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Drakus
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Posted - 2006.02.17 03:57:00 -
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Ok, i am guessing this will get flamed to high heaven, but i want to say it anyways.
I am sick of pirates complaining about "blob tactics".
I know NOT ALL pirates use wcs all the time, i know that you aren't all a bunch of little children, i know that. I know that many of you are smart people, Hell, i've thought about piracy myself many times.
But I am a pirate hunter (or atleast, i do my best to be one). And many times you NEED many people to catch pirates. Alot of the time, you need 3.
1) Something fast locking as a tackler
2) something that does dmg
3) a covert (if they are sniping) or EW if they are close range
As well, i think there are alot more "honest" players, meaning people that don't pirate. So when we see someone camping a gate, many people want to get in on the kill.
Now the reason for this post is because of a fight that didn't take place in Providence tonight.
I log in, see alot of people getting togeather in a gang, so i figure "what the hell" and join in. Turns out there is a large pirate camp and a cronosfeild seen in a system we have sovernty over. So we gather large amounts of people, thinking its a POS attack.
We get close, i get more intel, and it seems its a carrier with 10 or 11 bs plus support on the gate. So we organise, get ready, warp in, jump, and they all jump out as soon as we uncloak. Now a few people are leaft in system, and they start calling out the "blob blob blob" speach. ya, we outnumbered them, by a factor of 2 or 3 to 1, but SO WHAT?! Doesn't mean we aren't as good as you, doesn't mean that we are afraid of you, just means that we know what were up agianst, so we bring everything we can.
Sorry, but it makes me mad. You block out path, kill people we know, and then get all whiney because we bring more then you to take you out. Thats the way it works. If we have more people in our alliance/corp/allies/friends/whatever then you have in your corp, then you will have to deal with the fact that you won't face 1vs1 very ofter.
sorry.. just bothers me to see pirates complain that many people wanna kill them.
This post does not relfect the opinions of the Ushra'Khan or any of its members.
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Gyles
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Posted - 2006.02.17 04:17:00 -
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Well put. In RL the police never beat up crimials 1v1 either.
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Slink Grinsdikild
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Posted - 2006.02.17 04:59:00 -
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By bringing 3 to 1 odds you yourself know full well that its not going to lead to a fight. You're complaining about something you and your gangmates cause yourself.
The thing about blobs is nobody likes them, because rarely will it lead to an actual fight. When I whine about blobbing its never targeted at any single player or corp, its game mechanics. I do however frown at people who expect you to stick around and/or start smacktalking when you leave the system before the blob shows up. I'm sorry, but I don't play EVE to spend 10 minutes fighting and the next 4 hours being station camped.
Bottom line, Being part of a blob is boring. Being blobbed is boring.
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Serin Nadiir
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Posted - 2006.02.17 05:00:00 -
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Edited by: Serin Nadiir on 17/02/2006 05:00:30
The OP has a point. The classic torches and pitchforks mob seems an apt comparison here.
But I think what a lot of pirates complain about isnt the blob itself but the smack they sometimes get for running from it. Not saying all blobs smack or all pirates are smack-free, just that seems to be the general complaint.
Actually I know a bunch of pirates consider it something of a marker of their influence in the system to see the size of the mob that rises against them. Just don't blame em for running away from bad odds. They're human too.
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Kumq uat
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Posted - 2006.02.17 05:15:00 -
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You are just upset you didnt catch our carrier heh
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Kyguard
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Posted - 2006.02.17 05:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Gyles
Well put. In RL the police never beat up crimials 1v1 either.
I've never thought of putting that way, good thinking 
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Dak Hakin
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Posted - 2006.02.17 05:34:00 -
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And we all know pirates NEVER use those tactics. Pirates never get in groups of three, four, or more and go hunting for ships without guns, or ships with PvE setups. [/sarcasm]
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Drakus
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Posted - 2006.02.17 05:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kumq uat
You are just upset you didnt catch our carrier heh
No, i am more upset at things like this
[ 2006.02.16 22:41:39 ] Stella Centauri > MORE MORE You cant take us when you just outnumber us 3:1
[ 2006.02.16 22:45:10 ] RedElite > hahaha
[ 2006.02.16 22:46:31 ] Nova Ivanova > Hark ye blobberin sissies
[ 2006.02.16 22:47:04 ] Sanaen Eydanwadh > mmmyeah
[ 2006.02.16 22:48:39 ] RedElite > Well you know how it is Nova... If you have no idea how to fight you turn to blobbs
[ 2006.02.16 22:49:46 ] Nova Ivanova > thou hath all yee bubbles
[ 2006.02.16 22:53:40 ] Andrew Gunn > 0/
and thats with 4 bubbles FROM the pirates on the gate making it so anything that jumps into system can't warp out.
I don't know who said it first, but it goes something like "When pirates camp a gate killing haulers its PVP, when the hunters come in its blobing"
I mean i understand it if someone runs before the blob, (your still gonna get people calling ya a wuss. Hell, i do it too, but i would be running if it was me as well). And i wasn't saying that blobbing is the way to go, but i am SICK of the pirates complaining about the blobs that come after them. If you don't like it, then move somewhere where there isn't an active anti-pirate force in the area.
This post does not relfect the opinions of the Ushra'Khan or any of its members.
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Kumq uat
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Posted - 2006.02.17 06:03:00 -
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We are kr0m. Shouldnt you expect some level of smack for not catchin us in your lil blob?
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2006.02.17 06:26:00 -
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Why do people smack? 
Never smacked, never will. I have pride and honor to follow. 
Unnerf Amarr!!
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Kumq uat
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Posted - 2006.02.17 06:44:00 -
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because we are egotisical asshats?
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2006.02.17 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: Kumq uat
because we are egotisical asshats?
Or you lack self-discipline? Or perhaps your corporate isn't so "serious" after all?
Unnerf Amarr!!
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Alliaanna Dalaii
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Posted - 2006.02.17 07:27:00 -
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The Op has no point at all,
Most pirates outlaws/complain because the blob that comes for them is generally 3* the size of their force. Result = no fight. If thats what you wanted then cool..... you win, the pirates will probably leave/log.
Would a fight not be more fun for all involved ? and that was ruined by the idiots creating a massive gang due to fear of losing a ship 
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OrangeAfroMan
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Posted - 2006.02.17 07:42:00 -
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The OPer is completely correct.
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Voculus
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Posted - 2006.02.17 09:19:00 -
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Such is the nature of war. Like the WW2 pilots used to remark, "If you find yourself in a fair fight, you've done something wrong."
The smart move is to overwhelm the enemy. If the pirates tuck tail and run, so be it. Mission accomplished. They wanted to kill and destroy, and you prevented that very thing, so you were in the right.
As for smack-talking - Grow some thicker skin! Jeez, it's just online banter. It's not like they called your mom a prostitute. If I had just just controlled a bunch of pirates without having to fire a shot, I'd be gloating, too.
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pvtryan
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Posted - 2006.02.17 09:21:00 -
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correct me if I am wrong here, but is using numbers to win not exactly what the gate campers were intending to do before it was reversed and they suddenely found themselves on the revceiving side?
How ironic I would have thought.
run litte ones....run..
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2006.02.17 09:35:00 -
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I dont mind fighting outnumbered, its just funny when 20 people turn up for 6 of you and refuse to move away from the safety of sentries, then wonder why ypu wont fight them.
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Shimpu
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Posted - 2006.02.17 09:55:00 -
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I think that you are right. Blobbing is just another description for having far more man- and firepower in your gang than the others have. If you got the power and your main interest is just to get the "bastards" out of your space it's a perfectly viable tactic. On the other side it's not surprising that the blobbed people just leave the battlefield. The smarter and professional ones *might* try to pick of single ships of the main force when the blobbing fatique kicks in... Like people individually leaving system, logging at ss or try to dock at stations.
Just don't expect a clean fight when you bring 3 times more people than your enemy. Oh and smacking is just another strategy to seperate individuals from the main gang :P
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migwar
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Posted - 2006.02.17 10:02:00 -
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its exactly the same when sniper is ganking frigs at a gate, apparently thats fair, but bringing 3/4 ships to take him down isnt
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branodn lee
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Posted - 2006.02.17 10:10:00 -
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ya well the uk alliance is now doing pirateing aginst people. they will freely attack anyone in any alliance that has a pirate in it even if the rest of the alliance dont support pirates. so hey lets all attack the uk now to treat them like they treat everyone else since they arent a rp alliance any more.
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Maggot
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Posted - 2006.02.17 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: branodn lee
Edited by: branodn lee on 17/02/2006 10:20:51
ya well the uk alliance is now doing pirateing aginst people. they will freely attack anyone in any alliance that has a pirate in it even if the rest of the alliance dont support pirates. so hey lets all attack the uk now to treat them like they treat everyone else since they arent a rp alliance any more. if you wonder what im talking about they have now said all ra are kos becouse it had a few bad apples.
If an alliance has pirates in its membership then that reflects on the whole alliance. If an alliance does not support piracy then it should remove those members. Strangely RA has plenty of pirates and plenty of anti-pirates. Maybe they can hunt each other and we can remove the KOS flag ;)
Seriously though, if RA gets rid of its pirates then all will be well.
U'K not a RP alliance 
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Maggot
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Posted - 2006.02.17 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: migwar
its exactly the same when sniper is ganking frigs at a gate, apparently thats fair, but bringing 3/4 ships to take him down isnt
Exactly.
In this instance I think that Krom made the right call (other than the smack - which is always a bad thing when it happens from either side), they are not stupid.
We had:
More ships
They had:
A carrier
Bubbles
Warp in lag advantage
Given our recent battles at that gate we have had horrendous lag and expected to take massive losses whilst decloaking (we have had two battles against smaller forces that I am certain we should have won without loss that did not go as planned).
No excuses for the gang size, primary goal is to clear the gate, secondary is having a nice battle.
Kudos for bringing a carrier out to play. Its the first one U'K have faced. Maybe next time we will see it in action.
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migwar
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Posted - 2006.02.17 11:04:00 -
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True maggot,
If you can ignore the smack. You have effectivly won. The gate camp has gone, In their position i would do exactly the same, But i would withdraw quietly
"better to stay quiet and be thought of as an idiot, Than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt"
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Malken
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Posted - 2006.02.17 11:20:00 -
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Originally by: Sun Ra
I dont mind fighting outnumbered, its just funny when 20 people turn up for 6 of you and refuse to move away from the safety of sentries, then wonder why ypu wont fight them.
so true :)
the really fun part is when they call you weak and 4year old because you wont stay and get ganked by 20+ ships.
the even more fun part is that you sfespot and log for 20min and get some food and coffe and ready for round 2, log back in ahd the "blob" is now only 5scared ships still around as the rest got so bored sitting around smacktalking thin air.
and now when its 5 on 5 or something like that the "blobbers" run like insane when you engage.
funny isnt it
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2006.02.17 12:18:00 -
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KROM and pals get outblobbed on a daily basis.
The reason they smack like school kids is because they know some people like you will get mad at it.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.02.17 12:30:00 -
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Don't use Krom as an example and extrapolate from that.
They will find cause to smacktalk whatever the situation.
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2006.02.17 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Don't use Krom as an example and extrapolate from that.
They will find cause to smacktalk whatever the situation.
I swear I have seen them smacktalking an npc cruiser once. Honest.
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Malken
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Posted - 2006.02.17 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
Originally by: Deja Thoris
Don't use Krom as an example and extrapolate from that.
They will find cause to smacktalk whatever the situation.
I swear I have seen them smacktalking an npc cruiser once. Honest.
me and a couple of friends did that once for a half hour, we had so much fun
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Grim Starwind
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Posted - 2006.02.17 14:17:00 -
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Hi, my name is grim. Anyway.. now that's over with. I have an itsy story to tell aswell.
Anywho, my corp are "kinda" at war with NORAD and I rarely find any of their members (it's an alliance btw) by themselfs. If they're alone they sit in a station. Or just continue to run from me. Out of the whole alliance I'd say only about 4 or 5 of them can hold their own. I'm not saying their *** or anything, just that this is the case you guys are talking about. That no one will fight 1 on 1 but when about 10 of them get together they all think their amazing and that we're scared or something. Which isn't the case.. we're just not dumb enough to go 1 vs 10. .... well, I'm stupid =P but shhh.
Anywho, everytime I go looking to fight one of them... which if I get one on one (apart from the 4 or 5 of them that are actually good at PvP) it's usually a case of lock, orbit, jam, fire, KILL! Alls I'm saying is most people will use blobs because they is safe and don't want to lose their ships. Where as I don't care... I'll fly into your bubble or your blob backwards while scratching my ass. It's a game, you lose a ship OH NO! em, buy a new one.
I kinda don't know what I'm talking about lol I guess I'm just saying. Blobs = **** if your gonna moan about people not fighting you.
but I don't mean blobs as in about 20+ people. I just mean like when you outweigh your oponent 10 to 1. Which seems to be my problem all the time lol. but I still manage to get one here and there and have fun in the process.. I find it amusing they need to bring in 10+ people to camp gates and chase me all over.
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Je'hira Osiris
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Posted - 2006.02.17 14:44:00 -
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this is a gd point. note i have only read 1/2 the post but i had to add this. Im a pirate and i try and make as much trouble as possiable. If you come at me with 100 ships i would'nt care about the blob just do then start smaking when you out number the pirate and they sit in a station. We arent stupid and know when we cant win so no,,, we wont undock, yes we do know where the button is and our skills are high enuf to use it.. :-)
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Elegant
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Posted - 2006.02.17 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan
This being said however, I do make an exception for blobs who has the sole intent to force a threat away and nothing but. As long as they're not dumb enough to whine about the targets not staying to fight, I can accept it.
QFT
Blobs that smack are kinda pathetic. I mean sure there might be a tactical aspect in trying to goad the enemy, but has it ever actually worked?
On the otherhand...
As to all the people complaining that blobbing means there will be no fight... well, yeah. You are the ones that were looking to kill someone. The blobbers just want you gone, preferably by clone, but running works too. Sorry you couldnt continue killing people, it seems they got upset
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Havelcek
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Posted - 2006.02.17 15:23:00 -
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If the purpose was to clear the gate and force the pirates to logdock then sounds like it was successful.
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Trac3rt
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Posted - 2006.02.17 16:30:00 -
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Am I to assume then, that when I run into a Pirate gatecamp I will be engaged 1on1, while the rest of the gatecamp watches?
The numbers advantage is the easiest way to ensure a win in almost any engagement... The hard part is making that engagement happen.
Blobbing is also the best way to make up for lack of skills/resources. A fully T2 HAC/BS is SP intensive and devestating in the field, not everyone can fly one. The only effective way to counter is with superior numbers.
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Unuthiel
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Posted - 2006.02.17 18:40:00 -
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Quote:
What I really don't tolerate is when I go solo hunting, show my feathers to the locals, wait for 20 minutes and get jumped by a +10 gank squad that has specifically been assembled to take me, the lone threat.
That's the risk you took when you became a pirate. Some people don't like pirates, and will cooperate with other like minded people to reove a pirate from a system as efficiently as possible. Don't like it? Don't pirate.
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Antoinette Civari
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Posted - 2006.02.17 19:09:00 -
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Carebear blobs are ususally so badly organised that you can beat them 2:1 or even higher if you know what you are doing. Warp in at ~200km, kill their support. When their numbers dropped to an acceptable level, get in close ...
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crom ralphfao
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Posted - 2006.02.17 19:36:00 -
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hmmmm, sounds like a target of opportunity arose and they ran you out of system. why do sucky pirates constantly whine about this. the "blob" simply had you at a disadvantage, dry that thunb off and get them back next time.
if it was me, i would just fly to the next spot and start up operations.
maybe miners should ask the devs to reduce belt rat spawns to one ship instead of the overwhelming 3 to 1 odds we seem to always get. i mean really, it interrupts the gathering of my precious ore and i have to fit these pesky drones and use critical mining slots in order to do my job........god forbid that i have to start mining in a group or using tactics.
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Ishen Villone
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Posted - 2006.02.17 19:46:00 -
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since when do pirates look for fair fights?
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Iquos
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Posted - 2006.02.17 19:58:00 -
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Edited by: Iquos on 17/02/2006 20:00:26
I don't even understand how this has turned into a discussion. If you and 3 buddies are blowing up MY buddies ships, and I join a gang of 15 or 20 to remove you, I really don't care if you don't want to fight. You will either get popped, or leave, BOTH are perfectly acceptable outcomes to me. Watching certain "feared" enemies run away is payment enough for my time invested.
Nothing about fighting is unfair, plain and simple. Anyone who says otherwise has just lost a fight.
Edited to make sense...
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Gantry Koh
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Posted - 2006.02.17 22:38:00 -
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To the OP:
If you really wanted the fight, why didn't you divide into 2 groups, the first just slighly more in number than the pirate group you were wanting to take, jump into system, engage, then call in the reinforcements. You would probably have had a fight then.
If you were happy seeing them run, then you did your job. If the pirates were being buttholes and smacktalking, you can always ignore that...do what I do, dont look at local. Coming to the forums and posting a useless thread is not needed.
There are smacktalkers in EVERY SINGLE ONLINE GAME EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The question of "why do people find it necessary to smacktalk" has been asked and discussed and flamed in game forums for years.
You know what the answer is?
Some people are immature.
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.02.18 00:54:00 -
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Nobody reasonable has a problem with blobbing. It often happens where someone will have a significant advantage in terms of number over thier opponent.
What I do detest, is when the 'blobbers' won't fight a fair fight. Many times you'll find an opponent who constantly blobs in order to make up for thier own lack of skill. You'll find that many of these same people will run from an even numbered fight, and even at times from a fight where they only have a slight numbers advantage.
Most alliences, and large corps have been accussed of being blobbers, and to tell the truth everyone of them has blobbed on several occastions. BOB, 5, G the list is long and big. But you'll notice something about the alliences I've mentioned, they will fight on even numbered terms, and out numbered a fairly significant portion of the time.
However, there are some alliences, and I won't mention them to avoid flames, that won't engage at even strenght, or outnumbered at all. These are the people whom I have no respect for what so ever. Especially since in almost every instance I have meet these groups in game, they are alway always smacking about you not engageing. However, the moment renforcemnts, arrive, or some of them log off and the numbers look more even, they are gone like smoke in the wind.
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Shuttle Seller
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Posted - 2006.02.18 01:13:00 -
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If you can't take on a throw-together mob like that with CARRIER SUPPORT, you're kind of pitiful.
Seriously, you could have done it just by assigning all your fighters to some intie, and kiting the fleet until it was down to a more managable size.
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themule
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Posted - 2006.02.18 05:07:00 -
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Edited by: themule on 18/02/2006 05:07:57
Originally by: Shuttle Seller
If you can't take on a throw-together mob like that with CARRIER SUPPORT, you're kind of pitiful.
Seriously, you could have done it just by assigning all your fighters to some intie, and kiting the fleet until it was down to a more managable size.
My experance fighting against fighters leaves me less then impressed with them. We just warped in at long range and sniped the fighters... *pop* 25mil, *pop* 25mil etc.
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Scoundrelus
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Posted - 2006.02.18 05:21:00 -
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When I get blobbed by 20 people (not exaggerating) for being in a system for my one lone cruiser I can only feel one thing. Flattery. If im viewed as enough of a threat that they need such a large amount of people to take me down then hell I must be doing SOMETHING right.
But yeah, smacktalking blobs are lame.
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OrangeAfroMan
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Posted - 2006.02.18 06:30:00 -
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Originally by: pvtryan
correct me if I am wrong here, but is using numbers to win not exactly what the gate campers were intending to do before it was reversed and they suddenely found themselves on the revceiving side?
How ironic I would have thought.
run litte ones....run..
Hell yeah! Kickass post lol
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Uggster
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Posted - 2006.02.18 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Gantry Koh
To the OP:
If you really wanted the fight, why didn't you divide into 2 groups, the first just slighly more in number than the pirate group you were wanting to take, jump into system, engage, then call in the reinforcements. You would probably have had a fight then.
If you were happy seeing them run, then you did your job. If the pirates were being buttholes and smacktalking, you can always ignore that...do what I do, dont look at local. Coming to the forums and posting a useless thread is not needed.
There are smacktalkers in EVERY SINGLE ONLINE GAME EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The question of "why do people find it necessary to smacktalk" has been asked and discussed and flamed in game forums for years.
You know what the answer is?
Some people are immature.
Your nearly right, the real answer is : Frustration
I have been smacktalked by those that I've killed and also smacktalked by those that have just won a current battle but are actually loseing the overall war.
They are frustrated.
Pirates/grifers who do it and are not really losing territory are actually frustrated at themselves and like a bully without a target scream and sputter into the air cos it might help thier saddness.
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kessah
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Posted - 2006.02.18 21:14:00 -
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Kr0m are the Alpha and the Omega of EvE,
They are gods and all your smack and hostility towards them will be Judged when your at the gates of the Amarrian Afterlife. Where ex-Kr0m legends will be there.
Be it painfully or not your Life will be forfit to there will.
They are the chuck norris of EvE.
/me bows and hopes for a clean roundhouse kick to the face from Trevedian and Mike.
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Iquos
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Posted - 2006.02.18 21:31:00 -
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My take on smacking; It's rude, childish, and when you're on the recieving end, down-right funny as heck! What's a bully to do but call names when he's unable to fight back otherwise? I don't really care, you only make yourself look bad by smack-talking.
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upsideup
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Posted - 2006.02.18 23:34:00 -
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The annoying part is not the fact that people bring 3 to 1 odds. The annoying part is that there are people out there who will avoid even numbers or even 1 to 1.5 odds. These are the annoying people. They run away, until they have so many people that they cannot possibly lose.
Ignore smacktalkers, blobbers are people who won't fight fair fights, not people who outnumber the enemy.
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randy andy
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Posted - 2006.02.19 01:10:00 -
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Edited by: randy andy on 19/02/2006 01:14:31
We need numbers as our fighting skills are not as good as yours as we train for our jobs then fighting and you try to force us to fight,
so get used to us using numbers to fight or move to somewhere Else where other dont know you,
This is not a flame. I am just trying to inform
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Kumq uat
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Posted - 2006.02.19 02:13:00 -
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As I have said, kr0m smacktalks not because we are upset or frustrated or anything else. We smack because it gives us giggles on Vent. We at kr0m dont give a rats ass about you, your corp, your alliance, or your pet goldfish we sodomized last week. We do what we do because we enjoy it. We are not out to be nice guys.
If you enter our camp we will gank you, period.
If you blob on us we wont bend over and take it.
If you give us free kills because you don't find our smack funny, then hey, more for us.
If you pimp your sister out, dont complain when we buy her.
In short, we dont care about you or your feelings. We do what we find fun and funny.
And yes, we are the Chuck Norris of Eve. Bow for your roundhouse kicks ya lot of pansies.
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Superbus Maximus
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Posted - 2006.02.19 03:33:00 -
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Very good point I for one do not complain about being blobed, it flatters me quite frankly that so many people waist there time to try and kill me, but when it comes down to people expecting me to figt when its 25 on 5 and then smack talk on how much of a coward I am thats just stupid. I dont go call anyone a coawrd for getting blobbed by us or anyone we catch at a gate, and I treat everyone else with respect as long as they do the same for me.
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Shadow Lightbringer
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Posted - 2006.02.19 04:04:00 -
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I think the overall point is that pirate players want to kill people and industrial/carebears want to mine, trade or whatever. I myself am a carebear type and have been in the OP's situation before where there was a gate camp and we wanted to clear it.
Just because we blob up doesn't necessarily mean we are looking for a fight. A pirate player may like to project that attitude on us, but ussually we just want to have the gate clear for our own operations to pass through safely.
If we can blob for a little while and remove the threat, then so much the better. If the campers decide to fight then we'll shoot back or run away if we are getting our butts kicked.
But just because we blobbed ya doesn't mean you need to berate the folks that just busted up your gate camp. At the same times, the folks that blobbed the camp should not care if the campers are smack talking. The camp is removed and the gate is open, mission accomplished.
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Spiritech
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Posted - 2006.02.19 06:26:00 -
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This entire debate requires definition of the word "blob". Do you mean by this that your enemy outnumbers you by 3:1 or higher? or are there more things that define blob?
If numbers is your only definition of a blob, you blob every single day. The average pirate gatecamp contains 5-15 members, ganking single haulers, frigates and cruisers. nice, 5:1 to 15:1 odds. Now, when a corporation turns the tables on you, it's lame blobbing?
Please, pull the other one, the double standards in piracy are amazing.
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Rasta Rocketman
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Posted - 2006.02.19 07:22:00 -
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I think you identified the fundamental difference between how you think, and how pirates think.
Pirates play eve as a video game, for fun. The funnest part of Eve is PvP.
From your perspective, you PvP for some ingame political purpose, not for fun. You want to clear what you see as 'your space'. That is why pirates probably harrass you for blobbing them to kingdom come. They come for fun, and get blobbed so bad they cannot possibly fight.
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Iquos
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Posted - 2006.02.19 21:56:00 -
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I don't care about a "fair" fight, I care about *winning*. You running like a girly-man counts as me winning, blob or not, end of story.
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Evil Edna
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Posted - 2006.02.19 22:15:00 -
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well isnt this thread just amusing
the fact is if you had engaged us with something reasonable that would expect from an alliance with no real skilled pvpers, such as 2:1 odds we would have engaged without a second thought. both sides would have taken losses and it would have been a fun fight.
but to bring 60 people to break up a camp which had 12 bs + a carrier and some support, no thanks thats just lame
the only reason to bring that many people is showing that you have no faith in your pilots and gang leaders abilitys and rely purely on numbers to win the day, and the fact you made this whole thread to try and justify your actions kinda reinforces that.
when you get some skill and some balls we might stop smacking you, until that time suck it up.
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Iquos
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Posted - 2006.02.19 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Edna
well isnt this thread just amusing
the fact is if you had engaged us with something reasonable that would expect from an alliance with no real skilled pvpers, such as 2:1 odds we would have engaged without a second thought. both sides would have taken losses and it would have been a fun fight.
but to bring 60 people to break up a camp which had 12 bs + a carrier and some support, no thanks thats just lame
the only reason to bring that many people is showing that you have no faith in your pilots and gang leaders abilitys and rely purely on numbers to win the day, and the fact you made this whole thread to try and justify your actions kinda reinforces that.
when you get some skill and some balls we might stop smacking you, until that time suck it up.
You forget one key thing here; your goal is to disrupt the game for other players. Our goal is to play the game uninhibited. We fight out of necessity, for the most part, you fight out of desire. When we come with 3 or 4 or 10:1 odds, we're not looking for something fair, we're looking for you to bugger off. Whether you get popped or run scared(with good reason, I'd run from those odds too), we accomplish our objective. If someone really wants to prove that they're BETTER than you, they *will* 1v1 you, I see it happen all the time. People don't show up in groups of 30 to prove anything, they show up in groups of 30 to get you gone.
Mission accomplished. Thanks, drive-thru.
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Nova Ivanova
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Posted - 2006.02.19 23:58:00 -
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If you really want a fight, and hence a chance to "win" something, then bring a fleet closer to our numbers... We will fight outnumbered, we have better pilots, better tactics etc., but that wouldn't help us much when you bring a huge blob to confront us.
Sayin that you "won" because we quit campin a gate because we were outblobbed is ridiculous... You simply gave us an opportunity to eat, go the potty, etc.
All the blobbers out there that whine about pirate tactics need to imagine how things appear on the other side. Pirates want a fight, under the best circumstances, a great fight... But when they have been thoroughly scouted and you bring quadruple the numbers they should be disappointed, its a wasted opportunity.
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Iquos
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Posted - 2006.02.20 00:22:00 -
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Why is it ridiculous to say that accomplishing our goal, getting you to leave, is winning? You gank someone, you call that a "win", no?(though, I don't understand how half a dozen AF's/Inty's vs an itty V is any more fair than "blobbing"....) I don't care that what you want is a good fight, you force me to change the way I play the game because you want to have fun at my expense. That means that you **** people off. When you **** off enough people, it's *really* easy to get huge groups of ****ed off people together to try and **** YOU off. I've never sat around saying "man, we only outnumber them 2:1, we should get at least another dozen ships", it's simply a matter of there typically being enough people who want to get the gate clear for pirate free travel.
Don't blame me for your lack of people skills. If you want a good fight, don't pick on smaller ships, don't gate camp and gank, go find another group of people *also* looking for a good fight! If your way of having fun in the game is by getting a "good fight", why don't you pick fights with other people who are also willing to fight? It's just plain lack of judgement to engage people who have no intention of fighting, and then wondering "Sheesh, why won't they fight a fair fight?"
If I came over to your house, rang the bell, and when you opened the door jumped you and kicked the crap out of you, what would you think of me? Would you consider getting a couple friends together to show me what it's like to get the crap beaten out of you?
Think first.
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Kumq uat
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Posted - 2006.02.20 01:21:00 -
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Or we could greet you with a shotgun and a smile.
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2006.02.20 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: Rasta Rocketman
In response to the original poster...
I think you identified the fundamental difference between how you think, and how pirates think.
Pirates play eve as a video game, for fun. The funnest part of Eve is PvP.
From your perspective, you PvP for some ingame political purpose, not for fun. You want to clear what you see as 'your space'. That is why pirates probably harrass you for blobbing them to kingdom come. They come for fun, and get blobbed so bad they cannot possibly fight.
Also, the fundamental difference between good Pvpers and blobbers is:
Will you fight an even-odds fight? True blobbers never will, PvPers often times will. ask yourself that question and you will determine whether you are a blobber or not.
Quoted For Wisdom.
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Iquos
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Posted - 2006.02.20 03:46:00 -
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Originally by: Kumq uat
Or we could greet you with a shotgun and a smile.
But I didn't bring a shotgun, that's UNFAIR!!!!!!!11one
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Gwyntar
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Posted - 2006.02.26 12:24:00 -
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What amuses me is the pirates with high skill points, tricked out pvp setups and a tactical situation that means they require a minimal number of tacklers saying "we'll fight you if the numbes are even".
Because that would be nothing like even. By the time a "carebear" force has enough throw weight to match the pirates you're probabaly looking at 20-50% more BSs. Add in the tacklers and you're looking at 2:1 odds in terms of numbers at least just to get a fight that is even in terms of the inherent capabilities of the ships on each side (ignoring player skill, but including character skillpoints).
My experience of medium sized pirate forces is that they're very keen to gank lone haulers or PvEers, but they will only go into a fleet engagement if they are _certain_ of victory - they're not bad at fleet combat, but losing ships simply isn't part of their gameplan. They'd prefer to log out and wait for the hunter fleet to disperse, then get a couple of kills before it reforms and so on. Fair play. But don't come on here talking about "Carebears never want a good fight".
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Rikkard Strofeldt
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Posted - 2006.02.26 14:24:00 -
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Edited by: Rikkard Strofeldt on 26/02/2006 14:25:47
I don't believe in fair fights. I believe in acheiving my objective.
If my objective is to clear a gate camp of 2 BSs, then I will bring 8-10 frigates, and maybe a couple of destroyers. If I can't get that many, I may make do with 4-6 frigs. Probably not though.
If you run, objective complete. I'll give you a wave, and a hearty goodbye as you leave. If you stay and your ships pop, its a job well done, and I'll congratulate my friends. If you stay and we get hosed, I know to bring extras next time, or tweak the ship setups.
I may use tactics, I may not. There's actually a tactic in the Foundation Trilogy that I'd like to try, but it needs some adaption to work in EVE. You'll know when I get it right, because you'll get OMGWTFBBQPWND in short order. 
On the flipside, if you "blob" me, I'll assess the situation as quickly as possible, and decide upon my course. My options will be run, fight, or call in support, depending on what numbers are available. You never know, I might even have a counter blob waiting for you.
The most smack you'll get from me if I blob you is "awww, he don't wanna play.... /sarcasm". If I'm getting blobbed, "nice fleet you got there. Unfortunately I have somewhere else to be. cya "
I mean geez, no point wasting good ships and be sure to loose, when you can bring 5 times as many and avoid the fight altogether.
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Twilight Moon
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Posted - 2006.02.26 15:32:00 -
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Edited by: Twilight Moon on 26/02/2006 15:32:08
Originally by: branodn lee
Edited by: branodn lee on 17/02/2006 10:20:51
ya well the uk alliance is now doing pirateing aginst people. they will freely attack anyone in any alliance that has a pirate in it even if the rest of the alliance dont support pirates. so hey lets all attack the uk now to treat them like they treat everyone else since they arent a rp alliance any more. if you wonder what im talking about they have now said all ra are kos becouse it had a few bad apples.
Heh heh heh.....its you! We're coming for you....
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Nira Li
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Posted - 2006.02.26 18:31:00 -
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I don't mind ppl blobing, it will only give me good fraps and make me look uber when they die.
BUT, I hate when they start smacking if we decide not to engage and if they just blobed us and we are at a SS and some of their memmbers log and we get the upper hand , they often start whining calling us blobbers and lame.
As I said I don't mind blobbing as long as they don't smack, anyways if they are only outnumbering us 2:1 they will die
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Arlen Seek
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Posted - 2006.02.26 19:17:00 -
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Edited by: Arlen Seek on 26/02/2006 19:18:11
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
The Op has no point at all,
Most pirates outlaws/complain because the blob that comes for them is generally 3* the size of their force. Result = no fight. If thats what you wanted then cool..... you win, the pirates will probably leave/log.
Would a fight not be more fun for all involved ? and that was ruined by the idiots creating a massive gang due to fear of losing a ship
Alliaanna
Heck ya an attacker would want to minimize thier losses, any good army would want that. Overwheling power projection, get in, wipe out the enemy and move on. Everybody on both side, pirate and anti-pirate use this. Why is there any complaining or smack talking at all?
Many (not all), but many hunt in groups, corner thier prey and slaughter it. That's just the way it all works. Why is this even an issue again?
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Daos Leghki
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Posted - 2006.02.27 11:26:00 -
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Edited by: Daos Leghki on 27/02/2006 11:27:42
The way I see it, it's a question of goals and means. What are your goals when you enter combat? Is it to clear the route so commerce can resume? Then bringing unnecessarily large groups of people serves that purpose. Is it to have a good fight? Come with equal numbers. Is it to get off on being stronger than someone? Gank a gate.
There is also the issue of means. If I'd like to kill someone who specializes in combat, I know I'll need more than my own ship. I'm a miner and can barely fly cruisers well. A character as old as mine that specialized in combat could fly a battleship (badly). Does anyone really expect me to go one one one? I should hope not.
When I engage, it's for two reasons:
1. To protect myself because I'm under direct attack.
2. To protect my ability to do what I like by making life hard for potential pirates.
So, to the guys that ran off the gate camp: nice job, but don't smack. It makes life harder for everyone.
To the guys in the gate camp. If you want fleet battles with your nice shiny carrier, join an alliance. And if you want to hunt people who are armed with those deadly Strip Miner IIs, don't be surprised if they bring in friends. It's only a fact of life that as you become more specialized in one area, you're going to be further behind in in another. No one should be ashamed to bring friends to help cover your weaknesses.
*edit* To those who keep on talking about victory and good fights and whatnot: perhaps if you're seeking a good fight, and repeatedly getting attacked by waves of people who don't want to fight, but DO want you gone, maybe it's time to change tactics.
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Obmud
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Posted - 2006.02.27 12:13:00 -
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I don't really get your point in opening this topic and getting upset ? They smacktalked so you did not only kill them, you made them upset in addition.. happy day.
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jukriamrr
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Posted - 2006.02.27 14:17:00 -
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Edited by: jukriamrr on 27/02/2006 14:20:44
Originally by: Kumq uat
... or your pet goldfish we sodomized last week. We do what we do because we enjoy it.
If you pimp your sister out, dont complain when we buy her.
Ingame or outgame?
Taking care about what you write and how you do it... refrain... forums can be read by people who would be shocked by that (hell, some might even petition it)...
Dunno, my 2 cents...
EDIT: be evil ingame, I could no care less - in fact i find it great. On the forums, however, no one can know whether you are Kumq uat or the hairy biker behind his keyboard.
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Mangold
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Posted - 2006.02.27 18:23:00 -
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I have killed pirates that outnumbered us several times.
I have killed really good pirates.
I have been killed by some even better pirates. (waves to S******dlys and Tiller).
I respect most of them, especially Sniggs, Teddybears and some of the guys in MAFIA. They are really good and hard to kill.
I think the posts by Krom in this thread explains why I don't respect them. They and their friends usually snipe or gate camp a gate for a while and picks off lonely ships and feel brave. Whenever a larger force shows up they usually hide and smack in local. I just block most of them and don't care that much.
It's all about getting the upper hand in any battle and everyone will try to be ontop. I understand why they jumped out at this particulary time, I'd done the same thing myself. The thing that bothers me is the obvious lack of respect for the opponents as the chat logs shows.
You can play this game as you like, I don't really care, but don't expect anyone to respect you with this kind of behaviour. I am sure there are some really nice guys amongst you but so far I haven't had the pleasure of meeting them. I am looking forward to that.
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Sphalerite
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Posted - 2006.02.27 20:42:00 -
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The thing about blobbing is that it's only effective while you're camping your 60 ships there. If your goal is to make them leave instead of killing them, they'll come right back as soon as you leave.
Blobbing is a second rate tactic for those without the skills to actually kill their enemy. Its much less of a deterent than killing peoples ships, and you are always wasting more of your man hours than your enemies.
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Zyer
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Posted - 2006.02.28 14:04:00 -
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Actually we killed one BB before we jumped so we won |
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