describes almost exactly this type of players.
I think a good pvper is who can make the best of a given situation and doesnt lose his head because of that 200 man Caracal fleet landing on grid. But this has more to do with PvP skills rather then being a good PvPer so I cant answer that question precisely.
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
1671
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Posted - 2013.11.15 11:31:00 -
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This game is 40% intelligence, 40% experience and 20% skill.
BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Caldari State Capturing
553
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Posted - 2013.11.15 12:27:00 -
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I'm going to go with beer, i swear you pvp better with it.
Project Cerberus is recruiting for the US Timezone, click here |
Machiavelli's Nemesis
Angry Mustellid
351
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Posted - 2013.11.15 12:35:00 -
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Sartorial elegance and erudition.
The boot with which you stamp on your opponent's face should always be made of the finest leather and protected by spats. Gentlemens' apparel and evening wear should be mandatory whenever you find occasion to undock. |
Pookoko
Sigma Sagittarii Inc.
40
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Posted - 2013.11.15 13:20:00 -
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Hm i guess i was thinking a bit too ideally. I was thinking more along the line of someone getting good fights win or lose, but yes, it is true that there are totally risk averse players who don't face any challenge, and it would be weird to call them good PvPers :p |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1689
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Posted - 2013.11.15 14:07:00 -
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ZheoTheThird wrote: All I ever see from galmil is either some crappy ms paint corp logo - or ascii taken from our wiki. Step it up This is why you're pro at pvp and we suck. We can't do ascii art like you.
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elitatwo
Congregatio
154
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Posted - 2013.11.15 14:19:00 -
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Pookoko wrote:Hm i guess i was thinking a bit too ideally. I was thinking more along the line of someone getting good fights win or lose, but yes, it is true that there are totally risk averse players who don't face any challenge, and it would be weird to call them good PvPers :p
For me it doesn't really matter if my ship goes down in flames when I get a really good fight.
To be honest, it took me about five years to 'learn' to loose a ship in the first place without getting a tamper tantrum and learn something from it.
Not that I wasn't interested in pvping, just the notion of loosing something that I spent a lot of time in getting wasn't appealing at first.
Fast forwarding five years and reading alot here and some blogs along the road there still is no thrill like going out there all by myself with no intel or links and whatnot and playing the danger game.
Everytime I'm out there I make the same observations and some new ones, most of you will know what I mean 
I have my own opinions about the matter and I am happy to see that my views are not as far fetched as I tought they would be.
Stop drafting mah posts.. |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Samurai Pizza Cats
483
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Posted - 2013.11.15 14:55:00 -
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It's 80% experience, 10% confidence, 13.5% illicit drugs.
It also helps if your head isn't up your own ass.
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
1671
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Posted - 2013.11.15 15:34:00 -
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Princess Nexxala wrote:It's 80% experience, 10% confidence, 13.5% illicit drugs.
It also helps if your head isn't up your own ass.
There is a lot of really experienced players that are also really bad though..
So i think the no-head-up-your-ass thing is pretty important.
BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
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