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Elseix	Posted - 2006.02.16 21:53:00 - [1] I've been waiting for a thread like this to emerge but so far none have. First of all, I like my BC's because my skills are still limited and loosing a BC only costs me ~7mil (insurance pays out 25.5mil I can find them for 24mil on the market no problem) which is good considering my limited playtime or desire to grind cash. So please, no "go get a geddon/apoc" comments. Setups do not need to include Scram because I really dont think the Proph is ever going to be a good solo pvp ship. So small scale defensive pvp, fleet setups or pirate gank setups are welcome.
Berrik Radhok	Posted - 2006.02.16 22:32:00 - [2] Here's a pretty good comedy setup I tried the other day. Replace with T2 where applicable. Highs 2 x light beam laser 5 x med nos Meds 1 x 10 MN MWD, 2 x multispec or racial jammers (for solo replace with 20km scram and a web) Lows 2 x med armor repairer, 4 x nano Drone bay 5 x whatever You'll be hilariously fast with this setup and more or less be able to lock down any other cruiser or BC. Strategy is to MWD into laser range, then orbit them really quickly while nossing and repairing and jamming. If you feel like living dangerously, put on a 5th nano instead of a second armor repairer for even more speed. No one expects a 1750 km/s BC
Berrik Radhok	Posted - 2006.02.16 22:32:00 - [3] Here's a pretty good comedy setup I tried the other day. Replace with T2 where applicable. Highs 2 x light beam laser 5 x med nos Meds 1 x 10 MN MWD, 2 x multispec or racial jammers (for solo replace with 20km scram and a web) Lows 2 x med armor repairer, 4 x nano Drone bay 5 x whatever You'll be hilariously fast with this setup and more or less be able to lock down any other cruiser or BC. Strategy is to MWD into laser range, then orbit them really quickly while nossing and repairing and jamming. If you feel like living dangerously, put on a 5th naEVE Online \| EVE Insider \| Forums
Elseix	Posted - 2006.02.17 23:56:00 - [4] Ok obviously I should have started the thread off somewhere, but really I just dont know where to start. First question: Beams or Pulses for pvp? Remember I dont think the Proph is a good solo pvp ship, so assume that you have a wingman. Either way I think you must have an AB, because the proph is slow as sin and I hate the idea of putting MWD's on non-tackler Amarr ships (precious cap!) But do people think that AB'ing under the guns of a tackled Bship and providing dps is a viable role of the Proph? If so how many lows would you use for tanking and how many for heat sinks? Or do you setup with heavy beams + painters and provide long range support against opposing tacklers (I will go test this myself once I get the time, corp is wardec'd atm). I guess I'm less concerned with the specifics of the setups, and more with what roles experienced pvpers have found for this BC. I'd rather not have to blow several of them up if I can help it while I try to find a role it can actually fill well in combat.
Liet Traep	Posted - 2006.02.18 02:06:00 - [5] I usually use heavy pulse 2's and an AB. Better tracking and rof on the guns and fitting 6 heavy beam 2's is a pain.
Elseix	Posted - 2006.02.23 02:52:00 - [6] Ok obviously I need to just give a fitting and let people rip into it. So how does this look?: HI: -5xMed Pulse -Med NoS MED: -10MN AB -Cap Recharge -Web LOW: 3xHardener Med Armor Rep PDS Heat Sink Using regular modules I (w/ limited skills) am only 54cpu short, which I'm sure can be made up for w/ the use of named modules and getting III and IV in weapon upgrades. The design is nothing spectacular but right now there are no new threads on Proph setups for pvp. This is designed for small-scale (2-6v1-6) pvp. Tell me what you think? Please?
Aeaus	Posted - 2006.02.23 06:06:00 - [7] Fitting mods are generally a bad idea. Why not use less powerful medium lasers and then add in annother heatsink? Mail us at [email protected] to discuss moderation. -Capsicum
maGz	Posted - 2006.02.23 06:25:00 - [8] I'm using the following on my Prophecy: Highs: 4x Heavy Pulse Laser IIs 3x Medium Diminishing Nosferatu Meds: 1x 10MN Afterburner II 1x 20km scram 1x Web Lows: 2x Medium Armor Repairer II 3x Energized Adap. Nano IIs 1x Cap Relay I haven't really tested it extensively, however it seems like a pretty nice setup. I'm working on a proper plate-setup atm, as I do like to have lots of armor ______________________
LWMaverick	Posted - 2006.02.23 07:46:00 - [9] Edited by: LWMaverick on 23/02/2006 07:48:58 Originally by: maGz I'm using the following on my Prophecy: Highs: 4x Heavy Pulse Laser IIs 3x Medium Diminishing Nosferatu Meds: 1x 10MN Afterburner II 1x 20km scram 1x Web Lows: 2x Medium Armor Repairer II 3x Energized Adap. Nano IIs 1x Cap Relay I haven't really tested it extensively, however it seems like a pretty nice setup. I'm working on a proper plate-setup atm, as I do like to have lots of armor Is that a typo, or does that really fit?.. Im pretty damn wasted atm, but im 99% sure that, that setup can't fit without an RCU 2. /Mav With great power, comes great responsibility.
maGz	Posted - 2006.02.23 07:58:00 - [10] Originally by: LWMaverick Edited by: LWMaverick on 23/02/2006 07:48:58 Originally by: maGz I'm using the following on my Prophecy: Highs: 4x Heavy Pulse Laser IIs 3x Medium Diminishing Nosferatu Meds: 1x 10MN Afterburner II 1x 20km scram 1x Web Lows: 2x Medium Armor Repairer II 3x Energized Adap. Nano IIs 1x Cap Relay I haven't really tested it extensively, however it seems like a pretty nice setup. I'm working on a proper plate-setup atm, as I do like to have lots of armor Is that a typo, or does that really fit?.. Im pretty damn wasted atm, but im 99% sure that, that setup can't fit without an RCU 2. /Mav Now that I look at it, I think you might be right. I'm not really close to my Proph atm, so I can't really check but I'll edit my post when I get the chance to check out the setup on my Proph. ______________________

LWMaverick	Posted - 2006.02.23 08:02:00 - [11] Originally by: maGz Originally by: LWMaverick Edited by: LWMaverick on 23/02/2006 07:48:58 Originally by: maGz I'm using the following on my Prophecy: Highs: 4x Heavy Pulse Laser IIs 3x Medium Diminishing Nosferatu Meds: 1x 10MN Afterburner II 1x 20km scram 1x Web Lows: 2x Medium Armor Repairer II 3x Energized Adap. Nano IIs 1x Cap Relay I haven't really tested it extensively, however it seems like a pretty nice setup. I'm working on a proper plate-setup atm, as I do like to have lots of armor Is that a typo, or does that really fit?.. Im pretty damn wasted atm, but im 99% sure that, that setup can't fit without an RCU 2. /Mav Now that I look at it, I think you might be right. I'm not really close to my Proph atm, so I can't really check but I'll edit my post when I get the chance to check out the setup on my Proph. It fits if you change that cap relay for a RCU t2 ;) With great power, comes great responsibility.
Fogy	Posted - 2006.02.23 08:18:00 - [12] as many Heavy pulse as you can (Medium nos when your done with the belov if you got pg/cpu left) 10mn ab sensor booster (or cap recharger if you got lov cap skills + controlled burst skill) webby 3 HS 1 energized adaptive nano 400 or 800 plate (what ever fitts) small or medium repair (what ever fitts) with this, youll have good resistances all across when added to the BC skill bonus, youll have a bunche of armor, do set the plates pri. infront of the repair, as you only want the repair to fix you after a fight, and the plate to keep you alive during the battle. youll have a grate rof/dmg mod on the pulse lasers, with 3 HS's and the webby will lett you ***close range friggies etc. a cheeper version of this fitting, is the same on a Omen, wich is where i got the idea from. the reason I dont want to fitt a good tank on, is caus i prefere damage over tanking, so insted of wasting slotts on cap rechargers, cpr, etc i fitt a plate and EANM's in the leftover slotts after iw fitted 3 HS's heres the Omen Version: 4 Heavy pulse Rocket launcher with defenders for the laugh of it (bring some rockets for the extra damage lol) 10mn ab web Sensor booster/cap recharger/20km scrambler (what ever floats your way) 3 HS 400mm Tungsten plate 1 energized adaptive nano Cheers! Fogy "From my rotting boddy flowers shall grow and I am in them, and that is eternity" ♥RUBRA♥**
Tassi	Posted - 2006.02.23 08:34:00 - [13] Why not try a cap injector with 800 charges and dual t2 medium armor rep with many hardeners? Would give a NICE tank and you can still fill your highs with heavy pulses t2 ... fit a medium nosferatu to **** off frigs.
maGz	Posted - 2006.02.23 08:48:00 - [14] Originally by: LWMaverick Originally by: maGz Originally by: LWMaverick Edited by: LWMaverick on 23/02/2006 07:48:58 Originally by: maGz I'm using the following on my Prophecy: Highs: 4x Heavy Pulse Laser IIs 3x Medium Diminishing Nosferatu Meds: 1x 10MN Afterburner II 1x 20km scram 1x Web Lows: 2x Medium Armor Repairer II 3x Energized Adap. Nano IIs 1x Cap Relay I haven't really tested it extensively, however it seems like a pretty nice setup. I'm working on a proper plate-setup atm, as I do like to have lots of armor Is that a typo, or does that really fit?.. Im pretty damn wasted atm, but im 99% sure that, that setup can't fit without an RCU 2. /Mav Now that I look at it, I think you might be right. I'm not really close to my Proph atm, so I can't really check but I'll edit my post when I get the chance to check out the setup on my Proph. It fits if you change that cap relay for a RCU t2 ;) You're completely correct. I've got a RCU II fitted instead of that cap relay ______________________
Bugsy Malone	Posted - 2006.02.23 10:21:00 - [15] Edited by: Bugsy Malone on 23/02/2006 10:24:19 Edited by: Bugsy Malone on 23/02/2006 10:23:33 High Slots -: 6 T2 Heavy Pulse, 1 med diminishing Med Slots -: Afterburner(best named), Web(90% one), t2 painter Low Slots -: Med Rep t2, 3 heatsink t2, Pdu 2, energized adaptive nano membrane t2. very good damage and alot of solo capability( I use no scrambler also). Amazing for group pvp. the setup can still be changed to t1 and be effective. not logged on so can't give the maths.. sorry
Elseix	Posted - 2006.02.28 18:54:00 - [16] So I've been messing around with fittings and tactics and here is something I've been working with: HI's: 4xHvy-Pulse 3xMed-Nos === MID's: 1xScram 1xWeb 1xCap Recharge === LOW's: 2xEnergized Nano 1xSm-Repper 1xMed-Repper 1x+20%cap recharge -10% shield (forgot name) The last low is still up in the air (heat sink, plate, another cap recharge module, more resist) but so far I like it. Basically it is designed to take on solo gank HAC/AF/Inty's when paired with faster tacklers. I really really need to get a AB on it though, otherwise it is just too slow to close that crucial 5-15km. But I really am hesistant to give up the mid recharger. I'll be testing some more varients tonight but I think that as a gang-pvp ship 4xPulse and 3xNos may be the way to go.
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.02.28 18:56:00 - [17] 6x small guns, gang assist module web, scram x2 2x 1600mm, med rep, 2x adaptive nano II, 800mm plate. I use no guns... i smack to death.
Elseix	Posted - 2006.02.28 19:05:00 - [18] Honestly I kind of like that setup's idea, skilling up Skirmish and Armor leadership skills next week so I'll definately give that a try, thanks.
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.02.28 19:09:00 - [19] Originally by: Elseix Honestly I kind of like that setup's idea, skilling up Skirmish and Armor leadership skills next week so I'll definately give that a try, thanks. Just a word of warning. It will handle like FAT cow. I use no guns... i smack to death.
Xeios	Posted - 2006.02.28 19:48:00 - [20] Originally by: LUKEC Originally by: Elseix Honestly I kind of like that setup's idea, skilling up Skirmish and Armor leadership skills next week so I'll definately give that a try, thanks. Just a word of warning. It will handle like FAT cow. Such an understatement

Solarii	Posted - 2006.02.28 20:44:00 - [21] From my limited experience in my prophecy, it seems like most small ships like to close in on me, and that heavy lasers don't seem to hit quite as often when ships have closed. Also, since webifiers, generally have a range of 10km. I try to close the gap. Is it a better idea to go with less powerful, but faster tracking guns such as the medium light beams/pulses, or does webifying them really slow them down enough to where the heavy guns can hit easily?
Zhaine	Posted - 2006.02.28 20:54:00 - [22] Sniprofecy (well, mid range), for fleet (ie makes sure you got lots of people with you) 6 Heavy Beam (Named) 1 Empty or Small nos if you can be bother to fill slot (I can't tbh) (T1) 2 Sensor Booster (Named) 1 Tracking Comp (Named) 1 Small Rep (to repair damage after a fight or while warped out) (T1) 3 Heatsinks (T2) 2 Tracking Enhancers (T2) The named/T2/T1 choices are based on my current skills and what I think is worth paying for. This would be a lot better with T2 beams and some Aurore (sp) methinks :D I currently get range of about 60 optimal (from memory) and hits at about 65-70 with Radio M. One thing, when using this GET ALINGED asap and warp when shot. . . she doesnt last too long :p
Elseix	Posted - 2006.03.04 01:27:00 - [23] For the setup I posted in reply #15 you definately want an AB, just too damn slow without it. For me that means the last low is a CPR (I never feel like I have enough cap), but if your confident you can get into nos range you can switch that for a HS/Plate/Energized. With the nos running you can run everything else for a long while and shutting down the medium repper for a cycle or 2 will let you gain cap back really fast. Warning, your resists are not as uber as you will be used to from pve proph setups w/ active hardeners. I'm going to work my armor compensation skills to IV asap to make this build work better.
Nykolas	Posted - 2006.03.07 19:18:00 - [24] Seem not many people using Beam. Well i do, and love it. i use 6 named (3 modulated, 3 anode) Heavy Beam T1 1 tractor Beam (really useful since AB and still faster collecting) 2 named cap recharger (18%) 1 Webber (if anything come too close) 1 named med Repair (no skill yet for T2) 1 energized nano T1 1 energized thermic T1 2 PDS (to fit all, with engineering at 5 i could drop 1) 1 named Heat Sink (extruded) 4 light drone ( and 5 in 5 days :) ) With this i can still tank 3 BC (210k) spawn and always have enough cap. The range is real fun for all thoses ship orbiting at 20 or 30 km, and with the tractor beam i don't loose time collecting all. I know it may not look that good but you should give it a try, beam are real fun with the prophecy, since i find that with beam you need AB and it's still slow... P.S. Sry for typo, aint english
Altrex Stoppel	Posted - 2006.03.07 20:13:00 - [25] Originally by: LUKEC 6x small guns, gang assist module web, scram x2 2x 1600mm, med rep, 2x adaptive nano II, 800mm plate. Holy ** you might as well fly a freaking brick with guns. How much armor you get with that lol? Originally by:** Psycarne Quite right, Ginger is massively under powered, and should be given a tech II rubber duck. /signed
Estya Nethary	Posted - 2006.03.07 22:04:00 - [26] Just checked this in QuickFit. It requires lvl 4 advanced weapon upgrades. 6x Focused Pulses 1x Med Nos AB Web Scram Med Rep 1x Adaptive nano 1x Explosive hardner or another adaptive nano 1600mm Rolled tungsten plate 2x Heatsink 8,1K armor, with not too shabby resists. Max cap skills also let it run it for a very reasonable time, and if you want it to last longer, CPR's fit easy :) Originally by: TomB It is a good day to be Jove
StarLite	Posted - 2006.03.07 22:14:00 - [27] Originally by: LUKEC 6x small guns, gang assist module web, scram x2 2x 1600mm, med rep, 2x adaptive nano II, 800mm plate. And THAT'S how the proph was ment, a command ship. You won't get any killmails with it tho :) ___________________________________________________ This sig is guarded by SigGuard(c) This sig was hijacked by SigBusterÖ - Wrangler Wrangler nerfed my HiJack and all I got was this gold colour :( -Capsicum I am a lawyer for SnigguardÖ, we will be in touch - Cortes
Lysunder	Posted - 2006.03.07 22:59:00 - [28] 6 X Heavy Pulse II, 1 X Med Nos AB II, Web, 20K scram T2 Med Repper, 2 X Nano II (20% to all), 1 X Cap Relay, Rest Heatsink II's This hurts.
Bermag	Posted - 2006.03.08 10:23:00 - [29] I have not used my proph in pvp yet so I would like to get some input on my setup: 6x 220mm AC (named) 1 NOS (named) MWD X5 Web Cap recharger 3x hardener (kin, therm, expl for pvp; 2x Kin,Therm for Guristas) 1600 mm tungsten plate Med AR II Gyrostab II I am thinking of replacing the Cap recharger with either a warp scrambler or a tracking computer and the Gyrostab with a nano fiber (to improve agility)
galias	Posted - 2006.03.15 15:02:00 - [30] what do you think about that: - 4 heavy pulse II / 3 med nos named - 1 mwd / 1 webber named / 1 scrambler or cap recharger - 1 med repairer II / 1 RCU / 1 armor 400 mm / 3 hardeners (regenarative +12%, adaptive nano / kinetic) so all armor resistance > 50 %; armor hit point > 5000; good fire power; 3 med nos to use the repairer without cap low (for several minutes)



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