Or are doing it for fun.

Sounds like your PI stuff is stuck on a planet and you don't want to pay the tax, and now you are crying on the forums.

Tears, that's why they did it, and they succeeded.

I'd go with this one.

The Smart Owners will set low taxes at around 1-5%, to attract as many people to their systems as possible.

And there will be tears all the same.

"CCP how can you allow people to do this? I can't do my PI anymore in highsec because big baddies put up their own POCO with super high taxes!"

Those people obviously do not understand economics. Or are doing it for fun.

If you want reasonable tax rates, come up to The Forge and look for an RvB-R or an RvB-B owned POCO, we have good rates for neutrals - 5% from us, and a recommendation to train Customs Code Expertise to V to knock the NPC tax down to 5% also, giving you a very favourable 10%

(When compared to the Interbus basic rate on the remaining Interbus Offices).

But by setting it to zero for my friends and 100% for everyone else I gain:
- Cheap PI for me and my friends
- Forum tears instead of competition from others.
- Better price for the PI we produce.
- Potential wardecs that can be handed over (and in some cases even sold) to dedicated PVP corps.

Sounds like a decent plan.

When will they learn, you can't tax yourself out of a recession.

And if the location of the RvB customs offices are not to your liking, there are plenty of customs offices run by Goonswarm Federation in cooperation with RvB as part of the RvBee Collective. You'll be able to identify them by looking for our ticker. Regardless of location, all RvBee Collective controlled POCOs have the same low 5% tax rate!

And if the location of the RvB customs offices are not to your liking, there are plenty of customs offices run by Goonswarm Federation in cooperation with RvB as part of the RvBee Collective. You'll be able to identify them by looking for our ticker. Regardless of location, all RvBee Collective controlled POCOs have the same low 5% tax rate!

You guys wouldn't happen to have some sort of... program... where savvy corporations can pay up front for standings allowing for a lower tax rate?

Band together with other PI warriors.

Find a few systems with low radius factory-ready planets. Make sure these planets are well off teh beaten path.

Kill a few POCOs. Set 0% taxes.

Use freighters/couriers to handle high volume transport.

Make a killing.

Just because Goons or RVB takes down some of the high-demand planets near Jita doesn't mean you can't have good PI. You only need 6 planets right?

Op, you do realize that this thread and your tears represent the entire reason people are trolling hisec pocos atm?

Down with BoB/Goonies!!!

You are the "fruit of a poisonous tree".

I can assure you that I am quite a tasty and nutritious fruit.

No, there's the thing; by setting LOW taxes, you get
-Cheap PI for you and your Friends.

-Support from the Community

-Much more Isk from Taxes than Market manipulation

-Just as may Wardecs from those trying to take over a profitable system.

Here is a opportunity to cash in on a cash cow and very seem to very realize. It Just blows my mind really.

Not crying, like I said, If I (and everyone else) want to do Factory worlds, I'm just going to go to Low sec or WH

Which is useless if it's equally cheap for my competitors.


Which community?
And what support?


Hardly, with low tax settings and no market gains it'll take forever just to recover the cost of the PoCo.



Which in most cases is calculated as part of the intended gain.

We're only charging 5% geez.

1: This would be true, if you where the Only people actually the Market. You may be "lowering" the competition, but in that case all you are doing is weeding out the Kittens and leaving the Lions.

2: As in protection, If a I've low taxes on a Planet, you better believe I'm protecting it. I've just as much invested there as you.

3: Again, look at the numbers. even at Low taxes, It only take about 2-3 days to reimburse a Office, after that, it's PURE PROFIT with no work.

4: Again, look above. If one system have low taxes, making more from Taxes than the High tax system, who do you think is going to be a bigger target? More so when there are more willing to defend the System?

I don't get it. If you don't like their tax rate, just kill their POCO and put up your own. Problem solved.

lol, true, my rational is that that still sets it to Pre-rubicion levels (unless I am misunderstanding the Skill). Not many people liked high sec PI because it was harder to make a profit. by making a program like that, you could possibly draw in people that might otherwise stay in Low/Null Sec.

highsec lions

now i've heard everything

You showed us.
We just do things, we don't really think about it at all.

If you had all your factory stuff on a planet, why would you have NOT taken steps to secure it for yourself?

You failed to take it, someone else did. You have pretty much abdicated any right you had to use of that poco, then. Don't like it? Blow up the one that's there right now.

Please actually read the thread before posting stupid stuff. Like I said, I already have my stuff out of High Sec, I'm not complaining about that.. I'm trying to figure out why people are coping out of a massive opportunity.

Please actually read the thread before posting stupid stuff. Like I said, I already have my stuff out of High Sec, I'm not complaining about that.. I'm trying to figure out why people are coping out of a massive opportunity.

Please actually read the thread before posting stupid stuff. Like I said, I already have my stuff out of High Sec, I'm not complaining about that.. I'm trying to figure out why people are coping out of a massive opportunity.

That PI..."You didn't build that".

Well, I can answer that right now.

Because it's funny. And there is also a possibility to profit from it, and a possibility to get good fights from it.

There is no reason not to.

Those people obviously do not understand economics. Or are doing it for fun.

Yes there is. Like I said, you can make MORE profit by lower taxes and attracting people to your System. And more fights from those trying to take a system. If Taxes are high, the Only systems that are going to see much action are those that are strategic, close to a Hub or Low Sec. But a System with low taxes and lots of traffic is going to be profitable no matter where it is.

Heh, nope. You don't seem to understand the benefits of keeping down an industry you are invested in.

Suppose, for example, that I owned one or two of those planets near a hub or a lowsec gate. Discouraging people from using anything else is GREAT for me.

And it all goes triple for big alliances, who don't care about the piddle of isk they can make from being nice to the carebears, but who really care about market manipulation, which they can do by shutting other people down.

Heh, nope. You don't seem to understand the benefits of keeping down an industry you are invested in.

Suppose, for example, that I owned one or two of those planets near a hub or a lowsec gate. Discouraging people from using anything else is GREAT for me.

And it all goes triple for big alliances, who don't care about the piddle of isk they can make from being nice to the carebears, but who really care about market manipulation, which they can do by shutting other people down.

Pretty much the reason I quit PI entirely when this change was announced.

You can do PI in any number of RvB owned system for a grand total of 10% tax once you trained the new tax skill which is exactly the same rate as the old NPC tax rate. Nothing changes for you, we just get to fund more explosions. Win-Win, right?

Edit: if you want to find us, we're in Josameto, Liekuri, Poinen, Otela and a few other systems all conveniently located within a few jumps of jita

Ok, I've started to see people set up customs offices in High sec with taxes a t 80-90%. Why in Gods name would they do this?

There's the thing, like I said, the Market Manipulation is not going to work, not how people think for several reasons.

1: PI Mostly comes from Low/Null/WH ANYWAY, High Sec is going to have little effect on the market as a whole.
2: By Cutting out the "Kittens" you leave nothing but Lions to contend with. If the market becomes far more difficult to control in any one's favor when all the contenders are big wigs.
3: By having high Taxes, you are encouraging people to use anything BUT yours. meaning you are loosing out for more work.

Afraid not. The tax rate applies across the board, regardless of standing.

Pretty much the reason I quit PI entirely when this change was announced.

CCP are like every other company it seems. They start off strong with a lot of fresh ideas, but eventually become the old man in the room. We need some new hip kids to lead them properly.

Yes there is. Like I said, you can make MORE profit by lower taxes and attracting people to your System. And more fights from those trying to take a system. If Taxes are high, the Only systems that are going to see much action are those that are strategic, close to a Hub or Low Sec. But a System with low taxes and lots of traffic is going to be profitable no matter where it is.

RvB taxes I have no problem with (though like I've said before, a PI License would be a nice option), Its the 70-80% ones that get me.

What we need is more of CCP ignoring bears.

Would you prefer they tried to make them into something else?

I have seen those games where newcomers who come in cold, that is, not invited by a friend who can send a contingent of fighters/ships/teleport/etc to "save" them from no-lifes at the entry point who wait all day to kill everything that moves, and they spend a few minutes there, and then realize "Oh, I don't already have a bunch of friends to join with and I'll spend all day getting killed for someone else's enjoyment? Crap game".


I know I know. For many people, making Eve become "that game" is their game, and when the End of Life is announced for the game someday they'll high five each other.

Not everybody likes to rely on being in a pack to do every little thing in a game. We enjoy company in real life.

On behalf of the Goonswarm Federation I'd like to apologize for this oversight. I told the GoonWaffe Economic Council that we should ask the forums for their enlightened opinion on how we should manage our pocos and it seems they didn't listen. I'm going to have them fired as soon as I finish unseating The Mittani.

There are only so many entities with the manpower to grind POCOs using subcaps, ofc this was going to happen. Anyone from Goons want to say how they got CCP to make a nice new revenue stream for them a 'feature' of an expansion?

They owe us for all the publicity we bring to ourselves.

Fixed that for ya, partner.

Same thing. Eve is Goons.

There are only so many entities with the manpower to grind POCOs using subcaps, ofc this was going to happen. Anyone from Goons want to say how they got CCP to make a nice new revenue stream for them a 'feature' of an expansion?

There are only so many entities with the manpower to grind POCOs using subcaps, ofc this was going to happen. Anyone from Goons want to say how they got CCP to make a nice new revenue stream for them a 'feature' of an expansion?

Taxes? What are these POCO Taxes you speak of?

I'm not aware of any such taxes.

Why the hell are you doing PI in hi sec anyway?

fully optimized, I can rake in about 70M in PI products everyday per character, though I tend to pack it down into P3s to save myself the trips to trade hubs. Less optimized I can still make about 50M if I haven't reset my extractor planets recently and the area is being stripped down to 100 units per extractor.


Still not sure what this POCO tax nonsense is.

You K-Space bears are silly. You are paying PI taxes with the worst possible yield.

There are only so many entities with the manpower to grind POCOs using subcaps, ofc this was going to happen. Anyone from Goons want to say how they got CCP to make a nice new revenue stream for them a 'feature' of an expansion?

On behalf of the Goonswarm Federation I'd like to apologize for this oversight. I told the GoonWaffe Economic Council that we should ask the forums for their enlightened opinion on how we should manage our pocos and it seems they didn't listen. I'm going to have them fired as soon as I finish unseating The Mittani.

yeah this update has just been another way to beat up the little guy, solo players and small corps benefit nothing from POCO's and instead lose everything from high-sec PI. This only effects the big guys.



Well we don't have the fleets of warships/members logging/co-ordination to have a chance at taking down a POCO. Even if we did no-one could agree on who the POCO went to.

yeah this update has just been another way to beat up the little guy, solo players and small corps benefit nothing from POCO's and instead lose everything from high-sec PI. This only effects the big guys.

Once again we take on high sec and it just rolls over.

Yes you win, if you cant beat em, bore em ! ;)

I just need to remind everyone, people are mad about the taxes being 5% gsf 5%npc corp. Default Interbus is 10%.


Literally nothing has changed except for people who are -10 to goonswarm.

I just need to remind everyone, people are mad about the taxes being 5% gsf 5%npc corp. Default Interbus is 10%.


Literally nothing has changed except for people who are -10 to goonswarm.

Well that and the fact that now pubbie taxes are going to fund the next Burn Jita.

There is nothing to be gained from High-Sec PI in the first place.

.

The RvBee customs authority has made considerable isk already today and we're barely through releasing High Sec pubbies from the chains of an impersonal corporation taking their money.

You guys got up on that pretty quickly, by the way. I admire your operational efficiency. I got on literally 30 minutes after downtime was over, and saw you all through space while roaming for ghost sites.

The RvBee customs authority has made considerable isk already today and we're barely through releasing High Sec pubbies from the chains of an impersonal corporation taking their money.

surprise, it was planned out well in advance

I'm going to have them fired as soon as I finish unseating The Mittani.

Oh, how can we EVER thank you.

Ya, lemme know when that "considerable isk" you're making pays for those POCOs.

Also thoroughly enjoyed the idea that you felt it meta necessary to come tell us about all the isk you're raking in. LOL.

Love me some Goon propaganda! Mmm. Delicious!

Just like your tears. yum yum

Just like your tears. yum yum

Now go find somewhere else to do PI and HTFU. Failing that, put up your own POCOs or find a WH. Seriously.

because people are idiots.

which

How can that be? Mittens just convinced you all that you had to take all this space in Fountain and Delve just to survive.

Publords gotta pub, I suppose.

Publords crying about us on the forums is just as vital to our survival as the isk.

That is, of course, assuming someone who hates highsec doesn't dominate them all, and set them high just for the tears and lolz.

And there will be tears all the same.

"CCP how can you allow people to do this? I can't do my PI anymore in highsec because big baddies put up their own POCO with super high taxes!"

Pubies?

Hehe, it seems the siphon stuff will make more tears than we thought.

Yeah, siphon, or you think all this POCO for nothing is for real, followed by Burn Jita project?

Well, I'm just going to grab some stuff and making some isk (tears) as I love them as much as the next guy.

Siphon for the WIN! Forget about this POCOless scenario and tinny PI prices. Lets think BIG, like the "lions", huh?

Maybe it's because there's more money to be made driving up the prices of PI goods. Or maybe it's because **** you. Or maybe it's both. More money for us. **** you.

There's the thing, like I said, the Market Manipulation is not going to work, not how people think for several reasons.

1: PI Mostly comes from Low/Null/WH ANYWAY, High Sec is going to have little effect on the market as a whole.
2: By Cutting out the "Kittens" you leave nothing but Lions to contend with. If the market becomes far more difficult to control in any one's favor when all the contenders are big wigs.
3: By having high Taxes, you are encouraging people to use anything BUT yours. meaning you are loosing out for more work.

Those people obviously do not understand economics. Or are doing it for fun.

If you want reasonable tax rates, come up to The Forge and look for an RvB-R or an RvB-B owned POCO, we have good rates for neutrals - 5% from us, and a recommendation to train Customs Code Expertise to V to knock the NPC tax down to 5% also, giving you a very favourable 10%

(When compared to the Interbus basic rate on the remaining Interbus Offices).

surprise, it was planned out well in advance

Oh, I am sure it was. I also had a suspicion that you guys were going to invade one or two lowsec areas and take the pocos over there, too.

But it's still the first day, time will tell I suppose.

heh heh... goon tears

If you want lower taxes i suggest you get a corp together and take down some POCO and set up your own.

Ok, I've started to see people set up customs offices in High sec with taxes a t 80-90%. Why in Gods name would they do this? This is not Low/Null sec, you WANT people to use your Planets. High Sec PI's profit is not in Planet Resources (P0s), they are too low for that, Dedicated PI players are going to go for P2-P4 Factory worlds. The Smart Owners will set low taxes at around 1-5%, to attract as many people to their systems as possible.
Lets do some simply Math.

Say you own a system with 8 planets. Each Player will have at Minimum 6 Factory worlds. Each of those Factory worlds can produce 1-2mil per Player in Taxes per day at even 1%, or 6-12`mil per Player per day. Say you attract only 10 players to the System. That's 60-120mil per day with no work, PLUS your own PI, PLUS your Corp/Alliance PI.

So to recap, why are people choosing just alliance control, when they can have Alliance control AND make 1.8bil-3.60bil a month in Taxes?

82 POCOs on day one.

Del

If you don't mind answering, is this focused in specific areas, or scattered across the map?

And, were the pocos taken chosen by design or opportunity?

Ok, I've started to see people set up customs offices in High sec with taxes a t 80-90%. Why in Gods name would they do this? This is not Low/Null sec, you WANT people to use your Planets. High Sec PI's profit is not in Planet Resources (P0s), they are too low for that, Dedicated PI players are going to go for P2-P4 Factory worlds. The Smart Owners will set low taxes at around 1-5%, to attract as many people to their systems as possible.
Lets do some simply Math.

Say you own a system with 8 planets. Each Player will have at Minimum 6 Factory worlds. Each of those Factory worlds can produce 1-2mil per Player in Taxes per day at even 1%, or 6-12`mil per Player per day. Say you attract only 10 players to the System. That's 60-120mil per day with no work, PLUS your own PI, PLUS your Corp/Alliance PI.

So to recap, why are people choosing just alliance control, when they can have Alliance control AND make 1.8bil-3.60bil a month in Taxes?

make some friends

intervention was required.

Ok, I've started to see people set up customs offices in High sec with taxes a t 80-90%. Why in Gods name would they do this? This is not Low/Null sec, you WANT people to use your Planets. High Sec PI's profit is not in Planet Resources (P0s), they are too low for that, Dedicated PI players are going to go for P2-P4 Factory worlds. The Smart Owners will set low taxes at around 1-5%, to attract as many people to their systems as possible.
Lets do some simply Math.

Say you own a system with 8 planets. Each Player will have at Minimum 6 Factory worlds. Each of those Factory worlds can produce 1-2mil per Player in Taxes per day at even 1%, or 6-12`mil per Player per day. Say you attract only 10 players to the System. That's 60-120mil per day with no work, PLUS your own PI, PLUS your Corp/Alliance PI.

So to recap, why are people choosing just alliance control, when they can have Alliance control AND make 1.8bil-3.60bil a month in Taxes?

No, there's the thing; by setting LOW taxes, you get
-Cheap PI for you and your Friends.
-Support from the Community
-Much more Isk from Taxes than Market manipulation
-Just as may Wardecs from those trying to take over a profitable system.

Why in Gods name would they do this?

Ok, I've started to see people set up customs offices in High sec with taxes a t 80-90%. Why in Gods name would they do this? This is not Low/Null sec, you WANT people to use your Planets. High Sec PI's profit is not in Planet Resources (P0s), they are too low for that, Dedicated PI players are going to go for P2-P4 Factory worlds. The Smart Owners will set low taxes at around 1-5%, to attract as many people to their systems as possible.
Lets do some simply Math.

Say you own a system with 8 planets. Each Player will have at Minimum 6 Factory worlds. Each of those Factory worlds can produce 1-2mil per Player in Taxes per day at even 1%, or 6-12`mil per Player per day. Say you attract only 10 players to the System. That's 60-120mil per day with no work, PLUS your own PI, PLUS your Corp/Alliance PI.

So to recap, why are people choosing just alliance control, when they can have Alliance control AND make 1.8bil-3.60bil a month in Taxes?

The results per tax rate will have the potential to be a lesson for real-world governments.
Low taxed stations will have all the commerce. The high tax stations will look like East Germany in the late 80s.

Nobody will pay attention.

If you dislike it, declare war on them and take down the poco, and replace it with your own, priced at reasonable rates

ah well the last time made friends against the goons, it was called dogpiling, and intervention was required. It guess this "friends" thing isn't terribly effective afterall?

The results per tax rate will have the potential to be a lesson for real-world governments.
Low taxed stations will have all the commerce. The high tax stations will look like East Germany in the late 80s.

Nobody will pay attention.

Those people obviously do not understand economics. Or are doing it for fun.

If you want reasonable tax rates, come up to The Forge and look for an RvB-R or an RvB-B owned POCO, we have good rates for neutrals - 5% from us, and a recommendation to train Customs Code Expertise to V to knock the NPC tax down to 5% also, giving you a very favourable 10%

(When compared to the Interbus basic rate on the remaining Interbus Offices).

And if the location of the RvB customs offices are not to your liking, there are plenty of customs offices run by Goonswarm Federation in cooperation with RvB as part of the RvBee Collective. You'll be able to identify them by looking for our ticker. Regardless of location, all RvBee Collective controlled POCOs have the same low 5% tax rate!

Man up. Do your PI in lowsec .

Do you plan to complete this takeover? As of right now there are still a few in the Jita-area under different management and I am worried that my goods will be improperly handled on route from the planet surface.

Do you plan to complete this takeover? As of right now there are still a few in the Jita-area under different management and I am worried that my goods will be improperly handled on route from the planet surface. Already I have seen Livestock with suspicious sticky substances on their hindquarters and an unruly behaviour as if something has got them scared of human handlers. My customers prefer to give the animals that treatment themselves.

Getting the picture of who designed this?

Goons are very satisfied with the changes.

It's okay. Just get some siphons and give the Goons what for.

It's okay. Just get some siphons and give the Goons what for.

Sorry, low sec PI is screwed also. Way higher import / export taxes.

Cost is around 130m to put up a POCO, it would take me years to make up the cost.

Not like I kept up on my PI much in the first place, but now, why bother.

It's the goons I win button.

make some friends

I live rent free and was just given thousands of dollars worth of heavy equipment and guns. I'll keep my RL friends and play alone in a game any time thank you.

I live rent free and was just given thousands of dollars worth of heavy equipment and guns. I'll keep my RL friends and play alone in a game any time thank you.

How is that cult compound in Montana working out for you?

I live rent free and was just given thousands of dollars worth of heavy equipment and guns. I'll keep my RL friends and play alone in a game any time thank you.

So, I hope that everybody got to see what my creepy cousin's mindset is like

Are you in a criminal neonazi gang

Never been to Montana.




I don't brag about guns. They're tools. Might as well talk up my ratchet set. But I know where you are trying to go. You want to say I am "bragging about guns" because I'm butthurt or something. I had a cousin once who would hit on women, and when they told him to hit the road, he'd come back and be like "Hey, she got mad. That means she really wants me". So I can see how the tear harvesters in this game are. It's like that scene from Full Metal Jacket. "If they run, they're VC. If they don't run, they're well disciplined VC", as the person making that comment machine-gunned non-combatants from a helicopter.

So in Babysitting Online, if you get ganked and say something, it's tears. If you don't say something, then you are so upset you're speechless, and it's still tears.

And this is the mentality that normal people see in the game and move on. Nobody liked my creeper cousin, and if it cost 15 bucks a month to put up with him, we'd have arranged a hunting accident.

In the meantime, to further dispel this "he's mad so he's bragging about guns to scare us" routine, I never had anything to do with PI. When PI was introduced I read threadnaughts complaining about what a clickfest it was. PI struck me as being a bit "SimCity-ish" and I never had any interest in games like that. I like to wander nullsec and explore, not bounce around some route clicking on things. What dosage of Ritalin makes such a thing possible in a game, I have no idea.

So, I hope that everybody got to see what my creepy cousin's mindset is like and why we only have 300K players for a game that's been around for a decade.

Interesting question to come from someone in an organization that boosts the self-esteem of its members by convincing said membership that they are special and better than everybody else just by being members of the organization. Do I need to cite the rhetoric and the reuse of the old propaganda posters too?

Where have we seen that before in history?

The answer is in your question.

I really hadn't thought about it that much. It was only a comment on the mere mention of them in a discussion. I'm from Northern Ireland. I've seen enough guns to know I don't like them or the people who carry them. And I certainly don't like anyone who uses guns in an argument.

We've only just managed to get them out of the argument over here.

Mentioning guns in an argument about something unrelated is not considered making a threat.

Just really, really weird.

'Hi, how are you today?'

'I have a Sig-Sauer P226'

Did you want to go see the new Thor Movie?

'Can I bring my Glock G30 Gen 4, the shorter trigger reach is amazing?'

I was only being honest about my point of the importance of RL friends over in-game friends. But I live in a different culture where guns are valued for their utility and/or collectability (depending on the device itself, condition, etc). Mentioning guns in an argument about something unrelated is not considered making a threat.

You see I have friends, they give me guns

Just really, really weird.

'Hi, how are you today?'

'I have a Sig-Sauer P226'

Did you want to go see the new Thor Movie?

'Can I bring my Glock G30 Gen 4, the shorter trigger reach is amazing?'

Hey, I know. Let's just let the Goons have ALL the BPO's. They will take care of all our needs and we will NEVER want for anything again.

~The End~

This thread is weird.

There is this huge elephant standing in the middle of the room, but everybody is so busy with whining over taxes or falling for the usual, tedious Grrr Goons rhetorics that our pachydermic friend gets completely neglected.

So RvB and GSF have just announced that they are allied- not just for a singular event like "Burn Jita", but for the foreseeable future

My mind just got blown into a million little pieces....

That man has guns, all we have is internet spaceships, we are done for.

I do not have guns nor do I live for free in a GSF terrorist training camp

Is thousands of dollars in equipment like a 2001 Range Rover?

This thread is weird.

There is this huge elephant standing in the middle of the room, but everybody is so busy with whining over taxes or falling for the usual, tedious Grrr Goons rhetorics that our pachydermic friend gets completely neglected.

So RvB and GSF have just announced that they are allied- not just for a singular event like "Burn Jita", but for the foreseeable future

My mind just got blown into a million little pieces....

the blue doughnut extends to highsec

High Sec: Friend havers go Home!

Is it really a doughnut then? Maybe more of a blue waffle?

Is it really a doughnut then? Maybe more of a blue waffle?

Hmmm... I hadn't been made aware that I was basically a member of GSF, now. Does this mean I can also make the "join us for 500m application fee" offers? When do I get my membership card? Can I dock at VFK? This is all new and terribly exciting for me.

Is it really a doughnut then? Maybe more of a blue waffle?

Can I dock at VFK? This is all new and terribly exciting for me.

Hmmm... I hadn't been made aware that I was basically a member of GSF, now. Does this mean I can also make the "join us for 500m application fee" offers? When do I get my membership card? Can I dock at VFK? This is all new and terribly exciting for me.

If you have standings then yes you would be able to dock.

Are you blue, or just third partying on all our wars

If you have standings then yes you would be able to dock.

Are you blue, or just third partying on all our wars

I guess technically it could be a rental truck full of fertilizer. Should we be contacting the authorities?

My problem with this topic is the "pile on the noobs" attitude that some players exhibit. While I'm not Mr. Gamer, having played everything, I have seen the effect of games that are arranged such that newcomers are severely handicapped. The kind of response I originally mentioned I have witnessed myself. Of course the game has way more dimensions and content than such a one-sided impression, but impressions are everything. And if things are set up so that trying out game content is nearly impossible, then a one-dimensional experience is all players will get. What will be the solution in the long run? Will it be a noob started zone where they can try everything in safety before setting out into the "real" world? I would bet that some of the same people basking in the butthurt now will be griping about "amusement park gaming" and "CCP favors carebears" if CCP had to resort to such measures. I have written many times that in a sandbox if you take the pale and shovel and make being in the sandbox all about hitting the other kids with the pale and shovel and then pointing and laughing, "Mommy" (CCP) will have to take away the pale and shovel (or nerf the hell out of it). Be nice to the noobs for these little ducklings will grow up to be drakes (literally) and they'll be worth the ammo you use to kill them.

After all this I wonder if CCP thinks there are too many people stuck on PI and are trying to get them off it, but rather than arbitrarily knock down PI, get the players to do the dirty work. Well played, CCP.

Seeing that I have derailed the thread from PoCos and have no tear investment in the matter (I really don't have interest in PI) I will take my leave.

This thread is weird.

There is this huge elephant standing in the middle of the room, but everybody is so busy with whining over taxes or falling for the usual, tedious Grrr Goons rhetorics that our pachydermic friend gets completely neglected.

So RvB and GSF have just announced that they are allied- not just for a singular event like "Burn Jita", but for the foreseeable future

My mind just got blown into a million little pieces....

Yet you are the one giving me crap. Just saying.

Yet you are the one giving me crap. Just saying.

What ?

I am allied with the goons now ?


WOHOOOOOO !!! \o/ :D

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