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Hamatitio	Posted - 2006.02.17 21:20:00 - [31] My guess would be 50% bonus to damage, probably a typo or something. + They all have max skills on the test server :) --- I Post on the forums for Fate. Im cool. Industrialists wanted
Zungen	Posted - 2006.02.17 21:44:00 - [32] fact is most people arent going to be tanked for anything, especially in a fleet battle, and more not knowing they have a titan very seldom you will find bs's with 4-6 hards during a fleet battle so most bs's will indeed popped as they will fit for a fleet battle and dmg, not a tank
Baun	Posted - 2006.02.17 21:50:00 - [33] considering how fast a dread in siege mode dies to a POS + medium sized BS fleet, a Titan will be a big sitting duck if it ever enters the grid in a fleet battle. Question is, can a titan fire its superweapon from inside a POS bubble? The Enemy's Gate is Down
Glassback	Posted - 2006.02.17 22:05:00 - [34] Originally by: Rafein Ya, but BS's could survive the Titan Super Weapon. And everyone will have enough time to leave the area when a Titan is warming up it's super, so everyone can dodge the attack. But Titans are support ships, like carriers. Kept out of combat, they provide movable cloning/ships/and outfitting, so a player who dies can instantly reenter the battle with a new ship. AFAIK, the Doomsday device can be remotly activated on a cyno field, therefore the Titan can be in a SafeSpot and still destroy the enemy fleet while providing support for the fleet. G. I've got an idea--an idea so smart that my head would explode if I even began to know what I'm talking about
fire 59	Posted - 2006.02.17 22:06:00 - [35] Thats all well and good that it may be targetted, but in the time it'd take you to hurt it, half your fleet would be in pods from the defending fleet. Eat my hybid *****-dog, my views are my own and do not reflect my corp or the alliance
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.02.17 22:20:00 - [36] Originally by: LWMaverick Originally by: Ithildin Their super weapons are only insta-kill on cruisers and below. Some HACs can survive the blasts Are you sure about that? When they tested it on sisi, only dreadnoughts and 4+ 1600m plated bs' survived. /Mav a sac with a t2 thermal hardener and 2 energized adaptives will have stats of: Shield HP: 2070 EM: 0% EX: 90% KI: 70% TH: 20% Armour HP: 1797 EM: 82.91% EX: 91.19% KI: 83.49% TH: 87.12% Structure HP: 1875 a doomsday device with level 4 skills does 52500 of racial damage. As explosive has the highest resists both times we'll try that Shield: 90% resistance, 10% damage applied, 5250 of resisted damage in total, only 2070 applied, 39% damage needs to be applied 52500 * 0.39 = 20475 remaining Armour: 91.19% resistance, 8.81% damage applied, 20475 * 0.0881 = 1803.8475. Total armour HP is 1797, meaning 99.62% damage is applied and 0.38% damage needs to be applied to structure. 20475 * 0.0038 = 77.805 damage remaining Structure: 0% resistance, 77.805 damage applied, 1797.195 structure remaining the maths might be slightly off, but it still shows a well tanked hac won't be one-volleyed by a doomsday device Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Sarmaul 4tw.
ProphetGuru	Posted - 2006.02.17 22:26:00 - [37] Ships will survive, but that's irrelevant really. If you hit with a domsday weapon, it will effectively put those fleets out of action. If a fleet warps in on me in a hac after a doomsday strike, and I have only 1700str left..... any bs will 1 volley me. Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
Tas Devil	Posted - 2006.02.17 22:32:00 - [38] This post has got to be the least usefull and silliest in a long time... 99.99% of players in eve will never fly a Titan... yet we already have dozens of titan experts... there is truly only one aspect of EVE I hate... the amount of arm chair theorists that it generates who all claim high and loud their expertise on ANY subject ...even when they very clearly talk out of their a$$hole The best Laught ever ... Credit goes to TheKiller8 for this :)
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.02.17 22:36:00 - [39] Originally by: Tas Devil This post has got to be the least usefull and silliest in a long time... 99.99% of players in eve will never fly a Titan... yet we already have dozens of titan experts... there is truly only one aspect of EVE I hate... the amount of arm chair theorists that it generates who all claim high and loud their expertise on ANY subject ...even when they very clearly talk out of their a$$hole tbh, there's only one ****** I see in this thread and I quoted him. if you have nothing important or useful to add, stfu. Originally by:** Jenny Spitfire Sarmaul 4tw.
Tas Devil	Posted - 2006.02.17 22:37:00 - [40] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: LWMaverick Originally by: Ithildin Their super weapons are only insta-kill on cruisers and below. Some HACs can survive the blasts Are you sure about that? When they tested it on sisi, only dreadnoughts and 4+ 1600m plated bs' survived. /Mav a sac with a t2 thermal hardener and 2 energized adaptives will have stats of: Shield HP: 2070 EM: 0% EX: 90% KI: 70% TH: 20% Armour HP: 1797 EM: 82.91% EX: 91.19% KI: 83.49% TH: 87.12% Structure HP: 1875 a doomsday device with level 4 skills does 52500 of racial damage. As explosive has the highest resists both times we'll try that Shield: 90% resistance, 10% damage applied, 5250 of resisted damage in total, only 2070 applied, 39% damage needs to be applied 52500 * 0.39 = 20475 remaining Armour: 91.19% resistance, 8.81% damage applied, 20475 * 0.0881 = 1803.8475. Total armour HP is 1797, meaning 99.62% damage is applied and 0.38% damage needs to be applied to structure. 20475 * 0.0038 = 77.805 damage remaining Structure: 0% resistance, 77.805 damage applied, 1797.195 structure remaining the maths might be slightly off, but it still shows a well tanked hac won't be one-volleyed by a doomsday device Yes except your math is totally wrong as you make a serious mistake in calculating how much damage goes through the shield... all this pseudo argumnetation and you can't do a simple substraction right Look at it again and you'll find that 31,800 base damage does through the shield ...not 20,475 like you claim... and I can assure you that makes the difference... so POP goes the SAC and all your failed theory with it... The best Laught ever ... Credit goes to TheKiller8 for this :)
Tas Devil	Posted - 2006.02.17 22:38:00 - [41] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Tas Devil This post has got to be the least usefull and silliest in a long time... 99.99% of players in eve will never fly a Titan... yet we already have dozens of titan experts... there is truly only one aspect of EVE I hate... the amount of arm chair theorists that it generates who all claim high and loud their expertise on ANY subject ...even when they very clearly talk out of their a$$hole tbh, there's only one ******** I see in this thread and I quoted him. if you have nothing important or useful to add, stfu. I have look above it involves your poor math... The best Laught ever ... Credit goes to TheKiller8 for this :)
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.02.17 22:45:00 - [42] Edited by: Sarmaul on 17/02/2006 22:45:55 nm, pwned by ninja posting skills Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Sarmaul 4tw.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.02.17 22:50:00 - [43] Originally by: Tas Devil stuff thank you - I had realised that afterwards tbh I'm too tired to try and do the correct figures so I just deleted the post. now, can you please tell me how getting a simple subtraction wrong (which has nothing to do with the inner workings of titans, but the maths of tanking which applies to hundreds of issues) equates to "dozens of titan experts talking out of their arse"? Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Sarmaul 4tw.
Noriath	Posted - 2006.02.17 22:55:00 - [44] Capital ships are relatively easy to destroy if you make a determined effort to do so, because of that I doubt that they will ever be really worth the cost of manufacturing them. Especially a titan is more of a symbol of power then a real warship. Only a total idiot would comit a titan to every little skirmish where it could be destroyed through lag or whatever...
Nanobotter Mk2	Posted - 2006.02.17 23:01:00 - [45] "Easy to kill? Yes" you call needing atleast 100 BS easy to kill LMAO.
Tas Devil	Posted - 2006.02.17 23:03:00 - [46] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Tas Devil stuff thank you - I had realised that afterwards tbh I'm too tired to try and do the correct figures so I just deleted the post. now, can you please tell me how getting a simple subtraction wrong (which has nothing to do with the inner workings of titans, but the maths of tanking which applies to hundreds of issues) equates to "dozens of titan experts talking out of their arse"? You took it all very personally ... here is the blue pill that cures paranoia... my comment was about all the armchair strategist that already have a theory on titans and on how to use them etc...yet you read all these posts and 90% of the information contradicts itself... fact is again 99.999% of eve players won't ever fly a Titan ... the game probably won't have more then a halfa dozen titans at most... and 99% of eve players will never even see one or come close to one... apart from telling their corp mates that they know a guy in a corp who used to be in BOB and one of his old corp mates said he saw one...blah blah blah... hell for all we know CCP don't even know themselves how titans will affect EVE ...just looking at how buggy carriers are because CCP never tested them before releasing them with RMR makes me think that titans are still in the making and that all thy finalised is the artwork. The best Laught ever ... Credit goes to TheKiller8 for this :)
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.02.17 23:12:00 - [47] Originally by: Tas Devil Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Tas Devil stuff thank you - I had realised that afterwards tbh I'm too tired to try and do the correct figures so I just deleted the post. now, can you please tell me how getting a simple subtraction wrong (which has nothing to do with the inner workings of titans, but the maths of tanking which applies to hundreds of issues) equates to "dozens of titan experts talking out of their arse"? You took it all very personally ... heh, as you might've guessed I'm very tired and cranky, so sorry Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 "Easy to kill? Yes" you call needing atleast 100 BS easy to kill LMAO. Titans have under double the hitpoints of a dreadnought and no siege mode (which makes your reps/boosters repair more, and repair it quicker). the biggest thing going for it is the fact that it's immune to ewar so can warp out. however, they (probably due to the high mass) take an absolute age to align and get up to speed, and can be bumped out of alignment by other ships. tbh, that doomsday device has a dual role: an offensive weapon when fired through a cyno field onto the enemy fleet, and a defensive weapon when it's getting it's arse kicked :) Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Sarmaul 4tw.
Xeios	Posted - 2006.02.17 23:48:00 - [48] in all fairness any ship that tries to bump a titan should suffer from the whole bug on a windshield thing.
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.02.17 23:51:00 - [49] Originally by: Xeios in all fairness any ship that tries to bump a titan should suffer from the whole bug on a windshield thing. I agree - small ships should not be possible of bumping big ships the way they can atm. I take great delight in mwding a 5 nano muninn into any freighter I see while moving it about. great fun Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Sarmaul 4tw.
Eternal Fury	Posted - 2006.02.18 00:02:00 - [50] Would Titans not be use more in a seige type senario? And alliance wants to take control of a system, so they all gather around a titan, and everyone jumps into the target system, and start clearing it out, useing the Titan as a base of operations. This way you can take over a system easier? This would make more sense. Dunno about you, but if an alliance warps into my home system, and I see a titan apear, and my corp/alliance doesnt' have one, wouldn't this work as a simple psyops? I mean, I dunno about you guys, but the thought of thought of a titan warping into the system I have my cruiser in scares the the crap out of me. - - - - Q: Can I change skills without logging in or Que skills? A: no. to both. End of story. Q: Wheres the Search button on the forums? A: There isn't one. go here. www.eve-search.com
Baun	Posted - 2006.02.18 00:18:00 - [51] Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 "Easy to kill? Yes" you call needing atleast 100 BS easy to kill LMAO. Remember, they cant even repair as well as a Dread. You don't need 100 BS focusing fire on a ship with the Titan HP to kill it, you just need to be able to hold it there. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Valea Silpha	Posted - 2006.02.18 00:32:00 - [52] Titans aren't about any of their combat abilities. They are all about the 'mobile station' abilities... Even if you can destroy a titan, you have to ask yourself if its more worth going after the attendant fleet and wiping it out leaving the titan to flee... simply because 50ish ships around it = a massive blow to a lot of pilots, especially if the titan jumps out .. destroying the titan is like taking out a pos. An inconvenaince certainly , but its friends will not be happy ... I have some sort of genetic defect that makes my sigs too big :(
Baun	Posted - 2006.02.18 00:37:00 - [53] Originally by: Valea Silpha Titans aren't about any of their combat abilities. They are all about the 'mobile station' abilities... Even if you can destroy a titan, you have to ask yourself if its more worth going after the attendant fleet and wiping it out leaving the titan to flee... simply because 50ish ships around it = a massive blow to a lot of pilots, especially if the titan jumps out .. destroying the titan is like taking out a pos. An inconvenaince certainly , but its friends will not be happy ... a 75billion + 65billion in startup cost inconvenience ...... In any case, I am sure that most Titan pilots will never take it into the same grid as a fleet battle of any real size. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Dorah Hawkwing	Posted - 2006.02.18 00:41:00 - [54] Titan has a few slots more to play around with for tanking/cap recharge/etc. than a dread
Livia Tarquina	Posted - 2006.02.18 01:15:00 - [55] Is an alliance going to spend all that money to admire their new Titan in the garage? They've got to take it out at least once. The suspense would be unbearable in my opinion. CCP might as well not release it if its not going to be used. People say its a paper tiger, but I believe that any alliance that can make it also has the experience to know how to use it. "Big guns and heavy armor what else is there?" --Amarrian Admiral before entering battle against Jove Navy
Cmd Woodlouse	Posted - 2006.02.18 01:16:00 - [56] Originally by: Dorah Hawkwing Titan has a few slots more to play around with for tanking/cap recharge/etc. than a dread It would atleast need 4 capital reppers to run indefinately to tank as effective as a dread. and then fit atleast 3 uber hardeners. Maybe its possible, but still u can take it out with 40ish BS relatively fast and thats not a rly high number tbh. -G- Pink Power Darko1107 > i'd rather be fat tbh :P
Sky Hunter	Posted - 2006.02.18 02:59:00 - [57] Originally by: kaufmann I ask this as a simple peon : Which Fleetcommander will send his fleet into a region where the suddendeath waits? Are Titans something similiar to the nuclear-weapon-threat of the real world? Is the amount of work to get such a behemoth so enormous, that those involved will quit eve totally depressed, after endless Mining Ops for the bigger goal? almost the same goes for Carriers and motherships, where is the fun in this? whine whine , i know, but cant we all just fight the old fashioned way ? Or at least give me some enlightenement, how this will go on. Whole point of hunting a titan is just force it to use its doomsday weapon. Once he killed first wave of attackers, 2-3x bigger wave come in and have a full hour to deal with it. More of that titan dont have siege mode, so tanking wont last long against gang dmg focus. If in that tactic fleet will loose 20 ships even, the sacrifice will be worth it against a 70bil+ ship that also have insane reqs to build(bpo cost alone + minerals + capital parts + time). -=-
Livia Tarquina	Posted - 2006.02.18 03:53:00 - [58] I see the titan as a finishing move where it and a reserve fleet warp in and win the battle. Considering how long it takes to fire it once, using it at the beginning would be suicide. "Big guns and heavy armor what else is there?" --Amarrian Admiral before entering battle against Jove Navy
Benglada	Posted - 2006.02.18 04:29:00 - [59] Originally by: Ithildin Their super weapons are only insta-kill on cruisers and below. Some HACs can survive the blasts (armour implanted pilot in a Zealot needs about 70-80% resist in order to survive a level 5 Titan blast, not counting leakage system. You mean like hanns? :D --------------------------- Originally by: Wrangler Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote..
Elegant	Posted - 2006.02.18 05:09:00 - [60] Heh I, being the armchair theorist that I am, have already started thinking up fun uses for titans. I think you'd get the most mileage out of the superweapon not from actually firing it, but from the threat of firing it. I mean think about it; middle of a battle against a fleet you know has a titan in system. Suddenly a cynofield lights off nearby. What does your fleet do? Scatter. You'd be stupid not to. And now the enemy has time to regroup or pop the stragglers. And it's not like you can afford to call the bluff either. So the threat of a doomsday blast is ironically more effective than the blast itself. Essentially you can force the enemy fleet out of posistion any time you feel like it. Do it often enough and enemy organiztion starts to break down. Mistakes are made. Eventually you either catch them deciding to not warp out or they start taking too many losses from stragglers being picked off as they evac that they have to disengage.

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