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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.02.23 16:46:00 -
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OK, so we know there's lots of bugs and stuff that need fixing.
However, there's still a lot of stuff that lots of us, even experienced players, don't know about, don't understand, or don't see the effects of until its too late.
We NEED a comprehensive manual, that details those minor things in Eve that cause people major headaches, as well as all of the basics.
Most of these things can be found in the forums, but they take massive posts and dev responses to find out about. The game is crying out for a manual, especially with all these new players who will be getting involved in the more 'complex' sides of the game when their skillpoints hit a reasonable level soon.
I'm sure you could put together a team of players who'd be willing to do this *for free*. All they'd need is a well informed dev contact to ask questions of, and a very pretty, spangly, informative manual could be produced.
Please, CCP, give us a manual, or give us the tools to make one!
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Calderio
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Posted - 2006.02.23 16:57:00 -
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yes its called patch notes.
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Dimitri Chandler
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Posted - 2006.02.23 17:03:00 -
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Nah let the new players work it out. They have more guides and stuff than ever before.
Us vet types never had a proper manual or guides like they do nowadays.
If we had, I may have thought twice before putting all my attribute points into charisma on my first and main character.
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kieron
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Posted - 2006.02.23 17:04:00 -
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We are looking into diffeent areas for a living EVE manual, and the front runner so far is an EVE wiki hosted, managed and moderated by CCP. While this is in the early stages, it looks to be the most promising. More information will be posted as it becomes available.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online
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David Brent
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Posted - 2006.02.23 17:14:00 -
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OOOOOOH Nice.... Eve Wikki FTW 
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.02.23 17:26:00 -
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ftw indeed 
sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris
yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing
Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler
Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy
Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault
Stop spamming with "QFT" >:|. - Teblin
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.02.23 17:34:00 -
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Yum!
-------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
[04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw
[07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Stop whining about my signature - Wrangler
\o/ ~kieron
[\"] -Capsicum
<3 -eris
you wanted colours
now you have them :) -eris..again
Donuts and cAKe anyone? Jacques'
Nikolai can post twice as fast as me, and i'm uber -zhuge liang
Uhm, I'm new to this, does this work? *clickety* Oveur |
Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.02.23 17:37:00 -
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Wiki = win 
[23] Member: Official Forum Warrior
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.02.23 17:39:00 -
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 Originally by: Dark Shikari
Wiki = win
Maybe it's a...EVE-WIN-KI!
Oh wait, wrong thread 
-------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
[04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw
[07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Stop whining about my signature - Wrangler
\o/ ~kieron
[\"] -Capsicum
<3 -eris
you wanted colours
now you have them :) -eris..again
Donuts and cAKe anyone? Jacques'
Nikolai can post twice as fast as me, and i'm uber -zhuge liang
Uhm, I'm new to this, does this work? *clickety* Oveur |
JP Beauregard
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Posted - 2006.02.23 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
We are looking into diffeent areas for a living EVE manual, and the front runner so far is an EVE wiki hosted, managed and moderated by CCP. While this is in the early stages, it looks to be the most promising. More information will be posted as it becomes available.
I'm not about to suggest with a straight face that previous attempts at moderating user provided content have been an unqualified success. But I'm sure someone will want to argue that.
The wiki concept has only one advantage. It doesn't cost CCP one grimy isk. And in the end, we'll all get exactly they pay for.
JP Beauregard
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.02.23 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: JP Beauregard
The wiki concept has only one advantage. It doesn't cost CCP one grimy isk. And in the end, we'll all get exactly they pay for.
Wikipedia doesn't cost anything and is by far the best general resource on the entire internet.
Countless websites on the internet use their own wikis and are great resources. I don't see a single disadvantage of a Wiki.
A CCP-created guide would be constantly incomplete and out of date.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.02.23 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: JP Beauregard
The wiki concept has only one advantage. It doesn't cost CCP one grimy isk. And in the end, we'll all get exactly they pay for.
Wikipedia doesn't cost anything and is by far the best general resource on the entire internet.
Countless websites on the internet use their own wikis and are great resources. I don't see a single disadvantage of a Wiki.
A CCP-created guide would be constantly incomplete and out of date.
not to mention ISD/CCP will moderate it, but they will NOT waste valuable development time on writing a manual, which lets be honest, we've done without for god knows how long
sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris
yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing
Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler
Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy
Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault
Stop spamming with "QFT" >:|. - Teblin
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madhapee
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Posted - 2006.02.23 17:51:00 -
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yes a good manual is way overdue
The patch notes are a horrible way of finding information as searches are not possible.
Just last week I wanted to read about dreads and had to spit through many many forum pages (which could be inaccurate) to understand how they kinda work.
Even the item database is often not comprehensive.
Things as "siege mode" I have no clue how it works and what it does. Why not write itin a manual?
come on eve , you guys are 99% great, go 100% make a manual
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.02.23 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Testy Mctest
stuff
stop nicking my ideas 
oh, and /signed
Originally by: Zzazzt
Originally by: thoth foc
PA doesnt stand for anything..
Punchbag Alliance...
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Hohenheim OfLight
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Posted - 2006.02.23 18:14:00 -
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I know what you mena with half the corp roels one wounders if you giving away the family silver just so some on can see the corp hanger, sometimes.
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Leomund Sardis
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Posted - 2006.02.23 18:22:00 -
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An EVE Wiki sounds like a good idea. However, I like to have a portable copy for reading in rooms that don't have internet access.
 Would it be possible for CCP or perhaps a knowledgeable person to collect essential wiki data into a single .pdf? I know that things like this become obsolete over time, but something like a pdf of wiki essentials wouldn't need to be updated except after major patches, i.e., RMR and Kali.
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2006.02.23 18:24:00 -
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Have fun keeping it up to date
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Jesuax
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Posted - 2006.02.23 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
We are looking into diffeent areas for a living EVE manual, and the front runner so far is an EVE wiki hosted, managed and moderated by CCP. While this is in the early stages, it looks to be the most promising. More information will be posted as it becomes available.
I like this idea. Toss in a "search" tool for this forum, as well :)
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Eternal Fury
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Posted - 2006.02.23 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jesuax
Originally by: kieron
We are looking into diffeent areas for a living EVE manual, and the front runner so far is an EVE wiki hosted, managed and moderated by CCP. While this is in the early stages, it looks to be the most promising. More information will be posted as it becomes available.
I like this idea. Toss in a "search" tool for this forum, as well :)
There is one one now.. Not that good though. I still use the one in my Sig.
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Q: Wheres the Search button on the forums?
A: There isn't one. go here. www.eve-search.com
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Kane Ululani
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Posted - 2006.02.24 01:38:00 -
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This will only be an excessive nerf of the dev's fun. To think that this may never happen;
Oveur > XXXXXX Alliance is taking their titan into action for the first time!
Tomb > Sweet!
Oveur > Oops, he "doomed" his fleet.
Tomb > lawl
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Vlad Morrolan
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Posted - 2006.02.24 02:04:00 -
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I'd like to see a printed manual for the basic system, like the things the tutorial takes you through. Ship fitting, module activation, targeting, navigation, etc, etc. Something a few pages long and in PDF format, that we could print out and give to people who're interested. The biggest issue I've run into in getting people interested is that there's no real way to show people how different the gameplay is from flight-sim style. It'd be nice to give them some idea of what they're getting into. Perhaps put the basics of market activity, as well as how the manufacturing/labs system works too. A written index of stacking formulas, etc, would be nice too.
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Neon Genesis
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Posted - 2006.02.24 02:06:00 -
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Not really needed, why give new people a manuel of what's going on when we didn'd ever know?
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GouldFish
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Posted - 2006.02.24 13:11:00 -
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Noooooooooooooo wiki's FTL!
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Garia666
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Posted - 2006.02.24 13:23:00 -
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Edited by: Garia666 on 24/02/2006 13:23:26
i got one when i bought the CD
Mabe someone can scan it and post it somewhere
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.02.24 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: GouldFish
Noooooooooooooo wiki's FTL!
No, Wikis 4TW!
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Edward Sarum
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Posted - 2006.02.24 13:44:00 -
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I would suggest a 3 ring binder approach. This will rpovide a nice hard book in our ahnds, something amny of us want and it is easy to update. When patches or updates create changes the changed pages are published in PDF format for the players to download and replace the appropriated pages in the binder.
This allows us to enjoy an actual hard copy of the manual while still allowing ease of udating.
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Wokrred
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Posted - 2006.02.24 13:58:00 -
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The last PDF manual I have is from Exodus deployment. Whould like to see another one done. Took a look at the last page and wrangler's name is on it.
The PDF is 11.4 MB
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GouldFish
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Posted - 2006.02.24 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: GouldFish
Noooooooooooooo wiki's FTL!
No, Wikis 4TW!
So far every site I've visited that been built on wiki has sucked badly due to how wiki is. and Don't get me started on the abonination that is wikipia.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.02.24 14:21:00 -
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A good start would be to adjust the skill and module descriptions to show what the stuff is doing.
Then updating the player guide so it somewhat resembles EVE would be a good second step.
Using the Icelandic saga, err, patch notes for game info ...
I have a copy of Grim's MSrchen from 1917(iirc), if you need exact info on EVE.
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Megadon
CCP wanted a well known artist and celebrity to test the new font so it's approval would be well known. They got Ray |
DJTheBaron
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Posted - 2006.02.24 14:46:00 -
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i'd like one on using scan probes, i cna use the scanner and getto probe within 1au, i have astrometrics 5 and cant seem to probe anything once i find it with the satelite probe
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Mr Popov
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Posted - 2006.02.24 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: DJTheBaron
i'd like one on using scan probes, i cna use the scanner and getto probe within 1au, i have astrometrics 5 and cant seem to probe anything once i find it with the satelite probe
I'm not sure CCP even know how to use scan probes.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.02.24 15:17:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 24/02/2006 15:17:41
Originally by: GouldFish
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: GouldFish
Noooooooooooooo wiki's FTL!
No, Wikis 4TW!
So far every site I've visited that been built on wiki has sucked badly due to how wiki is. and Don't get me started on the abonination that is wikipia.
What the heck are you talking about?
Are you being paid by Microsoft or something? Because there is no valid reason not to like Wikipedia, being that it is 33% more accurate than Britannica and has articles on every topic imaginable.
All sorts of websites use Wikis to explain common topics related to them, and it works beautifully. There are bittorrent Wiki FAQs, anime fansub FAQs, and all of these are on wikis. An EVE wiki would be by far the best way to create a manual, as we already have plenty of people who can and do contribute--all we need is a single place to congregate. The ISD system is already created and can be used to moderate it. Since the wiki could be based on in-game logins, it would be extremely easy to ban trolls. Thus it wouldn't even have the problems that most public wikis have either
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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2006.02.24 15:45:00 -
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Sounds like a good idea, there are plenty of people who have written excellent guides to Eve (Trade 101, PvP 101, Toast 101, etc) which would have an excellent home in a Wiki.
Consider your sig tainted, and all your alcohol stolen - Wrangler
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Vult
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Posted - 2006.02.24 16:13:00 -
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Umm...
/me slaps GouldFish around a bit with a large trout.
Look around the forums for a few hours or so, especially in posts where dev's have spoken. Oveur and kieron are notorious for linking to Wiki's, and personally I kinda like how they work and look.
That, and with the Eve wiki appearing to be one that users can come in and add to as they feel necessary, it works out great because Eve users can talk the talk and explain things in-game with language that other Eve users can understand. Devs obviously would be encouraged to help out as well... but overall, I love the idea.
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Grizzlegore Grimm
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Posted - 2006.02.24 16:20:00 -
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Someone should talk to the people that made thottbot.com. Absolutely great database for WoW.
As far as a guide goes, I would love one. Maybe have one that can be printed down and put in a 3-ring binder, that way any new or old info can be easily added/removed as nessasary.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.02.24 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: FireFoxx80
Sounds like a good idea, there are plenty of people who have written excellent guides to Eve (Trade 101, PvP 101, Toast 101, etc) which would have an excellent home in a Wiki.
it would also be nice for the ships & mods regular lurkers who spend their days answering the same questions over and over again, all due to a lack of an official search feature (almost fixed), lazy gamers (unfixable) and no central info resource.
Originally by: Zzazzt
Originally by: thoth foc
PA doesnt stand for anything..
Punchbag Alliance...
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Nafri
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Posted - 2006.02.24 19:03:00 -
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patch notes doesnt help at all
a lot of things could need explanation, or do you know why target painters dont multiplicate?
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.02.25 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: FireFoxx80
Sounds like a good idea, there are plenty of people who have written excellent guides to Eve (Trade 101, PvP 101, Toast 101, etc) which would have an excellent home in a Wiki.
it would also be nice for the ships & mods regular lurkers who spend their days answering the same questions over and over again, all due to a lack of an official search feature (almost fixed), lazy gamers (unfixable) and no central info resource.
You *know* I share that pain.
Anyway, a Wiki....is not a good idea. Why? Because a Wiki is written by the players, for the players. And the players don't know everything, which is why we need a manual in the first place.
However its done, it *needs* to be done with at least some involvement by well informed CCP employees. GMs, Devs, etc.
The best way I see to do this, is to appoint someone to write the guide. If you write a wiki, it will still have holes in it. The forum is essentially a wiki, and there are a lot of topics unanswered here. One person needs a contact at CCP, so they can ask questions about things the community does not know, and pass that information on. There's many people on this forum qualified to do so, and those who frequent the forums (Kieron! and more) know who these are.
Please, if you do this, do it properly, and if you want it to be an open format, don't just moderate it, but give us a channel to find out things we need to know so that we can get the information out there.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.02.25 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Testy Mctest
Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: FireFoxx80
Sounds like a good idea, there are plenty of people who have written excellent guides to Eve (Trade 101, PvP 101, Toast 101, etc) which would have an excellent home in a Wiki.
it would also be nice for the ships & mods regular lurkers who spend their days answering the same questions over and over again, all due to a lack of an official search feature (almost fixed), lazy gamers (unfixable) and no central info resource.
You *know* I share that pain.
Anyway, a Wiki....is not a good idea. Why? Because a Wiki is written by the players, for the players. And the players don't know everything, which is why we need a manual in the first place.
However its done, it *needs* to be done with at least some involvement by well informed CCP employees. GMs, Devs, etc.
The best way I see to do this, is to appoint someone to write the guide. If you write a wiki, it will still have holes in it. The forum is essentially a wiki, and there are a lot of topics unanswered here. One person needs a contact at CCP, so they can ask questions about things the community does not know, and pass that information on. There's many people on this forum qualified to do so, and those who frequent the forums (Kieron! and more) know who these are.
Please, if you do this, do it properly, and if you want it to be an open format, don't just moderate it, but give us a channel to find out things we need to know so that we can get the information out there.
The problem is that the players actually do know much more about the game than CCP does.
CCP knows how the game works, but the players know how those features are used. A wiki would be very effective, as if there were some sections that needed extra information from a dev, he could simply log on and edit it in.
[23] Member: Official Forum Warrior
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Meeko Gloom
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Posted - 2006.02.25 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jesuax
Originally by: kieron
We are looking into diffeent areas for a living EVE manual, and the front runner so far is an EVE wiki hosted, managed and moderated by CCP. While this is in the early stages, it looks to be the most promising. More information will be posted as it becomes available.
I like this idea. Toss in a "search" tool for this forum, as well :)
eve-search.com
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.02.25 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Meeko Gloom
Originally by: Jesuax
Originally by: kieron
We are looking into diffeent areas for a living EVE manual, and the front runner so far is an EVE wiki hosted, managed and moderated by CCP. While this is in the early stages, it looks to be the most promising. More information will be posted as it becomes available.
I like this idea. Toss in a "search" tool for this forum, as well :)
eve-search.com
or even search.eve-online.com, but that gets pwned by eve-search on every account
sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris
yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing
Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler
Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy
Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault
Stop spamming with "QFT" >:|. - Teblin
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.02.25 17:17:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Testy Mctest
Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: FireFoxx80
Sounds like a good idea, there are plenty of people who have written excellent guides to Eve (Trade 101, PvP 101, Toast 101, etc) which would have an excellent home in a Wiki.
it would also be nice for the ships & mods regular lurkers who spend their days answering the same questions over and over again, all due to a lack of an official search feature (almost fixed), lazy gamers (unfixable) and no central info resource.
You *know* I share that pain.
Anyway, a Wiki....is not a good idea. Why? Because a Wiki is written by the players, for the players. And the players don't know everything, which is why we need a manual in the first place.
However its done, it *needs* to be done with at least some involvement by well informed CCP employees. GMs, Devs, etc.
The best way I see to do this, is to appoint someone to write the guide. If you write a wiki, it will still have holes in it. The forum is essentially a wiki, and there are a lot of topics unanswered here. One person needs a contact at CCP, so they can ask questions about things the community does not know, and pass that information on. There's many people on this forum qualified to do so, and those who frequent the forums (Kieron! and more) know who these are.
Please, if you do this, do it properly, and if you want it to be an open format, don't just moderate it, but give us a channel to find out things we need to know so that we can get the information out there.
The problem is that the players actually do know much more about the game than CCP does.
CCP knows how the game works, but the players know how those features are used. A wiki would be very effective, as if there were some sections that needed extra information from a dev, he could simply log on and edit it in.
Good point.
However, waiting for a dev to pop in or answer a question about some things (where CAN I build a carrier, was a good example of how long it took to get an answer) is simply no better than now. Giving someone a GM contact to send mails to ("Where can we build carriers, so I can put it into the wiki") would speed things up and make it easier for all involved.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.02.25 17:20:00 -
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i think simply having devs providing a barebones explanation of how each thing works, and an FAQ in the wiki before the release of every new piece of content would be good
sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris
yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing
Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler
Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy
Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault
Stop spamming with "QFT" >:|. - Teblin
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.02.25 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
i think simply having devs providing a barebones explanation of how each thing works, and an FAQ in the wiki before the release of every new piece of content would be good
They would need to back-date it for the past 5 content patches :/
Originally by: Zzazzt
Originally by: thoth foc
PA doesnt stand for anything..
Punchbag Alliance...
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Glerin Ancatis
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Posted - 2006.02.25 20:48:00 -
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Edited by: Glerin Ancatis on 25/02/2006 20:53:07
This is actually something I've been considering for a week or so. I've been away from the game for several months, but when I heard about RMR and the hardware upgrades, as well as Blood, that piqued my interest enough to warrant coming back -- I've been playing off and on since late beta, actually. Every time I come back, it's tough to find out what's going on, what's changed, and all the other miscellaneous details. A lot of this is due to the static nature of the official Player Guide. So I decided to start rewriting and improving it, and making it available to the EVE community.
This expanded into a more grand idea for EVE documentation and information, which I decided to term the EVE Documentation Project, and I've put up a wiki to this end at http://eve.sniping.org. I fully understand that some people dislike wikis, and I'm not going to debate their benefits versus their drawbacks as both sides have good ideas and points, but it's there and I'd like to see if people find a community-editable site for EVE documentation and guides to be of any use.
I've started another thread to announce it, so if you're interested in helping out we greatly appreciate it -- get more details in the new thread here.
Thanks,
Glerin
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Corp Scammer
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Posted - 2006.02.25 20:52:00 -
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CCP make minor changes every other day - hence a manual would be time consuming they let the player figure it out for themselves the item database explains things the help channel is there its frustrating but its like that it is
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.02.25 21:48:00 -
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I know quite a few commercially solid software companies where devs get reduced payment and warnings up to the boot when they're not able or willing to deliver their work together with comprehensive documentation.
It is strange that you can grab a piece of code from 5 years ago along with the documentation and start working on it within a few minutes or hours.
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Megadon
CCP wanted a well known artist and celebrity to test the new font so it's approval would be well known. They got Ray |
FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2006.02.27 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Testy Mctest
*bits*
However, waiting for a dev to pop in or answer a question about some things (where CAN I build a carrier, was a good example of how long it took to get an answer) is simply no better than now. Giving someone a GM contact to send mails to ("Where can we build carriers, so I can put it into the wiki") would speed things up and make it easier for all involved.
Yeah, but once a Dev had responded, or even the threads that enquired about it were responded to, it could be put into the Wiki.
Consider your sig tainted, and all your alcohol stolen - Wrangler
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Ben Zarba
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Posted - 2006.02.27 10:57:00 -
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An eve wiki manual sounds like an excellent solution to the problem to me. This would easily be updated as things in the game were tweaked, as they continously are in MMOs.
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Scarmaus
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Posted - 2006.02.27 11:22:00 -
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REAL manual for MMORPG is impossible
online manual is best way but have to update online manual every time.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.02.27 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Scarmaus
REAL manual for MMORPG is impossible
online manual is best way but have to update online manual every time.
Which is why a wiki is best
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2006.02.27 11:43:00 -
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Aye, in-depth official manual, please.
Wiki sounds xtra cool as long as it is Dev-backed (which is the whole point of an official manual)
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PreTender
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Posted - 2006.02.27 11:53:00 -
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i invite everyone to keep the eve-extra wiki updated :)
http://wiki.eve-extra.com
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kieron
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Posted - 2006.02.27 17:37:00 -
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Regarding the Wiki, the current (and subject to change) plan is to allow players to add and update entries, but the information won't be posted until someone from CCP/GM/ISD verifies the entry. There is still a lot to work out, including staffing, hosting, whether it will be tied into account management (or not) and a range of other decisions that need to be made.
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Glerin Ancatis
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Posted - 2006.02.27 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
Regarding the Wiki, the current (and subject to change) plan is to allow players to add and update entries, but the information won't be posted until someone from CCP/GM/ISD verifies the entry.
I would love to see this, kieron. I think it would attract those of us who are interested in running and maintaining our own wiki(s) -- I know I would certainly add and update content in an official place if one existed -- and would provide the player community with a valuable resource.
Originally by: kieron
There is still a lot to work out, including staffing, hosting, whether it will be tied into account management (or not) and a range of other decisions that need to be made.
I think it should be tied into account management for posting, personally, as that would prevent people from falsely attributing content to other people and characters by posing as them, especially when it came to falsifying content that the devs created. Maybe my fears are overblown or would be rendered moot by something you guys were planning with said wiki, though, so this may just be my paranoia.
Let us know if there's anything we can do to help!
Thanks,
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.02.28 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
Regarding the Wiki, the current (and subject to change) plan is to allow players to add and update entries, but the information won't be posted until someone from CCP/GM/ISD verifies the entry. There is still a lot to work out, including staffing, hosting, whether it will be tied into account management (or not) and a range of other decisions that need to be made.
You still haven't made mention of having anyone 'official' add entries or be made available to ask questions to, though - having players update the wiki is fine, but if the players simply don't know and can't find out the answer to a question, it's no good. Sure, eventually we'll find the answer, but eventual isn't good. How things work BEFORE a patch is deployed, or soon [note: not soon(tm)] after is what we really need, and a wiki won't help that with no official input.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2006.02.28 13:28:00 -
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wiki = win.
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Helison
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Posted - 2006.02.28 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
Regarding the Wiki, the current (and subject to change) plan is to allow players to add and update entries, but the information won't be posted until someone from CCP/GM/ISD verifies the entry. There is still a lot to work out, including staffing, hosting, whether it will be tied into account management (or not) and a range of other decisions that need to be made.
Please make sure, that the changes will be verified very fast. Otherwise it will be much better to release the info immediatly and only moderate it by CCP like other wikis are moderated. If it will be tied with account managment, there will be no big problems about harrassement.
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Deros
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Posted - 2006.02.28 13:45:00 -
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i actually flicked through the original manual i got with the game when i was at home for christmas, brought some old time memories back. also really showed the advances that has happened within the game, such as the skill trees ...
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Auman
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Posted - 2006.02.28 13:56:00 -
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Wiki is a nice idea but it's only ever going to be a best practice guide unless CCP document what they have added/changed and how it is supposed to work.
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Usul Faust
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Posted - 2006.02.28 14:18:00 -
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I think a full manual would tip Eve further in favour of the metagamers - the people who carefully calculate which combination of skills will maximise their combat/mining/forum whoring potential in the shortest period of time... The people that sell themselves t1 modules for billions to break regional average prices... The people who have 3 accounts which they run simultaniously, stripmining vast swarthes of space...
Obviously Eve is just a game, but back in the real world we aren't presented with a manual at birth* - knowledge is gained through a combination of teaching, trial & error and basic intuition.
no Eve manual imo.
*unless you're a religious type, i guess. but i couldn't care less, so lets not go there.
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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2006.02.28 14:30:00 -
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"The people that sell themselves t1 modules for billions to break regional average prices"
People really do that?
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Flash Landsraad
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Posted - 2006.02.28 15:10:00 -
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What's the bet that once it's finished it will be burned to a cd with an interatable splash screen with search functions and categories so you can have like an EVE: Online encylopedia for ú8.99 or something?
I'd definately buy it!
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superandy47
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Posted - 2006.02.28 17:08:00 -
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Free wiki is a great idea. Even after playing for a year, there are still aspects of the game about which I know very little.
There's a number of really good guides on these forums already which would make an excellent start to the wiki.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.02.28 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: FireFoxx80
"The people that sell themselves t1 modules for billions to break regional average prices"
People really do that?
Oh yes. 
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FireFoxx80
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Posted - 2006.03.03 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: FireFoxx80
"The people that sell themselves t1 modules for billions to break regional average prices"
People really do that?
Oh yes.
*keeps an eye on the local averages*
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Mr Popov
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Posted - 2006.04.09 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: FireFoxx80
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: FireFoxx80
"The people that sell themselves t1 modules for billions to break regional average prices"
People really do that?
Oh yes.
*keeps an eye on the local averages*
I miss the old (very old, pre-castor) market map that showed the price/volume history for specific systems and even specific stations in a system. That was nice.
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BlackHole Bob
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Posted - 2006.04.09 01:57:00 -
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Edited by: BlackHole Bob on 09/04/2006 02:02:10
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: JP Beauregard
The wiki concept has only one advantage. It doesn't cost CCP one grimy isk. And in the end, we'll all get exactly they pay for.
Wikipedia doesn't cost anything and is by far the best general resource on the entire internet.
Countless websites on the internet use their own wikis and are great resources. I don't see a single disadvantage of a Wiki.
A CCP-created guide would be constantly incomplete and out of date.
Heya Dark,
The point here is whos going to pay for keeping it running and good solid content and not a bunch of speculative content is more of the issue.
GOOD wiki's are seriously managed and such in various ways and reasons...
recently some not so factual content was released through a famous wiki...its in the news...recently..
wait till the community starts petitioninng ccp cause the player updated wiki managed by ccp said this...and that and now they want to say the wiki said so so i want my ship back
there are more issues at hand then other's doit so why shouldn't eve.
As for the ever evolving of eve and content being relevent...
Manual updates could coincide with updates and patch notes if they are accurate....
i do agree it is a mountian to surpass...but i must concur with JP on this one...its clear ccp is looking for a cost effective solution to support here...and it will be at the expense of the players...and thats business....
with all the new customers, support services are lacking more then ever....
petitions are still broke in game alot...que's are backed up weeks on end...documentation is failing in certain areas...not to mention players basically manage the help channel questions while volunteers police those players to do a good job...
free support only carries a game so far...although CCP does the best volunteer job ever done in MMO's that i know still have it...it still does not justify 110+ thousand accounts now...it was all good when 20k played....now its a different ballgame and playing catch up is not going to even come close to addressing service concerns within the community....
but then look at it this way....3rd party farmed out support has its drawbacks also...bigtime...
in the end solutions win and complaining about it all does nothing...
bring a better solution to the table...that solution will COST MONEY .... who knows maybe ccp has something big up thier sleeve here...
Blackhole Bob
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