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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.11.26 06:52:00 -
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I presume the point of this is to make it possible to gank Hisec carebears in NPC corps without Concorde repercussions.
Why do you need it? Genuine PvP in Losec too dangerous for you ??
Regardless ... people that run around ganking carebears cos it safe are just another form of carebear themselves :D |
Prince Kobol
1190
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Posted - 2013.11.26 07:38:00 -
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How about CCP actually do something about Sov Mechanics considering they haven't been touched since Dominions half arsed scaled back release in 2009.
Maybe change something so it that it doesn't involve bashing a structure at a certain date + time so the entire of Eve know when to show up if they choose to.
I know.. a wild and crazy idea
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Dangirdas Bachir
The Scope Gallente Federation
602
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Posted - 2013.11.26 07:38:00 -
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This has to be a joke, if you don't have the comprehension to realise that EVE is already running on a super computer, you don't deserve to play this game. Also rewrite the whole code to EVE? That would take more time then it would benefit from multi threading. EVE EVE STARGALACTIC CITY B I T C H |
Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2013.11.26 07:43:00 -
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Dangirdas Bachir wrote:This has to be a joke, if you don't have the comprehension to realise that EVE is already running on a super computer, you don't deserve to play this game. Also rewrite the whole code to EVE? That would take more time then it would benefit from multi threading.
Problem with a code re-write.. since CCP didn't exactly do a steller job first time round, why do you think they would do a great job second time round? |
Ulviirala Vauryndar
Vauryndar Dalharil
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Posted - 2013.11.26 08:10:00 -
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To Be Me wrote:Then threy should start a kicjstart to completely rewrite the entire code\game as someone else is saying in order to benefit from multithread...
"How hard can it be?Gäó"
Please stop posting.
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GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
434
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Posted - 2013.11.26 09:00:00 -
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Nope, because supercomputers aren't single computers nowadays, for one thing - they're just huge banks of smaller computers with some pretty goddamn clever task scheduling, made specifically for tasks that are extremely good at being parallelized. EVE combat is not one of those tasks.
And as a couple of people have mentioned, by quite a few measures the current EVE cluster would probably count as a (no slight intended to CCP network engineering guys) smallish ad-hoc supercomputer. |
Dangirdas Bachir
The Scope Gallente Federation
603
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Posted - 2013.11.26 09:01:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Dangirdas Bachir wrote:This has to be a joke, if you don't have the comprehension to realise that EVE is already running on a super computer, you don't deserve to play this game. Also rewrite the whole code to EVE? That would take more time then it would benefit from multi threading. Problem with a code re-write.. since CCP didn't exactly do a steller job first time round, why do you think they would do a great job second time round? I didn't think it, OP did. EVE EVE STARGALACTIC CITY B I T C H |
Orravan
Beautiful Losers
8
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Posted - 2013.11.26 09:20:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote: Problem with a code re-write.. since CCP didn't exactly do a steller job first time round, why do you think they would do a great job second time round?
Yeah, because anyone who's been playing Eve for the last 10 years and lived its growth can testify that CCP doesn't know how to optimize their game, nor improve performances, nor manage a single server of 50k people with fights involving hundreds to thousands of players, like every other mmo company does. Oh wait. Finicky diplomat. Suicidal explorer. Faithful ally. |
Solstice Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
4718
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Posted - 2013.11.26 10:13:00 -
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I like how people use the word "CCP" and - which can be seen in their writings - imply that CCP is still the same people as they have been at their beginning.
That's moronic ... and you probably don't even see the issue in that way of thinking. |
Prince Kobol
1190
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Posted - 2013.11.26 10:17:00 -
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Orravan wrote:Prince Kobol wrote: Problem with a code re-write.. since CCP didn't exactly do a steller job first time round, why do you think they would do a great job second time round?
Yeah, because anyone who's been playing Eve for the last 10 years and lived its growth can testify that CCP doesn't know how to optimize their game, nor improve performances, nor manage a single server of 50k people with fights involving hundreds to thousands of players, like every other mmo company does. Oh wait.
On the other hand we are still waiting for something to be done with PoS's after years of asking and apparently its because the code is in a horrendous state.
Also what fights have involved "hundreds to thousands of players"
I mean considering the highest weekly average this year was 40160 its pretty hard to have "hundreds to thousands of players"
Also the 50k number which you used is more the expectation then the norm.
Maybe if you stopped filling your post with hyperbole people might take you slightly more seriously.
Another point.. CCP have been developing their code base for 10 years and yet if anything we are still having issues with lag, not when there are thousands of players on grid but a lot of times 300 - 400 and even less.
Considering one the the major attractions of Eve is being able to have fights involving thousand of players, its not good when you get lag and TiDi when a few hundreds guys are on grid or when you get maybe 100 guys doing something as amazing as undocking.
You would of thought that after a couple of years they would be doing something about this. |
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Prince Kobol
1190
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Posted - 2013.11.26 10:22:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:I like how people use the word "CCP" and - which can be seen in their writings - imply that CCP is still the same people as they have been at their beginning.
That's moronic ... and you probably don't even see the issue in that way of thinking.
That has no relevance.
As an example my wife is a senior software engineer at a major aerospace company with over 15 years experience.
Their code is well documented and written to a standard.
This means when new people start they are able to get a handle on large complex code in a matter of only a few weeks.
I myself have worked on large and complex code and again because it has been well documented and written to a standard it only takes a few weeks to get up to speed, and I am no expert.
If you code is done to a good standard and is well documented then it is irrelevant on who is working on it. That is down to the company and its working practises.
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
847
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Posted - 2013.11.26 10:26:00 -
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To Be Me wrote:In order to be able to handle all kinds of fights in this game..
Would you support them?
Post..
Eve already run on a supercomputers. its a huge cluster connected trough SAN. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
847
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Posted - 2013.11.26 10:29:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Solstice Project wrote:I like how people use the word "CCP" and - which can be seen in their writings - imply that CCP is still the same people as they have been at their beginning.
That's moronic ... and you probably don't even see the issue in that way of thinking. That has no relevance. As an example my wife is a senior software engineer at a major aerospace company with over 15 years experience. Their code is well documented and written to a standard. This means when new people start they are able to get a handle on large complex code in a matter of only a few weeks. I myself have worked on large and complex code and again because it has been well documented and written to a standard it only takes a few weeks to get up to speed, and I am no expert. If you code is done to a good standard and is well documented then it is irrelevant on who is working on it. That is down to the company and its working practises.
But that is easy to say after the company is well stablished . Eve started 10 years ago, with a very small team with very few resources that needed to code as fast as possible to finish within the money constraints they had. For sure now they have things documented, but as in almost all startups they probably do not have things well organized at start.
The absolute majority of startups that try to go slow and organized from start simply fail because they cannot hold the time needed to deliver the product this way. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Knights Armament
But I p0op from there
118
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Posted - 2013.11.26 10:42:00 -
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rumor has it ccp is looking into quantum computing as a means to solve the problems with ccp, they plan on calculating how long eve can survive with upcoming technology such as the oculus rift, and star citizen on the horizon. Luckily thanks to the magic of quantum superposition and some type of other **** to do with entanglement and what not, we can predict that ccp is going to go back to 1985. https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=29554516-05f9-4eca-a942-32e1701a6569&action=buddy |
Orravan
Beautiful Losers
8
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Posted - 2013.11.26 10:58:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:On the other hand we are still waiting for something to be done with PoS's after years of asking and apparently its because the code is in a horrendous state.
Also what fights have involved "hundreds to thousands of players"
I mean considering the highest weekly average this year was 40160 its pretty hard to have "hundreds to thousands of players"
Also the 50k number which you used is more the expectation then the norm.
Maybe if you stopped filling your post with hyperbole people might take you slightly more seriously.
Another point.. CCP have been developing their code base for 10 years and yet if anything we are still having issues with lag, not when there are thousands of players on grid but a lot of times 300 - 400 and even less.
Considering one the the major attractions of Eve is being able to have fights involving thousand of players, its not good when you get lag and TiDi when a few hundreds guys are on grid or when you get maybe 100 guys doing something as amazing as undocking.
You would of thought that after a couple of years they would be doing something about this. There is no hyperbole. Just take some more time to read my words.
Firstly, "hundreds to thousands people" =/= "hundreds of thousands people". Second, I have yet to see another mmo where you are able to fight with a thousand people without being lagged to death and/or crashed to desktop. Or even 500. Those are rare, if not non-existent. Especially knowing that the engine and codes weren't designed to that purpose and had to be worked on over time to be adapted. So my point stands.
Of course TiDi hit when we start to reach a limit. It's been said already that TiDi is not a solution by itself, but a way to manage the excesses. Because what has also been said over and over, each time the limit is raised, people will bring more ships and break through the limit, then complain about the consequences and how bad CCP is doing their job. Again, I've yet to see on other mmo's smooth fights with hundreds of people, and possible fights with thousands. Over the last 10 years, the limit never ceased to be raised, but the more you push it, the more difficult it is to make it work.
Because there is technical limits that can hardly be overreach. Because there is human ressources and worktime limits. Because there is financial limits. There's a lot of limits that linked together make it hard to change it all overnight, and that's something that you hardly see from a player perspective.
Then about the 50k number (which is not an "expectation" per se as it has been reached a couple times and demonstrated that the server is able to run with that much people logged in without problem), will 40k make you feel better ? Or even 30k ? Because it doesn't alter my point. Here again, I've yet to see a classic mmo server running fine with that much people on a single server.
Solstice Project wrote:I like how people use the word "CCP" and - which can be seen in their writings - imply that CCP is still the same people as they have been at their beginning.
That's moronic ... and you probably don't even see the issue in that way of thinking. What's moronic is to think that each time an employee moves out, he's taking with him the processes of work and the accumulated knowledge. That's not how a company works, especially in that specific field. People of good faith who's been playing for long enough can only see that CCP does work as a company and as a team, and that they are good at it. There's issues, there's probably more to be done to solve them, but you can't expect a perfect situation with limited ressources. Finicky diplomat. Suicidal explorer. Faithful ally. |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
603
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Posted - 2013.11.26 11:09:00 -
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To Be Me wrote:In order to be able to handle all kinds of fights in this game..
Would you support them?
Post..
You think the eve cluster isn't a super computer? The eve cluster is basically Red Storm Jr.
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Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
807
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Posted - 2013.11.26 11:11:00 -
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500.000 subs x 14 euro give 7mil euro per month, do CCP realy need kikstarter ? :D
Ofc i dont tak about pure profit, they are big company with meny ofifces and members, they pay a lot to keept game healthy also think that they need to pay for serwer electricity that need a small small power plant. EvE isn't game, its style of living. |
Dunpeal Hunter
Zervas Aeronautics The Unthinkables
20
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Posted - 2013.11.26 12:19:00 -
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Tarvos Telesto wrote:500.000 subs x 14 euro give 7mil euro per month, do CCP realy need kickstarter ? :D
You are forgetting that Plex cost 20 euro's (Or 19.95 if you want to be exact), so even if 15% of those 500.000 subs buys a plex each month its at least half a million euro's extra that CCP earns.
And than there are those people who buy 100 plexes and keep them at the station for 2 years hoping that prices will have increased by than (which they will). And lets not forget the Darwinian instances of stupidity where a shuttle undocks from Jita with 42 plexes in them and those plexes do not drop.... |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
916
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Posted - 2013.11.26 12:46:00 -
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mechtech wrote:Eve is single threaded, this suggestion doesn't make sense.
High end CPUs are up to 12 cores now, and supercomputers are widely using GPGPUs that are essentially thousand core parallel chips.
CCP doesn't need supercomputer hardware, they need single threaded performance (which the industry has moved away from, we're only seeing a 10% or so jump in single threaded performance every generation), or an overhauled software architecture able to split processing into parallel threads.
Unfortunately, an Eve battle is one of the worst case scenarios for parallel processing.
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