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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.04 15:55:00 -
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AFK miners and Carebear miners should be nerfed as well. To force them to get really earn there money and go out in the rest of the world. Ore Thiefs right now are the only means of doing this.
I don't see it happening. Scragg is right about it used as an exploit.
unless when you jet a can it says "Char's Name"'s container it won't happen.
Player jet cans and Rat loot have the same name. All you got to do is put it out from the belt in .8 space and make it look like rat loot left there and poof, killing newbs for free. Not to mention many other ways to use it.
I see only the AFK miners and carebear miners crying about this anyway.
I can see if the can is sitting right next to you when they come and steal ore as a hostile act. But if they were to impliment an idea like this I would make it so that as soon as you leave the belt and the can is no longer owned by you. That would fix the problem.
Or make it so Cops come and kill the thief only for players that are less then a week old.
CCP can't make everyone happy. If they totally kill Ore thiefs abilities. Other people will start whinning that AFK miners have it way to easy.
No if this Idea happened in game with no nerfing of the AFK/Carebear miners as well. I would start a petition agianst it, and would have alot of support. More so then the abillity to kill ore thiefs in 1.0 space.
If you want to kill ore thiefs then go to .4 and below otherwise buy secure cans.
If they really wanted to get rid of ore thiefs they would have made secure contains bottomless or expandable with how much ore you put in it. But they don't. Why, because of AFK/Carebear miners.
It would have been too easy to kill off that profession al long time ago. But EVE says you can become anything you want.
If they want to nerf that profession more. Then they should raise the the ability for Pirates(Neg sec rating players) to come into empire space and put in less cops. Or lower the amount of ore in empire space, make it real easy for a belt to disapear from over mining, so easy that it forces players to go out further.
Or make it so players over a month are not alowed to enter .8 and above belts.
Or Keep it the way it is.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.04 16:05:00 -
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Your right it does sound ovious. But is that the only point you sought to pick out.
NERF AFK/CAREBEAR Miners!!!!!! Let the Newbs have the belts.
Or let the Thiefs be. If you can't get secure cans and mine or do it in a smarter way thats your problem.
Mindly mining is pethetic and too easy a way to make money.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.04 16:23:00 -
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I have seen Battleships in .8 systems striping belts clean leaving nothing for newb miners.
If you notice everyone goes to those systems to mine veld and other easy ore and then go out further and just mine the rest. They should go back to the old way of refilling the roid.
If you got to the .8 systems and above there is hardly any ore. I fyou go to the .2 belts for jaspet there is hardly any jaspet, Kernite, omber ect... and HUGE Veld and Scorite roids. So big you cann't even get close enough to mine them!!!
They Nerf Fighters. They Nerf Pirates. They Nerf PvP. I think they should Nerf Miners.
I heard a about a hacking skill that would allow you to hack into a secure can. That totally contradics what this poster is saying.
I say go ahead and allow this to happen. Then you will so pirates in Battleships coming in to steal your ore, go ahead and fire on them then. They would do it becuase they want your ore, but to start a fight so they can kill you for free.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.04 16:25:00 -
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Edited by: Kalhan on 04/09/2003 16:26:09
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NERF AFK/CAREBEAR Miners!!!!!! Let the Newbs have the belts.
Or let the Thiefs be. If you can't get secure cans and mine or do it in a smarter way thats your problem.
Mindly mining is pethetic and too easy a way to make money
Why are you so concerned with preventing AFK mining?
AFK mining, or solo mining (both are subject to ore thievery) are exclusively a high security asteroid belt activity. Nobody can efficiently mine alone or AFK in low security space.
Since the real profit and real good ores are only obtained from low security space, why worry so much about high security mining?
Give new players and those without corporate backing a chance to mine alone in safety without worrying about having their ore stolen and leave the REAL mining - the real profit - to those like you (Jash) with the experience and corporate backing to take on large and lucrative mining operations.
Nerfing solo/afk mining only makes it harder for new players to get a foothold and make a living. Why make it harder for them and drive them from the game early on?
Veruna -- I think you need to read all of my post before saying this. Not just one of them or part of one of them, but all of at least the first one I did no the second page.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.04 16:29:00 -
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I have seen Battleships in .8 systems striping belts clean leaving nothing for newb miners.
I've mined with my corp and in hours with Apocs and Megathrons, we can never strip a belt in one session. With usually 3-20 belts per system, even if we managed to erase an entire belt, i think the newbies would be ok. On top of that, the rocks usually respawn overnight. So I don't know what you're talking about.
I overegzagerated a bit but thats not the point of that post. If your in a apoc or mega. Go out further and mine.
There are roids as big as a station there becuase of the new way they do the refills on them. 14K wide you can't even get close enough to mine it.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.04 16:38:00 -
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Edited by: Kalhan on 04/09/2003 16:42:35
VERUNA!! - Again read all of my post (I don't mean to be rude)
Maybe I am not putting it simple enough.
I am not against AFK Miners that are newbies. I am against afk miners that are striping the belts in newb land.
I have another Char(unnamed) that ore steals. I don't REPEAT don't steal from the newby players. I see a guy in a Thorax mining with an unsecure can next to him. I go up and steal from it. And if they make that skill to allow players to hack secure cans I will make sure he gets that one too.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.04 16:41:00 -
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Edited by: Kalhan on 04/09/2003 16:41:42
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I overegzagerated a bit but thats not the point of that post. If your in a apoc or mega. Go out further and mine.
I agree that fleets of battleships stripmining newbie belts is kind of weak - but that's a seperate issue, and it's not going to be solved by ore thieves.
I mentioned in my other post that they should make it so the cops come and kill thieves that steal from newbs less then a week old.
Or make it so players older then 2 or 3 weeks to a month are not allowed in belts .7 or .8 and up.
I have alot of this on my first post an second page Please PLEASE read so I don't have to repeat myself over and over again.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.04 16:50:00 -
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I overegzagerated a bit but thats not the point of that post. If your in a apoc or mega. Go out further and mine.
There are roids as big as a station there becuase of the new way they do the refills on them. 14K wide you can't even get close enough to mine it.
I often mine bistot. and back in the day arknor. But that's not the point. Our old base had 30K wide roids, but we like high sec space for the security, but so far, all we've had is a bad taste in our mouths.
Not to be rude but you could have used the edit button to edit your previous post that said the same thing. This is sort of a waste.
And again please read my post on second page.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.04 17:20:00 -
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AFK miners and Carebear miners should be nerfed as well....
First off, are you a DEV? Do you have any idea how they are implementing the system? If you are then i'm sorry. If you aren't then you can't claim to know that exploits will occur since you have no clue on how the system will work in the game.
Nope not a DEV otherwise If I was I wouldn't implement this system.
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Second, AFK isn't a problem. I think MORE people should be mining, we mine all day long and can never afford to sell any of it because we need every single piece of tri, py etc for ship prodcution. If every member of my corp AFK Mined, we'd STILL never have enough to sell and get "Rich with no risk". I wish I knew who all these fat cats were, I want to be rich too! I see tons of people AFK mining and they are still in frigates. I don't know why people think AFK is so bad. *shrugs* Is it really that bad to mine 40K of veld? Will this REALLY make you so rich? Why am I mining bistot when i can AFK mine 40K of veld!! with no risk!
Third, using the term carbear....i'll leave it that.
It isn't a get rich quick way but it is the fastest way.
Besides that you missed the point completely. Don't nerf the newbs, the older players mining in thoraxs should be nerf. But they can't seperate the two right now. So they should keep ore thiefs in and not add such a system that further nerfs them more then the secure cans does without nerfing the miners as well.
If you read any of my post before. I said they have made it harder for every other profession but miner.
Eve allows you to be want you want to be as long as you don't harrass other players. Stealing is no harrassing it is a profession that CCP allows.
I don't see them putting that rumor in anyway.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.04 17:31:00 -
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People want to keep ore thieves to discourage AFK miners, when the majority of AFK miners are sitting in Bantams or Probes mining 40k of Veldspar per hour to trying and save up for skills or new modules for their ships. Like they REALLY need the added headache of people stealing their 3 hours worth of Veldspar that's only going to make a few hundred thousand isk anyway.
Use secure containers then.
I agree with not stealing from newb players. My Thief char doesn't. It take way to long for a new player to mine alot of ore.
They should make it so you can't steal from players that are less the a week (of actually in game time) old. After that they should be adequite enough to go out and mine in more dangerous spots.
They should keep ore thiefs to steal from the greedy players in 1.0 space mining in thoraxes and Battleships and dumb enough to not use secure containers and then add that skill I heard about to allow Theives to hack into secure cans (lockpicking).
There are 2 kinds of people that want a system like the one suggested.
1. The newbies - I support them.
2. The Greedy players like mentioned above. Keep ore thiefs for them.
I think They should make it so if your Char has 2 weeks of ingame time you shouldn't be allowed to enter .7 or .8 and above belts. That would solve the problem for the newbs and The Greedy players just have to use secure cans or suck it up.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.04 17:35:00 -
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Besides I don't see them adding this.
CCP doesn't want anyone who is not in a corp war to fire on eachother in empire space.
And just like being a miner, being a thief is a profetion that CCP allows.
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.10 16:26:00 -
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here is another
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Kalhan
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Posted - 2003.09.10 17:13:00 -
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Let's think about this realistically. If you eject a non-secure can, someone could come up and take something from it. HOWEVER, you should have the ability to fire on that person without cop intervention.
Yes lets think realistically. you are comfusing jet-cans with non-secure cans. Both non-secure and secure cans you can buy on the market. And I do agree you should be able to fire on those that steal from the cans that you buy.
using a jet can as I explained in one of these many posts about ore thieves is like useing an ATM and as you take money out you dump it acouple feet from you on the side of the sidewalk or steet. The money(ore) has no link to you other then you are dumping it there. Now is you use a non-secure or secure can(the ones you buy) those have an ID that makes it your. Maybe they should change it so when you jet something it destroys it.
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