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themule
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Posted - 2006.02.27 22:35:00 -
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Down with stabs!
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Nira Li
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Posted - 2006.02.27 22:40:00 -
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Yeh down with stabs
Just kill everyone and warp out or die trying 
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OrangeAfroMan
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Posted - 2006.02.27 23:13:00 -
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 Originally by: Archilies
Theres nothing wrong with using stabs, their an important part of eve , and an important part of ship set ups. for those that say their for wimps, remember:
'It's better to run, and come back to fight another day than to drop dead like a 4 horned donkey'
Sun Tzu
nullMy own version of his statement
Ya it'll be fun when you do come back to fight them and you are close to killing them then they warp away
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Daikatana00
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Posted - 2006.02.27 23:15:00 -
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You all are just mad because you are armor tanks and can actually use those low slots  . WCS are what the Caldari get because we can't put up a good defense and do our e-warfare at the same time. Don't complain, just train a ship made for them like the Raven.
Hit and run FTW.
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Anti AntiPirate
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Posted - 2006.02.28 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Daikatana00
You all are just mad because you are armor tanks and can actually use those low slots . WCS are what the Caldari get because we can't put up a good defense and do our e-warfare at the same time. Don't complain, just train a ship made for them like the Raven.
Hit and run FTW.
Make stabs midslot mods :P fix those ravens right up.
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.02.28 01:06:00 -
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gheyest thread ever.
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Jhonen Senraedi
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Posted - 2006.02.28 02:18:00 -
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Yeah..I say we ban stabs....but only if
Warp Scramblers are also banned
Indies get 10 times the shields and armour they currently have.
Most of you seem to want to ban stabs because it takes away from your fun..hmm..how about the fun your taking away from someone in an unarmed or as near as dammit...Indy that moves like a slug?
The game is for everyone to enjoy in their own way..not just your's..but then again stabs are probably about as fair as a gang of 3 or more all taking down a Badger etc.Tough kills those.
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Skoodwask
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Posted - 2006.02.28 03:26:00 -
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Originally by: tiller
Edited by: tiller on 27/02/2006 14:35:21
Originally by: Skoodwask
WCS are a losing strat. When you fit them you might as well say, I'm not going to win the fight. If you fit WCS you sarcrifice power for safety. Only people afriad to lose there ships fit them.
If your afraid to lose your ship you probably can't afford to lose it. If you can't afford to lose it you shouldn't fly it.
Really m8, don't post unless you've thought things through. On a average gate camp solo maybe I'll kill 2-3 BS, a couple of HACS and a ton of other assorted ships totalling say 20-30. Thats in a couple of hours. Now I'm guessing thats more than you kill in a wk. Just a guess mind you....
Do you think killing in those kind of quanitys increases the risk of losing my own ship in the process ?, do you think anyone who kills for a living in eve could sustain a loss every day ?
think, then post :)
ps: I'm not bigging myself up, any fool can kill people.. staying alive long enough to do again, again and again, day in day out is the trick. Stabs are a tool to help me do what I enjoy.
Nah I kill loads of people. Ya I thought it through, I could have a larger kill/lose ratio if I used stabs. But I wouldn't get as many kills.
If I sacrificed my tank I may lose the fight, thus the kill and any good loot on it.
I prefer mass amounts of kills to safety. And no im not extremely rich, I make just enough to get by buy my next ship and go kill some more. I'm probably poor compared to most pvper's. But losing a ship doesnt bother me at all as long as I have fun losing it.
As a side note, Losing it to an alliance blob does bother me a bit but no amount of stabs could save me from that I don't think.
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.02.28 05:08:00 -
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Stabs are fine in pricipal. Even fighting with one or two stabs on, I can see in many cases. Though personally I think its to easy to do so now, and a change is needed.
Not to mention thier counter, scramblers. Use cap, have a very limited range, well under the tracking of many guns. Require a lock, a mid slot (more important then lows) etc etc. Not to mention they don't actually counter stabs, in many cases, as you need stabs +1 worht of strenght to stop a ship.
Not to mention, being able to fit out your entire lows with stabs means there's not a single set up in the game that can reliably counter it. Take a geddon with 8 stabs, as of current there exists no ship that can kill that geddon solo. (yes I know you can fit out a scorp with 5 7.5km scramblers, but actually being able to use them requires either a ton of luck or a second pilot) Which frankly isn't balanced at all, when you know someone exact fitting, and can not, in any way set up your ship to counter said fitting.
The solution most propossed here is, 'bring more friends' Well tbh, thats the stupidest way to balance a game I have ever heard. If the game were changed tommorow so that apoc's were winning 2v1's with ease, do you think that tomb saying 'well bring three people' would be acceptable? Such is the case today with stabs, in many aspects.
Now I'm not even sure how to change stabs in order for them to still be useable in a simular fashion, yet not be as usable in pvp as they are today. I've heard some good suggestions, but a change to a mode wildly used by a large portion of the player base (which is anouther indication of unbalance) needs to be addressed with the utmost caution.
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Necromancer D
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Posted - 2006.02.28 05:29:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Its quite funny, because in the ISSN we *never* fit WCS to our PvP setups, but 80%+ of the pirates we encounter have them fitted.
And we're the ones accused of being carebears!
using WCS doesn't make you a carebear, nor does not fitting them make you not a carebear.
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Lady Amira
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Posted - 2006.02.28 06:07:00 -
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Originally by: Atom HeartMother
Stabs Make Babey Jesus CRY
I don't care .. I'm an atheist 
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.02.28 06:45:00 -
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Originally by: Atom HeartMother
Stabs Make Babey Jesus CRY
If jesus played eve he would fit stabs, so that statement is false.
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Phelan Boots
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Posted - 2006.02.28 07:04:00 -
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If jesus played eve he would fit stabs, so that statement is false.
Jesus is totally a carebear...
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pshepherd
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Posted - 2006.02.28 09:12:00 -
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Originally by: Phelan Boots
Jesus is totally a carebear...
true, true 
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2006.02.28 09:29:00 -
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Edited by: Arcticblue2 on 28/02/2006 09:34:00
Or as Mel Gibson once said... "He who runs away, may run away another day"
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Ginger Magician
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Posted - 2006.02.28 09:58:00 -
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People used to whine so much about me using stabs in the old curse alliance days - now it is commonplace.
Anyway if u want to blame anyone for the current widespread use of wcs I guess I was the father of it.
But as been posted here and people have finally come to realise they dont gimp your setup enough to make a huge difference,tbey enable u to survive many fights u would otherwise have lost your ship in and most importantly are one of the few valid tactics that can be used against cowardly carebear blob squads.
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Alliaanna Dalaii
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Posted - 2006.02.28 10:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ginger Magician
Anyway if u want to blame anyone for the current widespread use of wcs I guess I was the father of it.
Aye your great and amazing wisdom caused CCP to make a counter to the Scrambler.... Oh no wait 
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hired goon
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Posted - 2006.02.28 12:15:00 -
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Fighting someone with WCS on is like being around an annoying child.
You want to punch the stupid kid in the face but you just can't.
-omg-
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Sluggish
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Posted - 2006.02.28 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ginger Magician
and most importantly are one of the few valid tactics that can be used against cowardly carebear blob squads.
What a joke, i have seen you run from every non noob who has challenged you in the last month and it probably does gimp your setup as you use 5 or 6 of them |
Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2006.02.28 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: hired goon
Fighting someone with WCS on is like being around an annoying child.
You want to punch the stupid kid in the face but you just can't.
QFT
I dont fit stabs because I have to much of an ego to believe that anything out there can beat me
And Wrangler > j00 -Eldo
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Cvuos
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Posted - 2006.02.28 13:36:00 -
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 Warp scramblers are modules, not civil rights
Whining about someone not fighting on your terms is the worst kind of whining
Whining about someone whining about someone not fighting on their terms is perfectly ok
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pshepherd
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Posted - 2006.02.28 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Cvuos
Whining about someone whining about someone not fighting on their terms is perfectly ok
what about whining about someone whose whining about someone whose whining? 
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.02.28 14:00:00 -
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Actually there is one setup I use which requires 7 stabs :p
But for serious armour tankers, they are a waste of slots, plain and simple.
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Kaeten
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Posted - 2006.02.28 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: zincol
2x WCS is Standard PVP setup these days.
or not... (chickens standard pvp setup more like)
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2006.02.28 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Cvuos
Warp scramblers are modules, not civil rights
 Dont be silly
Quote:
Whining about someone not fighting on your terms is the worst kind of whining
Whining is just whining, there is no scale
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Whining about someone whining about someone not fighting on their terms is perfectly ok
Your right its perfectly ok for an idiot to whine, and thats how you get away with it
You forgot to add that placing "thought" icons around badly thought out whines makes them seem more impressive
When you add it, I will quote it and state why that makes you look like a whining idiot.
And Wrangler > j00 -Eldo
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2006.02.28 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Ginger Magician
People used to whine so much about me using stabs in the old curse alliance days - now it is commonplace.
Anyway if u want to blame anyone for the current widespread use of wcs I guess I was the father of it.
But as been posted here and people have finally come to realise they dont gimp your setup enough to make a huge difference,tbey enable u to survive many fights u would otherwise have lost your ship in and most importantly are one of the few valid tactics that can be used against cowardly carebear blob squads.
Yes ginger, your the forefather of everything dumb and unsophisticated
And Wrangler > j00 -Eldo
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Cvuos
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Posted - 2006.02.28 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Tenacha Khan
You forgot to add that placing "thought" icons around badly thought out whines makes them seem more impressive
You're right, I did forget that. Thanks for mentioning.
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Crusher166
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Posted - 2006.02.28 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tenacha Khan
Originally by: Ginger Magician
People used to whine so much about me using stabs in the old curse alliance days - now it is commonplace.
Anyway if u want to blame anyone for the current widespread use of wcs I guess I was the father of it.
But as been posted here and people have finally come to realise they dont gimp your setup enough to make a huge difference,tbey enable u to survive many fights u would otherwise have lost your ship in and most importantly are one of the few valid tactics that can be used against cowardly carebear blob squads.
Yes ginger, your the forefather of everything dumb and unsophisticated
Quoted for truth.
I use WCS on almost every setup of mine... it just means I can take on more enemies at once while in enemy territory.
Without warp core stabs there would be much less actual pvp enguagement because the stakes are far too high if you want to fight anything near equal or favourable odds. Therefore if WCS were nerfed then people would go in gank fleets more to make sure the chances were on their side.
I don't think any real PVPer wants to "gank" because that hardly shows skill whereas fights are much more fun even if no one dies as a result of the engagement. However, I wouldn't let someone pass just because they were outnumbered either. I always seem to get this "STOP GANKING INDIES man" thing from peaple where i hunt, but I'm only an oppertunist who strives to have a good, fair fight when i can.
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Hellspawn666
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Posted - 2006.02.28 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ginger Magician
People used to whine so much about me using stabs in the old curse alliance days - now it is commonplace.
Anyway if u want to blame anyone for the current widespread use of wcs I guess I was the father of it.
But as been posted here and people have finally come to realise they dont gimp your setup enough to make a huge difference,tbey enable u to survive many fights u would otherwise have lost your ship in and most importantly are one of the few valid tactics that can be used against cowardly carebear blob squads.
You used to fly in CFS space ganking newbies, thats when i got a sight of your ego shouting look at me i own. Since i was also hunting down there, used to be the perfect hunting ground due to the mass amount of npcing apocs... However i did then fight your raven which not only had no mwd but also didnt have any wcs, so you actually came up with the wcs idea far after itd been used by not only myself but by anyone who had flown with me and im sure by many others across eve so give us a break on the "LOOK I STARTED IT SPEECH".
Now to the rest of this thread which is simply just spam... Please oh god just stay to one thread the devs dont care that you lose one or two targets to wcs... the truth is that not that many people still use them. I know this since out of the hundread or so people i fight per month maybe 4 have wcs?
This isnt really a problem there already is a balance, 1v1 the guy with wcs will lose anless the other guy is a noob. Not only that to catch people with stabs is easier then to fit them. By this i mean warp scrambler = 30 cpu and holds +2 strength, thats equivalent to 2 wcs i.e 60 cpu plus 2 low slots to one med slot. That is the balance, admitally warp scrams use cap but anless your flying a frig the cap use isnt harsh enough to cause you trouble. Stop making somthing out of nothing.
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Alexia Sonique
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Posted - 2006.02.28 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth
Not to mention thier counter, scramblers. Use cap, have a very limited range, well under the tracking of many guns. Require a lock, a mid slot (more important then lows) etc etc. Not to mention they don't actually counter stabs, in many cases, as you need stabs +1 worht of strenght to stop a ship.
Med slot on an apoc is more important then 2 lows? Since when?
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