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Ebs Tarmin
Angels 0f Death
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Posted - 2013.11.27 10:36:00 -
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Autopilot is broken -why don't CCP fix it?
-No experienced players use it. -They only players that do use it are newbies who don't know any better, and specialist haulers. -What's the point of having a game feature if nobody uses it? -Adjusting it so you warped to within (say) 5km of gates would make it a useful feature that people would actually use.
The only reason I can see for it being the way it is, is to make 'autopiloters' gankable (essentially: everybody else suffers so a handful of bored, killmail-obsessed, oldtimer trolls can gank folk).
I regularly have to do 'the Jita run' which involves 24+ jumps, having to right click 'Jump' on the gate in the Overview every time is just hassle. Why does it have to be this way?
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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
723
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Posted - 2013.11.27 10:38:00 -
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Ebs Tarmin wrote:Autopilot is broken -why don't CCP fix it?
-No experienced players use it. -They only players that do use it are newbies who don't know any better, and specialist haulers. -What's the point of having a game feature if nobody uses it? -Adjusting it so you warped to within (say) 5km of gates would make it a useful feature that people would actually use.
The only reason I can see for it being the way it is, is to make 'autopiloters' gankable (essentially: everybody else suffers so a handful of bored, killmail-obsessed, oldtimer trolls can gank folk).
I regularly have to do 'the Jita run' which involves 24+ jumps, having to right click 'Jump' on the gate in the Overview every time is just hassle. Why does it have to be this way?
Stop right clicking, use the radial menu. Should lessen your issues.  *removed inappropriate signature* - CCP Eterne |

Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
854
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Posted - 2013.11.27 10:39:00 -
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Ebs Tarmin wrote:Autopilot is broken -why don't CCP fix it?
-No experienced players use it. -They only players that do use it are newbies who don't know any better, and specialist haulers. -What's the point of having a game feature if nobody uses it? -Adjusting it so you warped to within (say) 5km of gates would make it a useful feature that people would actually use.
The only reason I can see for it being the way it is, is to make 'autopiloters' gankable (essentially: everybody else suffers so a handful of bored, killmail-obsessed, oldtimer trolls can gank folk).
I regularly have to do 'the Jita run' which involves 24+ jumps, having to right click 'Jump' on the gate in the Overview every time is just hassle. Why does it have to be this way?
You use AP in high sec whatn you want to go get somethign to eat, or take a shower while you move your shuttle around.
Nothign wrong with that.
"If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |

Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
2017
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Posted - 2013.11.27 10:39:00 -
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Because CCP wants you to play the game, not click a button and come back in 30 minutes. |

Icarus Able
Traverse Holdings Setting The Universe on Fire
177
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Posted - 2013.11.27 10:39:00 -
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APing ceptors is good. Or just in your pod because you wanna go cook something. Plenty of people use it just people with expensive clones dont. |

Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1201
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Posted - 2013.11.27 10:41:00 -
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Ebs Tarmin wrote:Autopilot is broken -why don't CCP fix it?
-No experienced players use it. -They only players that do use it are newbies who don't know any better, and specialist haulers. -What's the point of having a game feature if nobody uses it? -Adjusting it so you warped to within (say) 5km of gates would make it a useful feature that people would actually use.
The only reason I can see for it being the way it is, is to make 'autopiloters' gankable (essentially: everybody else suffers so a handful of bored, killmail-obsessed, oldtimer trolls can gank folk).
I regularly have to do 'the Jita run' which involves 24+ jumps, having to right click 'Jump' on the gate in the Overview every time is just hassle. Why does it have to be this way?
Think I got some Mark II armor around here... lemme see... hmm.
Ah, there it is! /pulls skeleton in blue overall from metal armor and hands it over to Ebs. Slightly used but should keep you safe from most harm. 
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GreenSeed
753
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Posted - 2013.11.27 10:43:00 -
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Ebs Tarmin wrote: I regularly have to do 'the Jita run' which involves 24+ jumps, having to right click 'Jump' on the gate in the Overview every time is just hassle. Why does it have to be this way?
you know there's a hotkey, right?
bind it to mouse3 or mouse4. |

Mr Pragmatic
728
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Posted - 2013.11.27 10:46:00 -
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I've been playing 2 years and I AP all the time. Food, Shower, Family, Door, Phone. Or just plain don't feel like clicking and traveling long distances.
Nothing is wrong with AP. Keep it as it is. Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness. -á-Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling. |

Mascha Tzash
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
110
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Posted - 2013.11.27 10:48:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote:Ebs Tarmin wrote: I regularly have to do 'the Jita run' which involves 24+ jumps, having to right click 'Jump' on the gate in the Overview every time is just hassle. Why does it have to be this way?
you know there's a hotkey, right? bind it to mouse3 or mouse4.
I think it was "D" by default. Automation is allways a bad thing |

Dextrome Thorphan
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.11.27 11:03:00 -
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I Love Boobies wrote:Ebs Tarmin wrote:Autopilot is broken -why don't CCP fix it?
-No experienced players use it. -They only players that do use it are newbies who don't know any better, and specialist haulers. -What's the point of having a game feature if nobody uses it? -Adjusting it so you warped to within (say) 5km of gates would make it a useful feature that people would actually use.
The only reason I can see for it being the way it is, is to make 'autopiloters' gankable (essentially: everybody else suffers so a handful of bored, killmail-obsessed, oldtimer trolls can gank folk).
I regularly have to do 'the Jita run' which involves 24+ jumps, having to right click 'Jump' on the gate in the Overview every time is just hassle. Why does it have to be this way?
Stop right clicking, use the radial menu. Should lessen your issues. 
Just left click the jump button in your overview header... the game automatically selects the next stargate in your travelroute when jumping into a system, so all it takes is 1 leftclick per system  |
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Cavalira
Valar Morghulis. Goonswarm Federation
209
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Posted - 2013.11.27 11:10:00 -
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The tutorial is broken. Seriously. No experienced player use it. Why have something in the game that no one uses? |

Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
467
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Posted - 2013.11.27 11:19:00 -
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Got some responses, but no wharblgarblgarblgbtowow. Gonna have to give this a 2/10. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |

Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
614
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Posted - 2013.11.27 11:20:00 -
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Ebs Tarmin wrote:Autopilot is broken -why don't CCP fix it?
-No experienced players use it. -The only players that do use it are newbies who don't know any better, and specialist haulers. -What's the point of having a game feature if nobody uses it? -Adjusting it so you warped to within (say) 5km of gates would make it a useful feature that people would actually use.
The only reason I can see for it being the way it is, is to make 'autopiloters' gankable (essentially: everybody else suffers so a handful of bored, killmail-obsessed, oldtimer trolls can gank folk).
I regularly have to do 'the Jita run' which involves 24+ jumps, having to right click 'Jump' on the gate in the Overview every time is just hassle. Why does it have to be this way?
Press D for jump/dock Fluffy Bunny Pic! |

Cheng Musana
Purple Space Ponys AAA Citizens
30
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Posted - 2013.11.27 11:45:00 -
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I use it when im in highsec with something like a atron or shuttle. Apart from that i dont really advise the usage of the auto pilot in low or nullsec. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17555
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Posted - 2013.11.27 11:48:00 -
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How is it broken?
Plenty of people are using it for more and less intelligent reasons. Its ability to auto-dock you when you jump to an off-axis close docking point is particularly useful, for instance. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2697
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Posted - 2013.11.27 11:54:00 -
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Mr Pragmatic wrote:I've been playing 2 years and I AP all the time. Food, Shower, Family, Door, Phone. Or just plain don't feel like clicking and traveling long distances.
Nothing is wrong with AP. Keep it as it is.
I've added you to the list, thanks. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |

Mamucha
Rookie Empire Citizens Rookie Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.11.27 12:04:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:Because CCP wants you to play the game, not click a button and come back in 30 minutes.
Maybe CCP should buff freighter align and warps speeds then  We were recruiting. |

Richard Ramlrez
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
49
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Posted - 2013.11.27 12:06:00 -
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They should rename autopilot to deathtrap pilot. Indeed a useless game tool. |

Mr Pragmatic
729
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Posted - 2013.11.27 12:10:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:Mr Pragmatic wrote:I've been playing 2 years and I AP all the time. Food, Shower, Family, Door, Phone. Or just plain don't feel like clicking and traveling long distances.
Nothing is wrong with AP. Keep it as it is. I've added you to the list, thanks.
I'll give you 1 trillion Interstellar Kredits, if you gank me. Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness. -á-Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling. |

Seven Koskanaiken
Sons Of Saints Circle-Of-Two
511
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Posted - 2013.11.27 12:17:00 -
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Ebs Tarmin wrote:The only reason I can see for it being the way it is, is to make 'autopiloters' gankable (essentially: everybody else suffers so a handful of bored, killmail-obsessed, oldtimer trolls can gank folk).
Using a bot is always a bad idea, even if the game gives the bot to you.
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March rabbit
True Horde
888
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Posted - 2013.11.27 12:18:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:Because CCP wants you to play the game, not click a button and come back in 30 minutes. yea. How people do this: 1) press 1 button ""jump" to next gate 2) put Eve Client window on back, switch to other window with pron or something 3) wait for animation of actual jumping, switch to Eve Client and repeat from step 1.
That's really amazing game 
And for serious discussion: any ideas how to make task "move some cheap crap 20 jumps in freighter over high-sec" more interesting and "true-Eve style" game? The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Grunanca
Doughboys Shadow Cartel
94
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Posted - 2013.11.27 12:26:00 -
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Ebs Tarmin wrote:Autopilot is broken -why don't CCP fix it?
-No experienced players use it. -The only players that do use it are newbies who don't know any better, and specialist haulers. -What's the point of having a game feature if nobody uses it? -Adjusting it so you warped to within (say) 5km of gates would make it a useful feature that people would actually use.
The only reason I can see for it being the way it is, is to make 'autopiloters' gankable (essentially: everybody else suffers so a handful of bored, killmail-obsessed, oldtimer trolls can gank folk).
I regularly have to do 'the Jita run' which involves 24+ jumps, having to right click 'Jump' on the gate in the Overview every time is just hassle. Why does it have to be this way?
Seems to me like you got no clue... I use autopilot on my alt all the time. I have him haul while I pvp. The art is to use heavily tanked ships or freighters to move low value stuff or very little high value, so a suicide gank can never be profitable. Especially after Rubicon, my weekly rens-jita freighter run has turned into afk. Autopilot is fine. Its all about the cost of lazyness. if you want to be lazy like me, be sure its gonna hurt anyone wanting to hurt you more. |

Annette Nolen
Red Frog Freight Red-Frog
4
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Posted - 2013.11.27 13:35:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:And for serious discussion: any ideas how to make task "move some cheap crap 20 jumps in freighter over high-sec" more interesting and "true-Eve style" game?
Use Red Frog. Nothing is more "true-Eve style" than paying someone else to do your dirty work. Well... except maybe ganking them while they do it. |

March rabbit
True Horde
890
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Posted - 2013.11.27 14:07:00 -
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Annette Nolen wrote:March rabbit wrote:And for serious discussion: any ideas how to make task "move some cheap crap 20 jumps in freighter over high-sec" more interesting and "true-Eve style" game? Use Red Frog. Nothing is more "true-Eve style" than paying someone else to do your dirty work. Well... except maybe ganking them while they do it. yea. i see your point.
However my question is wider: i ask not about me but about all players. It means i ask about Reg-Frog pilots too. Because using this service only solves boredom of hauling for me. But some RF pilot will deal with this boredom for my ISK (only if pilots of RF are humans and not bots but this is outside of this discussion) The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17557
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Posted - 2013.11.27 14:13:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:However my question is wider: i ask not about me but about all players. It means i ask about Reg-Frog pilots too. Because using this service only solves boredom of hauling for me. But some RF pilot will deal with this boredom for my ISK (only if pilots of RF are humans and not bots but this is outside of this discussion) Then again, hours of boredom (followed by a few minutes of sheer panic) is pretty much part of the true EVE experience as well. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Cannibal Kane
My Little Ponies of the Apocalypse Cannibal Empire
2781
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Posted - 2013.11.27 14:42:00 -
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Why OP...
Hello There... "I saw him fight by the monument in Jita. -áHe flowed in his Machariel like a Shinto spirit, 800MM shells sprouting in his passing. -áHis hair flowed in the corona of his target's warp core breach. -áIt was truly majestic. -áAnd while everyone stared in awe I stole the loot and ran off.-áBecause I am like that." --áNEONOVUS |

Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1529
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Posted - 2013.11.27 14:52:00 -
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Autopilot is just fine the way it is. Set destination. Set medical clone to destination station. Shower/pay attention to SO/take legendary poop/whatever. Arrive at destination one way or the other! |

Careby
Careby Exploration
99
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Posted - 2013.11.27 15:09:00 -
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The increased risk that comes with using Autopilot is appropriate. I do think teaching new players to use it in the tutorial is pretty silly.
I use Autopilot for one thing. After lighting a cyno, I set my course to the station I'm sitting next to, and punch the AP button. There is a fair to middling chance it will dock my pod after my ship is destroyed, or maybe even the ship if I'm lucky enough that nobody shoots it before the timer runs out. I don't remember where I heard about this, but thanks to whomever suggested it.
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Tydeth Gilitae
Magewright Artificers
34
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Posted - 2013.11.27 15:42:00 -
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I tried autopilot as a rookie. I found the 15km slowboating to be annoying (having been not afk during use), and it absolutely sucked as a panic I'm-getting-shot-at-in-Low-Sec-RUN retreat button (During newbie-panic, I forgot about the slowboating. Results: Predictable). Granted, its entire point is to grant you the convenience of not having to manually fly 100 jumps around High-sec, in exchange for improved likelihood of getting popped.
Never again. 1 jump or 100, I've stuck with manual. The setting of a destination/route so you don't get lost is nice; I just don't let my ship fly itself through the route. |

Batelle
Komm susser Tod
515
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Posted - 2013.11.27 15:49:00 -
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Ebs Tarmin wrote: -No experienced players use it.
Really? no one?
8 years here and I still find it a situational but useful feature. "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
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Helios Aquiness
Perkone Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2013.11.27 16:03:00 -
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I use AP all the time, the trick is to not be carrying anything valuble. Or if in a freighter, not have more than 400 million isk of cargo. Carebear? Im a brony, motherf***er. |

qwiksilver Oriki
Iron Wolf Industries
0
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Posted - 2013.11.27 16:27:00 -
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Autopilot is useful in certain situations, if you're running multiple accounts at once and the time it takes 2 of them to get to a destination its quite useful and lets you focus attention on other pilots that are where they need to be. |

Cpt Tirel
65
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Posted - 2013.11.27 16:38:00 -
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I think ship speed should determine how far you land from the gate when autopiloting at least. |

Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
189
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Posted - 2013.11.27 17:00:00 -
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I think autopilot should act exactly like clicking on each system on the overview and jumping as soon as you get into a new system.
If it did that, it would be a useful feature.
The way it is now it is not useful, yet I can still pilot by clicking 'jump' in each system myself.
So changing autopilot would not change the game much, but it would make long journeys (which is NOT what EVE should be about - EVE's about what happens when you get there) more tolerable for the players. IE, I could go do something else while my ship traveled and if I came back to a pod, I would at least understand that there wasn't going to be much I could have done even if I had been manually piloting.
If they don't change it I won't be mad or anything but I believe that having a button that does better than autopilot makes autopilot mostly obsolete.
I'm not sure why CCP would want us sitting there playing EVE as opposed to being able to automate the boring portion of EVE. I would lobby for instant transfers to anywhere but that's already a feature with jump clones and would mess up a lot of things. So travel time is necessary but what's the point of making it a manual process over an automated one? There's no ads they want me there to click through, and I'm watching another screen waiting for the jump sound anyway. They're still getting their sub money, so why does travel need to be such a chore? |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17569
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Posted - 2013.11.27 17:15:00 -
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Jythier Smith wrote:I think autopilot should act exactly like clicking on each system on the overview and jumping as soon as you get into a new system.
If it did that, it would be a useful feature. GǪexcept, of course, that it's a useful feature as it is, so there's no need for that level of automation. Being at the keyboard rewards you with faster travel GÇö this is a good thing.
Quote:If they don't change it I won't be mad or anything but I believe that having a button that does better than autopilot makes autopilot mostly obsolete. The button in question doesn't really do what the autopilot does, though. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
288
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Posted - 2013.11.27 17:18:00 -
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I autopilot in a pod, is that bad?
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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
476
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Posted - 2013.11.27 17:21:00 -
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Jythier Smith wrote:IE, I could go do something else while my ship traveled and if I came back to a pod, I would at least understand that there wasn't going to be much I could have done even if I had been manually piloting. You are literally asking for the game to play itself.
Sure, travel is pretty boring. That's why it's one of the few things in the game where you have the option to automate it, for a price. If you want a game which is nothing but instant gratification 110% of the time, I suggest Call of Duty.
Upgrading OP to 5/10 for getting me to respond seriously to a thread from 2007. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
4915
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Posted - 2013.11.27 17:51:00 -
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No, you're not going to get an autopilot that is as efficient as flying manually.
No, you're not going to be able to go AFK on autopilot and be immune to being ganked.
Faster travel makes the universe smaller, which we don't need. Indeed, if we need anything it is for travel to be even more dangerous than it is now, so as to keep you from being so bored. 
There, problem solved. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

Iria Ahrens
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
99
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Posted - 2013.11.27 18:02:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Abdiel Kavash wrote:Because CCP wants you to play the game, not click a button and come back in 30 minutes. yea. How people do this: 1) press 1 button ""jump" to next gate 2) put Eve Client window on back, switch to other window with pron or something 3) wait for animation of actual jumping, switch to Eve Client and repeat from step 1.
Wait! How did you know I was reading pron? Are you spying on me?
Cannibal Kane wrote:Why OP...
Hello There...
Cannibal ... Your avatar needs a red flowing cape or something. You have that super hero pose down. Because you disdained all my counsel, and my reproof you ignoredGÇö I, in my turn, will laugh at your doom; will mock when terror overtakes you; -- Ultimate Griefer's Handbook |

Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
221
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Posted - 2013.11.27 18:10:00 -
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Ebs Tarmin wrote:Autopilot is broken -why don't CCP fix it? -No experienced players use it.
Before we had the jump option on gates I sort of used autopilot back when I had a slower than dirt computer.
After entering a system warp to the next gate and engage the autopilot. This way if there was a large camp at the gate I wasn't fumbling with the right click to jump at the gate.
After jumping I would turn off autopilot and repeat to the next gate.
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Winchester Steele
242
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Posted - 2013.11.27 18:12:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:No, you're not going to get an autopilot that is as efficient as flying manually. No, you're not going to be able to go AFK on autopilot and be immune to being ganked. Faster travel makes the universe smaller, which we don't need. Indeed, if we need anything it is for travel to be even more dangerous than it is now, so as to keep you from being so bored.  There, problem solved.
Remove Concord. Problem solved. ... |

Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
221
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Posted - 2013.11.27 18:20:00 -
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Richard Ramlrez wrote:They should rename autopilot to deathtrap pilot. Indeed a useless game tool.
Perhaps Death Race |

Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
189
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Posted - 2013.11.27 18:30:00 -
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I use my programming skills to automate stuff all the time.
I do this because when I do it, it does things better and quicker and with less mistakes than manual operation.
So autopilot doing a job that I could program a bot to do instead (hit jump button on system change) and the bot that I programmed would do it better. It's an incorrect game design decision, because those who really care will sit there and manually jump (as I do). So I'm not asking for any safety, I'm asking for autopilot to be an automatic pilot, not an automatic idiot.
As for wanting the game to play itself... is there really a difference here? I've set destination, and all I do is go into the game and press 'jump' every system as opposed to not having to do that. That's the difference here. I'm NOT ACTUALLY PLAYING A GAME. The decisions that make up the gamespace have already been made - I'm going to wherever. That's set. What you're asking me to do is sit there and babysit a game that really doesn't need it with a very small tweak. Once the decision is made, why can't I have a computer (my gosh, we've invented those in real life that work better!) do the grunt work of pressing 'jump' every system change? Is that really too much to ask in a computer game?
What you appear to be missing is where the 'fun' is in EVE. I'm guessing, pressing the 'jump' button 15 times isn't fun for most people. Why are you so opposed to ditching that? |

Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
476
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Posted - 2013.11.27 18:34:00 -
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Jythier Smith wrote:I use my programming skills to automate stuff all the time. And now we have drones and robot soldiers, so I guess all shooters should come with autoaim?
Jythier Smith wrote:As for wanting the game to play itself... is there really a difference here? It's a big enough difference that it's gotten you onto the forums whining about it.
Jythier Smith wrote:What you appear to be missing is where the 'fun' is in EVE. "If you want a game which is nothing but instant gratification 110% of the time, I suggest Call of Duty." [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |

Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
189
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Posted - 2013.11.27 18:38:00 -
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I just participate on the forums and chimed in on a thread that someone else started. I didn't come here to whine about autopilot, but since it was brought up, I had some thoughts to kick in.
I'm sorry you want your entertainment to suck.
If you want a game that makes you babysit it while a predetermined outcome occurs, I suggest Candyland. |

Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
189
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Posted - 2013.11.27 18:41:00 -
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Draw a card... one yellow... move ahead to yellow... draw a card... one yellow... move ahead to yellow.
I guess Candyland might be too exciting for you, because you don't know what color you're going to draw next. So traveling in EVE is more like playing Candyland with all the cards face up. |

Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
476
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Posted - 2013.11.27 18:42:00 -
[47] - Quote
Jythier Smith wrote:I'm sorry you want your entertainment to suck. So EVE sucks then?
In that case, can I have your stuff? [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |

Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
189
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Posted - 2013.11.27 18:46:00 -
[48] - Quote
Crumplecorn wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:I'm sorry you want your entertainment to suck. So EVE sucks then? In that case, can I have your stuff?
Contract sent. |

Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
476
|
Posted - 2013.11.27 18:49:00 -
[49] - Quote
Jythier Smith wrote:Crumplecorn wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:I'm sorry you want your entertainment to suck. So EVE sucks then? In that case, can I have your stuff? Contract sent. Stuff gratefully received. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |

Gealbhan
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
485
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Posted - 2013.11.27 18:52:00 -
[50] - Quote
If you use AP at all then it is you who are broken, not the game. |
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Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
189
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Posted - 2013.11.27 18:53:00 -
[51] - Quote
Crumplecorn wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:Crumplecorn wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:I'm sorry you want your entertainment to suck. So EVE sucks then? In that case, can I have your stuff? Contract sent. Stuff gratefully received.
... will you play Candyland with me? |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17570
|
Posted - 2013.11.27 18:54:00 -
[52] - Quote
Gealbhan wrote:If you use AP at all then it is you who are broken, not the game.  If you don't understand the tool that is the AP GÇö what it can do, what it could do but shouldn't, and what it can't do GÇö you're broken. Not using the AP is about as bad an idea as relying on it. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Hiryu Jin
Enterprise Estonia Northern Coalition.
30
|
Posted - 2013.11.27 19:19:00 -
[53] - Quote
damn I remember when there was no warp-to-zero and everyone had to slowboat to gates or create/buy bm's for every gate. Now you want it to be even easier. Maybe in a few more patches, there will be so much automation, you won't even have to login anymore. |

Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
193
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Posted - 2013.11.27 19:28:00 -
[54] - Quote
Hiryu Jin wrote:damn I remember when there was no warp-to-zero and everyone had to slowboat to gates or create/buy bm's for every gate. Now you want it to be even easier. Maybe in a few more patches, there will be so much automation, you won't even have to login anymore.
Technically, I don't have to log in now. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
1143
|
Posted - 2013.11.27 19:31:00 -
[55] - Quote
Autopilot is like Abortion
Better to have it and not need it than need it and
NOT HAVE IT High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |

Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
193
|
Posted - 2013.11.27 19:31:00 -
[56] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote: Autopilot is like Abortion
Better to have it and not need it than need it and
NOT HAVE IT
No it isn't. |

Hiryu Jin
Enterprise Estonia Northern Coalition.
30
|
Posted - 2013.11.27 19:33:00 -
[57] - Quote
Jythier Smith wrote:Hiryu Jin wrote:damn I remember when there was no warp-to-zero and everyone had to slowboat to gates or create/buy bm's for every gate. Now you want it to be even easier. Maybe in a few more patches, there will be so much automation, you won't even have to login anymore. Technically, I don't have to log in now. I think you should take advantage of that feature immediately. |

Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
193
|
Posted - 2013.11.27 19:33:00 -
[58] - Quote
Hiryu Jin wrote:damn I remember when there was no warp-to-zero and everyone had to slowboat to gates or create/buy bm's for every gate. Now you want it to be even easier. Maybe in a few more patches, there will be so much automation, you won't even have to login anymore.
It's almost as if they decided something was not very entertaining (bookmarking all gates) and fixed it.
I wonder if they'll do that with any other part of EVE. |

Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
193
|
Posted - 2013.11.27 19:33:00 -
[59] - Quote
Hiryu Jin wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:Hiryu Jin wrote:damn I remember when there was no warp-to-zero and everyone had to slowboat to gates or create/buy bm's for every gate. Now you want it to be even easier. Maybe in a few more patches, there will be so much automation, you won't even have to login anymore. Technically, I don't have to log in now. I think you should take advantage of that feature immediately.
Naw, I enjoy EVE, so I think I'll keep playing, but thanks for the alternative suggestion. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
1143
|
Posted - 2013.11.27 19:34:00 -
[60] - Quote
Jythier Smith wrote:
No it isn't.
OH yes it is High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |
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Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
195
|
Posted - 2013.11.27 19:34:00 -
[61] - Quote
I do think it's kind of funny that you would think anyone would unsubscribe or stop playing over the autopilot button though. Are you going to stop playing if they change it? Yeah, it's just not that important, right? |

Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
195
|
Posted - 2013.11.27 19:36:00 -
[62] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:
No it isn't.
OH yes it is
You're so right, what was I thinking to even disagree at all? |

Hiryu Jin
Enterprise Estonia Northern Coalition.
31
|
Posted - 2013.11.27 19:38:00 -
[63] - Quote
remember when AP was really broken and sent everyone to rancer. :p |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
1145
|
Posted - 2013.11.27 19:38:00 -
[64] - Quote
Jythier Smith wrote:
You're so right, what was I thinking to even disagree at all?
Its ok
A lot of people think they disagree with me
But really
I know they dont
Dont worry cutie
I still
Think you're tops xxx High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |

Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
195
|
Posted - 2013.11.27 19:39:00 -
[65] - Quote
Hiryu Jin wrote:remember when AP was really broken and sent everyone to rancer. :p
Now that's broken. |

Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
195
|
Posted - 2013.11.27 19:39:00 -
[66] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:
You're so right, what was I thinking to even disagree at all?
Its ok A lot of people think they disagree with me But really I know they dont Dont worry cutie I still Think you're tops xxx
Sorry babe, I like my girls with McCands. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
1145
|
Posted - 2013.11.27 19:42:00 -
[67] - Quote
Jythier Smith wrote:
Sorry babe, I like my girls with McCands.
Yeeooo I saw what you did there
Its ok
Because it only matters that I like YOU
My affection is NOT a two way street
High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |

Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
847
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Posted - 2013.11.28 00:15:00 -
[68] - Quote
Hey bottom dwelling risk averse losers need kill mails too ... Think of the losers! |

Ebs Tarmin
Angels 0f Death
0
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Posted - 2013.11.28 00:20:00 -
[69] - Quote
Jythier Smith wrote:I use my programming skills to automate stuff all the time.
I do this because when I do it, it does things better and quicker and with less mistakes than manual operation.
So autopilot doing a job that I could program a bot to do instead (hit jump button on system change) and the bot that I programmed would do it better. It's an incorrect game design decision, because those who really care will sit there and manually jump (as I do). So I'm not asking for any safety, I'm asking for autopilot to be an automatic pilot, not an automatic idiot.
As for wanting the game to play itself... is there really a difference here? I've set destination, and all I do is go into the game and press 'jump' every system as opposed to not having to do that. That's the difference here. I'm NOT ACTUALLY PLAYING A GAME. The decisions that make up the gamespace have already been made - I'm going to wherever. That's set. What you're asking me to do is sit there and babysit a game that really doesn't need it with a very small tweak. Once the decision is made, why can't I have a computer (my gosh, we've invented those in real life that work better!) do the grunt work of pressing 'jump' every system change? Is that really too much to ask in a computer game?
What you appear to be missing is where the 'fun' is in EVE. I'm guessing, pressing the 'jump' button 15 times isn't fun for most people. Why are you so opposed to ditching that?
-Thankyou, a voice of reason in a sea of fuzzy logic. I would love to see a dev's reply to this post... |

J'mee Leggs
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
53
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Posted - 2013.11.28 00:42:00 -
[70] - Quote
Ebs Tarmin wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:I use my programming skills to automate stuff all the time.
I do this because when I do it, it does things better and quicker and with less mistakes than manual operation.
So autopilot doing a job that I could program a bot to do instead (hit jump button on system change) and the bot that I programmed would do it better. It's an incorrect game design decision, because those who really care will sit there and manually jump (as I do). So I'm not asking for any safety, I'm asking for autopilot to be an automatic pilot, not an automatic idiot.
As for wanting the game to play itself... is there really a difference here? I've set destination, and all I do is go into the game and press 'jump' every system as opposed to not having to do that. That's the difference here. I'm NOT ACTUALLY PLAYING A GAME. The decisions that make up the gamespace have already been made - I'm going to wherever. That's set. What you're asking me to do is sit there and babysit a game that really doesn't need it with a very small tweak. Once the decision is made, why can't I have a computer (my gosh, we've invented those in real life that work better!) do the grunt work of pressing 'jump' every system change? Is that really too much to ask in a computer game?
What you appear to be missing is where the 'fun' is in EVE. I'm guessing, pressing the 'jump' button 15 times isn't fun for most people. Why are you so opposed to ditching that? -Thankyou, a voice of reason in a sea of fuzzy logic. I would love to see a dev's reply to this post...
The Devs don't care because the Devs designed autopilot this way intentionally. They want travelling by autopilot to be dangerous. Deal with it. |
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
847
|
Posted - 2013.11.28 00:43:00 -
[71] - Quote
Ebs Tarmin wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:I use my programming skills to automate stuff all the time.
I do this because when I do it, it does things better and quicker and with less mistakes than manual operation.
So autopilot doing a job that I could program a bot to do instead (hit jump button on system change) and the bot that I programmed would do it better. It's an incorrect game design decision, because those who really care will sit there and manually jump (as I do). So I'm not asking for any safety, I'm asking for autopilot to be an automatic pilot, not an automatic idiot.
As for wanting the game to play itself... is there really a difference here? I've set destination, and all I do is go into the game and press 'jump' every system as opposed to not having to do that. That's the difference here. I'm NOT ACTUALLY PLAYING A GAME. The decisions that make up the gamespace have already been made - I'm going to wherever. That's set. What you're asking me to do is sit there and babysit a game that really doesn't need it with a very small tweak. Once the decision is made, why can't I have a computer (my gosh, we've invented those in real life that work better!) do the grunt work of pressing 'jump' every system change? Is that really too much to ask in a computer game?
What you appear to be missing is where the 'fun' is in EVE. I'm guessing, pressing the 'jump' button 15 times isn't fun for most people. Why are you so opposed to ditching that? -Thankyou, a voice of reason in a sea of fuzzy logic. I would love to see a dev's reply to this post... Devs are failed UO gankers. They don't see any issue with it. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3713
|
Posted - 2013.11.28 00:45:00 -
[72] - Quote
Autopilot has always been broken.
Use it and you are unlikely to reach your destination.  |

Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
3493
|
Posted - 2013.11.28 01:31:00 -
[73] - Quote
To think the biggest issue used to be bookmark copying of 15km bm's and perch points.
Kids these days. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |

Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
197
|
Posted - 2013.11.28 01:55:00 -
[74] - Quote
If nothing got me that close to the gate, then autopilot also doing it would be fine. It would make the game slower, but with a purpose. Then, I would need to watch my travel no matter what, because when I landed, I would have to get to the gate. That actually sounds better than warp to 0. Traveling would be risky. |

Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
680
|
Posted - 2013.11.28 02:14:00 -
[75] - Quote
I like how you say autopilot is broken, and then don't say why. You might as well have said that you want it changed to make your afk-style play faster!
You should have been around in the old days, when warping to 0 didn't exist, and you had to have massive amounts of bookmarks set past each and every gate to get around fast. 
Personally i think if you can't be at the computer to warp to 0 each time you jump, then having autopilot do it for you, but take more time travelling to the gate, is a good compromise. If you're concerned about your cargo value, then should definitely not use AP. Post with your main, like a BOSS! |

45thtiger 0109
AL3XAND3R.
25
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Posted - 2013.11.28 04:42:00 -
[76] - Quote
Abdiel Kavash wrote:Because CCP wants you to play the game, not click a button and come back in 30 minutes.
I always warp to 0 on the gate in high sec.
I do not use AP at all.
OP stop being lazy and just manually warp to 0.
Because if you use AP there is more of a chance that you could be suicide ganked by   
CCP will not adjust AP to suit your needs at all.
BTW AP is working as intended.
I am not a CCP employee-ájust having a input in the EvE forum
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Roda 6486B2-0-D
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
|
Posted - 2013.11.28 13:10:00 -
[77] - Quote
In my book, auto-pilot is for one thing and one thing only : Alt tabbing to adult sites while still playing the game. nudge nudge wink wink fap fap |

Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
197
|
Posted - 2013.11.28 16:14:00 -
[78] - Quote
Of course it's working as intended, I'm just wondering what intention behind it makes sense from a game design perspective that isn't nullified by the warp-to-0 button. |

Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
619
|
Posted - 2013.11.28 17:41:00 -
[79] - Quote
Can we just automate everything? I really hate sitting here and having to hit buttons when I could just log in and have a game play itself for me. Especially when the game is on a computer which is smarter and faster than me. Just have EVE make a ding or buzzer sound every now and then to let me know when I won or lost.
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samualvimes
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
127
|
Posted - 2013.11.28 19:14:00 -
[80] - Quote
Autopilot is just that. An automatic pilot.
On a plane the autopilot cannot land it or perform complex actions. As it is in EvE the autopilot can't quite land on a gate at 0.
I've heard the Caldari are working on a solution but they say it's just too hard due to noone caring If you've never tried PvP in EvE it's quite possible you've missed out on one of the greatest rushes available in modern gaming. |
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
3354
|
Posted - 2013.11.28 20:03:00 -
[81] - Quote
Ebs Tarmin wrote:Autopilot is broken -why don't CCP fix it?
-No experienced players use it. -The only players that do use it are newbies who don't know any better, and specialist haulers. -What's the point of having a game feature if nobody uses it?
The same could be said about level 1 missions. Or ratting in 0.8 belts. Or many other game mechanics.
Everything in this game has it's place.
That doesn't mean it's broken.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |

Anomaly One
72
|
Posted - 2013.11.29 11:34:00 -
[82] - Quote
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Can we just automate everything? I really hate sitting here and having to hit buttons when I could just log in and have a game play itself for me. Especially when the game is on a computer which is smarter and faster than me. Just have EVE make a ding or buzzer sound every now and then to let me know when I won or lost.
+1 "WE MADE COMPUTERS TO AUTOMATE OUR WORK WHY CAN'T I HAVE IT AUTOMATE MY GAME"
yea this argument was made in this thread.. *~~*running my own mission and have some class bully run up and blow me up because they think its funny, then give the excuses that I was just firing fireworks at you*~~* |

Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
197
|
Posted - 2013.11.29 18:21:00 -
[83] - Quote
Why couldn't they make a game that sucks less?
"Because they designed it to suck more, HTFU" |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17596
|
Posted - 2013.11.29 18:26:00 -
[84] - Quote
Jythier Smith wrote:Of course it's working as intended, I'm just wondering what intention behind it makes sense from a game design perspective that isn't nullified by the warp-to-0 button. The warp-to-0 button will not take you through 40 systems in a row while you do something else. It also won't auto-dock you when you use off-axis or insta-dock bookmarks.
There are plenty of uses for the autopilot. Quick travel just isn't one of them. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
197
|
Posted - 2013.11.29 18:31:00 -
[85] - Quote
You guys don't seem to understand where this is coming from so I'll give you the background.
I play a lot of board games.
In board game design, a lot of emphasis goes into making things easier to do in order to get down to the actual decisions in the game and let the components get out of the way. When a computer game that has the added bonus of being on a computer puts things in that makes you do things without making decisions, I don't really appreciate it. Any way of reducing this is good to me. I think putting stuff in like making me click a button every jump is just lazy design. Make there be an actual challenge or actual decision instead of just making me click a button. Farmville can do that. EVE should be above it, in my opinion. Obviously it's not shared by everyone. |

Ramona McCandless
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1163
|
Posted - 2013.11.29 18:33:00 -
[86] - Quote
Jythier Smith wrote:You guys don't seem to understand where this is coming from so I'll give you the background.
I play a lot of board games.
In board game design, a lot of emphasis goes into making things easier to do in order to get down to the actual decisions in the game and let the components get out of the way. When a computer game that has the added bonus of being on a computer puts things in that makes you do things without making decisions, I don't really appreciate it. Any way of reducing this is good to me. I think putting stuff in like making me click a button every jump is just lazy design. Make there be an actual challenge or actual decision instead of just making me click a button. Farmville can do that. EVE should be above it, in my opinion. Obviously it's not shared by everyone.
I play a lot of board games too
But what you are suggesting is tantamount to designing a board game that can play itself High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |

Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
197
|
Posted - 2013.11.29 18:39:00 -
[87] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:You guys don't seem to understand where this is coming from so I'll give you the background.
I play a lot of board games.
In board game design, a lot of emphasis goes into making things easier to do in order to get down to the actual decisions in the game and let the components get out of the way. When a computer game that has the added bonus of being on a computer puts things in that makes you do things without making decisions, I don't really appreciate it. Any way of reducing this is good to me. I think putting stuff in like making me click a button every jump is just lazy design. Make there be an actual challenge or actual decision instead of just making me click a button. Farmville can do that. EVE should be above it, in my opinion. Obviously it's not shared by everyone. I play a lot of board games too But what you are suggesting is tantamount to designing a board game that can play itself
No it isn't. The game in EVE is ship fits. Trading. Deciding where to go next. Setting prices. Deciding what BPs to buy and when to manufacture, and when to put them on the market. Etc. Decisions. Travel is NOT what EVE is about. Are people really saying it is? That would be ridiculous. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17596
|
Posted - 2013.11.29 18:39:00 -
[88] - Quote
Jythier Smith wrote:You guys don't seem to understand where this is coming from so I'll give you the background.
I play a lot of board games. GǪand thus you understand that a dice rolling app isn't the same thing as rolling dice. 
Quote:I think putting stuff in like making me click a button every jump is just lazy design. It doesn't make you do that. It's just beneficial to do under certain circumstances. It's another decision for you to make: do you want fast travel or do you want hands-off travel?
Quote:Travel is NOT what EVE is about. Sure it is. It's part of what keeps space vast. The fact that it takes you a long time to travel from one edge of the map to another, and that it takes even longer if you want the computer to do it for you, means that you pick your routes and areas of activity more carefully. Without the deliberate obstacle of travel, most of that space would serve no purpose and you might as well reduce the game to just a few key systems. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
197
|
Posted - 2013.11.29 18:40:00 -
[89] - Quote
Also, picking targets, etc, PVP stuff I don't really know about. Again - not traveling. Do people really log into EVE and think, "Man, I'm going to travel around in my spaceship and it's going to be AWESOME." If so, there's no argument that can help them. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17596
|
Posted - 2013.11.29 18:43:00 -
[90] - Quote
Jythier Smith wrote:Do people really log into EVE and think, "Man, I'm going to travel around in my spaceship and it's going to be AWESOME." Wrong way around. People log in and think Gǣman, I'm going to travel around in my spaceship and it's going to be horribleGǪGǥ so on second thoughts, they'll go for this content, close-by, rather than that other content all over at the other end of space.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
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Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
197
|
Posted - 2013.11.29 18:43:00 -
[91] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:You guys don't seem to understand where this is coming from so I'll give you the background.
I play a lot of board games. GǪand thus you understand that a dice rolling app isn't the same thing as rolling dice.  Quote:I think putting stuff in like making me click a button every jump is just lazy design. It doesn't make you do that. It's just beneficial to do under certain circumstances. It's another decision for you to make: do you want fast travel or do you want hands-off travel?
True enough. But false decisions are also lazy design. It's always 'better' to not use it, unless you're actually doing something else while traveling. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17596
|
Posted - 2013.11.29 18:46:00 -
[92] - Quote
Jythier Smith wrote:True enough. But false decisions are also lazy design. It's always 'better' to not use it Not even close. It's sometimes better to use it, and sometime it is better not to, and it's up to you to decide which is which.
This is not a false decision. It's a decision that can keep you safe or can kill you, and it's not always the same choice that leads to the same outcome. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
197
|
Posted - 2013.11.29 18:47:00 -
[93] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:Do people really log into EVE and think, "Man, I'm going to travel around in my spaceship and it's going to be AWESOME." Wrong way around. People log in and think Gǣman, I'm going to travel around in my spaceship and it's going to be horribleGǪGǥ so on second thoughts, they'll go for this content, close-by, rather than that other content all over at the other end of space.
Now we're getting somewhere.
So is this an important part of EVE worth keeping? If so then shouldn't we eliminate autopilot? |

Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
197
|
Posted - 2013.11.29 18:49:00 -
[94] - Quote
Hmm. I think I already know the answer to that question based on your last reply.
Anyway, this was a good conversation and I appreciate your knowledge of autopilot and how it can be better in some situations (knowledge I haven't acquired yet).
Thank you! |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17596
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Posted - 2013.11.29 18:50:00 -
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Jythier Smith wrote:So is this an important part of EVE worth keeping? If so then shouldn't we eliminate autopilot? What? That doesn't make any sense. 
That's the reason why it should stay in the game.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
197
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Posted - 2013.11.29 18:52:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Jythier Smith wrote:True enough. But false decisions are also lazy design. It's always 'better' to not use it Not even close. It's sometimes better to use it, and sometime it is better not to, and it's up to you to decide which is which. This is not a false decision. It's a decision that can keep you safe or can kill you, and it's not always the same choice that leads to the same outcome.
No, this is the reason why it should stay in the game. |

Ramona McCandless
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1163
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Posted - 2013.11.29 18:52:00 -
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Jythier Smith wrote:
Now we're getting somewhere.
So is this an important part of EVE worth keeping? If so then shouldn't we eliminate autopilot?
No you just are missing why it works the way it does
As far as I was aware, it was simply an anti-botting mechanism that made you click to travel efficiently.
I cant say it really bothers me
But then, neither does a lot of stuff people complain about.
I guess Im just too easy going
Ill address that in my next lecture;
"Now You Are a 5 Star Armour Cane Pilot, What Next?"
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17596
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Posted - 2013.11.29 18:56:00 -
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Jythier Smith wrote:No, this is the reason why it should stay in the game. They're the same reason. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Arduemont
The State of War.
2474
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Posted - 2013.11.29 19:07:00 -
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Where's the 'biomass' guy when you need him? "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |

Ebs Tarmin
Angels 0f Death
1
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Posted - 2013.11.30 00:57:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:[quote=Jythier Smith]
As far as I was aware, it was simply an anti-botting mechanism that made you click to travel efficiently.
-this makes sense. If true, why has it taken 97 replies for somebody to point this out?!
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