Autopilot is broken -why don't CCP fix it?

-No experienced players use it.
-They only players that do use it are newbies who don't know any better, and specialist haulers.
-What's the point of having a game feature if nobody uses it?
-Adjusting it so you warped to within (say) 5km of gates would make it a useful feature that people would actually use.


The only reason I can see for it being the way it is, is to make 'autopiloters' gankable (essentially: everybody else suffers so a handful of bored, killmail-obsessed, oldtimer trolls can gank folk).


I regularly have to do 'the Jita run' which involves 24+ jumps, having to right click 'Jump' on the gate in the Overview every time is just hassle. Why does it have to be this way?

Autopilot is broken -why don't CCP fix it?

-No experienced players use it.
-They only players that do use it are newbies who don't know any better, and specialist haulers.
-What's the point of having a game feature if nobody uses it?
-Adjusting it so you warped to within (say) 5km of gates would make it a useful feature that people would actually use.


The only reason I can see for it being the way it is, is to make 'autopiloters' gankable (essentially: everybody else suffers so a handful of bored, killmail-obsessed, oldtimer trolls can gank folk).


I regularly have to do 'the Jita run' which involves 24+ jumps, having to right click 'Jump' on the gate in the Overview every time is just hassle. Why does it have to be this way?

Autopilot is broken -why don't CCP fix it?

-No experienced players use it.
-They only players that do use it are newbies who don't know any better, and specialist haulers.
-What's the point of having a game feature if nobody uses it?
-Adjusting it so you warped to within (say) 5km of gates would make it a useful feature that people would actually use.


The only reason I can see for it being the way it is, is to make 'autopiloters' gankable (essentially: everybody else suffers so a handful of bored, killmail-obsessed, oldtimer trolls can gank folk).


I regularly have to do 'the Jita run' which involves 24+ jumps, having to right click 'Jump' on the gate in the Overview every time is just hassle. Why does it have to be this way?

I regularly have to do 'the Jita run' which involves 24+ jumps, having to right click 'Jump' on the gate in the Overview every time is just hassle. Why does it have to be this way?

you know there's a hotkey, right?

bind it to mouse3 or mouse4.

Stop right clicking, use the radial menu. Should lessen your issues.

Autopilot is broken -why don't CCP fix it?

-No experienced players use it.
-The only players that do use it are newbies who don't know any better, and specialist haulers.
-What's the point of having a game feature if nobody uses it?
-Adjusting it so you warped to within (say) 5km of gates would make it a useful feature that people would actually use.


The only reason I can see for it being the way it is, is to make 'autopiloters' gankable (essentially: everybody else suffers so a handful of bored, killmail-obsessed, oldtimer trolls can gank folk).


I regularly have to do 'the Jita run' which involves 24+ jumps, having to right click 'Jump' on the gate in the Overview every time is just hassle. Why does it have to be this way?

I've been playing 2 years and I AP all the time. Food, Shower, Family, Door, Phone. Or just plain don't feel like clicking and traveling long distances.

Nothing is wrong with AP. Keep it as it is.

Because CCP wants you to play the game, not click a button and come back in 30 minutes.

I've added you to the list, thanks.

The only reason I can see for it being the way it is, is to make 'autopiloters' gankable (essentially: everybody else suffers so a handful of bored, killmail-obsessed, oldtimer trolls can gank folk).

Because CCP wants you to play the game, not click a button and come back in 30 minutes.

Autopilot is broken -why don't CCP fix it?

-No experienced players use it.
-The only players that do use it are newbies who don't know any better, and specialist haulers.
-What's the point of having a game feature if nobody uses it?
-Adjusting it so you warped to within (say) 5km of gates would make it a useful feature that people would actually use.


The only reason I can see for it being the way it is, is to make 'autopiloters' gankable (essentially: everybody else suffers so a handful of bored, killmail-obsessed, oldtimer trolls can gank folk).


I regularly have to do 'the Jita run' which involves 24+ jumps, having to right click 'Jump' on the gate in the Overview every time is just hassle. Why does it have to be this way?

And for serious discussion: any ideas how to make task "move some cheap crap 20 jumps in freighter over high-sec" more interesting and "true-Eve style" game?

Use Red Frog. Nothing is more "true-Eve style" than paying someone else to do your dirty work. Well... except maybe ganking them while they do it.

However my question is wider: i ask not about me but about all players. It means i ask about Reg-Frog pilots too. Because using this service only solves boredom of hauling for me. But some RF pilot will deal with this boredom for my ISK (only if pilots of RF are humans and not bots but this is outside of this discussion)

-No experienced players use it.

I think autopilot should act exactly like clicking on each system on the overview and jumping as soon as you get into a new system.

If it did that, it would be a useful feature.

If they don't change it I won't be mad or anything but I believe that having a button that does better than autopilot makes autopilot mostly obsolete.

IE, I could go do something else while my ship traveled and if I came back to a pod, I would at least understand that there wasn't going to be much I could have done even if I had been manually piloting.

yea.
How people do this:
1) press 1 button ""jump" to next gate
2) put Eve Client window on back, switch to other window with pron or something
3) wait for animation of actual jumping, switch to Eve Client and repeat from step 1.

Why OP...

Hello There...

Autopilot is broken -why don't CCP fix it?
-No experienced players use it.

No, you're not going to get an autopilot that is as efficient as flying manually.

No, you're not going to be able to go AFK on autopilot and be immune to being ganked.

Faster travel makes the universe smaller, which we don't need. Indeed, if we need anything it is for travel to be even more dangerous than it is now, so as to keep you from being so bored.

There, problem solved.

They should rename autopilot to deathtrap pilot. Indeed a useless game tool.

I use my programming skills to automate stuff all the time.

As for wanting the game to play itself... is there really a difference here?

What you appear to be missing is where the 'fun' is in EVE.

I'm sorry you want your entertainment to suck.

So EVE sucks then?

In that case, can I have your stuff?

Contract sent.

Stuff gratefully received.

If you use AP at all then it is you who are broken, not the game.

damn I remember when there was no warp-to-zero and everyone had to slowboat to gates or create/buy bm's for every gate. Now you want it to be even easier. Maybe in a few more patches, there will be so much automation, you won't even have to login anymore.

Autopilot is like Abortion

Better to have it and not need it than need it and



NOT HAVE IT

Technically, I don't have to log in now.

damn I remember when there was no warp-to-zero and everyone had to slowboat to gates or create/buy bm's for every gate. Now you want it to be even easier. Maybe in a few more patches, there will be so much automation, you won't even have to login anymore.

I think you should take advantage of that feature immediately.

No it isn't.

OH yes it is

You're so right, what was I thinking to even disagree at all?

remember when AP was really broken and sent everyone to rancer. :p

Its ok

A lot of people think they disagree with me

But really

I know they dont

Dont worry cutie

I still

Think you're tops xxx

Sorry babe, I like my girls with McCands.

I use my programming skills to automate stuff all the time.

I do this because when I do it, it does things better and quicker and with less mistakes than manual operation.

So autopilot doing a job that I could program a bot to do instead (hit jump button on system change) and the bot that I programmed would do it better. It's an incorrect game design decision, because those who really care will sit there and manually jump (as I do). So I'm not asking for any safety, I'm asking for autopilot to be an automatic pilot, not an automatic idiot.

As for wanting the game to play itself... is there really a difference here? I've set destination, and all I do is go into the game and press 'jump' every system as opposed to not having to do that. That's the difference here. I'm NOT ACTUALLY PLAYING A GAME. The decisions that make up the gamespace have already been made - I'm going to wherever. That's set. What you're asking me to do is sit there and babysit a game that really doesn't need it with a very small tweak. Once the decision is made, why can't I have a computer (my gosh, we've invented those in real life that work better!) do the grunt work of pressing 'jump' every system change? Is that really too much to ask in a computer game?

What you appear to be missing is where the 'fun' is in EVE. I'm guessing, pressing the 'jump' button 15 times isn't fun for most people. Why are you so opposed to ditching that?

-Thankyou, a voice of reason in a sea of fuzzy logic. I would love to see a dev's reply to this post...

-Thankyou, a voice of reason in a sea of fuzzy logic. I would love to see a dev's reply to this post...

Because CCP wants you to play the game, not click a button and come back in 30 minutes.

Autopilot is broken -why don't CCP fix it?

-No experienced players use it.
-The only players that do use it are newbies who don't know any better, and specialist haulers.
-What's the point of having a game feature if nobody uses it?

Can we just automate everything? I really hate sitting here and having to hit buttons when I could just log in and have a game play itself for me. Especially when the game is on a computer which is smarter and faster than me. Just have EVE make a ding or buzzer sound every now and then to let me know when I won or lost.

Of course it's working as intended, I'm just wondering what intention behind it makes sense from a game design perspective that isn't nullified by the warp-to-0 button.

You guys don't seem to understand where this is coming from so I'll give you the background.

I play a lot of board games.

In board game design, a lot of emphasis goes into making things easier to do in order to get down to the actual decisions in the game and let the components get out of the way. When a computer game that has the added bonus of being on a computer puts things in that makes you do things without making decisions, I don't really appreciate it. Any way of reducing this is good to me. I think putting stuff in like making me click a button every jump is just lazy design. Make there be an actual challenge or actual decision instead of just making me click a button. Farmville can do that. EVE should be above it, in my opinion. Obviously it's not shared by everyone.

I play a lot of board games too

But what you are suggesting is tantamount to designing a board game that can play itself

You guys don't seem to understand where this is coming from so I'll give you the background.

I play a lot of board games.

I think putting stuff in like making me click a button every jump is just lazy design.

Travel is NOT what EVE is about.

Do people really log into EVE and think, "Man, I'm going to travel around in my spaceship and it's going to be AWESOME."

GǪand thus you understand that a dice rolling app isn't the same thing as rolling dice.

It doesn't make you do that. It's just beneficial to do under certain circumstances. It's another decision for you to make: do you want fast travel or do you want hands-off travel?

True enough. But false decisions are also lazy design. It's always 'better' to not use it

Wrong way around.
People log in and think Gǣman, I'm going to travel around in my spaceship and it's going to be horribleGǪGǥ so on second thoughts, they'll go for this content, close-by, rather than that other content all over at the other end of space.

So is this an important part of EVE worth keeping? If so then shouldn't we eliminate autopilot?

Not even close. It's sometimes better to use it, and sometime it is better not to, and it's up to you to decide which is which.

This is not a false decision. It's a decision that can keep you safe or can kill you, and it's not always the same choice that leads to the same outcome.

Now we're getting somewhere.

So is this an important part of EVE worth keeping? If so then shouldn't we eliminate autopilot?

No, this is the reason why it should stay in the game.

[quote=Jythier Smith]

As far as I was aware, it was simply an anti-botting mechanism that made you click to travel efficiently.