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Aebe Amraen
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
14
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Posted - 2013.11.23 16:07:00 -
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Those loyal to the Gallente Empire would have us believe that they stand on the side of freedom, peace, and justice. They choose to ignore the catastrophe at Malkalen, pretending it never happened--or, in some cases, spread conspiracy theories suggesting it was either an inside job or the work of a rogue capsuleer impersonating Noir; absurd claims with no evidence to back them up.
Malkalen shows the true nature of the Gallentean government--this nominally democratic empire is in fact controlled by military industries who will stop at nothing to ensure a market for their weapons of war. How much has Jacus Roden profited from this war he started?
The memory of that day burns forever in the minds of all those who love truth, who love justice, who love peace. Remember Malkalen! |

Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2428
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Posted - 2013.11.23 17:31:00 -
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We do. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |

Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
2434
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Posted - 2013.11.23 17:38:00 -
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Ironic. If it's not a conspiracy theory about impersonation and inside jobs, it's a conspiracy theory about Jacus Roden profiting from the destruction.
Guess no matter what you do, there's always going to be a conspiracy. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Aebe Amraen
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
15
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Posted - 2013.11.23 17:41:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Ironic. If it's not a conspiracy theory about impersonation and inside jobs, it's a conspiracy theory about Jacus Roden profiting from the destruction.
Guess no matter what you do, there's always going to be a conspiracy.
I don't think there can be any doubt that Jacus Roden profits from the increased demand for Roden Shipyards warships. |

James Syagrius
The Philalethes Society
608
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Posted - 2013.11.23 17:52:00 -
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Aebe Amraen wrote:Stitcher wrote:Ironic. If it's not a conspiracy theory about impersonation and inside jobs, it's a conspiracy theory about Jacus Roden profiting from the destruction.
Guess no matter what you do, there's always going to be a conspiracy. I don't think there can be any doubt that Jacus Roden profits from the increased demand for Roden Shipyards warships. Perhaps not but considering your opening statement I doubt that what your after is GÇ£peaceGÇ¥. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
http://syagrius-eve.blogspot.com/
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Vikarion
State Trade Consortium
688
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Posted - 2013.11.23 17:56:00 -
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James Syagrius wrote:I don't think there can be any doubt that Jacus Roden profits from the increased demand for Roden Shipyards warships. Perhaps not but considering your opening statement I doubt that what your after is GÇ£peaceGÇ¥. [/quote]
Even the most peace-oriented Caldari loathe Roden. In fact, you can find quite a few Gallente capsuleers who aren't sure whether the Caldari or Roden are worse.
And, indeed, Roden might be worse. The CEP is not, by and large, interested in destroying the Federation as an entity. But Roden can change it from within, without a fight, into something that is unrecognizable. |

Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
2436
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Posted - 2013.11.23 18:06:00 -
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Aebe Amraen wrote:I don't think there can be any doubt that Jacus Roden profits from the increased demand for Roden Shipyards warships.
So have I. I've built and sold Roden ships - you can make good money of Ares and Oneiros-classes. Clearly, I'm a co-conspirator and should be arrested for treason. Oh, and arrest Lai Dai and Kaalakiota while you're at it: Both have profited from the increased demand for their warships, exactly as Roden shipyards have done. Clearly they're in on it.
An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2429
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Posted - 2013.11.23 18:12:00 -
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It's not difficult to see a conflict of interests regarding Roden.
He's quite possibly one of the few men in the Federation who has the power to end the war, and he's also one of the few men in the Federation directly and so lucratively profiting from it.
Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |

Aebe Amraen
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
15
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Posted - 2013.11.23 18:13:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Aebe Amraen wrote:I don't think there can be any doubt that Jacus Roden profits from the increased demand for Roden Shipyards warships. So have I. I've built and sold Roden ships - you can make good money of Ares and Oneiros-classes. Clearly, I'm a co-conspirator and should be arrested for treason. Oh, and arrest Lai Dai and Kaalakiota while you're at it: Both have profited from the increased demand for their warships, exactly as Roden shipyards have done. Clearly they're in on it.
I would remind you that it was a Gallente supercarrier, not a Caldari one, under the command of a Gallente general, not a Caldari one, which took the lives of hundreds of thousands of civilians at Malkalen.
Your response is sadly typical of Gallentean apologists who choose to ignore the tragedy and vilify the Caldari state. So typical, in fact, that I predicted it in my original post. Thank you for demonstrating my point for me. |

James Syagrius
The Philalethes Society
615
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Posted - 2013.11.23 18:24:00 -
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I am continually amazed at the undeserved vitriol directed at our good President.
He has done nothing but strengthen our Federal Union from its internal and external foes.
Please enumerate for me his offences that lead you to your very conspiratorial conclusions regarding his intentions.
Perhaps however itGÇÖs simply that our friends in the State are unsettled by the thought of an effective Executive in the Federation capable of dealing in kind with State duplicity. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
http://syagrius-eve.blogspot.com/
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Andreus Ixiris
Duty. The Cursed Few
3777
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Posted - 2013.11.23 18:30:00 -
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Aebe Amraen wrote:I would remind you that it was a Gallente supercarrier, not a Caldari one, under the command of a Gallente general, not a Caldari one, which took the lives of hundreds of thousands of civilians at Malkalen.
Your response is sadly typical of Gallentean apologists who choose to ignore the tragedy and vilify the Caldari state. So typical, in fact, that I predicted it in my original post. Thank you for demonstrating my point for me. I would remind you that it was a Caldari fleet, not a Gallente one, under the command of a Caldari admiral, not a Gallente one, which took the lives of hundreds of thousands of civilians on Gallente Prime.
Your response is sadly typical of Caldari apologists who choose to ignore the tragedy and vilify the Gallente Federation. So typical. Mane 614
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
2438
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Posted - 2013.11.23 18:34:00 -
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oh please. I'm neither glorifying the Federation nor vilifying the State - I'm simply calling you a moron whose sad attempt at overcompensating for his ethnicity in a show of patriotic zeal isn't fooling anybody with a working brain.
The State can survive on its own merits without idiots like you making an excess of nationalistic noise. We don't NEED another Diana Kim, the one we already have is doing enough damage to the credibility of our people.
Jacus Roden is a powerful person, and the head of state of a foreign power with whom we have an antagonistic relationship. Fine. That fact is not sufficient evidence to accuse him of being involved in Malkalen. There is NO evidence linking him with it, none. And your paranoid ravings just wind up making the State look like a haven for witless zealots who couldn't find a rational argument with three years and a guide.
I'm not defending Jacus Roden, I'm defending the State from cracked cases like you by trying to show that we're not all of us completely dense. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
348
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Posted - 2013.11.23 19:39:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Aebe Amraen wrote:I would remind you that it was a Gallente supercarrier, not a Caldari one, under the command of a Gallente general, not a Caldari one, which took the lives of hundreds of thousands of civilians at Malkalen.
Your response is sadly typical of Gallentean apologists who choose to ignore the tragedy and vilify the Caldari state. So typical, in fact, that I predicted it in my original post. Thank you for demonstrating my point for me. I would remind you that it was a Caldari fleet, not a Gallente one, under the command of a Caldari admiral, not a Gallente one, which took the lives of hundreds of thousands of civilians on Gallente Prime. Your response is sadly typical of Caldari apologists who choose to ignore the tragedy and vilify the Gallente Federation. So typical.
And you seem to be a typical Gallente apologist to me, failing to see that the Gallente Federation makes faults.
The Caldari State isn't perfect, and we know this. But this knowledge strengthens us, as it inspires us to improve. We ousted Heth because he diverged from the Caldari ideal and became too focused on the destruction of the federation at all costs. With his removal, we lessened our imperfection, improving the State to a better organisation. It's time for the Gallente to look at themselves and improve themselves from within. Marooned in Space Latest Top Newsfeed: Concord clears Jita Local comms! |

Aebe Amraen
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
16
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Posted - 2013.11.23 20:27:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:I'm not defending Jacus Roden, I'm defending the State from cracked cases like you by trying to show that we're not all of us completely dense.
I'm not at all sure the State needs or wants defense from someone whose combat record consists entirely of attacking Caldari State officials.
Your words carry little weight, my traitorous friend. |

Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
2440
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Posted - 2013.11.23 20:38:00 -
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I wasn't aware that Templis Dragonaurs, Guristas, True slaves, and an assortment of independent capsuleers could be considered "State officials".
Well, except for Pouriainen Uetartoshin. That was a blue-on-blue brought about by a confusing combat situation which led me, and many others, to mistake him for a Dragonaur. I reached an appropriate settlement with the Peace and Order Unit out of court and my standing with them has suffered no permanent harm. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Cheng Sawal
Rapid Salvage Unit
0
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Posted - 2013.11.23 21:38:00 -
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There is no doubt Mister Roden benefits greatly from his position and from the war. It's traditional for politicians to milk the system for all its worth after all. As for his industry benefiting from his service to the nation, .. well, he is almost Caldari in that accomplishment. Whether those of us in the State should be concerned or smug about that is up in the air. |

Andreus Ixiris
Duty. The Cursed Few
3777
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Posted - 2013.11.23 21:44:00 -
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I'd like to point out the irony of a Gallentean member of TEST admonishing anyone about pride in or loyalty to any nation, given that for the longest time every single communique from TEST members posting on the IGS was "hurr, the Empires suck! We'll never, ever need them!" That was, until TEST got ran out of nullsec on a rail and decided that no, they actually did need the protection of the Caldari State, and expect everyone on the IGS to forget that they were some of the same people shooting at the Caldari fleet during Operation Spectre.
Besides, the "frothing, lunatic Caldari with no understanding of reality" post has long been filled. If TEST wanted to jump on a bandwagon, they could at least have picked one with a future. Mane 614
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
2372
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Posted - 2013.11.23 22:54:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:I wasn't aware that Templis Dragonaurs, Guristas, True slaves, and an assortment of independent capsuleers could be considered "State officials".
Well, except for Pouriainen Uetartoshin. That was a blue-on-blue brought about by a confusing combat situation which led me, and many others, to mistake him for a Dragonaur. I reached an appropriate settlement with the Peace and Order Unit out of court and my standing with them has suffered no permanent harm.
I can confirm that Hakaatain-haan flew in support of the Caldari State and the CEP in several large engagements earlier this year. |

Andreus Ixiris
Duty. The Cursed Few
3782
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Posted - 2013.11.23 23:15:00 -
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Protip - if you're a Provist demagogue and you're trying to rile up Caldari loyalists, there's one thing you never do. One tactic you don't try, if you want to have any hope of being taken seriously, if you want any chance of getting your point across, if you want to maintain any shred of credibility.
Don't call Verin a traitor to the Caldari State.
I'm not neccessarily saying that correlation implies causation, but every single person who's ever tried that has ended up as an IGS laughing stock, and I'm not sure that's a coincidence. Mane 614
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Erys Charantes
University of Caille Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2013.11.23 23:29:00 -
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Aebe Amraen wrote:Those loyal to the Gallente Empire would have us believe that they stand on the side of freedom, peace, and justice. They choose to ignore the catastrophe at Malkalen, pretending it never happened--or, in some cases, spread conspiracy theories suggesting it was either an inside job or the work of a rogue capsuleer impersonating Noir; absurd claims with no evidence to back them up. Malkalen shows the true nature of the Gallentean government--this nominally democratic empire is in fact controlled by military industries who will stop at nothing to ensure a market for their weapons of war. How much has Jacus Roden profited from this war he started? The memory of that day burns forever in the minds of all those who love truth, who love justice, who love peace. Remember Malkalen! I'll never be able to forget Malkalen. Indelibly etched, you might say. I'm not going to bother explaining what my link to that activity is, since everyone who matters knows, and anyone who doesn't can work it out from my really available public information if they have half a brain. In case you haven't noticed, we already have a war over this, and those who care, remember. We don't need some nullsec reject using it for his own dreary little reasons.
You want to respect Malkalen? Arrange a ceremony to honor the dead or commemorate the day itself. Those of us who lived through it are pretty tired of having it trotted out every time some "born again" anti-Federalist/anti-Stateist/rabble rouser needs a convenient soap box. |

Vikarion
State Trade Consortium
690
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Posted - 2013.11.23 23:34:00 -
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Aebe Amraen wrote:Stitcher wrote:I'm not defending Jacus Roden, I'm defending the State from cracked cases like you by trying to show that we're not all of us completely dense. I'm not at all sure the State needs or wants defense from someone whose combat record consists entirely of attacking Caldari State officials. Your words carry little weight, my traitorous friend.
I dislike many of Mr. Hakatain's affiliations and choices, but he has fought in the Protectorate, and so far as I am aware, never directly opposed the State. Just because we disagree with someone, does not make them a traitor to the State.
Remember: I against my brother. My brother and I against our family. Our family against the corporation. Our corporation against all corporations. All of the State against all others.
I sympathize with the view that Roden is an ultranationalist nutjob, and my personal opinion is that the Gallente were either directly responsibly or incredibly criminally negligent in regards to Malkalen, but it must be remembered that we Caldari, have a responsibility to seek proof over emotional reaction. We do not burn people alive in front of crowds, and when we do have bad leaders, we depose them.
What can be said, with ease, is that Roden has been tenuously linked by news reports to Gallente Ultranationalist and racial purity movements in the past, and has a great financial interest in the continuation of the current conflict.
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Natalcya Katla
Naqam Shaktipat Revelators
139
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Posted - 2013.11.24 00:14:00 -
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Aebe Amraen wrote:Remember Malkalen!
I remember Malkalen. I remember the twisted metal, the smoke, the wounded as they were dragged out of the wreckage to be evacuated onboard the hastily assembled fleet piloted by capsuleers from every corner of New Eden. I remember Stitcher and others like him, equal parts stupid and brave as they left their capsules to personally lead search parties into the ruined station. I remember the horror we all felt as we realized the sheer magnitude of the disaster. I remember the sharp spikes of hope and elation each time a new pocket of survivors, or even just a single one, was found. Most of all, I remember the unity. That single day of unified purpose.
But I don't remember you. Where were you on that day, Captain? |

Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
2462
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Posted - 2013.11.24 01:01:00 -
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Natalcya Katla wrote:Aebe Amraen wrote:Remember Malkalen! I remember Malkalen. I remember the twisted metal, the smoke, the wounded as they were dragged out of the wreckage to be evacuated onboard the hastily assembled fleet piloted by capsuleers from every corner of New Eden. I remember Stitcher and others like him, equal parts stupid and brave as they left their capsules to personally lead search parties into the ruined station. I remember the horror we all felt as we realized the sheer magnitude of the disaster. I remember the sharp spikes of hope and elation each time a new pocket of survivors, or even just a single one, was found. Most of all, I remember the unity. That single day of unified purpose.
I remember a baby, a boy. Three, four weeks old. His parents had managed to stuff him in a safety case and power up the seals - literally the last thing they ever did. Their apartment had breached, vented - they died in each others' arms. They must have literally only just finished sealing the kid in when the Wandering Saint hit - frankly, given how little warning there was, they acted with commendable speed to even be able to save him.
That kid's five years old now. Being raised in a corporate creche in Korama. He's a normal, happy, healthy boy: He doesn't grieve for the parents he never knew. Has a Sela Sentinels lunchbox.
I did a lot that day. Technically broke the law by practicing surgery without a license, but I doubt any of my patients complained.
I'm as angry as anybody else over Malkalen. But my determination is that it should never happen again. And the way we're going to do that is by understanding that whatever happened, it probably WASN'T the Federation's fault - they didn't stand to gain anything from it. All that can be achieved by continuing to antagonise them is to perpetuate the same festering anger that killed that boy's parents in the first place.
I don't buy that Noir just "snapped" but I've gone over the arguments why I don't accept that explanation a great many times, and I offer no alternative explanation. I don't know if I will ever be privy to the secrets of that day - but wild speculation ahead of the facts can only serve to do harm by increasing the risk that it might, someday, happen again.
I would go a very, very long way to never again have to carry a wailing infant's lifebox away from his mother's body. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Aebe Amraen
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
16
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Posted - 2013.11.24 03:47:00 -
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I apologize to Verin for my accusations. When I first called up his combat record my data connection must have failed; I only received listings going back 8 months, giving a very incomplete picture of his history.
Andreus Ixiris wrote: That was, until TEST got ran out of nullsec on a rail and decided that no, they actually did need the protection of the Caldari State
Need the protection of the Caldari state? Hardly. We identified a mutually beneficial opportunity where we help the State fight their war and in exchange they make us enormously wealthy. We made it clear when we signed up to fight that, as a group, we are in it only for the money. Most of us would as happily fight for any other group, empire or otherwise, which would pay us as well--it happens to be the case that the empires are currently the ones offering absurd levels of pay for very little effort, and the State was the one most willing to do business with us.
There are exceptions, of course--me being one. The decay of the individual freedoms which the Federation points to as signs of their superiority began under Foiritan and has only accelerated under Roden. The manner in which Roden and his military allies from government and industry forced out Foiritan was more of a military coup--albeit popularly accepted--than orderly democracy. The Federation has fallen far from its ideals, and I can no longer support it. In fact, I feel that the Federation in its current state poses a real threat to the stability of the cluster--Roden and his cronies will make war with anyone convenient as long as they can continue to transfer wealth from taxpayers to themselves. |

Andreus Ixiris
Duty. The Cursed Few
3786
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Posted - 2013.11.24 03:52:00 -
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What you meant to say is "this is the best job we could find after GoonWaffe stole all our space that didn't involve literal prostitution." Mane 614
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Aebe Amraen
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
16
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Posted - 2013.11.24 04:09:00 -
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Way better job than killing rats in nullsec, actually. Less effort and 3x better pay. |

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
1613
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Posted - 2013.11.24 18:44:00 -
[27] - Quote
Aebe Amraen wrote:Those loyal to the Gallente Empire ...
Whoa ... Gallente Empire? Empire?

I go on vacation for a couple of months and seem what I miss? When did this happen? Nullsec in a Nutshell: http://nedroid.com/comics/2006-08-24-2155-arrrdino.gif |

Vikarion
State Trade Consortium
690
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Posted - 2013.11.24 20:13:00 -
[28] - Quote
Katran Luftschreck wrote:Aebe Amraen wrote:Those loyal to the Gallente Empire ... Whoa ... Gallente Empire? Empire? I go on vacation for a couple of months and seem what I miss? When did this happen? Colloquial use. The four major nation-states are often known as "the empires", just as the criminal factions are often known as pirates, even though one is a dystopian failed state, one is a drug cartel, one is an organized crime syndicate, another is a strange religious cult, and yet another truly are just pirates. |

Dangirdas Bachir
Monstrosity Inc
510
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Posted - 2013.11.25 07:28:00 -
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Oh please, just because of one incident you're now going to judge all Gallente Federation? EVE EVE STARGALACTIC CITY B I T C H |

Nicole Graves
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
30
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Posted - 2013.11.25 11:14:00 -
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Dangirdas Bachir wrote:Oh please, just because of one incident you're now going to judge all Gallente Federation?
What, you want the whole list? There are character limits to these posts you know! |

Dangirdas Bachir
Monstrosity Inc
516
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Posted - 2013.11.25 12:39:00 -
[31] - Quote
Nicole Graves wrote:Dangirdas Bachir wrote:Oh please, just because of one incident you're now going to judge all Gallente Federation? What, you want the whole list? There are character limits to these posts you know! Please give me the list within the character limit. Just please I want to see it. EVE EVE STARGALACTIC CITY B I T C H |

Naomi Tichim
Lost Star Expeditions
38
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Posted - 2013.11.25 13:59:00 -
[32] - Quote
I didn't actually hear about Malkalen until quite some time after the fact, but I personally find the idea that Noir was acting on behalf of the Gallente government absurd. Most likely, Noir was an agent for some other power. Tibus Heth is the first one that comes to mind (aside from sending tensions through the roof, it also took Garuishi out of the way), but there are any number of factions which would benefit from seeing the Caldari and Gallente at war.
It's also possible that Noir was acting alone. If so, he may have just been crazy. But one rather plausible idea I heard is that Noir had a secret clone hidden away somewhere. Far from being a tool, he may have been the mastermind.
Eh. The fact is that this war has cost far too many lives. |

James Syagrius
The Philalethes Society
616
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Posted - 2013.11.26 00:07:00 -
[33] - Quote
Stitcher wrote:Natalcya Katla wrote:Aebe Amraen wrote:Remember Malkalen! I remember Malkalen. I remember the twisted metal, the smoke, the wounded as they were dragged out of the wreckage to be evacuated onboard the hastily assembled fleet piloted by capsuleers from every corner of New Eden. I remember Stitcher and others like him, equal parts stupid and brave as they left their capsules to personally lead search parties into the ruined station. I remember the horror we all felt as we realized the sheer magnitude of the disaster. I remember the sharp spikes of hope and elation each time a new pocket of survivors, or even just a single one, was found. Most of all, I remember the unity. That single day of unified purpose. I remember a baby, a boy. Three, four weeks old. His parents had managed to stuff him in a safety case and power up the seals - literally the last thing they ever did. Their apartment had breached, vented - they died in each others' arms. They must have literally only just finished sealing the kid in when the Wandering Saint hit - frankly, given how little warning there was, they acted with commendable speed to even be able to save him. That kid's five years old now. Being raised in a corporate creche in Korama. He's a normal, happy, healthy boy: He doesn't grieve for the parents he never knew. Has a Sela Sentinels lunchbox. I did a lot that day. Technically broke the law by practicing surgery without a license, but I doubt any of my patients complained. I'm as angry as anybody else over Malkalen. But my determination is that it should never happen again. And the way we're going to do that is by understanding that whatever happened, it probably WASN'T the Federation's fault - they didn't stand to gain anything from it. All that can be achieved by continuing to antagonise them is to perpetuate the same festering anger that killed that boy's parents in the first place. I don't buy that Noir just "snapped" but I've gone over the arguments why I don't accept that explanation a great many times, and I offer no alternative explanation. I don't know if I will ever be privy to the secrets of that day - but wild speculation ahead of the facts can only serve to do harm by increasing the risk that it might, someday, happen again. I would go a very, very long way to never again have to carry a wailing infant's lifebox away from his mother's body. Sometimes we forget the price paid by those most helpless.
Thank you for reminding us that great tragedy's are experienced individually. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
http://syagrius-eve.blogspot.com/
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Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Cult of War
1641
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Posted - 2013.11.26 00:21:00 -
[34] - Quote
Aebe Amraen wrote:Stitcher wrote:Ironic. If it's not a conspiracy theory about impersonation and inside jobs, it's a conspiracy theory about Jacus Roden profiting from the destruction.
Guess no matter what you do, there's always going to be a conspiracy. I don't think there can be any doubt that Jacus Roden profits from the increased demand for Roden Shipyards warships.
And there's no doubt that the megacorps such as Ishukone and Kaalakoita profit from the increase demand for their warships.
Quite frankly, we have enough of you blind and biased fanatics on the IGS as it is. Not only from the State but from all factions. With this attitude, don't expect to be taken seriously, even by your own countrymen. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |

Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Cult of War
1641
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Posted - 2013.11.26 00:31:00 -
[35] - Quote
On the topic of Roden, he's the only President within my lifetime that made me doubt the Federation. That made me doubt our ideals. That made me doubt our goals for the future.
Is he as bad as Heth? No, but I fear that if put in a similar position, he would be even worse. The only thing holding Roden back is the Senate and the Supreme Court. If he can get their support or work around them, then we're going to have a major mess on our hands.
Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |

Constantin Baracca
276
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Posted - 2013.11.26 03:55:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:On the topic of Roden, he's the only President within my lifetime that made me doubt the Federation. That made me doubt our ideals. That made me doubt our goals for the future.
Is he as bad as Heth? No, but I fear that if put in a similar position, he would be even worse. The only thing holding Roden back is the Senate and the Supreme Court. If he can get their support or work around them, then we're going to have a major mess on our hands.
I suppose it's true what they say about political power and the barrels of guns. What our four empires seem to have in common is that we seem to grant political power to the best armed of our options. "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
-Matthew 16:26 |

Fredfredbug4
Eve Defence Force Cult of War
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Posted - 2013.11.26 04:08:00 -
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Constantin Baracca wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:On the topic of Roden, he's the only President within my lifetime that made me doubt the Federation. That made me doubt our ideals. That made me doubt our goals for the future.
Is he as bad as Heth? No, but I fear that if put in a similar position, he would be even worse. The only thing holding Roden back is the Senate and the Supreme Court. If he can get their support or work around them, then we're going to have a major mess on our hands.
I suppose it's true what they say about political power and the barrels of guns. What our four empires seem to have in common is that we seem to grant political power to the best armed of our options.
To be as fair to Roden as possible, he was elected during a time of war. We needed a military leader and we elected one. The problem is that instead of voting for someone who would win us the war, we got someone who would draw it out as long as he could. Watch Fred Fred Frederation and stop cryptozoologist! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it! |

Constantin Baracca
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Posted - 2013.11.26 04:23:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:Constantin Baracca wrote:Fredfredbug4 wrote:On the topic of Roden, he's the only President within my lifetime that made me doubt the Federation. That made me doubt our ideals. That made me doubt our goals for the future.
Is he as bad as Heth? No, but I fear that if put in a similar position, he would be even worse. The only thing holding Roden back is the Senate and the Supreme Court. If he can get their support or work around them, then we're going to have a major mess on our hands.
I suppose it's true what they say about political power and the barrels of guns. What our four empires seem to have in common is that we seem to grant political power to the best armed of our options. To be as fair to Roden as possible, he was elected during a time of war. We needed a military leader and we elected one. The problem is that instead of voting for someone who would win us the war, we got someone who would draw it out as long as he could.
It is a bit of a self-fulfilling cycle. Military leaders, especially in democracies, don't have much incentive to win wars as much as fight them forever. After all, he was elected because a war was going on, not necessarily because he thought he could successfully negotiate between freighter unions and local governments over issues of warp-wake.
At the very least, if your people realize it, they do have the ability to get rid of him and elect in a new direction sooner rather than later. I suppose the question is if he can make your people more afraid of the cluster outside than disappointed with the amount of resources he dedicates to that pursuit. I think we might all seriously reconsider warfare among ourselves if we tally up the costs associated with fighting it.
It's hard to elect the sort of people who can wind down a war, though, especially since you need a pair of them on opposite sides to do it. "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
-Matthew 16:26 |

Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.11.26 06:09:00 -
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What's all this reference to Roden as a "Military Leader?" Militant, perhaps... but Arms Manufacturing Tycoon has never been a rank in any branch of the Federated Union Armed Forces that I'm familiar with. Did I skip a few chapters of his biography or something?
Roden's agenda for coming to power was predicated upon protecting the rights of the Gallente Corporate class more than anything. Not something I particularly disagree with, nor would most Caldari disagree either were their own leaders to take similar action. Sure, Roden has vigorously prosecuted the War, but did we have any choice? Do we now? The Gallente have offered peace repeatedly. Even now the State Protectorate and its Capsuleer militiamen prosecute another major offensive. When will we hear their leaders offer peace? |

Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
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Posted - 2013.11.26 06:36:00 -
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I must have missed those constant offers of peace, Rinai. In fact the last offer of peace was proffered by Ishukone, as I remember, although sadly it didn't include the end of the CEWPA agreement.
I do remember your boss repudiating my attempt to broker a more civilised conduct to the war, though. |

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
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Posted - 2013.11.26 08:48:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:On the topic of Roden, he's the only President within my lifetime that made me doubt the Federation. That made me doubt our ideals. That made me doubt our goals for the future.
Actually, continued warfare under CEWPA might be said not to be in the interest of Kaalakiota, Wiyrkomi, and Lai Dai who remain the industrial and military-industrial backbone of the Caldari State so long as assets in Black Rise remain open to destruction and corporate citizens face persecution by Federal occupying forces under the orders of Generalissimo Roden and his right-hand man Blaque.
This is a war of defense of Caldari lands and people against the continued Imperialist aggression of the Federation that has no stake or interest in a reasonable resolution to the present conflict. |

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
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Posted - 2013.11.26 23:44:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:To be as fair to Roden as possible, he was elected during a time of war. We needed a military leader and we elected one. The problem is that instead of voting for someone who would win us the war, we got someone who would draw it out as long as he could.
It's almost as if he had major investments in the armaments industry or something, y'know?
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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.11.27 02:47:00 -
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Ayup. Unfortunate that your offer coincided with other State Protectorate forces mobilizing in Enaluri for a major offensive against FDU forces in Nennamalia.
Truly, I was thoroughly disappointed by the entire course of events. |

Constantin Baracca
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Posted - 2013.11.27 02:52:00 -
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You know what they say, the best laid plans of mice and men are sponsored by Turketo Arms Ltd. "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
-Matthew 16:26 |

Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.11.27 04:21:00 -
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The past is important, not not more so than the present.
And presently, there are good reasons to hate the Federation.
I still remember my time as a baseline, serving on board a Navy Rokh. The rescue mission that we conducted within our own space, to free our own people, from a Gallentian detention facility. Some of whom were my old shipmates and friends. That day gave me a good number of reasons to hate the Federation. |
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