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Torigoma
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:10:00 -
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Ok, I've started to see people set up customs offices in High sec with taxes a t 80-90%. Why in Gods name would they do this? This is not Low/Null sec, you WANT people to use your Planets. High Sec PI's profit is not in Planet Resources (P0s), they are too low for that, Dedicated PI players are going to go for P2-P4 Factory worlds. The Smart Owners will set low taxes at around 1-5%, to attract as many people to their systems as possible.
Lets do some simply Math.
Say you own a system with 8 planets. Each Player will have at Minimum 6 Factory worlds. Each of those Factory worlds can produce 1-2mil per Player in Taxes per day at even 1%, or 6-12`mil per Player per day. Say you attract only 10 players to the System. That's 60-120mil per day with no work, PLUS your own PI, PLUS your Corp/Alliance PI.
So to recap, why are people choosing just alliance control, when they can have Alliance control AND make 1.8bil-3.60bil a month in Taxes? |
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
453
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:16:00 -
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Sounds like your PI stuff is stuck on a planet and you don't want to pay the tax, and now you are crying on the forums.
Tears, that's why they did it, and they succeeded. |
Mangala Solaris
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
682
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:16:00 -
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Those people obviously do not understand economics. Or are doing it for fun.
If you want reasonable tax rates, come up to The Forge and look for an RvB-R or an RvB-B owned POCO, we have good rates for neutrals - 5% from us, and a recommendation to train Customs Code Expertise to V to knock the NPC tax down to 5% also, giving you a very favourable 10%
(When compared to the Interbus basic rate on the remaining Interbus Offices).
Mangala Undocked |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1273
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:17:00 -
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Maybe it's because there's more money to be made driving up the prices of PI goods. Or maybe it's because **** you. Or maybe it's both. More money for us. **** you.  |
Seven Koskanaiken
Sons Of Saints
Circle-Of-Two
487
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:20:00 -
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That PI..."You didn't build that". |
Hesod Adee
Perkone
Caldari State
154
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:22:00 -
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It could be that high tax POCOs are there to attract wardecs. |
Rhes
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
376
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:24:00 -
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Mangala Solaris wrote:Or are doing it for fun.
I'd go with this one. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3640
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:27:00 -
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The results per tax rate will have the potential to be a lesson for real-world governments.
Low taxed stations will have all the commerce. The high tax stations will look like East Germany in the late 80s.
Nobody will pay attention. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
Goonswarm Federation
6255
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:30:00 -
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And there will be tears all the same.
"CCP how can you allow people to do this? I can't do my PI anymore in highsec because big baddies put up their own POCO with super high taxes!"
EVE Online - A Rigged Game |
Torigoma
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:31:00 -
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Donbe Scurred wrote:Sounds like your PI stuff is stuck on a planet and you don't want to pay the tax, and now you are crying on the forums. Tears, that's why they did it, and they succeeded.
Actually no lol, but ya, that would suck. If someone had set Taxes like that, I'd just jet it/ |
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1275
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:31:00 -
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Oh, I think this will be a lesson in economics for someone all right. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
20
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:32:00 -
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Rhes wrote:Mangala Solaris wrote:Or are doing it for fun. I'd go with this one.
Or for the early advantage of catching out the player who isn't concentrating, though as an unsustainable tax rate, it will either come down or they are doing it to drive other players away from the planet so it is all theirs. |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
Solar Assault Fleet
721
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:32:00 -
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Torigoma wrote:The Smart Owners will set low taxes at around 1-5%, to attract as many people to their systems as possible.
But by setting it to zero for my friends and 100% for everyone else I gain:
- Cheap PI for me and my friends
- Forum tears instead of competition from others.
- Better price for the PI we produce.
- Potential wardecs that can be handed over (and in some cases even sold) to dedicated PVP corps.
Sounds like a decent plan.
CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil.
CCP Fozzie: When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
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Torigoma
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:35:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:And there will be tears all the same.
"CCP how can you allow people to do this? I can't do my PI anymore in highsec because big baddies put up their own POCO with super high taxes!"
People can still do PI easy by just bypassing the Costumes office by jetting it into orbit. It's just the idiots that don't get the point of Taxes that get to me. |
mynnna
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2276
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:35:00 -
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Mangala Solaris wrote:Those people obviously do not understand economics. Or are doing it for fun.
If you want reasonable tax rates, come up to The Forge and look for an RvB-R or an RvB-B owned POCO, we have good rates for neutrals - 5% from us, and a recommendation to train Customs Code Expertise to V to knock the NPC tax down to 5% also, giving you a very favourable 10%
(When compared to the Interbus basic rate on the remaining Interbus Offices).
And if the location of the RvB customs offices are not to your liking, there are plenty of customs offices run by Goonswarm Federation in cooperation with RvB as part of the RvBee Collective. You'll be able to identify them by looking for our ticker. Regardless of location, all RvBee Collective controlled POCOs have the same low 5% tax rate! 
Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Torigoma
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:37:00 -
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Lors Dornick wrote:Torigoma wrote:The Smart Owners will set low taxes at around 1-5%, to attract as many people to their systems as possible.
But by setting it to zero for my friends and 100% for everyone else I gain: - Cheap PI for me and my friends - Forum tears instead of competition from others. - Better price for the PI we produce. - Potential wardecs that can be handed over (and in some cases even sold) to dedicated PVP corps. Sounds like a decent plan.
No, there's the thing; by setting LOW taxes, you get
-Cheap PI for you and your Friends.
-Support from the Community
-Much more Isk from Taxes than Market manipulation
-Just as may Wardecs from those trying to take over a profitable system. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
388
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:38:00 -
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Band together with other PI warriors.
Find a few systems with low radius factory-ready planets. Make sure these planets are well off teh beaten path.
Kill a few POCOs. Set 0% taxes.
Use freighters/couriers to handle high volume transport.
Make a killing.
Just because Goons or RVB takes down some of the high-demand planets near Jita doesn't mean you can't have good PI. You only need 6 planets right?
Fighting is Magic |
Serptimis
Balls Deep Inc.
236
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:41:00 -
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When will they learn, you can't tax yourself out of a recession. |
Torigoma
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:42:00 -
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Serptimis wrote:When will they learn, you can't tax yourself out of a recession.
ROFL!!! |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
388
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:43:00 -
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mynnna wrote:And if the location of the RvB customs offices are not to your liking, there are plenty of customs offices run by Goonswarm Federation in cooperation with RvB as part of the RvBee Collective. You'll be able to identify them by looking for our ticker. Regardless of location, all RvBee Collective controlled POCOs have the same low 5% tax rate!
You guys wouldn't happen to have some sort of... program... where savvy corporations can pay up front for standings allowing for a lower tax rate? 
Fighting is Magic |
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Rita Riddick
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
44
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:44:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Mangala Solaris wrote:Those people obviously do not understand economics. Or are doing it for fun.
If you want reasonable tax rates, come up to The Forge and look for an RvB-R or an RvB-B owned POCO, we have good rates for neutrals - 5% from us, and a recommendation to train Customs Code Expertise to V to knock the NPC tax down to 5% also, giving you a very favourable 10%
(When compared to the Interbus basic rate on the remaining Interbus Offices). And if the location of the RvB customs offices are not to your liking, there are plenty of customs offices run by Goonswarm Federation in cooperation with RvB as part of the RvBee Collective. You'll be able to identify them by looking for our ticker. Regardless of location, all RvBee Collective controlled POCOs have the same low 5% tax rate!
Down with BoB/Goonies!!!
You are the "fruit of a poisonous tree".
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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
638
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:45:00 -
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Op, you do realize that this thread and your tears represent the entire reason people are trolling hisec pocos atm? |
mynnna
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2276
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:45:00 -
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Afraid not. The tax rate applies across the board, regardless of standing. 
Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Torigoma
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:47:00 -
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Batelle wrote:mynnna wrote:And if the location of the RvB customs offices are not to your liking, there are plenty of customs offices run by Goonswarm Federation in cooperation with RvB as part of the RvBee Collective. You'll be able to identify them by looking for our ticker. Regardless of location, all RvBee Collective controlled POCOs have the same low 5% tax rate! You guys wouldn't happen to have some sort of... program... where savvy corporations can pay up front for standings allowing for a lower tax rate?
that would actually be a pretty smart idea. Have base Tax set to 5% so taxes are at pre-Rubicon prices, then have a Program where people pay for a PI "license" to the Alliance that lets them have 1--2% taxes. I know I'd buy it. |
Mangala Solaris
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
685
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:52:00 -
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Batelle wrote:Band together with other PI warriors.
Find a few systems with low radius factory-ready planets. Make sure these planets are well off teh beaten path.
Kill a few POCOs. Set 0% taxes.
Use freighters/couriers to handle high volume transport.
Make a killing.
Just because Goons or RVB takes down some of the high-demand planets near Jita doesn't mean you can't have good PI. You only need 6 planets right?
You obviously haven't had the pleasure of chatting with many High Sec folks. They really do not like to do much in groups, especially organised groups...
Mangala Undocked |
Torigoma
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:53:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Op, you do realize that this thread and your tears represent the entire reason people are trolling hisec pocos atm?
Not crying, like I said, If I (and everyone else) want to do Factory worlds, I'm just going to go to Low sec or WH, I'm just stunned at peoples Stupidity. Here is a opportunity to cash in on a cash cow and very seem to very realize. It Just blows my mind really. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1277
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:54:00 -
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Rita Riddick wrote:
Down with BoB/Goonies!!!
You are the "fruit of a poisonous tree".
I can assure you that I am quite a tasty and nutritious fruit. |
Torigoma
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:56:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:Rita Riddick wrote:
Down with BoB/Goonies!!!
You are the "fruit of a poisonous tree".
I can assure you that I am quite a tasty and nutritious fruit.
As long as you guys could promise a steady tax rate (as in keep your Offices up and guarded), you could be Rattlesnake for all I care. But like I said, some kinda "PI License" might be something you want to look into, It could attract some business. |
Jill Chastot
Oath of the Forsaken
Ragnarok.
6
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:58:00 -
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"people don't understand economics"
or maybe they do, and you don't. There's more to be had than the flashing numbers.
I'm looking cartels here, if there's the organisation there could be a huge shake up of status quo of PI
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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
Solar Assault Fleet
723
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Posted - 2013.11.19 21:59:00 -
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Torigoma wrote:
No, there's the thing; by setting LOW taxes, you get
-Cheap PI for you and your Friends.
Which is useless if it's equally cheap for my competitors.
Torigoma wrote:
-Support from the Community
Which community?
And what support?
Torigoma wrote:
-Much more Isk from Taxes than Market manipulation
Hardly, with low tax settings and no market gains it'll take forever just to recover the cost of the PoCo.
Torigoma wrote:
-Just as may Wardecs from those trying to take over a profitable system.
Which in most cases is calculated as part of the intended gain.
CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil.
CCP Fozzie: When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
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