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Drakus
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Posted - 2006.02.17 03:57:00 -
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Ok, i am guessing this will get flamed to high heaven, but i want to say it anyways.
I am sick of pirates complaining about "blob tactics".
I know NOT ALL pirates use wcs all the time, i know that you aren't all a bunch of little children, i know that. I know that many of you are smart people, Hell, i've thought about piracy myself many times.
But I am a pirate hunter (or atleast, i do my best to be one). And many times you NEED many people to catch pirates. Alot of the time, you need 3.
1) Something fast locking as a tackler
2) something that does dmg
3) a covert (if they are sniping) or EW if they are close range
As well, i think there are alot more "honest" players, meaning people that don't pirate. So when we see someone camping a gate, many people want to get in on the kill.
Now the reason for this post is because of a fight that didn't take place in Providence tonight.
I log in, see alot of people getting togeather in a gang, so i figure "what the hell" and join in. Turns out there is a large pirate camp and a cronosfeild seen in a system we have sovernty over. So we gather large amounts of people, thinking its a POS attack.
We get close, i get more intel, and it seems its a carrier with 10 or 11 bs plus support on the gate. So we organise, get ready, warp in, jump, and they all jump out as soon as we uncloak. Now a few people are leaft in system, and they start calling out the "blob blob blob" speach. ya, we outnumbered them, by a factor of 2 or 3 to 1, but SO WHAT?! Doesn't mean we aren't as good as you, doesn't mean that we are afraid of you, just means that we know what were up agianst, so we bring everything we can.
Sorry, but it makes me mad. You block out path, kill people we know, and then get all whiney because we bring more then you to take you out. Thats the way it works. If we have more people in our alliance/corp/allies/friends/whatever then you have in your corp, then you will have to deal with the fact that you won't face 1vs1 very ofter.
sorry.. just bothers me to see pirates complain that many people wanna kill them.
This post does not relfect the opinions of the Ushra'Khan or any of its members.
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Gyles
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Posted - 2006.02.17 04:17:00 -
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Well put. In RL the police never beat up crimials 1v1 either.
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Slink Grinsdikild
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Posted - 2006.02.17 04:59:00 -
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By bringing 3 to 1 odds you yourself know full well that its not going to lead to a fight. You're complaining about something you and your gangmates cause yourself.
The thing about blobs is nobody likes them, because rarely will it lead to an actual fight. When I whine about blobbing its never targeted at any single player or corp, its game mechanics. I do however frown at people who expect you to stick around and/or start smacktalking when you leave the system before the blob shows up. I'm sorry, but I don't play EVE to spend 10 minutes fighting and the next 4 hours being station camped.
Bottom line, Being part of a blob is boring. Being blobbed is boring.
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Serin Nadiir
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Posted - 2006.02.17 05:00:00 -
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Edited by: Serin Nadiir on 17/02/2006 05:00:30
The OP has a point. The classic torches and pitchforks mob seems an apt comparison here.
But I think what a lot of pirates complain about isnt the blob itself but the smack they sometimes get for running from it. Not saying all blobs smack or all pirates are smack-free, just that seems to be the general complaint.
Actually I know a bunch of pirates consider it something of a marker of their influence in the system to see the size of the mob that rises against them. Just don't blame em for running away from bad odds. They're human too.
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Kumq uat
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Posted - 2006.02.17 05:15:00 -
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You are just upset you didnt catch our carrier heh
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Kyguard
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Posted - 2006.02.17 05:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Gyles
Well put. In RL the police never beat up crimials 1v1 either.
I've never thought of putting that way, good thinking 
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Dak Hakin
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Posted - 2006.02.17 05:34:00 -
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And we all know pirates NEVER use those tactics. Pirates never get in groups of three, four, or more and go hunting for ships without guns, or ships with PvE setups. [/sarcasm]
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Drakus
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Posted - 2006.02.17 05:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kumq uat
You are just upset you didnt catch our carrier heh
No, i am more upset at things like this
[ 2006.02.16 22:41:39 ] Stella Centauri > MORE MORE You cant take us when you just outnumber us 3:1
[ 2006.02.16 22:45:10 ] RedElite > hahaha
[ 2006.02.16 22:46:31 ] Nova Ivanova > Hark ye blobberin sissies
[ 2006.02.16 22:47:04 ] Sanaen Eydanwadh > mmmyeah
[ 2006.02.16 22:48:39 ] RedElite > Well you know how it is Nova... If you have no idea how to fight you turn to blobbs
[ 2006.02.16 22:49:46 ] Nova Ivanova > thou hath all yee bubbles
[ 2006.02.16 22:53:40 ] Andrew Gunn > 0/
and thats with 4 bubbles FROM the pirates on the gate making it so anything that jumps into system can't warp out.
I don't know who said it first, but it goes something like "When pirates camp a gate killing haulers its PVP, when the hunters come in its blobing"
I mean i understand it if someone runs before the blob, (your still gonna get people calling ya a wuss. Hell, i do it too, but i would be running if it was me as well). And i wasn't saying that blobbing is the way to go, but i am SICK of the pirates complaining about the blobs that come after them. If you don't like it, then move somewhere where there isn't an active anti-pirate force in the area.
This post does not relfect the opinions of the Ushra'Khan or any of its members.
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Kumq uat
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Posted - 2006.02.17 06:03:00 -
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We are kr0m. Shouldnt you expect some level of smack for not catchin us in your lil blob?
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2006.02.17 06:26:00 -
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Why do people smack? 
Never smacked, never will. I have pride and honor to follow. 
Unnerf Amarr!!
'.. it in your chase after the imaginary "endgame fun"... which actually doesn't exist.' j0sephine |
Kumq uat
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Posted - 2006.02.17 06:44:00 -
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because we are egotisical asshats?
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2006.02.17 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: Kumq uat
because we are egotisical asshats?
Or you lack self-discipline? Or perhaps your corporate isn't so "serious" after all?
Unnerf Amarr!!
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Alliaanna Dalaii
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Posted - 2006.02.17 07:27:00 -
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The Op has no point at all,
Most pirates outlaws/complain because the blob that comes for them is generally 3* the size of their force. Result = no fight. If thats what you wanted then cool..... you win, the pirates will probably leave/log.
Would a fight not be more fun for all involved ? and that was ruined by the idiots creating a massive gang due to fear of losing a ship 
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OrangeAfroMan
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Posted - 2006.02.17 07:42:00 -
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The OPer is completely correct.
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Voculus
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Posted - 2006.02.17 09:19:00 -
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Such is the nature of war. Like the WW2 pilots used to remark, "If you find yourself in a fair fight, you've done something wrong."
The smart move is to overwhelm the enemy. If the pirates tuck tail and run, so be it. Mission accomplished. They wanted to kill and destroy, and you prevented that very thing, so you were in the right.
As for smack-talking - Grow some thicker skin! Jeez, it's just online banter. It's not like they called your mom a prostitute. If I had just just controlled a bunch of pirates without having to fire a shot, I'd be gloating, too.
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pvtryan
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Posted - 2006.02.17 09:21:00 -
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correct me if I am wrong here, but is using numbers to win not exactly what the gate campers were intending to do before it was reversed and they suddenely found themselves on the revceiving side?
How ironic I would have thought.
run litte ones....run..
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2006.02.17 09:35:00 -
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I dont mind fighting outnumbered, its just funny when 20 people turn up for 6 of you and refuse to move away from the safety of sentries, then wonder why ypu wont fight them.
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Shimpu
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Posted - 2006.02.17 09:55:00 -
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I think that you are right. Blobbing is just another description for having far more man- and firepower in your gang than the others have. If you got the power and your main interest is just to get the "bastards" out of your space it's a perfectly viable tactic. On the other side it's not surprising that the blobbed people just leave the battlefield. The smarter and professional ones *might* try to pick of single ships of the main force when the blobbing fatique kicks in... Like people individually leaving system, logging at ss or try to dock at stations.
Just don't expect a clean fight when you bring 3 times more people than your enemy. Oh and smacking is just another strategy to seperate individuals from the main gang :P
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migwar
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Posted - 2006.02.17 10:02:00 -
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its exactly the same when sniper is ganking frigs at a gate, apparently thats fair, but bringing 3/4 ships to take him down isnt
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branodn lee
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Posted - 2006.02.17 10:10:00 -
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ya well the uk alliance is now doing pirateing aginst people. they will freely attack anyone in any alliance that has a pirate in it even if the rest of the alliance dont support pirates. so hey lets all attack the uk now to treat them like they treat everyone else since they arent a rp alliance any more.
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Maggot
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Posted - 2006.02.17 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: branodn lee
Edited by: branodn lee on 17/02/2006 10:20:51
ya well the uk alliance is now doing pirateing aginst people. they will freely attack anyone in any alliance that has a pirate in it even if the rest of the alliance dont support pirates. so hey lets all attack the uk now to treat them like they treat everyone else since they arent a rp alliance any more. if you wonder what im talking about they have now said all ra are kos becouse it had a few bad apples.
If an alliance has pirates in its membership then that reflects on the whole alliance. If an alliance does not support piracy then it should remove those members. Strangely RA has plenty of pirates and plenty of anti-pirates. Maybe they can hunt each other and we can remove the KOS flag ;)
Seriously though, if RA gets rid of its pirates then all will be well.
U'K not a RP alliance 
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Maggot
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Posted - 2006.02.17 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: migwar
its exactly the same when sniper is ganking frigs at a gate, apparently thats fair, but bringing 3/4 ships to take him down isnt
Exactly.
In this instance I think that Krom made the right call (other than the smack - which is always a bad thing when it happens from either side), they are not stupid.
We had:
More ships
They had:
A carrier
Bubbles
Warp in lag advantage
Given our recent battles at that gate we have had horrendous lag and expected to take massive losses whilst decloaking (we have had two battles against smaller forces that I am certain we should have won without loss that did not go as planned).
No excuses for the gang size, primary goal is to clear the gate, secondary is having a nice battle.
Kudos for bringing a carrier out to play. Its the first one U'K have faced. Maybe next time we will see it in action.
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migwar
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Posted - 2006.02.17 11:04:00 -
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True maggot,
If you can ignore the smack. You have effectivly won. The gate camp has gone, In their position i would do exactly the same, But i would withdraw quietly
"better to stay quiet and be thought of as an idiot, Than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt"
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Malken
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Posted - 2006.02.17 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Sun Ra
I dont mind fighting outnumbered, its just funny when 20 people turn up for 6 of you and refuse to move away from the safety of sentries, then wonder why ypu wont fight them.
so true :)
the really fun part is when they call you weak and 4year old because you wont stay and get ganked by 20+ ships.
the even more fun part is that you sfespot and log for 20min and get some food and coffe and ready for round 2, log back in ahd the "blob" is now only 5scared ships still around as the rest got so bored sitting around smacktalking thin air.
and now when its 5 on 5 or something like that the "blobbers" run like insane when you engage.
funny isnt it
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2006.02.17 12:18:00 -
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KROM and pals get outblobbed on a daily basis.
The reason they smack like school kids is because they know some people like you will get mad at it.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.02.17 12:30:00 -
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Don't use Krom as an example and extrapolate from that.
They will find cause to smacktalk whatever the situation.
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2006.02.17 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Don't use Krom as an example and extrapolate from that.
They will find cause to smacktalk whatever the situation.
I swear I have seen them smacktalking an npc cruiser once. Honest.
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Malken
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Posted - 2006.02.17 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Originally by: Deja Thoris
Don't use Krom as an example and extrapolate from that.
They will find cause to smacktalk whatever the situation.
I swear I have seen them smacktalking an npc cruiser once. Honest.
me and a couple of friends did that once for a half hour, we had so much fun
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Grim Starwind
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Posted - 2006.02.17 14:17:00 -
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Hi, my name is grim. Anyway.. now that's over with. I have an itsy story to tell aswell.
Anywho, my corp are "kinda" at war with NORAD and I rarely find any of their members (it's an alliance btw) by themselfs. If they're alone they sit in a station. Or just continue to run from me. Out of the whole alliance I'd say only about 4 or 5 of them can hold their own. I'm not saying their *** or anything, just that this is the case you guys are talking about. That no one will fight 1 on 1 but when about 10 of them get together they all think their amazing and that we're scared or something. Which isn't the case.. we're just not dumb enough to go 1 vs 10. .... well, I'm stupid =P but shhh.
Anywho, everytime I go looking to fight one of them... which if I get one on one (apart from the 4 or 5 of them that are actually good at PvP) it's usually a case of lock, orbit, jam, fire, KILL! Alls I'm saying is most people will use blobs because they is safe and don't want to lose their ships. Where as I don't care... I'll fly into your bubble or your blob backwards while scratching my ass. It's a game, you lose a ship OH NO! em, buy a new one.
I kinda don't know what I'm talking about lol I guess I'm just saying. Blobs = **** if your gonna moan about people not fighting you.
but I don't mean blobs as in about 20+ people. I just mean like when you outweigh your oponent 10 to 1. Which seems to be my problem all the time lol. but I still manage to get one here and there and have fun in the process.. I find it amusing they need to bring in 10+ people to camp gates and chase me all over.
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Je'hira Osiris
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Posted - 2006.02.17 14:44:00 -
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this is a gd point. note i have only read 1/2 the post but i had to add this. Im a pirate and i try and make as much trouble as possiable. If you come at me with 100 ships i would'nt care about the blob just do then start smaking when you out number the pirate and they sit in a station. We arent stupid and know when we cant win so no,,, we wont undock, yes we do know where the button is and our skills are high enuf to use it.. :-)
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