Yeay yet again another overpowered minmatar boat with too big guns.
I hope you are aware that minmatar boats no longer reflect their "origins"? Since they are slaves and stole all of their technology, their boat should reflect that.
Why are there still boats in the game that can alpha anything away and outrun any kind of weapon system?
I have a very easy solution for that matter, decrease tracking of all artillery weapons by 500% and damage by 50% or if that does not suit you just have all minmatar ships have their shield resistence reduced by 100% and shield hp by 100% and armor hp reduced by 75% and armor resistance by lets say 30%.
That would reflect the technology of slaves clamped together in general

Why should there be any battlecruiser sized boat that can fly >2000m/s with a volley damage >6000hp ?

I can see that the new battlecruiser line is designed to be fast and deadly but to any ship should be a counter against or make it unbreakable.

Hey people, just popping in to let you know that you're not left in the dark here, I'm following this thread closely and taking notes of some good points brought so far.

I'll give you a more detailed answer regarding the Naga/Talos tomorrow and will do my best to try to book some time next week to play test these ships more with you on Sisi.


Thanks for your time and feedback.

Umm no, we already have the myrmidon, which has a massive win on passive shield or armor tank, plus is a great utility wagon in pvp. We dont need another drone boat.



now @ the guy who quoted me about the talos as mission rats. I was simply stating i was trying it out in a variety of ways, like most players do and just stating what i found out when trying it in those methods, remember when testing you have to think outside of the box. :glados:

Now as for the tank.- nothing wrong with it. you are going to max fire power at the expense of tanking. It's like the stealth bomber lots of boom but also shatters. Try it with a full omni resist tank in the lows and put damage rigs in.


Just one more thing on the talos - the speed is great, and the fact it is cap stable with a pvp fit on is nice also.


PS - i had not fitting problems on the talos - for those of you who do. check your hardwire slots 6 and 10. engineering and gunnery implants respectively.

Minmatar are Op because no weapons system they have uses cap and they can choose to engage or disengage at will with their superior speed and maneuverability. Also the falloff on AC's is redonkulous. Hybrids don't suck...railguns suck. Blasters do what they do very well. Railguns try to bring DPS to the realm where alpha dominates and then promptly fails. The parimary reason is that ranged combat has been nerfed over time from general ship HP increases to insta-probing close range death squads. Oh and the extreme nerf of torp range for no damage increase was a killer. Railguns can't track....use too much cap/grid/cpu/everything and make my soul hurt. As a caldari born capsuleer I wonder how my brethren can fend off all these threats with THE WORST WEAPONS SYSTEMS IN EVE.

Even the test changes don't bring rails up to par enough. The ranges railguns excell at (ranges no one can shoot back at you at) are no longer present in the game since the 250km locking cap was intro'd years ago. THANKS CCP!! The rokh only gets good beyond 250km beucase no one else can compete at that range. Hell the raven is supposed to be a long-range standoff platform. Cruise missile dps sucks. Torps can't hit at range. So yep. THe rokh at any effective range these days is outclassed by weapon systems (1400mm howitzer II) that use no cap, do very high alpha and can select a spread of damage types not limited to kin and therm.

rail guns SHOULD beat the **** out of artillery and no not just by RoF...they should out alpha, out range and deliver a pin point strike overwhelming any defense. But no...we can't even get halfway there with some decent damage. 10% on a 2700 alpha is still 2970K. That isn't a boost...that is a statisitical outlier compared to the 11-13K hits from minmatar ships. No I don't care that my rof is 3x faster if I can't kill the target I'm shooting at.

That is bull*** - Proteus is the singlehanded most heavily buffertanked T3 cruiser in the game even more tank than a Legion. Also it has a divine tackling bonus easily capable of working with armor fleets.

That said however I'm tired of hearing "optimal bonus is a damage bonuse" talk about Caldari because range plays little to no role in current battles and it makes it impossible to mix stuff like the rokh because of difference in range and huge difference in damage/volley damage.

dammit!!!