Ability to post ascii art in local.

Show me where the TESTies touched you
Completely honest? KBstats. They are everything.

I said nothing about TEST. If I was trying to be specific to TEST, I would have said

"Ability to post ascii art of angry turtleheads in local and then trying to convince everybody it's a dinosaur"

I said nothing about TEST. If I was trying to be specific to TEST, I would have said

"Ability to post ascii art of angry turtleheads in local and then trying to convince everybody it's a dinosaur"

I guess at the end of the day though, it all boils down to how successful you are at achieving your goal. For someone who enjoys a good brawl, win or lose, is a 'winner' if he gets the fight he wants and goes down in flames. But if the same person got blobbed and jammed to death without a single shot fired, then that's definitely a fail - he did something wrong to be in that situation and didn't get the fun brawl he wanted.

Long winded story cut short - maybe this means a good pvper is someone that has a knack for finding kind of fights he wants?

I guess at the end of the day though, it all boils down to how successful you are at achieving your goal. For someone who enjoys a good brawl, win or lose, is a 'winner' if he gets the fight he wants and goes down in flames. But if the same person got blobbed and jammed to death without a single shot fired, then that's definitely a fail - he did something wrong to be in that situation and didn't get the fun brawl he wanted.

Long winded story cut short - maybe this means a good pvper is someone that has a knack for finding kind of fights he wants?

All I ever see from galmil is either some crappy ms paint corp logo - or ascii taken from our wiki. Step it up

Hm i guess i was thinking a bit too ideally. I was thinking more along the line of someone getting good fights win or lose, but yes, it is true that there are totally risk averse players who don't face any challenge, and it would be weird to call them good PvPers :p

It's 80% experience, 10% confidence, 13.5% illicit drugs.

It also helps if your head isn't up your own ass.

I have a blog post on this toipc exactly. For the TL;DR its basically this: People who are good at PvP generally fly ships that have a large engagement profile. Flying ships like these, speaks to the pilots ability to play the meta- and allows the pilot to engage many of the fleets / ships he or she comes across.

http://evestealthbomber.blogspot.com/2013/07/what-makes-good-eve-pvper.html

Hg pirate set, links, high bc rank, only pvps in high sec.

Aww Gorski,
you should know better..
I don't use any of those. I'm to cheap for that and even if I was considering them, my wallet stares at me and says 'no'.

When I went out my first time, I took my Moa and only had antimatter m loaded and I thought my ship would explode before I even fire one shot.
She didn't and everything I killed was more expensive than my ship, successful roam.

I was being ironic and not specifically thinking about anyone/you. I do not think that there is one universally good way to measure who is a good pvper and who isn't because it doesn't matter. Also how the **** can you be poor and in fw? When I did fw I was pretty much swimming in enough isk to fit rf webs on my t1 frigs.

Hg pirate set, links, high bc rank, only pvps in high sec.

Thats the spirit
linked condor with falcon alt all day erry day

Here's the answer to the unasked question: In your opinion, what makes a pvper 'good metagamer'?

• blue everyone that is a threat
• multiple scout
• multiple neutral alts (rr, ecm, cyno, etc.)
• at least loki links, legion or tengu, and proteus preferred
• blingy pirate faction ships since you have blued everyone that is a threat
• K/D copmletely relevant (in other words you are a **** pvper if you take any losses)
• isk efficiency (in other words you are a **** pvper with less than 99% efficiency)
• acknoledges everyone when they say _________ ship/fit sucks **** at pvp and spends months on the dev server figuring out exactly which comps beat which comps so as not to risk a loss
• never tries experimental fits to avoid having their pending lossmail make them look insane
• always gloats about their experimental fit wtfpwning something it shouldn't have.
• engages nothing that could possibly cause them to lose isk efficiency or K/D ratio
• panicks when the inevitable **** HITS THE FAN
• gloats
• smacks with no class while spamming pictures when they lose a ship because their metagame didn't work
• has over than 99% efficiency
• kills some ships
• loses no ships
• kills people they should never die to
• dies to blob and links die to because they were panicking
• has no clue whey they win engagements
• rage quits and buys another alt when they lose an engagement
• expects the limited engagements they actually engage in to have them come out on top
• sues their ISP if they die from external factors at some point (disconnect)
• cannot die from blob, cyno, ewar, at some point because of many scouting alts. more alts, more alts.
• cannot believe if they die at some point and rage quits
• knows who Santo Trafficante is and will self explode RL pod if they lose their 5bil hg snake set
• doesn't like to fleet because that takes away from meta game and requires embracing mmo
• doesn't like to fleet because that takes away from meta game and requires embracing mmo
• doesn't like to fleet because that takes away from meta game and requires embracing mmo
• doesn't like to fleet because that takes away from meta game and requires embracing mmo

A good PVPer doesnt ***** about getting ECM'd, TD'd, or engaged by a larger force when they chose to fight. They also are accepting of the fact that being boosted is part of the intended mechanics of the game, and that the entire point of EVE is to balance things in your favor while denying your opponent the equal ground. There is no such thing as a "fair fight". Its just a "fight."

A good PVPer will make mistakes, and learn from them rather than complain about how so and so mechanic needs to be changed to accommodate their play style.

A good PVPer also knows that skillpoints only matter in relation to the ship they are flying and the ship their target has. (Meaning if you fight someone with 20 mil SP in industry, it has no bearing on a 1v1 in merlins..)

Just my two cents.

What makes a "good" PvPer seems like about as pointless a debate as who is a "real" pirate.

My intention here was to gather information and opinions and not to discuss them.

Sunglasses are what makes a pvper good.

<------- If you see these 3 in a fleet. Run the other way.

So True

So True

Do my gogglez count?

Do my gogglez count?

You need a monocle scrub.

Winning against the odds and playing one move ahead of the competition, forcing errors. Applies to both individuals and teams.

that!

Didn't work for you at the AT did it

rekt

I don't quite disagree but I want to clarify something.

If you are talking about a single opponent that is going against a small gang in let's say a battlecruiser or even a battleship for arguments sake and the gang decides to jam him, the outcome is already decided.

The gang is retreating and makes sure, they win.

Weapons are only fired from one side, only the soloers ship is destroyed.

When I talk about a fight, I don't care much about tracking disruptors or dampners and still weapons fire is exchanged by both parties, good fight.
Even if I were to loose my boat in the end to superior force, both parties will agree they have had a good fight.

If I jump into a 20 man bomber gang and a Falcon decloaks and jams me, the outcome is decided without any option to change the outcome. (And if you don't have the intel what you will face in the next system something like this might happen).

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A very interesting question, but a quick glance at any ones KB will quickly tell you if they are 'good' or not.

- Knows how to fly individually while still in a fleet.

Do my gogglez count?

- Knows how to fly individually while still in a fleet.

If we couldn't afford a 2nd lens and frames - we would wear your peasant fashions too.

You're a moron. If you have 1 kill per every 2 losses you're probably ignorant of game mechanics and **** at picking engagements. The same goes with isk efficiency. According to you fitting faction mods and ships(even if a 5% increase costs 200 times more) are cheating which means you fly t1 ships with t2 fits and still on average can't kill 1/3 of your ship's value per life.

Using links is not the mark of a bad pvper. Maybe if you're into ~honorable~ frig 1 v 1, but when you're fighting 1 or 2 vs 20, links give you a way larger engagement profile. I'm not really sure how having an isk efficiency of less than 90% makes you good. Or really how having one higher automatically makes you a filthy blobber when in fact you're just saying this because you're terrible.

I think the most hilarious thing in this post is how you think that flying faction ships make you bad. Just because you fly something more expensive than most can afford I'm not really sure how it automatically makes you a terrible. Half of this post is decent, but half of it is pure bull **** that when you become less terrible will be apparent to you.

I have a blog post on this toipc exactly. For the TL;DR its basically this: People who are good at PvP generally fly ships that have a large engagement profile. Flying ships like these, speaks to the pilots ability to play the meta- and allows the pilot to engage many of the fleets / ships he or she comes across.

http://evestealthbomber.blogspot.com/2013/07/what-makes-good-eve-pvper.html

You're a moron. If you have 1 kill per every 2 losses you're probably ignorant of game mechanics and **** at picking engagements. The same goes with isk efficiency. According to you fitting faction mods and ships(even if a 5% increase costs 200 times more) are cheating which means you fly t1 ships with t2 fits and still on average can't kill 1/3 of your ship's value per life.

Using links is not the mark of a bad pvper. Maybe if you're into ~honorable~ frig 1 v 1, but when you're fighting 1 or 2 vs 20, links give you a way larger engagement profile. I'm not really sure how having an isk efficiency of less than 90% makes you good. Or really how having one higher automatically makes you a filthy blobber when in fact you're just saying this because you're terrible.

I think the most hilarious thing in this post is how you think that flying faction ships make you bad. Just because you fly something more expensive than most can afford I'm not really sure how it automatically makes you a terrible. Half of this post is decent, but half of it is pure bull **** that when you become less terrible will be apparent to you.

You're a moron. If you have 1 kill per every 2 losses you're probably ignorant of game mechanics and **** at picking engagements. The same goes with isk efficiency. According to you fitting faction mods and ships(even if a 5% increase costs 200 times more) are cheating which means you fly t1 ships with t2 fits and still on average can't kill 1/3 of your ship's value per life.

Using links is not the mark of a bad pvper. Maybe if you're into ~honorable~ frig 1 v 1, but when you're fighting 1 or 2 vs 20, links give you a way larger engagement profile. I'm not really sure how having an isk efficiency of less than 90% makes you good. Or really how having one higher automatically makes you a filthy blobber when in fact you're just saying this because you're terrible.

I think the most hilarious thing in this post is how you think that flying faction ships make you bad. Just because you fly something more expensive than most can afford I'm not really sure how it automatically makes you a terrible. Half of this post is decent, but half of it is pure bull **** that when you become less terrible will be apparent to you.

According to you fitting faction mods and ships(even if a 5% increase costs 200 times more) are cheating which means you fly t1 ships with t2 fits and still on average can't kill 1/3 of your ship's value per life.

Using links is not the mark of a bad pvper. Maybe if you're into ~honorable~ frig 1 v 1, but when you're fighting 1 or 2 vs 20, links give you a way larger engagement profile.

I'm not really sure how having an isk efficiency of less than 90% makes you good. Or really how having one higher automatically makes you a filthy blobber when in fact you're just saying this because you're terrible.

I think the most hilarious thing in this post is how you think that flying faction ships make you bad.

Just because you fly something more expensive than most can afford I'm not really sure how it automatically makes you a terrible.

Being able to kill people when your friends are not around. There are a lot of so called elite pvprs with 60 to 1 k/d ratios or higher but not a single kill ever made solo. Have even seen people with 1000+ kills and less than 50 losses and I doubt they could fight their way out of an ibis gank.

A good pver will not always have a good kill board, they'll have good kills.

Also I don't say this intending to suggest I'm particularly great I generally suck at PvP :)

This, ladies and gentleman, is a pure #elitepvp pro! And he doesnt even wear sunglasses of +2 badassery (tm)!

I see you posting a lot, but im not sure if you are a troll...

You talk a lot about solo PvP, but when checking your killboard all one can see you do is blapping frigs in a fotm cerb...

Killboard stats means nothing by themselves.
Proof: I haz gr8 kb, i sux.

Yeah the number 1 on battleclinic atm has about 50 : 1 kill death vs MTUs

Not fotm anymore how u like the reload time?

What kind of frigs are you flying that take 16 Cerb RL volleys on the chin?

Killboard stats means nothing by themselves.
Proof: I haz gr8 kb, i sux.