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Thufir Bezluden
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.11.18 14:58:00 -
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No fun training millions of SP for drones so they can be ripped to bits by bots using something closer to sleeper Ai and instantly agro them. Don't get me wrong, I like that they'll take some heat for being the ship raping sob's they are, but to have half my drones eaten in a level 3 within a minute when I have full agro is just wrong. Tone it down so drone skills won't just be for pvp.
How about removing the aggressive so you have to order the drones to attack a target. No orders, no attack. Must be a better way to ruin 'botters' day than screw it up for people actually playing. |
Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors
335
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Posted - 2013.11.18 15:17:00 -
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With the NPC AI changes, it might be helpful to think of drones as basically short-range weapons, for targets within, say, blaster range. Hold 'em close, and recalling them when they catch aggro shouldn't be such an issue (provided they don't get webbed down by something like a spider drone). "Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred..." - Niccolo Machiavelli-á |
hellcane
Never Back Down
96
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Posted - 2013.11.18 17:12:00 -
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Don't release drones then ignore them? |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
758
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Posted - 2013.11.18 18:53:00 -
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Thufir Bezluden wrote:No fun training millions of SP for drones so they can be ripped to bits by bots using something closer to sleeper Ai and instantly agro them. Don't get me wrong, I like that they'll take some heat for being the ship raping sob's they are, but to have half my drones eaten in a level 3 within a minute when I have full agro is just wrong. Tone it down so drone skills won't just be for pvp.
How about removing the aggressive so you have to order the drones to attack a target. No orders, no attack. Must be a better way to ruin 'botters' day than screw it up for people actually playing.
If your drone gets killed in under a minute while you ahve full aggro, file a petition. If you have aggro, the NPC are obviously not shooting your drones. If you are about to tell me `well the aggro switched, then stop lying because you didn't lose your drones while you had aggro. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
250
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Posted - 2013.11.18 20:12:00 -
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CCP did this to stop people from running missions and sites AFK with drones. I guess they didn't think about removing the "aggressive" mode.
You might have had full aggro except a few frigates. They will web and kill light drones quickly. What bothers me is there's not even a simulated targeting time. I've had drones get hit instantly when I deployed them. |
Robert Morningstar
Morningstar Excavations LTD Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
25
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Posted - 2013.11.18 20:38:00 -
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I run lvl 4 all the time and my drones are my main damage dealer never have issues if aggroed I just recall wat a few sec and redeploy
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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
250
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Posted - 2013.11.19 01:11:00 -
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Robert Morningstar wrote:I run lvl 4 all the time and my drones are my main damage dealer never have issues if aggroed I just recall wat a few sec and redeploy
With sentry drones this is possible since you can instantly recall them. I think the OP was referring to drones that have to travel to their target. |
Rengerel en Distel
2023
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Posted - 2013.11.19 01:17:00 -
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IIshira wrote:Robert Morningstar wrote:I run lvl 4 all the time and my drones are my main damage dealer never have issues if aggroed I just recall wat a few sec and redeploy
With sentry drones this is possible since you can instantly recall them. I think the OP was referring to drones that have to travel to their target.
Well, we've found his problem then.
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
224
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Posted - 2013.11.19 01:30:00 -
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Better drone skills.
Better target selecting.
Watch the health bars closer.
Once you have high sp in drones I see no reason why you'd be having these problems. |
Dato Koppla
Retribution Innovations
370
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Posted - 2013.11.19 01:52:00 -
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It's combat drones that suffer the most from drone aggro, sentries are barely affected by it since you pull them in and redploy them in a couple of second to remove aggro from them. This basically means sentries or go home. |
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Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
36
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Posted - 2013.11.19 01:59:00 -
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Marc Callan wrote:With the NPC AI changes, it might be helpful to think of drones as basically short-range weapons, for targets within, say, blaster range. Hold 'em close, and recalling them when they catch aggro shouldn't be such an issue (provided they don't get webbed down by something like a spider drone).
you're also forgetting the fact they totally gimped the Vexor "family" for running level 4s since they used an AB to speed tank after dropping sentries. |
Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
141
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Posted - 2013.11.19 02:03:00 -
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If you are flying a drones boat where drones get extra HP and damage they should last longer and not get insta popped. Non drones boats, yeah you had better be on your toes if they get any aggro at all. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1615
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Posted - 2013.11.19 02:07:00 -
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Nolak Ataru wrote:Marc Callan wrote:With the NPC AI changes, it might be helpful to think of drones as basically short-range weapons, for targets within, say, blaster range. Hold 'em close, and recalling them when they catch aggro shouldn't be such an issue (provided they don't get webbed down by something like a spider drone). you're also forgetting the fact they totally gimped the Vexor "family" for running level 4s since they used an AB to speed tank after dropping sentries.
The Ishtar would disagree with that statement. Often times missions are easier with the new Aggro mechanics. |
Kirkwood Ross
Golden Profession
58
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Posted - 2013.11.19 02:38:00 -
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Clearly you need to rig your ship with Drone Durability Enhancers. |
Dato Koppla
Retribution Innovations
370
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Posted - 2013.11.19 03:12:00 -
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Nolak Ataru wrote:Marc Callan wrote:With the NPC AI changes, it might be helpful to think of drones as basically short-range weapons, for targets within, say, blaster range. Hold 'em close, and recalling them when they catch aggro shouldn't be such an issue (provided they don't get webbed down by something like a spider drone). you're also forgetting the fact they totally gimped the Vexor "family" for running level 4s since they used an AB to speed tank after dropping sentries.
Orbit your sentries. I use an Ishtar to run ewar-heavy L4 missions and I lose around 1 sentry a month mostly due to not paying attention. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
813
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Posted - 2013.11.19 14:39:00 -
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The OP has a point.
I have on many occasions had full aggro, deploy drones, instantly they start taking damage (from every npc even 2km away), recall drones, lose 1 drone which is webbed I guess. Deploy drones after being retargetted, instantly start taking damage, over and over. It happens mostly with light drones and light npcs, which obviously makes light drones totally useless in many circumstances.
These days I don't carry light drones for frigs (just warrior II for players), I use Ogres for even elite npc frigates since for some absurd reason I can usually deploy them and go have a cup of coffee.
Why is it absurd, well if the intention was to stop afk'ing with drones you would think they would have applied this 'fix' to affect the drones we use to afk (sentries, heavies), not the bloody drones we use to kill frigs with.
On the Maze now, I warp in, deploy sentries, pop the towers, deploy Ogres, pop the elites, deploy sentries and then I don't have to do anything except wait for the drones to kill everything. If it wasn't for the spawns as the structure is being taken down and the requirement to watch local I could do the Maze completely AFK.
The correct fix for the AFK issue should have been to set all drones to passive and require the operator to manually tell them to attack, not create some bizarre aggro ruleset vs light drones.
Before anyone says I need to train drone skills, I'm a 2003 character with superb drone skills and have been using drones since they were introduced, that'd be at original launch btw. |
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
361
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Posted - 2013.11.19 15:50:00 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:It's combat drones that suffer the most from drone aggro, sentries are barely affected by it since you pull them in and redploy them in a couple of second to remove aggro from them. This basically means sentries or go home.
No, it means don't send drones too far out. I don't use lights beyond 20km, mediums beyond 10km, or heavies beyond 5km. You can't afk in missions anymore, and you can't just sit in one spot and wait for your drones to kill everything. Be active, watch your health bars, and recall as soon as you see the slightest bit of red in the shield bar.
I lived in wormholes for years, I ran missions and ratted with domis since this ai was applied everywhere. The only time I've lost drones to npcs is when I went afk without recalling, or simply wasn't paying attention, and even these situations are extremely rare. Drones are fine. You need to adapt. |
Ole' McDolan
Vastly Intellectual Tall Tax Union
0
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Posted - 2013.11.19 15:52:00 -
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While running lv4s I noticed that my lights get usually targeted by frigs and other smaller ships, while medium gets targeted by bigger ships. Not always, but usually when I deploy light drones they either get targeted by frigs right away or they dont get targeted at all and I just pop the frigs with them and then take out the larger ships without any worry, because they dont seem to aggro lights at all.
Perhaps there is some correlation between rat's ship size and which drones they like to go after? |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
250
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Posted - 2013.11.19 17:38:00 -
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Ole' McDolan wrote:While running lv4s I noticed that my lights get usually targeted by frigs and other smaller ships, while medium gets targeted by bigger ships. Not always, but usually when I deploy light drones they either get targeted by frigs right away or they dont get targeted at all and I just pop the frigs with them and then take out the larger ships without any worry, because they dont seem to aggro lights at all.
Perhaps there is some correlation between rat's ship size and which drones they like to go after?
There's supposed to be with the drone aggro changes. Frigates go after light drones. The problem is when you deploy light drones with 10 frigates on the field all will primary one drone. They will kill one of your drones by the time they kill two of the frigate. If you're dumb enough to let them go out past 20 km one isn't coming back. With my Raven I use target painters to kill frigates. If I'm flying a gunship and they get close I have no choice but to send drones out and constantly pull them back one at a time. |
Robert Morningstar
Morningstar Excavations LTD Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
25
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Posted - 2013.11.19 20:48:00 -
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With sentry drones this is possible since you can instantly recall them. I think the OP was referring to drones that have to travel to their target.[/quote]
I use a combination of senturies lights and heavys |
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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
250
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:21:00 -
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You can use non sentry drones as long as you keep them close. So unless you MWD to the NPC you're using sentry drones to kill everything but frigates. Many frigates will come within 10km so this isn't an issue with them. If I remember right there's a few missions where everything is right on top of you but this isn't the majority. |
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille Gallente Federation
453
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:31:00 -
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Did I step into a time warp? |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
338
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:43:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:The OP has a point.
I have on many occasions had full aggro, deploy drones, instantly they start taking damage (from every npc even 2km away), recall drones, lose 1 drone which is webbed I guess. Deploy drones after being retargetted, instantly start taking damage, over and over. It happens mostly with light drones and light npcs, which obviously makes light drones totally useless in many circumstances.
That is the drone aggro bug, and probably not what CCP intended. I've seen it both in the maze, and in military operations complex, and since i don't use lights in MOC, it happens to sentries. It takes about 25 seconds to aggro back up on sentries, and literally happens every 25 seconds, you wind up retracting them during every battleship kill, and given how many battleships need to be killed in MOC, its pretty damn tedious.
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These days I don't carry light drones for frigs (just warrior II for players), I use Ogres for even elite npc frigates since for some absurd reason I can usually deploy them and go have a cup of coffee.
Why is it absurd, well if the intention was to stop afk'ing with drones you would think they would have applied this 'fix' to affect the drones we use to afk (sentries, heavies), not the bloody drones we use to kill frigs with.
On the Maze now, I warp in, deploy sentries, pop the towers, deploy Ogres, pop the elites, deploy sentries and then I don't have to do anything except wait for the drones to kill everything. If it wasn't for the spawns as the structure is being taken down and the requirement to watch local I could do the Maze completely AFK.
The correct fix for the AFK issue should have been to set all drones to passive and require the operator to manually tell them to attack, not create some bizarre aggro ruleset vs light drones.
people that bot, bot the F key.
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Before anyone says I need to train drone skills, I'm a 2003 character with superb drone skills and have been using drones since they were introduced, that'd be at original launch btw.
Oh: I should add, there is one cool trick that has saved me a few times when i first started running combat anoms. If you mess up and your tank is failing, you're scrammed and webbed or you need to get range from the frigs if they're waiting at warp in, release your lights and they can act as WCS, the scrambling, webber frigs will usually instantly drop scrams / webs on you and you can warp or AB / MWD away while they savage your lights.
The drone aggro condition is pretty noticeably different, in the drone aggro condition, just sticking any drones in space will get everything but the station on a drone. I had it so bad one time that even sticking wardens out drew full aggro to the wardens (which let me go fetch more mobile drones from the insta aggro killing 1 per frigate kill).
I took a web next time, and had no drone aggro at all. Not a single outbreak - killed the 20 or so scramblers in 1 go without retracting lights. IMO the system does have a broken condition, and it becomes far more readily apparent on the much larger spawns in the complexes than it does in missions. Its also why new players complain about it more, as I wouldn't even notice running a mission, but people who get the triggers wrong and wind up with full stage aggro can get seriously messed up by it.
I might fraps MOCs and mazes till I get the condition again.
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Marsan
Caldari Provisions
134
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Posted - 2013.11.19 22:16:00 -
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From what I've noticed is the that Elite frigates tend to target light drones a lot more. But honestly dead light drones is just the price of running missions. Keep an eye on their health and replace them every so often. If you think the standard AI is bad you should try the sleeper AI which tends to eat drones like popcorn unless you have 2-3 people running the site. Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a hopeful small portion of the community. |
Thufir Bezluden
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2013.11.20 07:08:00 -
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Sorry, I didn't clarify. I have low SP and using cyclone/gnosis for L3 missions. I use combat drones, not sentries. For control, I use a nostromo n50 speedpad -same as when I played EVE from 2004-07 and 2009-10. I can sic drones on a target fast and recall them faster, but not always fast enough.
Fire and Drone Control on Nostromo N50 |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
339
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Posted - 2013.11.20 08:06:00 -
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Thufir Bezluden wrote:Sorry, I didn't clarify. I have low SP and using cyclone/gnosis for L3 missions. I use combat drones, not sentries. For control, I use a nostromo n50 speedpad -same as when I played EVE from 2004-07 and 2009-10. I can sic drones on a target fast and recall them faster, but not always fast enough. Fire and Drone Control on Nostromo N50
There isn't a lot you can do about that, other than dealing more dps from the gnosis itself and making the gnosis a source of ewar, and recognising that elite cruisers and elite frigates will kill medium and small drones if they can.
If you have medium turrets on the gnosis then they may well do a lot more damage if you are webbing stuff, and you shouldn't send combats out past web range unless you understand the NPCs drone aggro tendencies pretty well.
If say you were using lasers, you would want a couple of heatsinks and a web on it. If say you were using missiles, you would want a couple of ballistic controls and a target painter on it.
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Perton Shil
CBC Interstellar Fidelas Constans
0
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Posted - 2013.11.22 11:13:00 -
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And I have similar issue - my heavy drones are quite slow. Almost in every case I'm not able to recall them on time, before elite battle-cruisers which spawn in anomalies I'm doing attack them and shoot down at least one. BS-es which are killed last, are orbiting at 33km, and this is a range which drones must travel. I then launch medium drones, and those are fine. But what could be solution for heave drone aggro problem? |
Thufir Bezluden
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2013.11.23 19:09:00 -
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not a gnosis issue, but thanks for info. |
Dextrome Thorphan
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.11.25 16:28:00 -
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Perton Shil wrote:And I have similar issue - my heavy drones are quite slow. Almost in every case I'm not able to recall them on time, before elite battle-cruisers which spawn in anomalies I'm doing attack them and shoot down at least one. BS-es which are killed last, are orbiting at 33km, and this is a range which drones must travel. I then launch medium drones, and those are fine. But what could be solution for heave drone aggro problem?
I have a similar issue.. if anybody got some cool strategies, feel free to share ^_^ |
dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
886
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:17:00 -
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Rengerel en Distel wrote:IIshira wrote:Robert Morningstar wrote:I run lvl 4 all the time and my drones are my main damage dealer never have issues if aggroed I just recall wat a few sec and redeploy
With sentry drones this is possible since you can instantly recall them. I think the OP was referring to drones that have to travel to their target. Well, we've found his problem then.
it does seem broken that sentry drones are the only useful drones in pve. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
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Ajaa Saan
Saan Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2013.11.26 06:19:00 -
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There is something amiss since they patched today. My drones are gaining aggro under ten seconds of deployment in some instances.
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Sturmwolke
467
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Posted - 2013.11.26 06:58:00 -
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The simplest solution is to never deploy light/med/hvy drones to attack targets > 10km. Only deploy them to targets within 10km radius of your ship. Your chances of saving a drone which had been targeted and heavily webbed by NPC frigates is almost 100% due to the closer distance - I personally prefer 5km radius.
Mission drone boats should use sentry drones exclusively and pack a flight (or two) of lights or med for the above anti-frig defence. Heavy drones are too slow for effective use in anything larger than a cruiser hull. Any mission drone boats which rely on lights/meds as its main weapon will fail.
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Turk MacRumien
EVE University Ivy League
4
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Posted - 2013.11.26 19:16:00 -
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Sturmwolke wrote:Any mission drone boats which rely on lights/meds as its main weapon will fail.
Ha! No. I use drones in a myrm at 30-40 kms all the time, and I don't lose them that often. lock targets, start shooting w/ turrets, deploy drones and send them off. It's not that easy to lose them. Occasionally rats will switch aggro in the midst of a fight, but most times they don't hit enough to kill my drones before I notice. I think the easiest way to cut down on dps heading towards your drones is just to prioritize small (frigs and destroyers) targets once you enter a room. Once you've done that, cruiser and bc rats can't hit mediums well enough to kill them before you notice.
Unless they're shooting missiles. God I hate seeing missiles ships as a drone boat
And for everyone talking about the aggressive stance, put your drones on passive so they don't fly around willy-nilly targeting everything. |
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2013.11.26 21:08:00 -
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op has a point so,
im not using any drones anymore (do more damage with my gun/missile boats). before the ai change i always used light to get rid of frigates or destroyers, now there r 2 possibilities (with near perfect drone skills). Possibility 1 they get alphad, worst mission i lost overall 10 hob 2 (2nd set was for me to gtf out and refit), the first ones where all the same, go out hunt frigs, get alpha -1 drone. So now my standard fit includes web and tp and no drones what so ever. Possibility 2 they never get targeted.
Sentries still work great, but small combats cant fullfill their role in half of the l4 missions, so the ai is great but the drones lose theire validity for pve. |
Dextrome Thorphan
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.11.27 09:11:00 -
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Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:op has a point so,
im not using any drones anymore (do more damage with my gun/missile boats). before the ai change i always used light to get rid of frigates or destroyers, now there r 2 possibilities (with near perfect drone skills). Possibility 1 they get alphad, worst mission i lost overall 10 hob 2 (2nd set was for me to gtf out and refit), the first ones where all the same, go out hunt frigs, get alpha -1 drone. So now my standard fit includes web and tp and no drones what so ever. Possibility 2 they never get targeted.
Hm i don't really have any probs with light drones (my issues are with the slower meds/heavies)... I just recall the one that's being attacked and launch a new drone. Although when I wait untill the NPC frigates are close enough and orbiting me, if I launch my drones then, they usually get no aggro. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
259
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Posted - 2013.11.27 13:06:00 -
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I wonder if all the people that support the crazy drone aggro would still if NPCs attacked turrets and launchers? You would have to stop firing till the aggro went away. This is pretty much what happens with drones. It's not a big deal if guns or missiles are your main DPS but when you're in a drone ship it blows. |
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2013.11.27 14:30:00 -
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Dextrome Thorphan wrote:Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:op has a point so,
im not using any drones anymore (do more damage with my gun/missile boats). before the ai change i always used light to get rid of frigates or destroyers, now there r 2 possibilities (with near perfect drone skills). Possibility 1 they get alphad, worst mission i lost overall 10 hob 2 (2nd set was for me to gtf out and refit), the first ones where all the same, go out hunt frigs, get alpha -1 drone. So now my standard fit includes web and tp and no drones what so ever. Possibility 2 they never get targeted. Hm i don't really have any probs with light drones (my issues are with the slower meds/heavies)... I just recall the one that's being attacked and launch a new drone. Although when I wait untill the NPC frigates are close enough and orbiting me, if I launch my drones then, they usually get no aggro.
like i said i used mainly light to complement my raven. i had missions where i had no trouble at all but as example the elite frigates in blockade got my drones faster than i could say damn. And im not 100% sure it was only the elite frigs because i had seen another mission where 2 cruiser switched aggro and alphaed my small drones (i thought they should be pretty save but nope not at all). So i stopped using drones in missions altogether (excemption sentries in a mjd domi or mwd ishtar). |
Ubiquitous Newt
The F-Bombers
4
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Posted - 2013.12.04 03:16:00 -
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Holy crow this AI is annoying. I actually came pretty darn close to being stuck warp-jammed by some L4 frigs the other night - had to scrounge for drones in wrecks and load them into my drone bay using a mobile depot. ...The main problem's hobgoblins. They die before you can recall them, and I'm losing a few of them per mission; you put them out to clean up a 6-10 frigs at the end of a mission and they'll end up popped if you don't micromanage them to death. This is supposed to be fun? Seriously? ...Once again here, the big losers are mission battleships using lights to scram frigs off (On top of the warp speed nerf). You're really killing drone use with this nonsense.
IIshira wrote:I wonder if all the people that support the crazy drone aggro would still if NPCs attacked turrets and launchers? You would have to stop firing till the aggro went away. This is pretty much what happens with drones. It's not a big deal if guns or missiles are your main DPS but when you're in a drone ship it blows.
This is a great point. I'll support drones being aggro'd and destroyed just as soon as you agree that NPCs should be able to target your highslot turrets and blow them up. ...What? That''s totally realistic, why are you against it?
This puts a notable dent in my bottom line, and I'm not happy. For god's sake, quit nerfing everything. |
Dextrome Thorphan
RvB - RED Federation
27
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Posted - 2013.12.04 08:25:00 -
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I've been doing alot of different anomalies and ded plexes lately... and for some reason, in some sites my heavy drones Never get aggro, while other sites they Always get aggro... (and it's always the same sites that give the same results)
So yeah, you just gotta learn which to avoid. Unfortunately most ded plexes are on the avoid-list =/ |
Tolum Vanmeer
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.12.04 09:23:00 -
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It's the elite frigates that are the problem. The moment they see drones, they jump on them one by one and they are very effective to take them down quickly.
Drones and drone ships will be killed slowly by CCP to solve their server load issues. |
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Anize Oramara
S T R A T C O M Critical-Mass
79
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Posted - 2013.12.04 11:23:00 -
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as someone who makes their isk off of running a loki with lights in c3 and c5 sites I giggle at this thread.
l2p |
Balshem Rozenzweig
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.12.05 12:33:00 -
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Turk MacRumien wrote:Sturmwolke wrote:Any mission drone boats which rely on lights/meds as its main weapon will fail.
Ha! No. I use drones in a myrm at 30-40 kms all the time, and I don't lose them that often. lock targets, start shooting w/ turrets, deploy drones and send them off. It's not that easy to lose them. Occasionally rats will switch aggro in the midst of a fight, but most times they don't hit enough to kill my drones before I notice. I think the easiest way to cut down on dps heading towards your drones is just to prioritize small (frigs and destroyers) targets once you enter a room. Once you've done that, cruiser and bc rats can't hit mediums well enough to kill them before you notice. Unless they're shooting missiles. God I hate seeing missiles ships as a drone boat And for everyone talking about the aggressive stance, put your drones on passive so they don't fly around willy-nilly targeting everything.
this.
I run level 3 missions (not enough standing/SP to do L4s) but I do encounter elite frigs. All I do is to target them with my HMs as prio. After one salvo I send drones and it seems to work perfectly.
For level 4s I plan to stick with HMs in RHMLs Armageddon. Gonna see how it works out, but I guess it will be doable with missile/drone/armor skills I currently have (weird I know - was going for turrets but level 2 barricade taught me to avoid anything disruptable :P).
As for rockets - they hurt but again... You aggro frigs first, you aggro bigger ships first, and AI will switch aggro only on rare occasions when you reload and at the same time drone start to do crazy well. |
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.05 12:53:00 -
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Thufir Bezluden wrote:No fun training millions of SP for drones so they can be ripped to bits by bots using something closer to sleeper Ai and instantly agro them. Don't get me wrong, I like that they'll take some heat for being the ship raping sob's they are, but to have half my drones eaten in a level 3 within a minute when I have full agro is just wrong. Tone it down so drone skills won't just be for pvp.
How about removing the aggressive so you have to order the drones to attack a target. No orders, no attack. Must be a better way to ruin 'botters' day than screw it up for people actually playing.
You can switch your drones from Aggressive to Passive. |
Jung-Hwa Stenier-Tian
Fregata Industries
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Posted - 2013.12.06 02:26:00 -
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I have found drones to be utterly unusable, regardless of tactics or skills. Sentries still die en mass to battleships, and light drones just get alpha'd off the field before the client has loaded them. Completely worthless. |
Neor Deninard
Blackwater Coalition Forces Harkonnen Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.06 07:00:00 -
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Jung-Hwa Stenier-Tian wrote:I have found drones to be utterly unusable, regardless of tactics or skills. Sentries still die en mass to battleships, and light drones just get alpha'd off the field before the client has loaded them. Completely worthless.
If I loose 1 sentry every 2 months it's a lot, and if it happens it's usually cause I'm not paying enough attention.
Pull sentries in if they start taking too much damage. Train the bloody support skills boosting hp/shield/tracking etc... and learn to use them from 100km+ . Use a remote repper if you want.
Only gurista's and some sansha BS shoot so far.
Just because you can't figure out how to use something it means that it's broken. Same for sending a flight of lights into a group of 5+ frigates/cruisers; what in all reality are you expencting to happen? Maybe they should just code in a button 'I win' saves everyone the hassle of learning the game and training (support) skills. |
Dextrome Thorphan
RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2013.12.06 08:32:00 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:as someone who makes their isk off of running a loki with lights in c3 and c5 sites I giggle at this thread.
l2p
Anybody using drones for pve needs to l2p? Funny perspective... |
Cross C Ragweed
Uinta Logistics
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Posted - 2013.12.06 23:03:00 -
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Well this thread is depressing ... as I decided to go after drone boats and want to do some missioning for awhile.
I just barely got a T1 Vexor put together (not skilled up enough to T2 goodies yet) and planning on working out of a 0.3 lowsec station on L2 missions.
I've only done one L2 mission with it so far (which it excelled at), where my previous Algos and Catalyst were getting their butts kicked.
I think I would eventually like to go back to FW/PvP, but would like to work up through some L3 possibly L4 missions for awhile.
Am I going to regret the high percent of my current sp into drones, as well as a ton more I was planning on? |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
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Posted - 2013.12.07 01:02:00 -
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Cross C Ragweed wrote:Well this thread is depressing ... as I decided to go after drone boats and want to do some missioning for awhile.
I just barely got a T1 Vexor put together (not skilled up enough to T2 goodies yet) and planning on working out of a 0.3 lowsec station on L2 missions.
I've only done one L2 mission with it so far (which it excelled at), where my previous Algos and Catalyst were getting their butts kicked.
I think I would eventually like to go back to FW/PvP, but would like to work up through some L3 possibly L4 missions for awhile.
Am I going to regret the high percent of my current sp into drones, as well as a ton more I was planning on? Nah just get into an Ishtar, train sentries and heavies. With Ishtars bonus to speed and tracking you'll be able to ignore light and medium drones altogether. Same as Dominix. |
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