lol this is 100% true, I just used pirate BS as an example since you can use that for earning isk in null.

Also, looking at his corp history he was in null not only before the anom income nerfs but also before the latest plex loot nerfs. Nothing like basing an argument on data that is 2.5 years out of date.

I think think it is sad that CCP won't be dealing with sov until 2014. Honestly, there will be no point then. No matter how heroic, N3 and PL won't be able to hold out until then. The CFC and their massive federation of blue will hold all of null sec by the summer. For the first time in Eve all of 0.0 will be controlled by a single entity...

At that point does it even matter what changes CCP introduces?

The easiest way to apply a quick fix to nullsec would be nerfing highsec. Remove station slots from NPC corp members, reduce the amount of highsec slots to the same amount available to unupgraded outposts, and only allow station slot access to people who have offices there. The rest of highsec production/research can be switched to POS. That would make production/research more viable for nullsec and can be scaled so production is worth doing in lowsec.

It also adds content to highsec as wardecs will be more significant because there are assets people can threaten/defend.

At that point does it even matter what changes CCP introduces?

Let's build stargates! To new systems! With the same old boring and pointless sov system!

No, the problem is that null sec is considered crap by its inhabitants, not that high-sec is superb.
Basicaly null has an underpowered potential which make high look overpowered, but if high is nerfed then both will be UP and it won't change things, only that highseccers will be REALLY angry at nullseccers.

The good answer is to give null better options and goals to work for, not to fubar high, else the highseccers and especially the newbies would find the game crappy and not stay on Eve.

The easiest way to apply a quick fix to nullsec would be nerfing highsec. Remove station slots from NPC corp members, reduce the amount of highsec slots to the same amount available to unupgraded outposts, and only allow station slot access to people who have offices there. The rest of highsec production/research can be switched to POS. That would make production/research more viable for nullsec and can be scaled so production is worth doing in lowsec.

It also adds content to highsec as wardecs will be more significant because there are assets people can threaten/defend.

Bad idea.

All it would do would increase the cost of ships and mods, which would decrease the amount of pew-pew and PvP in general. Not good.

I think think it is sad that CCP won't be dealing with sov until 2014. Honestly, there will be no point then. No matter how heroic, N3 and PL won't be able to hold out until then. The CFC and their massive federation of blue will hold all of null sec by the summer. For the first time in Eve all of 0.0 will be controlled by a single entity...

At that point does it even matter what changes CCP introduces?

The easiest way to apply a quick fix to nullsec would be nerfing highsec. Remove station slots from NPC corp members, reduce the amount of highsec slots to the same amount available to unupgraded outposts, and only allow station slot access to people who have offices there. The rest of highsec production/research can be switched to POS. That would make production/research more viable for nullsec and can be scaled so production is worth doing in lowsec.

It also adds content to highsec as wardecs will be more significant because there are assets people can threaten/defend.

This is exactly what I am talking about, its perfectly okay to nerf nullsec and leave it in terrible shambles but, any attempt to bring highsec in line is resisted with huge tantrums.

If nullsec is so bad, why are people paying so much ISK to rent space there?

What are these renters doing out there? Do they rent space, put up a POS, and then it's to the forums to complain about nullsec being nerfed?

Or are they bearing it up just like they would do in highsec, only pay the rent and risk it in nullsec for... what reason?

Would that be more ISK?

Is the goon rental program not going well? Will more goodies mean more profit renting out space? Will space be rented out that is not normally rented out, or will it become possible to raise the rent?

Except that wouldn't fubar highsec, it would be a nerf to NPCs which are currently better than player made constructions in nullsec. Nerfing highsec does not translate to harming newbees either.

This is exactly what I am talking about, its perfectly okay to nerf nullsec and leave it in terrible shambles but, any attempt to bring highsec in line is resisted with huge tantrums.

Of course it would harm newbies, most stay in high sec at least for their trial period, they will compare the price of things to their income, and buying anything relevant will seem so far-fetched it will be disheartening.
Plus it does not make sense for centuries old empires to not have better production capacities than under populated teams of rag tag pirates, at least until these pirates do not enhance these capacities to the empires' level through sheer hard work.


Null sec has been improved with odyssey, what with null sec ore having tritanium and pyerite now ?

That's why I'd rather see null sec have better available structures as long as the prices are not made irrelevant by badly thought requirements.
Better upgrade null to high level than downgrade high to null level.

Not a clue, I certainly wouldn't do it. Maybe if I brought up my gun collection and my affections for family members I would understand.

I see.

So I called our your BS of pushing the red herring that nullsec is some bastard child and highsec has it all by pointing out what the players are actually doing, and you have to resort to a reply like that.

Go ahead and answer the questions. If nullsec is such a wreck, why do players rent space there?

I'm sure you have an answer but if your only recourse is to resort to personal attacks, then chances are you are having trouble with the truth.

If nullsec is so bad, why are people paying so much ISK to rent space there?

What are these renters doing out there? Do they rent space, put up a POS, and then it's to the forums to complain about nullsec being nerfed?

Or are they bearing it up just like they would do in highsec, only pay the rent and risk it in nullsec for... what reason?

Would that be more ISK?

Is the goon rental program not going well? Will more goodies mean more profit renting out space? Will space be rented out that is not normally rented out, or will it become possible to raise the rent?

LOL...incursions don't pay off with escalations and A type sand X type modules plus faction pirate BPC's.
You might want to check my employment history.

I was part of FCON (I apologize for that, though not my doing), and we lived in Pure Blind, parked right on the low sec pipe into it, while we had PL and Darkside gangs rolling down from the SoE station. Our space was terrible tru-sec. I made more money there, before NC folded, than I ever have made in incursions, or any other action in high sec.

So you are for power creep then, ~buff null don't nerf high~. EVE lore should have no place in game balance and instead should be crafted around the game design. For example if we apply ~EVE lore should make sense~ then there should be no missions or pirates in highsec as CONCORD would have all that handled themselves.

E: The other argument ~newbees will see prices and despair~ this is the same argument that was raised against the ice changed and it didn't happen. It won't happen this time either. The people that get the short end of the stick are the NPC corp members, as they should, they enjoy the most safety so they should have the least reward potential.

When it's bringing up things to the level of already existing things then there is no powercreep.
And New Eden should at least stay somewhat coherent lore-wise, or else why have something more than "You are a space pilot, you can do things in space. Good Luck !" and that's all.

Since when trial accounts started mining ice ? One can mine ice with a venture ?
It's not because some bullshitters use a valid argument for their propaganda that the argument is bullshit in itself, high sec need to be somewhat profitable to attract and retain new customers, that you want it or not high sec is what new people will see of Eve, it need to be a little shiny.

And NPC corp members already have the short end of the stick, what with these 11% taxes and getting nothing but the ships from the tutorials ?
Yeah, they can't get wardecced, but they can't wardec either, so it's all fair.

It's really bad to have risk-adverse vets be the entry point for new players in EVE. There should be a corp that risk-adverse vets get dumped into that aren't the same as the newbie NPC corps.

That is another idea that has been passed around, newbees remain in the academy corp for a period of one year subscribed and after that get dumped into the npc corp that is involved in their FW. That means that for one year subscribed anyone can drop corp and be in the invulnerable npc corp but, vets that have been around forever don't get that shield.

If nullsec is so bad, why are people paying so much ISK to rent space there?

What are these renters doing out there? Do they rent space, put up a POS, and then it's to the forums to complain about nullsec being nerfed?

Or are they bearing it up just like they would do in highsec, only pay the rent and risk it in nullsec for... what reason?

Would that be more ISK?

Is the goon rental program not going well? Will more goodies mean more profit renting out space? Will space be rented out that is not normally rented out, or will it become possible to raise the rent?

I see.

So I called our your BS of pushing the red herring that nullsec is some bastard child and highsec has it all by pointing out what the players are actually doing, and you have to resort to a reply like that.

Go ahead and answer the questions. If nullsec is such a wreck, why do players rent space there?

I'm sure you have an answer but if your only recourse is to resort to personal attacks, then chances are you are having trouble with the truth.

If EvE had great PvP there would be millions of players that love PvP and don't play EvE flooding to it. If you think a bunch of carebears that want nothing to do with EvEs PvP suddenly will be interested in it because they're forced into it, you've got a nasty surprise coming.