I got ganked while auto-piloting my fleet ecmgu on some random high-sec gate. It was standard t2 fit - armor plate, umbra ecm, navy adaptive nano. Nothing fancy, standard cheapo fit.

Anyways, I see a lot of concord on empire gates every time i come out of w-space, a lot more then a few years ago even.

The fact that suicide gankers are these days ganking even standard fleet ships, i.e. scrapping bottom of the barrel, means this particular mode of pvp is getting out of hand.

I have checked killboard of that no-doubt multiboxing dude. Thousands of empire ganks, not a single loss, and at regular intervals, fresh set of 10-12 catalyst pilots.

Its not cool. Ganking haulers for chance to make a pile of isk - great, all for it. Ganking standard fleet ships - wtf? Whats next, they going to suicide-gank FW frigates en route to lowsec?

Right now theres no consequences to suicide ganking. Let me correct this, there no MEANINGFUL consequences. Security status? Please, so easy to work around it. Cost of ships? 2mil per destroyer is not a cost. Brutix hull? Pff.

Solution.

Make it cost something to gank. I propose rework of bounty and kill right mechanic:

Want to suicide gank? Pay to shoot. Pay to concord to activate a temporary kill right on your victim, with price determined by value of the victim. And heres the kicker - victim determines his value by paying to concord his own bounty.

So lets say I want to avoid getting ganked, I think Im not worth more then a bil, so I pay to concord my value, 1bn. That expires, like insurance, by the way. Call it suicide insurance, can tie it to clone value.

Anyhow, ganker wants to gank me, he has to now pay to concord a proportion of that value tied to value of my ship or something, and then he can get a kill right on me. Otherwise, cant shoot me in high sec.

This forces gankers to PAY. Ends rampant non-targeted ganking, AND solves isk inflation.

I got ganked while auto-piloting my...

Guess who I'm going to gank tomorrow.

and I stopped reading right there.

Play the game or don't. In other words be at your keyboard.

Let me ask you, ever played a game called Fallout? And then particularly F3 or 'Las Vegas'?
There is an option to auto move through the wastelands, 'q' key I think.
Now in those wastelands there is scum, animals, mutated animals, mutated mutants and they all want you dead.
Tell me, if you play F3 and hit 'q' and go bake a cake, put out the trash or whatever, do you really expect to see your character alive when you come back to the screen?

Rules of EVE:

Rule No. #1 don't trust anybody.
Rule No. #2 never fly autopilot.

I got ganked while auto-piloting my fleet ecmgu on some random high-sec gate. It was standard t2 fit - armor plate, umbra ecm, navy adaptive nano. Nothing fancy, standard cheapo fit.

auto-piloting my fleet ecmgu on some random high-sec gate. It was standard t2 fit - armor plate, umbra ecm, navy adaptive nano

auto-piloting... navy adaptive nano

Your 'solution' is not.

Quite simply because gankers do not require or desire kill rights (would have thought you'd have figured this one out).

If, on the other hand, you are proposing that suicide ganking not be allowed, full stop:

Get out.

Oh I dont care about the ecmgu, its the point that its too cheap to do even to bricks. Be constructive, read my solution.

Oh I dont care about the ecmgu, its the point that its too cheap to do even to bricks. Be constructive, read my solution.

You care immensely, otherwise you wouldn't have posted this garbage, and it is garbage by the way. Suicide gankers always lose their ship, any money they make is entirely at the mercy of rng. Also you were autopiloting, which in my opinion means you deserved everything you got. Finally your solution would impose a limitation on poor newbies. Why should they be restricted from this particular activity? Your money shouldn't be a shield to protect you from your own stupidity. Indeed, that money is better suited to the motivated newbie, or group of people organized to take it from you.

You care immensely, otherwise you wouldn't have posted this garbage, and it is garbage by the way. Suicide gankers always lose their ship, any money they make is entirely at the mercy of rng. Also you were autopiloting, which in my opinion means you deserved everything you got. Finally your solution would impose a limitation on poor newbies. Why should they be restricted from this particular activity? Your money shouldn't be a shield to protect you from your own stupidity. Indeed, that money is better suited to the motivated newbie, or group of people organized to take it from you.

Too easy for people to feign "newbie" and drop a lot of destoyers on a target, should at least have to put a LITTLE work in to be able to gank something. EZ mode these days.

Too easy for people to feign "newbie" and drop a lot of destoyers on a target, should at least have to put a LITTLE work in to be able to gank something. EZ mode these days.

Its only as easy as the victim makes it and this victim was afk flying in a low ehp ship with his tank turned off and enough expensive mods to make him worth ganking.

ecmgus are passive-tanked. trimarks in rigs, plate and adaptive nanos in low. roughly 70k ehp. give or take. Thats just so you know.

ecmgus are passive-tanked. trimarks in rigs, plate and adaptive nanos in low. roughly 70k ehp. give or take. Thats just so you know.

Nobody used to gank fleet ships several years ago. Too much of that lately, despite your protestations. Needs to cost more.

You cant passive tank armour.

Newsflash to Goons - wormhole people are rich beyond your dreams. If you think a standard ecmgu loss impacts my wallet, think again. So I will continue to autopilot them from jita to wormhole when I need replacements, thanks.

Its the principle of the matter. I came up with a good name for that ship, Im pissed it exploded.

Nobody used to gank fleet ships several years ago. Too much of that lately, despite your protestations. Needs to cost more.

"passive armor tank" means "armor buffer tank". "Passive" in that regard means that no capacitor is used to run the tanking modules.

I got ganked while auto-piloting my fleet ecmgu on some random high-sec gate. It was standard t2 fit - armor plate, umbra ecm, navy adaptive nano. Nothing fancy, standard cheapo fit.

Anyways, I see a lot of concord on empire gates every time i come out of w-space, a lot more then a few years ago even.

The fact that suicide gankers are these days ganking even standard fleet ships, i.e. scrapping bottom of the barrel, means this particular mode of pvp is getting out of hand.

I have checked killboard of that no-doubt multiboxing dude. Thousands of empire ganks, not a single loss, and at regular intervals, fresh set of 10-12 catalyst pilots.

Its not cool. Ganking haulers for chance to make a pile of isk - great, all for it. Ganking standard fleet ships - wtf? Whats next, they going to suicide-gank FW frigates en route to lowsec?

Right now theres no consequences to suicide ganking. Let me correct this, there no MEANINGFUL consequences. Security status? Please, so easy to work around it. Cost of ships? 2mil per destroyer is not a cost. Brutix hull? Pff.

Solution.

Make it cost something to gank. I propose rework of bounty and kill right mechanic:

Want to suicide gank? Pay to shoot. Pay to concord to activate a temporary kill right on your victim, with price determined by value of the victim. And heres the kicker - victim determines his value by paying to concord his own bounty.

So lets say I want to avoid getting ganked, I think Im not worth more then a bil, so I pay to concord my value, 1bn. That expires, like insurance, by the way. Call it suicide insurance, can tie it to clone value.

Anyhow, ganker wants to gank me, he has to now pay to concord a proportion of that value tied to value of my ship or something, and then he can get a kill right on me. Otherwise, cant shoot me in high sec.

This forces gankers to PAY. Ends rampant non-targeted ganking, AND solves isk inflation.

Also I'm willing to bet this is a troll thread. I can't find a single Tengu ganked in hisec with ECM mods or even the ECM subsystem within the last 3 days.

Also I'm willing to bet this is a troll thread. I can't find a single Tengu ganked in hisec with ECM mods or even the ECM subsystem within the last 3 days.