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Tony Fats
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Posted - 2006.02.27 07:35:00 -
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1) Train up regular learnings to 3.
2) Train fun stuff, make money, enjoy yourself.
3) When you save up 25 mil, say goodbye to your friends, say you're takin 2 month break.
4) Sign up for WoW and enjoy yourself for 2 months.
5) With the adv learnings done, you can finally have some fun in Eve, since people here seem to think that speding 1/200th of your life before you can do fun stuff in video games makes you a "mature gamer."
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Tony Fats
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Posted - 2006.02.27 07:35:00 -
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1) Train up regular learnings to 3.
2) Train fun stuff, make money, enjoy yourself.
3) When you save up 25 mil, say goodbye to your friends, say you're takin 2 month break.
4) Sign up for WoW and enjoy yourself for 2 months.
5) With the adv learnings done, you can finally have some fun in Eve, since people here seem to think that speding 1/200th of your life before you can do fun stuff in video games makes you a "mature gamer."
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Tony Fats
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Posted - 2006.02.27 07:35:00 -
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1) Train up regular learnings to 3.
2) Train fun stuff, make money, enjoy yourself.
3) When you save up 25 mil, say goodbye to your friends, say you're takin 2 month break.
4) Sign up for WoW and enjoy yourself for 2 months.
5) With the adv learnings done, you can finally have some fun in Eve, since people here seem to think that speding 1/200th of your life before you can do fun stuff in video games makes you a "mature gamer."
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Tony Fats
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Posted - 2006.02.27 07:35:00 -
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1) Train up regular learnings to 3.
2) Train fun stuff, make money, enjoy yourself.
3) When you save up 25 mil, say goodbye to your friends, say you're takin 2 month break.
4) Sign up for WoW and enjoy yourself for 2 months.
5) With the adv learnings done, you can finally have some fun in Eve, since people here seem to think that speding 1/200th of your life before you can do fun stuff in video games makes you a "mature gamer."
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Tony Fats
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Posted - 2006.02.27 07:35:00 -
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1) Train up regular learnings to 3.
2) Train fun stuff, make money, enjoy yourself.
3) When you save up 25 mil, say goodbye to your friends, say you're takin 2 month break.
4) Sign up for WoW and enjoy yourself for 2 months.
5) With the adv learnings done, you can finally have some fun in Eve, since people here seem to think that speding 1/200th of your life before you can do fun stuff in video games makes you a "mature gamer."
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Tony Fats
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Posted - 2006.02.27 07:35:00 -
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1) Train up regular learnings to 3.
2) Train fun stuff, make money, enjoy yourself.
3) When you save up 25 mil, say goodbye to your friends, say you're takin 2 month break.
4) Sign up for WoW and enjoy yourself for 2 months.
5) With the adv learnings done, you can finally have some fun in Eve, since people here seem to think that speding 1/200th of your life before you can do fun stuff in video games makes you a "mature gamer."
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Tony Fats
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Posted - 2006.02.27 07:35:00 -
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1) Train up regular learnings to 3.
2) Train fun stuff, make money, enjoy yourself.
3) When you save up 25 mil, say goodbye to your friends, say you're takin 2 month break.
4) Sign up for WoW and enjoy yourself for 2 months.
5) With the adv learnings done, you can finally have some fun in Eve, since people here seem to think that speding 1/200th of your life before you can do fun stuff in video games makes you a "mature gamer."
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Tony Fats
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Posted - 2006.02.27 07:35:00 -
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1) Train up regular learnings to 3.
2) Train fun stuff, make money, enjoy yourself.
3) When you save up 25 mil, say goodbye to your friends, say you're takin 2 month break.
4) Sign up for WoW and enjoy yourself for 2 months.
5) With the adv learnings done, you can finally have some fun in Eve, since people here seem to think that speding 1/200th of your life before you can do fun stuff in video games makes you a "mature gamer."
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Tony Fats
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Posted - 2006.02.27 07:35:00 -
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1) Train up regular learnings to 3.
2) Train fun stuff, make money, enjoy yourself.
3) When you save up 25 mil, say goodbye to your friends, say you're takin 2 month break.
4) Sign up for WoW and enjoy yourself for 2 months.
5) With the adv learnings done, you can finally have some fun in Eve, since people here seem to think that speding 1/200th of your life before you can do fun stuff in video games makes you a "mature gamer."
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Tony Fats
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Posted - 2006.02.27 07:35:00 -
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1) Train up regular learnings to 3.
2) Train fun stuff, make money, enjoy yourself.
3) When you save up 25 mil, say goodbye to your friends, say you're takin 2 month break.
4) Sign up for WoW and enjoy yourself for 2 months.
5) With the adv learnings done, you can finally have some fun in Eve, since people here seem to think that speding 1/200th of your life before you can do fun stuff in video games makes you a "mature gamer."
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Tony Fats
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Posted - 2006.02.27 07:35:00 -
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1) Train up regular learnings to 3.
2) Train fun stuff, make money, enjoy yourself.
3) When you save up 25 mil, say goodbye to your friends, say you're takin 2 month break.
4) Sign up for WoW and enjoy yourself for 2 months.
5) With the adv learnings done, you can finally have some fun in Eve, since people here seem to think that speding 1/200th of your life before you can do fun stuff in video games makes you a "mature gamer."
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Tony Fats
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Posted - 2006.02.27 07:35:00 -
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1) Train up regular learnings to 3.
2) Train fun stuff, make money, enjoy yourself.
3) When you save up 25 mil, say goodbye to your friends, say you're takin 2 month break.
4) Sign up for WoW and enjoy yourself for 2 months.
5) With the adv learnings done, you can finally have some fun in Eve, since people here seem to think that speding 1/200th of your life before you can do fun stuff in video games makes you a "mature gamer."
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Tony Fats
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Posted - 2006.02.27 07:35:00 -
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1) Train up regular learnings to 3.
2) Train fun stuff, make money, enjoy yourself.
3) When you save up 25 mil, say goodbye to your friends, say you're takin 2 month break.
4) Sign up for WoW and enjoy yourself for 2 months.
5) With the adv learnings done, you can finally have some fun in Eve, since people here seem to think that speding 1/200th of your life before you can do fun stuff in video games makes you a "mature gamer."
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Ahop Yol
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Posted - 2006.02.27 14:05:00 -
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Spending a long time training up advanced learning skills is not mandatory to play the game. It is an OPTIONAL task that will give you an advantage over players who do not have the skills - exactly the same as training BS5 and Tech 2 guns, or NOT if you don't want to.
Even if you do decide spending the 2 months is worth it - you don't have to do it right at the very start of your characters' life - nor are you expected to. You can do it AFTER you've got some basics so that you are not just waiting around for 2 months with no skills to play the game.
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Xori Ruscuv
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Posted - 2006.02.27 18:54:00 -
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Your proposal is based on the concept of World of Warcraft being "fun".
It isn't.
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Malena
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Posted - 2006.02.27 19:22:00 -
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How is grinding through killing the same thing over and over again praying you can find the next decent spawn point at least slightly open instead of totally camped "fun"?
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Mudkest
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Posted - 2006.02.27 19:39:00 -
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dont bother with advanced learning skills till you start training a number of level 5's, or high ranking level 4 skills.
get character mnager, or calculate how long it will take to train those skills. then see how long it will take if you train learning skills first. you'll probably end up begind done faster if you train to 3 advanced from 4 basic, and spend about the same time total if you take them up to 4 advanced. not worth the trouble getting them up to 4 advanced if all you train is level3 skills with the incidental level4 imo. when I was flying retriever it would take about 40 days to trian mining barges to level5 for covetor. training learning skills to 4 advanced first(per and will from 4 basic) and then mining barges to 5 took me 41 days. so that was a nice sign for me to get my learning skills to advanced 4.(int and mem were done allreafy as I needed some level 4's and 5's for barges as well)
yes, training them to 3 advanced would probably be a few days faster, but 30 days or 40, I took the effort of getting them to 4 right away. otherwise I'd probably wouldnt find the 1 point increase worth the 3-4 days training time later on 
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Rosenkranz
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Posted - 2006.02.27 19:49:00 -
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I don't understand some newbs think they have to hide under a rock and train up the learning skills to uber levels before training anything else.
I know I trained up most of mine to at least 3 before just about anything else, but after that i trained up other stuff untill the training times took more than 2 days. Then I started alternating from play skills to learning skills.
Mean while, I'm only 45 days old and flying well fitted cruisers. I can hunt rats or run level 2 missions in my Cara. I can mine fairly decently in my Ossy. I can even haul if I feel like it in my badger ii. I play with quickfit to plan future loadouts and future ships i'm gonna fly. I have a blast really.
If I really felt like doing PvP, I'm sure I could join a 0.0 corp and pretty well jump right in. I'd probably die a lot at first but hey, you gotta get used to that anyway at some point if you PvP.
I dunno. Just have fun and don't let yourself get boxed into a play style that bores you do death.
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2006.02.27 19:53:00 -
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how about
1) realise eve is about teamwork co-operation and so much more than skillpoints or flying a bs
thats all 
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Andreask14
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Posted - 2006.02.27 23:20:00 -
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"Teamwork" can lead to situation where it is mandatory that you, as a low-sp character, camp a single Jump-Gate in 0.0 for 3 hours staright to prevent enemies from jumping in and attacking your friends, who are flying giant ships of war, caled Dreadnaughts, that take a measly 3 hours while they stay ato one place lasting away at an enemy Station that has no chance to defeat them.
All you, the draed pilots and the rest of the support fleet of 100 pilots have to do is wait for half a day in that system, until the POS is out of "reinfoced mode" to finally kill it. During all that time you never had to press more thatn 3 key/button combinations, which are namely the Orbit button, the Lock Key/Mouse combination and the Warp-Scrambler Button.
While you wait at the gate you also wait for your cruiser skill to finihs level 4 so you can wait for the bs-skill to reach level 2. You may also want to wait until all the learnings have finished, ut scince you are waiting at gates anyway, why not wait for skills also?
Wait for NPCs to spawn, wait for LP-Limits to be reached via Grinding, wait for Enemies to not flee to a safe-spot and log off whenever you engage them, wait for skill, wait for Ore to be mined, then wait some more.
The Devs say, that most players quit EvE after 7 month. I bet those players got tired of waiting for EvE to become a fun game.
No, you cant have my stuff. Wait, you actually can have my stuff, if oyu do me the favor and engage in PvP.
Oh wait, i for got to mention that PvP is about waiting until the tank of the enemy is worn down, then you wait until you have killed him.
EvE is about waiting, its a game of patience. If you are not patient enough to train the adv. learnings, this game is definately not for you.
Oh, and dont come to think that the waiting will get less, or be over at one point, even 2 years from now, you will still wait for Skills, Enemies, Ore, Wares, Players, Timers, NPCs, LPs BPOs ...
In EvE you have the total freedom to do everyting you want, just unfortunately not at the time and pace you want.IF being patient is your understanding of entertainment, EvE is for you. If you complain about the learning skills, you have not understood EvE. But as soon as you do understand EvE you wwouldnt want to play it anymore.
I think everyday-life has a lot more speed, thrill, progression and interaction than this game, now if only i would invest as much time in my RL as i invested here.
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blik
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Posted - 2006.02.28 00:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Andreask14
EvE is about waiting, its a game of patience. If you are not patient enough to train the adv. learnings, this game is definately not for you.
Oh, and dont come to think that the waiting will get less, or be over at one point, even 2 years from now, you will still wait for Skills, Enemies, Ore, Wares, Players, Timers, NPCs, LPs BPOs ...
In EvE you have the total freedom to do everyting you want, just unfortunately not at the time and pace you want.IF being patient is your understanding of entertainment, EvE is for you. If you complain about the learning skills, you have not understood EvE. But as soon as you do understand EvE you wwouldnt want to play it anymore.
I think everyday-life has a lot more speed, thrill, progression and interaction than this game, now if only i would invest as much time in my RL as i invested here.
still, this makes eve pretty much perfect for me.
I don't have time to play a great deal. RL eats up most of that whether it is work, friends or even the gym (damn you gym).
I don't introduce everyone I know into the game because I know some of their tastes. I do tell like minded/life minded people about it though.
With eve, even if I can't grind 8 hours a day I can still progress. That's what I like about it and that is probably why I will be here for a while.
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Pang Grohl
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Posted - 2006.02.28 01:14:00 -
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Alternatively you could play around with everything that looks cool ATM :P.
IMO level 4&5 Learning skils are for when you're stuck at work and can't enjoy playing EVE anyway :(
Show me a "mature" gamer & I'll show you a gamer who stopped gaming 5 years ago :)
Pang
Forum: A place where ideas come to prove their worth.
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Alexis DeTocqueville
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Posted - 2006.02.28 02:07:00 -
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EVE's slow pace isn't for everyone. As a college student I can't really afford to get bogged down in mindless grinding when I have papers due. So EVE is perfect for me.....45 jump trip? I'll set myself on autopilot and go read Contract Law while I'm waiting.
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Yossar
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Posted - 2006.02.28 03:18:00 -
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Originally by: Malena
How is grinding through killing the same thing over and over again praying you can find the next decent spawn point at least slightly open instead of totally camped "fun"?
I can't tell if you're talking about WoW or EVE.
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Tony Fats
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Posted - 2006.02.28 06:19:00 -
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Originally by: Yossar
Originally by: Malena
How is grinding through killing the same thing over and over again praying you can find the next decent spawn point at least slightly open instead of totally camped "fun"?
I can't tell if you're talking about WoW or EVE.
ROFL
Standard answers here I see.
1) "You don't need to train learning." Yeah right.
2) "You don't need SP." Yeah right.
3) "Waiting is part of the fun." Yeah right.
4) "WoW sucks because you kill the same thing over and over." I guess you never go ratting for money.
5) "Waiting is how we keep the morons out of our game." Yeah I agree, lets make the game even more boring, it should filter out most of the people in Jita.
6) "I hope they add elite learning skills." Translation : I have 40 million skillpoints and 600 mil worth of implants in my head. I don't need to pvp to get the shakes, I get them just from undocking in highsec.
"boom HEADSHOT"
gg
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.02.28 09:04:00 -
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Originally by: Tony Fats
Originally by: Yossar
Originally by: Malena
How is grinding through killing the same thing over and over again praying you can find the next decent spawn point at least slightly open instead of totally camped "fun"?
I can't tell if you're talking about WoW or EVE.
ROFL
Standard answers here I see.
1) "You don't need to train learning." Yeah right.
2) "You don't need SP." Yeah right.
3) "Waiting is part of the fun." Yeah right.
4) "WoW sucks because you kill the same thing over and over." I guess you never go ratting for money.
5) "Waiting is how we keep the morons out of our game." Yeah I agree, lets make the game even more boring, it should filter out most of the people in Jita.
6) "I hope they add elite learning skills." Translation : I have 40 million skillpoints and 600 mil worth of implants in my head. I don't need to pvp to get the shakes, I get them just from undocking in highsec.
"boom HEADSHOT"
gg
Oveurs blog makes you look like a complete fool, you base everything on the assumption there's loads of 40mil chars. While there's under 5000 people with more then 30mil.
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A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2006.02.28 10:23:00 -
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Step 1 to make EVE fun.
Realise that 'optimal training rates' are not a big deal.
Training up learning speeds other skill learning. However, training up Frigate 3 _now_ means you can have fun whilst you're learning learning.
So keep learning skills above other skills, and you'll do fine. By the time you're training L5s, the 8 days that learning skill 5 takes, followed by the 4 or so to get 4 levels of advanced learning isn't a big deal.
It really really isn't about SPs. SPs come into it as prerequisites, or if you go head to head in an identical ship/fitting. I have quite a few now. And I can fly a lot of different ship classes. But I still can't fly any of them 'perfectly'. And I still win fights in them, which is far more about fittings, tactics and teamwork than about sps.
This is exactly the way an MMO should work. Advantage to 'levelling' but far more for co-operating with other players.
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Yeux Gris
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Posted - 2006.02.28 13:44:00 -
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ok speaking on behalf on a fellow corpie...
training to advanced learning lvl 5 right away may be boring BUT!
16m sp at one year old with +4 imps makes a huge difference.
this chr is nearly 30m sp and climbing FAST!
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Tony Fats
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Posted - 2006.02.28 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Gariuys
Originally by: Tony Fats
Originally by: Yossar
Originally by: Malena
How is grinding through killing the same thing over and over again praying you can find the next decent spawn point at least slightly open instead of totally camped "fun"?
I can't tell if you're talking about WoW or EVE.
ROFL
Standard answers here I see.
1) "You don't need to train learning." Yeah right.
2) "You don't need SP." Yeah right.
3) "Waiting is part of the fun." Yeah right.
4) "WoW sucks because you kill the same thing over and over." I guess you never go ratting for money.
5) "Waiting is how we keep the morons out of our game." Yeah I agree, lets make the game even more boring, it should filter out most of the people in Jita.
6) "I hope they add elite learning skills." Translation : I have 40 million skillpoints and 600 mil worth of implants in my head. I don't need to pvp to get the shakes, I get them just from undocking in highsec.
"boom HEADSHOT"
gg
Oveurs blog makes you look like a complete fool, you base everything on the assumption there's loads of 40mil chars. While there's under 5000 people with more then 30mil.
Oveur's blog proves one thing.
That alot of people are quitting the game at around the 7 month mark.
But who knows. Maybe they're just playing WoW while training their adv learning.
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Malena Panic
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Posted - 2006.02.28 19:40:00 -
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I can't be the only one who's noticed this:
Mem and Int help the Learning skill tree AND Electronics AND Engineering AND Mechanic, three essential skill trees for flying ships. High Mem and Int will help you train Perception learning skills, which will get you fast training times on Drones AND Navigation.
I see no reason to do ALL the learning skills FIRST and only then start training everything else!
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Arakasai
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Posted - 2006.02.28 20:07:00 -
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Oooo I think I will go start a third thread on this.
Eve is not an "instant gratification" game so it tends to attract/retain more mature players. I rather like that about the game myself.
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DenBrown
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Posted - 2006.10.08 09:52:00 -
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READ THIS!
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DenBrown
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Posted - 2006.10.08 09:56:00 -
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READ THIS!
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Zaldo
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.10.08 11:57:00 -
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I train a learning skill when Evemon says i need to,not a second before.Doing fine that way..
Zaldoc...Miner
Zaldoza..Mission Runner
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Acceber Reuabnehel
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Posted - 2006.10.08 12:07:00 -
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Check out my post concerning learning skills, and how a Tier 3 learning set would HELP people that play for 1 year or longer, and actually let the 'instant gratification' people get 2-3 months 'ahead' in useful skills.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=401255
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Dux Dar
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Posted - 2006.10.08 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: Malena
How is grinding through killing the same thing over and over again praying you can find the next decent spawn point at least slightly open instead of totally camped "fun"?
Im confused... are you talking abouth wow or belt ratting here?
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James Saumerez
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Posted - 2006.10.08 13:03:00 -
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When I first started playing eve I read all the advice about training learning skills and I believed it to be completely logical and true.
I ignored it anyway. I trained a couple levels of a couple learning skills and then trained the things that looked interesting to me. I now have the 4 major learning skills at advanced 3. I might go further some day or I might not. No Rat I was shooting at ever cared how advanced my learning skills were.
Correct me if I am wrong but to get the basic learning skills to level 5 takes a month or so (the perception, will, Intelligence and memory skills)? Maybe a little less?
The advanced skills cost 4.5 million each?
If you spend the entire first month training learning skills you will not be able to fly a ship capable of earning the money for the advanced learning skills. Good luck earning 18 million isk by mining and ratting in an ibis with no skills!
Whenever I hear someone whining about how they spent the first 2 months training learning skills I wonder if they bought the isk from IGE or EBAY.
Seriously, if you can not find anything fun to do in Eve then you are spending too much time B'ching on message boards and surfing ebay and too little time playing the game.
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Mike Yagon
Minmatar
The Nest
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.08 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Zaldo
I train a learning skill when Evemon says i need to,not a second before.Doing fine that way..
You just necrod an 8 month old thread. Did EVEMon tell you to do that too? 
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Tar Ancalimon
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Posted - 2006.10.08 23:16:00 -
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Actually I'm betting our friend Mr. Brown from last night resurrected this thread when he went spamming mad.
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MaidMarion
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Posted - 2006.10.09 12:30:00 -
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Edited by: MaidMarion on 09/10/2006 12:30:55
Originally by: Tony Fats
1) Train up regular learnings to 3.
2) Train fun stuff, make money, enjoy yourself.
3) When you save up 25 mil, say goodbye to your friends, say you're takin 2 month break.
4) Sign up for WoW and enjoy yourself for 2 months.
5) With the adv learnings done, you can finally have some fun in Eve, since people here seem to think that speding 1/200th of your life before you can do fun stuff in video games makes you a "mature gamer."
I'd say..
1) train learning skills to 3.
2) train something you can do to make isk (any profession)
3) once you are doing something and are comfortable doing it (wether it be lv1/2 missions / high sec mining etc etc) then start training the higher level learning skills because you kno you will eventually. You dont have to do them all at once u know.
4) train higher skills, better ships, etc etc etc
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Lysanter
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Posted - 2006.10.09 14:32:00 -
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Posted - 2006.10.09 16:29:00 -
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