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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.02.23 16:46:00 -
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OK, so we know there's lots of bugs and stuff that need fixing.
However, there's still a lot of stuff that lots of us, even experienced players, don't know about, don't understand, or don't see the effects of until its too late.
We NEED a comprehensive manual, that details those minor things in Eve that cause people major headaches, as well as all of the basics.
Most of these things can be found in the forums, but they take massive posts and dev responses to find out about. The game is crying out for a manual, especially with all these new players who will be getting involved in the more 'complex' sides of the game when their skillpoints hit a reasonable level soon.
I'm sure you could put together a team of players who'd be willing to do this *for free*. All they'd need is a well informed dev contact to ask questions of, and a very pretty, spangly, informative manual could be produced.
Please, CCP, give us a manual, or give us the tools to make one!
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Calderio
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Posted - 2006.02.23 16:57:00 -
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yes its called patch notes.
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Dimitri Chandler
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Posted - 2006.02.23 17:03:00 -
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Nah let the new players work it out. They have more guides and stuff than ever before.
Us vet types never had a proper manual or guides like they do nowadays.
If we had, I may have thought twice before putting all my attribute points into charisma on my first and main character.
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kieron
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Posted - 2006.02.23 17:04:00 -
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We are looking into diffeent areas for a living EVE manual, and the front runner so far is an EVE wiki hosted, managed and moderated by CCP. While this is in the early stages, it looks to be the most promising. More information will be posted as it becomes available.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online
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David Brent
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Posted - 2006.02.23 17:14:00 -
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OOOOOOH Nice.... Eve Wikki FTW 
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.02.23 17:26:00 -
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ftw indeed 
sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris
yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing
Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler
Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy
Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault
Stop spamming with "QFT" >:|. - Teblin
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.02.23 17:34:00 -
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Yum!
-------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
[04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw
[07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Stop whining about my signature - Wrangler
\o/ ~kieron
[\"] -Capsicum
<3 -eris
you wanted colours
now you have them :) -eris..again
Donuts and cAKe anyone? Jacques'
Nikolai can post twice as fast as me, and i'm uber -zhuge liang
Uhm, I'm new to this, does this work? *clickety* Oveur |
Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.02.23 17:37:00 -
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Wiki = win 
[23] Member: Official Forum Warrior
What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
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Nikolai Nuvolari
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Posted - 2006.02.23 17:39:00 -
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 Originally by: Dark Shikari
Wiki = win
Maybe it's a...EVE-WIN-KI!
Oh wait, wrong thread 
-------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk
[04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw
[07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Stop whining about my signature - Wrangler
\o/ ~kieron
[\"] -Capsicum
<3 -eris
you wanted colours
now you have them :) -eris..again
Donuts and cAKe anyone? Jacques'
Nikolai can post twice as fast as me, and i'm uber -zhuge liang
Uhm, I'm new to this, does this work? *clickety* Oveur |
JP Beauregard
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Posted - 2006.02.23 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
We are looking into diffeent areas for a living EVE manual, and the front runner so far is an EVE wiki hosted, managed and moderated by CCP. While this is in the early stages, it looks to be the most promising. More information will be posted as it becomes available.
I'm not about to suggest with a straight face that previous attempts at moderating user provided content have been an unqualified success. But I'm sure someone will want to argue that.
The wiki concept has only one advantage. It doesn't cost CCP one grimy isk. And in the end, we'll all get exactly they pay for.
JP Beauregard
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.02.23 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: JP Beauregard
The wiki concept has only one advantage. It doesn't cost CCP one grimy isk. And in the end, we'll all get exactly they pay for.
Wikipedia doesn't cost anything and is by far the best general resource on the entire internet.
Countless websites on the internet use their own wikis and are great resources. I don't see a single disadvantage of a Wiki.
A CCP-created guide would be constantly incomplete and out of date.
[23] Member: Official Forum Warrior
What's with the blue robots? Click my sig.
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2006.02.23 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: JP Beauregard
The wiki concept has only one advantage. It doesn't cost CCP one grimy isk. And in the end, we'll all get exactly they pay for.
Wikipedia doesn't cost anything and is by far the best general resource on the entire internet.
Countless websites on the internet use their own wikis and are great resources. I don't see a single disadvantage of a Wiki.
A CCP-created guide would be constantly incomplete and out of date.
not to mention ISD/CCP will moderate it, but they will NOT waste valuable development time on writing a manual, which lets be honest, we've done without for god knows how long
sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris
yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing
Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler
Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy
Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault
Stop spamming with "QFT" >:|. - Teblin
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madhapee
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Posted - 2006.02.23 17:51:00 -
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yes a good manual is way overdue
The patch notes are a horrible way of finding information as searches are not possible.
Just last week I wanted to read about dreads and had to spit through many many forum pages (which could be inaccurate) to understand how they kinda work.
Even the item database is often not comprehensive.
Things as "siege mode" I have no clue how it works and what it does. Why not write itin a manual?
come on eve , you guys are 99% great, go 100% make a manual
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.02.23 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Testy Mctest
stuff
stop nicking my ideas 
oh, and /signed
Originally by: Zzazzt
Originally by: thoth foc
PA doesnt stand for anything..
Punchbag Alliance...
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Hohenheim OfLight
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Posted - 2006.02.23 18:14:00 -
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I know what you mena with half the corp roels one wounders if you giving away the family silver just so some on can see the corp hanger, sometimes.
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Leomund Sardis
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Posted - 2006.02.23 18:22:00 -
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An EVE Wiki sounds like a good idea. However, I like to have a portable copy for reading in rooms that don't have internet access.
 Would it be possible for CCP or perhaps a knowledgeable person to collect essential wiki data into a single .pdf? I know that things like this become obsolete over time, but something like a pdf of wiki essentials wouldn't need to be updated except after major patches, i.e., RMR and Kali.
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2006.02.23 18:24:00 -
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Have fun keeping it up to date
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Jesuax
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Posted - 2006.02.23 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
We are looking into diffeent areas for a living EVE manual, and the front runner so far is an EVE wiki hosted, managed and moderated by CCP. While this is in the early stages, it looks to be the most promising. More information will be posted as it becomes available.
I like this idea. Toss in a "search" tool for this forum, as well :)
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Eternal Fury
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Posted - 2006.02.23 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jesuax
Originally by: kieron
We are looking into diffeent areas for a living EVE manual, and the front runner so far is an EVE wiki hosted, managed and moderated by CCP. While this is in the early stages, it looks to be the most promising. More information will be posted as it becomes available.
I like this idea. Toss in a "search" tool for this forum, as well :)
There is one one now.. Not that good though. I still use the one in my Sig.
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Q: Wheres the Search button on the forums?
A: There isn't one. go here. www.eve-search.com
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Kane Ululani
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Posted - 2006.02.24 01:38:00 -
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This will only be an excessive nerf of the dev's fun. To think that this may never happen;
Oveur > XXXXXX Alliance is taking their titan into action for the first time!
Tomb > Sweet!
Oveur > Oops, he "doomed" his fleet.
Tomb > lawl
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Vlad Morrolan
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Posted - 2006.02.24 02:04:00 -
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I'd like to see a printed manual for the basic system, like the things the tutorial takes you through. Ship fitting, module activation, targeting, navigation, etc, etc. Something a few pages long and in PDF format, that we could print out and give to people who're interested. The biggest issue I've run into in getting people interested is that there's no real way to show people how different the gameplay is from flight-sim style. It'd be nice to give them some idea of what they're getting into. Perhaps put the basics of market activity, as well as how the manufacturing/labs system works too. A written index of stacking formulas, etc, would be nice too.
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Neon Genesis
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Posted - 2006.02.24 02:06:00 -
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Not really needed, why give new people a manuel of what's going on when we didn'd ever know?
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GouldFish
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Posted - 2006.02.24 13:11:00 -
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Noooooooooooooo wiki's FTL!
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Garia666
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Posted - 2006.02.24 13:23:00 -
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Edited by: Garia666 on 24/02/2006 13:23:26
i got one when i bought the CD
Mabe someone can scan it and post it somewhere
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2006.02.24 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: GouldFish
Noooooooooooooo wiki's FTL!
No, Wikis 4TW!
[23] Member: Official Forum Warrior
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Edward Sarum
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Posted - 2006.02.24 13:44:00 -
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I would suggest a 3 ring binder approach. This will rpovide a nice hard book in our ahnds, something amny of us want and it is easy to update. When patches or updates create changes the changed pages are published in PDF format for the players to download and replace the appropriated pages in the binder.
This allows us to enjoy an actual hard copy of the manual while still allowing ease of udating.
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Inquisitor Edward Sarum
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Wokrred
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Posted - 2006.02.24 13:58:00 -
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The last PDF manual I have is from Exodus deployment. Whould like to see another one done. Took a look at the last page and wrangler's name is on it.
The PDF is 11.4 MB
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GouldFish
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Posted - 2006.02.24 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: GouldFish
Noooooooooooooo wiki's FTL!
No, Wikis 4TW!
So far every site I've visited that been built on wiki has sucked badly due to how wiki is. and Don't get me started on the abonination that is wikipia.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.02.24 14:21:00 -
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A good start would be to adjust the skill and module descriptions to show what the stuff is doing.
Then updating the player guide so it somewhat resembles EVE would be a good second step.
Using the Icelandic saga, err, patch notes for game info ...
I have a copy of Grim's MSrchen from 1917(iirc), if you need exact info on EVE.
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Megadon
CCP wanted a well known artist and celebrity to test the new font so it's approval would be well known. They got Ray |
DJTheBaron
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Posted - 2006.02.24 14:46:00 -
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i'd like one on using scan probes, i cna use the scanner and getto probe within 1au, i have astrometrics 5 and cant seem to probe anything once i find it with the satelite probe
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