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kaufmann	Posted - 2006.02.17 12:14:00 - [1] I ask this as a simple peon : Which Fleetcommander will send his fleet into a region where the suddendeath waits? Are Titans something similiar to the nuclear-weapon-threat of the real world? Is the amount of work to get such a behemoth so enormous, that those involved will quit eve totally depressed, after endless Mining Ops for the bigger goal? almost the same goes for Carriers and motherships, where is the fun in this? whine whine , i know, but cant we all just fight the old fashioned way ? Or at least give me some enlightenement, how this will go on.
Shin Ra	Posted - 2006.02.17 12:16:00 - [2] They are a lot easier to destroy than they are to get.
Fogy	Posted - 2006.02.17 12:17:00 - [3] Carriers are lots of fun! the cost price is allot less than on a dread.. anyways, a carrier is ment to be a suport shipp, not a front line ofence weapon. you can asign the fighters to other players, so they'll still come to good use. seen the bonuses on the carriers / motherships? remote repair, shield boost and cap transfer... get the deal? suport. Cheers! Fogy "From my rotting boddy flowers shall grow and I am in them, and that is eternity" ♥RUBRA♥
lofty29	Posted - 2006.02.17 12:18:00 - [4] Titans are not the be-all-end-all ships of eve. A well balanced fleet of battleships to take down the support and frigates to tackle things will relatively easily take down a titan. A titan, I beleive, goes down in under a minute to a fleet of 100+ gank battleships. --------------------------- Originally by: Wrangler I see boobies!! \o/
lofty29	Posted - 2006.02.17 12:19:00 - [5] Originally by: Fogy Carriers are lots of fun! the cost price is allot less than on a dread.. anyways, a carrier is ment to be a suport shipp, not a front line ofence weapon. you can asign the fighters to other players, so they'll still come to good use. seen the bonuses on the carriers / motherships? remote repair, shield boost and cap transfer... get the deal? suport. Cheers! Fogy I agree. Look at the bonus's on a logistics ship. Its virtually the same as a carrier, just the carrier is bigger and has a few drones. Why do you think CCP implemented the ability to assign drones to gang members. --------------------------- Originally by: Wrangler I see boobies!! \o/
Ithildin	Posted - 2006.02.17 12:23:00 - [6] Their super weapons are only insta-kill on cruisers and below. Some HACs can survive the blasts (armour implanted pilot in a Zealot needs about 70-80% resist in order to survive a level 5 Titan blast, not counting leakage - this is without counting plates!), battlecruisers can be setup to survive, and battleships need to get some armour redundancy in order to prevent leakage to hull. Originally by: Shin Ra They are a lot easier to destroy than they are to get. On test server they couldn't be nossed. I think that might've changed. If not, a keen Titan pilot cannot be killed as it'll just jump drive to a cov ops pilot in a different system. Also, you need interdictors to scramble it. Easy to kill? Yes Easy to make stay put? No, not really. It can't be scrambled without interdictors or bubbles. Originally by: KilROCK Originally by: Arkanor Gallente missileboat might be cool. Pod yourself till you got no skills.[
lofty29	Posted - 2006.02.17 12:39:00 - [7] Originally by: Ithildin Their super weapons are only insta-kill on cruisers and below. Some HACs can survive the blasts (armour implanted pilot in a Zealot needs about 70-80% resist in order to survive a level 5 Titan blast, not counting leakage - this is without counting plates!), battlecruisers can be setup to survive, and battleships need to get some armour redundancy in order to prevent leakage to hull. Originally by: Shin Ra They are a lot easier to destroy than they are to get. On test server they couldn't be nossed. I think that might've changed. If not, a keen Titan pilot cannot be killed as it'll just jump drive to a cov ops pilot in a different system. Also, you need interdictors to scramble it. Easy to kill? Yes Easy to make stay put? No, not really. It can't be scrambled without interdictors or bubbles. So? Get 5 interdicators. Thats enough warp scrambleage to lock it down for 20 minutes. --------------------------- Originally by: Wrangler I see boobies!! \o/
Gunstar Zero	Posted - 2006.02.17 12:43:00 - [8] Titan could just use it's superweapon on 100 BS :-) omg the killmails!
Rafein	Posted - 2006.02.17 12:51:00 - [9] Ya, but BS's could survive the Titan Super Weapon. And everyone will have enough time to leave the area when a Titan is warming up it's super, so everyone can dodge the attack. But Titans are support ships, like carriers. Kept out of combat, they provide movable cloning/ships/and outfitting, so a player who dies can instantly reenter the battle with a new ship.
kaufmann	Posted - 2006.02.17 13:01:00 - [10] Originally by: Rafein Ya, but BS's could survive the Titan Super Weapon. And everyone will have enough time to leave the area when a Titan is warming up it's super, so everyone can dodge the attack. How much time do they need for warming up? Do they make the system blink with red alert lamps,when they have started this superhammer ?
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.02.17 13:11:00 - [11] :( my BS with 11k hardened armor. 7.5k structure. and some 6k shields died to a superweapon. im pretty sure it would pop most BS. -------------------Sig----------------------- Decrease blaster CPU useage Decrease Hybrid cap useage Balance all weapon systems DO IT SOON
Twilight Moon	Posted - 2006.02.17 13:17:00 - [12] What does the Titan pilot do when he needs to log out? Its not as if he can dock for safety. Anyway....I'd imagine they'd make excellent mobile space stations for mining ops and the like.....although a mothership would probably be better.
Sonreir	Posted - 2006.02.17 13:28:00 - [13] The Titan's Doomsday device is the least of its abilities. The ability to move your whole fleet the span of the galaxy without the use of jump gates is way better than dealing out ~50K single-type dmg to an entire grid (which can only be done once an hour). Also, Titans are parked at a POS when pilot is not logged in.
CelticKnight	Posted - 2006.02.17 14:07:00 - [14] Originally by: Sonreir The Titan's Doomsday device is the least of its abilities. The ability to move your whole fleet the span of the galaxy without the use of jump gates is way better than dealing out ~50K single-type dmg to an entire grid (which can only be done once an hour). Also, Titans are parked at a POS when pilot is not logged in. Pheonix alliance builds the first titan in game.. parks it at thier large pos.. within 12hrs a .5. spy uses his battleship to nudge the titan out of the shields.. a .5. member jumps in said titan.... ZOMG! they made the news... AGAIN! Does this small situation sound familiar? i can still hear my friend in PA SCREAMING blue murder over teamspeak about that episode....
Spektral	Posted - 2006.02.17 14:13:00 - [15] Originally by: Sonreir The Titan's Doomsday device is the least of its abilities. The ability to move your whole fleet the span of the galaxy without the use of jump gates is way better than dealing out ~50K single-type dmg to an entire grid (which can only be done once an hour). Also, Titans are parked at a POS when pilot is not logged in. CAn we have a link that confirms that the damage from a Doomsday is indeed Grid wide? That would make them extremely dangerous
Veskrashen	Posted - 2006.02.17 14:16:00 - [16] The Titan doesn't even need to be there to be effective. Just have a Cynosural field on a heavily tanked BS or dread, and fire it through that from 12 AU away.
Grimpak	Posted - 2006.02.17 14:36:00 - [17] Originally by: CelticKnight Originally by: Sonreir The Titan's Doomsday device is the least of its abilities. The ability to move your whole fleet the span of the galaxy without the use of jump gates is way better than dealing out ~50K single-type dmg to an entire grid (which can only be done once an hour). Also, Titans are parked at a POS when pilot is not logged in. Pheonix alliance builds the first titan in game.. parks it at thier large pos.. within 12hrs a .5. spy uses his battleship to nudge the titan out of the shields.. a .5. member jumps in said titan.... ZOMG! they made the news... AGAIN! Does this small situation sound familiar? i can still hear my friend in PA SCREAMING blue murder over teamspeak about that episode.... ---------------- Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
Max Teranous	Posted - 2006.02.17 15:41:00 - [18] Originally by: Gronsak :( my BS with 11k hardened armor. 7.5k structure. and some 6k shields died to a superweapon. im pretty sure it would pop most BS. If you know the type of titan you are going to face, you are easily able to tank appropriately so that a BS can take it. For example, a Tempest vs an EM super weapon with a 1600m plate and a single EM hardener will allow you to take the hit and drop to about 30% armour: Tempest, 1 plate, 1 EM Hardener: ààà......à..HP.......EM Resist....Effective HP shield........6676.........0%....à........6676 armour......9707........85%...à......64712 structure....6641........0%....à........6641 Total: 78029 If you know the titan type, you can tank with a BS. Max
Filan	Posted - 2006.02.17 16:45:00 - [19] main issue for a titan is its shear size means every weapon type will do tons of damage including a dread with Citadel Torpedos. 60min repop on the nuke also means you send in sackable ships, get them to blow off the nuke and then send in the gank squad.
without	Posted - 2006.02.17 16:52:00 - [20] Originally by: Max Teranous Originally by: Gronsak :( my BS with 11k hardened armor. 7.5k structure. and some 6k shields died to a superweapon. im pretty sure it would pop most BS. If you know the type of titan you are going to face, you are easily able to tank appropriately so that a BS can take it. For example, a Tempest vs an EM super weapon with a 1600m plate and a single EM hardener will allow you to take the hit and drop to about 30% armour: Tempest, 1 plate, 1 EM Hardener: ààà......à..HP.......EM Resist....Effective HP shield........6676.........0%....à........6676 armour......9707........85%...à......64712 structure....6641........0%....à........6641 Total: 78029 If you know the titan type, you can tank with a BS. 56.25k damage from max skilled titan of one pure damage type. your example is very skewed, useing a tempest and EM damage with a base of 70% already. how about try a thermal base or kin. but the biggest point is that one plate and one em hardener will in most cases gimp ur ship a lot. and what if 2 titans arrive. one shoots EM the second shoots explosive like 2secodns later. first one pops 95% of everything on grid. second one pops the remaining 5% and pods the inital 95% :P.
Prodigal Stones	Posted - 2006.02.17 16:57:00 - [21] I see stats laid out as how a BS can tank a Titan and 100+ BS can take out a Titan in one minute no sweat, but really, when is a Titan alone?. IT won't stumble around looking for Veldspar and be caught by a huge ganksquad. A Titan will NEVER travel alone. It's just too much investment put at risk for no particular reason. IF you expect to kill only a Titan, you'll be surprised by it's escort. If you expect to only have ot tank a Titan, you'll be defenseless against every other type of damage that comes along with it. Of course, you already know that...
Arch Aggelos	Posted - 2006.02.17 17:13:00 - [22] Does its super weapon, kill all the friendlys also ? or just the baddies. Cant wait to jump to yulai and back, that would be awsome :)
without	Posted - 2006.02.17 17:15:00 - [23] Originally by: Arch Aggelos Does its super weapon, kill all the friendlys also ? or just the baddies. Cant wait to jump to yulai and back, that would be awsome :) not sure but id assume it would be all. otherwise it would make no sense at all.
Triscuit	Posted - 2006.02.17 17:48:00 - [24] Originally by: Arch Aggelos Does its super weapon, kill all the friendlys also ? or just the baddies. Cant wait to jump to yulai and back, that would be awsome :) The superweapon is equivalent to a giant smartbomb. It inflicts damage to everything within range, friend or foe.
benzeb	Posted - 2006.02.17 17:55:00 - [25] Titans are very dangerous with a good timing, fleet fight are engaged someone use a cyno, warp gang from the allied fleet and titans jumps, boom. It s like a smart bomb with an ugly range, if there are a pod, he is killpod, friend are hit by the doomsday. But if you know ennemy have a titan, be careful and try to know witch titan to know is damage, and the DD's effects are most useless. after, it s an ship who tank as well as a dread in siege mod with no siege mod(capa2 pgd2 ) so he can use a cyno to get out 30s after he comes. indestructible if he s not afk.
Ishen Villone	Posted - 2006.02.17 18:15:00 - [26] I think they will be the start of a whole new kind of fun.
ProphetGuru	Posted - 2006.02.17 19:39:00 - [27] Talking about titans like they will be operated solo is pointless. Titans have more uses then just the doomsday weapon. That being said, the doomsday weapons can be very good if used by a good fleet with good timing and tactics. I'd have the cyno spot bookmarked, and a fleet of blasterthrons/acpest/torpravens arriving on top of the enemy fleet within seconds of the damn thing going off, with interdictors warping in from different spots in the system popping bubbles to cover the grid.... But I'm evil. Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
ponieus	Posted - 2006.02.17 20:13:00 - [28] word is.. correct me if im wrong but a Titan is just like a mothership.. Immune to any and all EW. Meaning it can not be scrambled nor jameed nor webbed.. So pretty much if they guys isnt sleeping the titan can moved around pretty much at will with little to nothihng to worry about..
Jacmert Corra'Halcyon	Posted - 2006.02.17 20:57:00 - [29] Originally by: ponieus word is.. correct me if im wrong but a Titan is just like a mothership.. Immune to any and all EW. Meaning it can not be scrambled nor jameed nor webbed.. So pretty much if they guys isnt sleeping the titan can moved around pretty much at will with little to nothihng to worry about.. From what I've read in this thread, warp bubbles and interdictors should be able to stop it (probably because they're not targeted effects). -------- Jacmert - "Jesus Boy" http://www.sfu.ca/~pkchan
LWMaverick	Posted - 2006.02.17 21:11:00 - [30] Originally by: Ithildin Their super weapons are only insta-kill on cruisers and below. Some HACs can survive the blasts Are you sure about that? When they tested it on sisi, only dreadnoughts and 4+ 1600m plated bs' survived. /Mav With great power, comes great responsibility.

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