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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
658
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Posted - 2013.11.19 04:22:00 -
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Liam Inkuras wrote:Taoist Dragon wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:Sunglasses are what makes a pvper good. <------- If you see these 3 in a fleet. Run the other way. So True Do my gogglez count?
Yes goggles count.
That is why X Gal still hasn't put his back on.
If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me. Now don't judge or question. You are broken now, but faith can heal you. Just do everything I tell you to do. (Opiate - Tool) |
Baali Tekitsu
B0SSAURA xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
403
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Posted - 2013.11.19 06:09:00 -
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Liam Inkuras wrote:Taoist Dragon wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:Sunglasses are what makes a pvper good. <------- If you see these 3 in a fleet. Run the other way. So True Do my gogglez count?
You need a monocle scrub. RATE LIKE SUBSCRIBE |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
658
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Posted - 2013.11.19 06:45:00 -
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Baali Tekitsu wrote:Liam Inkuras wrote:Taoist Dragon wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:Sunglasses are what makes a pvper good. <------- If you see these 3 in a fleet. Run the other way. So True Do my gogglez count? You need a monocle scrub.
If we couldn't afford a 2nd lens and frames - we would wear your peasant fashions too.
If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me. Now don't judge or question. You are broken now, but faith can heal you. Just do everything I tell you to do. (Opiate - Tool) |
Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
13
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Posted - 2013.11.19 11:51:00 -
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Chi Garu wrote:Winning against the odds and playing one move ahead of the competition, forcing errors. Applies to both individuals and teams.
that! |
ZheoTheThird
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
170
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Posted - 2013.11.19 12:24:00 -
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Mabego Tetrimon wrote:Chi Garu wrote:Winning against the odds and playing one move ahead of the competition, forcing errors. Applies to both individuals and teams. that! Didn't work for you at the AT did it
rekt |
Mabego Tetrimon
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
13
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Posted - 2013.11.19 12:42:00 -
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ZheoTheThird wrote:Mabego Tetrimon wrote:Chi Garu wrote:Winning against the odds and playing one move ahead of the competition, forcing errors. Applies to both individuals and teams. that! Didn't work for you at the AT did it rekt
Yeah, you had a good team there, and i respect that. |
Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
155
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Posted - 2013.11.19 14:39:00 -
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elitatwo wrote:Leto Thule wrote:A good PVPer doesnt ***** about getting ECM'd, TD'd, or engaged by a larger force when they chose to fight. They also are accepting of the fact that being boosted is part of the intended mechanics of the game, and that the entire point of EVE is to balance things in your favor while denying your opponent the equal ground. There is no such thing as a "fair fight". Its just a "fight." A good PVPer will make mistakes, and learn from them rather than complain about how so and so mechanic needs to be changed to accommodate their play style. A good PVPer also knows that skillpoints only matter in relation to the ship they are flying and the ship their target has. (Meaning if you fight someone with 20 mil SP in industry, it has no bearing on a 1v1 in merlins..) Just my two cents. I don't quite disagree but I want to clarify something. If you are talking about a single opponent that is going against a small gang in let's say a battlecruiser or even a battleship for arguments sake and the gang decides to jam him, the outcome is already decided. The gang is retreating and makes sure, they win. Weapons are only fired from one side, only the soloers ship is destroyed. When I talk about a fight, I don't care much about tracking disruptors or dampners and still weapons fire is exchanged by both parties, good fight. Even if I were to loose my boat in the end to superior force, both parties will agree they have had a good fight. If I jump into a 20 man bomber gang and a Falcon decloaks and jams me, the outcome is decided without any option to change the outcome. (And if you don't have the intel what you will face in the next system something like this might happen).
Thats true... but ill say this:
If you live in lowsec, you become familiar with the gangs that roam in your home area. While this will obviously not help you 100% of the time, for the most part you know who flys with boosters and ECM ships. You know what pilots use drugs from fighting them. The best choice when something like this comes through is NOT to show up to the party by yourself, much less in a battleship. Target selection is always key. Again, not always going to be true, but something to consider when deciding when to fight.
Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/ |
Maximus Decimal
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
21
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Posted - 2013.11.19 17:02:00 -
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Aslon Seridith wrote:Join fweddit da **** bro....
A very interesting question, but a quick glance at any ones KB will quickly tell you if they are 'good' or not.
My personal view
Solo - judgment, understanding mechanics and the capabilities of your ship, knowing when to pull out (inb4 thats what she said) Fleet - ability to follow orders, initiative.
The one thing that makes a good PvPer and it is a universal rule because in PvP time is everything
HOTKEYS - if you don't use them you will never be as good as you can. |
Leto Thule
Sons of Retribution
156
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Posted - 2013.11.19 18:27:00 -
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Maximus Decimal wrote: A very interesting question, but a quick glance at any ones KB will quickly tell you if they are 'good' or not.
Not true sir. A green killboard can be attained by any pilot flying in a blob that only warps to target and hits F1. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/ |
Platypus King
Doughboys Shadow Cartel
12
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Posted - 2013.11.19 19:09:00 -
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You just gotta come up with gimmicks and counters. Something's counter a lot of things some things don't. Also instead of picking fights set them up. When the fight comes to youl you have more time for reaction. |
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch OLD MAN GANG
589
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Posted - 2013.11.21 08:18:00 -
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Good player
- know how game works - can adapt to new things and changes fast - have fun , it is game after all - read patch notes
Bad player
- set low goals that are easily achieved (example: go to pvp and explode, have fun) - no idea how game works but still try to do most complex things and does not even learn - sticks to old methods even those are not working anymore
Anyway you can have fun even you are bad player. |
Baron' Soontir Fel
Justified Chaos
81
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Posted - 2013.11.22 00:38:00 -
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- Knows how to fly individually while still in a fleet. |
Sean Parisi
Fugutive Task Force A T O N E M E N T
381
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Posted - 2013.11.22 03:52:00 -
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Baron' Soontir Fel wrote:- Knows how to fly individually while still in a fleet.
Someone isn't a conformist. Edgy. |
Hadrian Blackstone
Outward Explorations
0
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Posted - 2013.11.22 06:24:00 -
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Liam Inkuras wrote:Taoist Dragon wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:Sunglasses are what makes a pvper good. <------- If you see these 3 in a fleet. Run the other way. So True Do my gogglez count?
In my experience goggles make you an even more formidable opponent. |
Baali Tekitsu
B0SSAURA xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
415
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Posted - 2013.11.22 08:30:00 -
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Baron' Soontir Fel wrote:- Knows how to fly individually while still in a fleet. You mean like splitting up your guns and maximum killmail whoring? RATE LIKE SUBSCRIBE |
Dan Carter Murray
444
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Posted - 2013.11.25 15:12:00 -
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Actually after a short thought.
What makes a pvper good?
Someone who can consistently win when fielding the same amount of isk as their opponents.
someone that brings a 250mil isk cynabal to fight 250mil isk worth of condors (about 25 of them) and wins, would be considered good at pvp.
on the other hand, someone that brings vigilant, deimos, phobos, falcon, rapier, and crow to kill a catalyst is pretty ****** at pvp.
on another note, just because you're **** at pvp doesn't mean you aren't good at killing things. there's a difference. Santo Trafficante is the best killer of pods in EVE and at one point or another you will lose a pod to him. He's pretty bad at pvp though.
idk if he plays anymore but darkstarpownyouall was really good as well because he would mostly kill everyone with equal isk on the field. he didn't even use an OGB for the longest time.
shadow cartel is pretty ****** on the other hand. they bring 5-10x more isk typically than their opponents. They are good at killing things. They are garbage at pvp though because when it's equal isk on the field they die horribly in a fire.
in addition to equal isk on the field, brawl v. brawl, and kite v. kite, and kite v. brawl is another factor. if someone that exclusively flies kiting ships consistently dies to kiting ships, they are probably pretty ******. if a kiter consistently kills brawlers, they are nothing special.
*equal isk on the field includes ogb http://mfi.re/?j7ldoco 50GB free space @ MediaFire.com |
Charlie Firpol
Noob Mercs Monkeys with Guns.
42
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Posted - 2013.11.25 15:21:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:Baali Tekitsu wrote:Liam Inkuras wrote:Taoist Dragon wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:Sunglasses are what makes a pvper good. <------- If you see these 3 in a fleet. Run the other way. So True Do my gogglez count? You need a monocle scrub. If we couldn't afford a 2nd lens and frames - we would wear your peasant fashions too.
Sunglasses, hell yeah |
JuricM
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
0
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Posted - 2013.11.25 19:56:00 -
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Transcend good at the church of awesome [pvpers]
<-----currently training sunglasses V
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Joan Greywind
No Swag Initiative
191
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Posted - 2013.11.26 09:05:00 -
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balls, brass metal balls
And deep knowledge of every in game ship, mechanic, and modules. Good intuition, and to recognize when to fight and when not too.
And balls, brass metal balls. |
Bea Love
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.11.26 17:21:00 -
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In my opinion good pvp'er know all the shiptypes and their "standart" fittings... also what speed the hull brings with different propulsion modules. How much dps wich ship can bring out / wich ships can carry wich drone type (bandwidth). Picking the right fight is essential.
Look at these Youtube videos Megathron hulls take out solo 4 BS on gates... some people have a very skilled micromanagement. But hey try to troll victims with mwd fittings by manually speeding down to an afaik ab fit ;)
To get this "cool head" in fights i would advise all the capsule pilots out there to get expierience in frigate and cruiser hulls - just insure them and go out to pew. pew pew. pew :3 |
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God's Apples
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
204
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Posted - 2013.11.26 23:47:00 -
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Dan Carter Murray wrote:
- no blues
- no scouts
- no neutral alts (rr, ecm, cyno, etc.)
- no links
- no pirate faction ships
- K/D irrelevant (in other words someone can be a good pvper with 1 kill for every 2 losses)
- isk efficiency (in other words someone can be a good pvper with 25% efficiency)
- ignores everyone when they say _________ ship/fit sucks **** at pvp and figures out why it actually does or why everyone is ******* stupid and to give it a go
- doesn't give a flying **** about trying experimental fits and having their pending lossmail make them look insane
- doesn't give a flying **** or gloat about their experimental fit wtfpwning something it shouldn't have.
- engages everything within reason because WHY THE **** NOT
- doesn't panick when the inevitable **** HITS THE FAN
- doesn't gloat
- smacks eloquently without spamming pictures when they lose
- has less than 90% efficiency
- kills **** tons of ships
- loses **** tons of ships
- kills people they have no business killing
- dies to people who of course would kill them
- understands why they win engagements
- understands why they lose engagements
- understands prior to engagements if they expect to come out on top
- understands that they probably will die from external factors at some point (disconnect)
- understands that they probably will die from blob, cyno, ewar, at some point
- understands that they probably will die at some point but who gives a ****
- knows who Santo Trafficante is and will not fly directly to gates in their pods if he is in system
- in fleet engagements understand what comp beats other comps
- in fleet engagements understand what their comp should do against other comps
- in fleet engagements understand how their comp should can disrupt other comps
- in fleet engagements understand who is important to primary, secondary, swapping, splitting dps, etc.
You're a moron. If you have 1 kill per every 2 losses you're probably ignorant of game mechanics and **** at picking engagements. The same goes with isk efficiency. According to you fitting faction mods and ships(even if a 5% increase costs 200 times more) are cheating which means you fly t1 ships with t2 fits and still on average can't kill 1/3 of your ship's value per life.
Using links is not the mark of a bad pvper. Maybe if you're into ~honorable~ frig 1 v 1, but when you're fighting 1 or 2 vs 20, links give you a way larger engagement profile. I'm not really sure how having an isk efficiency of less than 90% makes you good. Or really how having one higher automatically makes you a filthy blobber when in fact you're just saying this because you're terrible.
I think the most hilarious thing in this post is how you think that flying faction ships make you bad. Just because you fly something more expensive than most can afford I'm not really sure how it automatically makes you a terrible. Half of this post is decent, but half of it is pure bull **** that when you become less terrible will be apparent to you. |
Charlie Firpol
Noob Mercs Monkeys with Guns.
55
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Posted - 2013.11.27 11:50:00 -
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God's Apples wrote: You're a moron. If you have 1 kill per every 2 losses you're probably ignorant of game mechanics and **** at picking engagements. The same goes with isk efficiency. According to you fitting faction mods and ships(even if a 5% increase costs 200 times more) are cheating which means you fly t1 ships with t2 fits and still on average can't kill 1/3 of your ship's value per life.
Using links is not the mark of a bad pvper. Maybe if you're into ~honorable~ frig 1 v 1, but when you're fighting 1 or 2 vs 20, links give you a way larger engagement profile. I'm not really sure how having an isk efficiency of less than 90% makes you good. Or really how having one higher automatically makes you a filthy blobber when in fact you're just saying this because you're terrible.
I think the most hilarious thing in this post is how you think that flying faction ships make you bad. Just because you fly something more expensive than most can afford I'm not really sure how it automatically makes you a terrible. Half of this post is decent, but half of it is pure bull **** that when you become less terrible will be apparent to you.
This, ladies and gentleman, is a pure #elitepvp pro! And he doesnt even wear sunglasses of +2 badassery (tm)! |
Pew Terror
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
29
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Posted - 2013.11.27 17:33:00 -
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Chessur wrote:I have a blog post on this toipc exactly. For the TL;DR its basically this: People who are good at PvP generally fly ships that have a large engagement profile. Flying ships like these, speaks to the pilots ability to play the meta- and allows the pilot to engage many of the fleets / ships he or she comes across. http://evestealthbomber.blogspot.com/2013/07/what-makes-good-eve-pvper.html
I see you posting a lot, but im not sure if you are a troll...
You talk a lot about solo PvP, but when checking your killboard all one can see you do is blapping frigs in a fotm cerb... |
Dan Carter Murray
445
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Posted - 2013.11.27 17:55:00 -
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God's Apples wrote:Dan Carter Murray wrote:
- no blues
- no scouts
- no neutral alts (rr, ecm, cyno, etc.)
- no links
- no pirate faction ships
- K/D irrelevant (in other words someone can be a good pvper with 1 kill for every 2 losses)
- isk efficiency (in other words someone can be a good pvper with 25% efficiency)
- ignores everyone when they say _________ ship/fit sucks **** at pvp and figures out why it actually does or why everyone is ******* stupid and to give it a go
- doesn't give a flying **** about trying experimental fits and having their pending lossmail make them look insane
- doesn't give a flying **** or gloat about their experimental fit wtfpwning something it shouldn't have.
- engages everything within reason because WHY THE **** NOT
- doesn't panick when the inevitable **** HITS THE FAN
- doesn't gloat
- smacks eloquently without spamming pictures when they lose
- has less than 90% efficiency
- kills **** tons of ships
- loses **** tons of ships
- kills people they have no business killing
- dies to people who of course would kill them
- understands why they win engagements
- understands why they lose engagements
- understands prior to engagements if they expect to come out on top
- understands that they probably will die from external factors at some point (disconnect)
- understands that they probably will die from blob, cyno, ewar, at some point
- understands that they probably will die at some point but who gives a ****
- knows who Santo Trafficante is and will not fly directly to gates in their pods if he is in system
- in fleet engagements understand what comp beats other comps
- in fleet engagements understand what their comp should do against other comps
- in fleet engagements understand how their comp should can disrupt other comps
- in fleet engagements understand who is important to primary, secondary, swapping, splitting dps, etc.
You're a moron. If you have 1 kill per every 2 losses you're probably ignorant of game mechanics and **** at picking engagements. The same goes with isk efficiency. According to you fitting faction mods and ships(even if a 5% increase costs 200 times more) are cheating which means you fly t1 ships with t2 fits and still on average can't kill 1/3 of your ship's value per life. Using links is not the mark of a bad pvper. Maybe if you're into ~honorable~ frig 1 v 1, but when you're fighting 1 or 2 vs 20, links give you a way larger engagement profile. I'm not really sure how having an isk efficiency of less than 90% makes you good. Or really how having one higher automatically makes you a filthy blobber when in fact you're just saying this because you're terrible. I think the most hilarious thing in this post is how you think that flying faction ships make you bad. Just because you fly something more expensive than most can afford I'm not really sure how it automatically makes you a terrible. Half of this post is decent, but half of it is pure bull **** that when you become less terrible will be apparent to you.
you missed my most updated response. this one struck a chord though!
http://mfi.re/?j7ldoco 50GB free space @ MediaFire.com |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
203
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Posted - 2013.11.27 18:35:00 -
[85] - Quote
God's Apples wrote:Dan Carter Murray wrote:
- no blues
- no scouts
- no neutral alts (rr, ecm, cyno, etc.)
- no links
- no pirate faction ships
- K/D irrelevant (in other words someone can be a good pvper with 1 kill for every 2 losses)
- isk efficiency (in other words someone can be a good pvper with 25% efficiency)
- ignores everyone when they say _________ ship/fit sucks **** at pvp and figures out why it actually does or why everyone is ******* stupid and to give it a go
- doesn't give a flying **** about trying experimental fits and having their pending lossmail make them look insane
- doesn't give a flying **** or gloat about their experimental fit wtfpwning something it shouldn't have.
- engages everything within reason because WHY THE **** NOT
- doesn't panick when the inevitable **** HITS THE FAN
- doesn't gloat
- smacks eloquently without spamming pictures when they lose
- has less than 90% efficiency
- kills **** tons of ships
- loses **** tons of ships
- kills people they have no business killing
- dies to people who of course would kill them
- understands why they win engagements
- understands why they lose engagements
- understands prior to engagements if they expect to come out on top
- understands that they probably will die from external factors at some point (disconnect)
- understands that they probably will die from blob, cyno, ewar, at some point
- understands that they probably will die at some point but who gives a ****
- knows who Santo Trafficante is and will not fly directly to gates in their pods if he is in system
- in fleet engagements understand what comp beats other comps
- in fleet engagements understand what their comp should do against other comps
- in fleet engagements understand how their comp should can disrupt other comps
- in fleet engagements understand who is important to primary, secondary, swapping, splitting dps, etc.
You're a moron. If you have 1 kill per every 2 losses you're probably ignorant of game mechanics and **** at picking engagements. The same goes with isk efficiency. According to you fitting faction mods and ships(even if a 5% increase costs 200 times more) are cheating which means you fly t1 ships with t2 fits and still on average can't kill 1/3 of your ship's value per life. Using links is not the mark of a bad pvper. Maybe if you're into ~honorable~ frig 1 v 1, but when you're fighting 1 or 2 vs 20, links give you a way larger engagement profile. I'm not really sure how having an isk efficiency of less than 90% makes you good. Or really how having one higher automatically makes you a filthy blobber when in fact you're just saying this because you're terrible. I think the most hilarious thing in this post is how you think that flying faction ships make you bad. Just because you fly something more expensive than most can afford I'm not really sure how it automatically makes you a terrible. Half of this post is decent, but half of it is pure bull **** that when you become less terrible will be apparent to you.
LOLs fell for the bait. |
Markus Auralias
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
89
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Posted - 2013.11.27 19:39:00 -
[86] - Quote
Can you copy and paste ascii into your local window?
If so, congratulations! You have entered the ranks of the ~elite pvp~ |
Dan Carter Murray
447
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Posted - 2013.11.27 21:39:00 -
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God's Apples wrote: According to you fitting faction mods and ships(even if a 5% increase costs 200 times more) are cheating which means you fly t1 ships with t2 fits and still on average can't kill 1/3 of your ship's value per life.
your comprehension skills are not good
God's Apples wrote: Using links is not the mark of a bad pvper. Maybe if you're into ~honorable~ frig 1 v 1, but when you're fighting 1 or 2 vs 20, links give you a way larger engagement profile.
your comprehension skills are getting worse here.
God's Apples wrote: I'm not really sure how having an isk efficiency of less than 90% makes you good. Or really how having one higher automatically makes you a filthy blobber when in fact you're just saying this because you're terrible.
now your comprehension skills are getting laughable
God's Apples wrote: I think the most hilarious thing in this post is how you think that flying faction ships make you bad.
your comprehension skills are absolutely hysterical
God's Apples wrote: Just because you fly something more expensive than most can afford I'm not really sure how it automatically makes you a terrible.
this, coupled with the other things you "concluded" makes me wonder what level of reading comprehension you have.
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
847
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Posted - 2013.11.28 00:22:00 -
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Being able to kill people when your friends are not around. There are a lot of so called elite pvprs with 60 to 1 k/d ratios or higher but not a single kill ever made solo. Have even seen people with 1000+ kills and less than 50 losses and I doubt they could fight their way out of an ibis gank.
A good pver will not always have a good kill board, they'll have good kills.
Also I don't say this intending to suggest I'm particularly great I generally suck at PvP :) |
Nyan Lafisques
Legion Du Lys Insidious Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.11.29 17:41:00 -
[89] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Being able to kill people when your friends are not around. There are a lot of so called elite pvprs with 60 to 1 k/d ratios or higher but not a single kill ever made solo. Have even seen people with 1000+ kills and less than 50 losses and I doubt they could fight their way out of an ibis gank.
A good pver will not always have a good kill board, they'll have good kills.
Also I don't say this intending to suggest I'm particularly great I generally suck at PvP :)
Killboard stats means nothing by themselves. Proof: I haz gr8 kb, i sux. |
Baron' Soontir Fel
Justified Chaos
90
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Posted - 2013.11.29 19:33:00 -
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Charlie Firpol wrote:God's Apples wrote: You're a moron.....
This, ladies and gentleman, is a pure #elitepvp pro! And he doesnt even wear sunglasses of +2 badassery (tm)!
That's why he's squinting
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