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Skipsta
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Posted - 2006.03.01 18:58:00 -
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Ok how about a constructive thread about ways in which suicide high-sec ganking can be countered. I'm looking for ways of protecting your cargo when hauling, and also ways of fighting back at the gankers.
I believe that every 'tatic' should have a counter tatic, and the problem with these suicide ganks is there isn't a direct and obvious way to fight back; while they can pop a hauler with a few cruisers, you would have to lose multiple battleships to concord to take out their cruisers. A war dec is probably the only "above board" solution, but for many of the carebears in Jita this isn't an option.
Initial ideas:
Camp the gankers in shuttles, and try and snach any BPOs before they do, thus meaning they have lost their ships for nothing.
Same thing, but use smartbombs to destroy cans dropped by haulers they destroy. Not sure how long it would take to train an alt to be able to insta pop cans though.
Plastic wrap any valuable goods your hauling (I believe this stops them from cargo scanning your goods). Of course the gankers may just start chancing it and popping any ships carrying plastic wrap, but you could then send alts through carrying plastic wrapped tritanium and bookmarks to trick them into losing their ships  .
Any corrections or further suggestions would be very welcome.
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Gonada
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Posted - 2006.03.01 19:03:00 -
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secure cargo containers with PW's
moving mega isk bps? why not take a fast ship?
moving mega value items? any hauler can be turned into a defensive monster for at least 20 seconds , so be creative and put defensive mods onboard, yep might sacrafice half the cargo space, but 2 defensive mods in lows, shield booster, invul field, AB in mids
and omg if you have to make 2 trips, i thin k the extra time makes up totally for the amount of isk your risking by transporting.
use your brains people, sheeshe
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Turas Kain
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Posted - 2006.03.01 19:09:00 -
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 Originally by: Gonada
secure cargo containers with PW's
Should be noted that once the can is scooped the password is no longer required to open it.
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Jennifae
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Posted - 2006.03.01 19:12:00 -
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freighters are an answer. They can't kill it before concord does them in. Also, and since they become flagged once shooting, get some escort in fast locking EW ships. BB might be good enough. Plus, if you approach a gate as escort in a busy system and see suspicious types milling about in caracals or whatever, target them first FFS. Corcordokken won't have to YOU for just targeting.
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Morfane
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Posted - 2006.03.02 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: Skipsta
... use smartbombs to destroy cans dropped by haulers they destroy.
Smartbombs dont do diddly to cans.
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Hakiem
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Posted - 2006.03.02 00:40:00 -
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Get an escort, when the indy comes to PU your stuff, pod him and recover you droppings.
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.03.02 00:48:00 -
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There's about 600 easy ways to avoid being killed, I'll list some of the easiest ones.
First, errm don't go afk. I'll be willing to bet that 90% of the people dieing to this are afk. The ones who arn't well for shame on you for allowing this to happen, not using instas, and carring such a valuable load in such a easy to kill target. But anyways, suicide squads are easy to see if you know what your looking for.
Anouther way, tank out your hauler. Err at least put some passive shield hardeners and some extenders on, it would make it almost impossible to kill you in a solo BS.
Get a tech 2 indy. It would take 2 BS's to kill you if you were in one of them. And if you can afford to put 1 billion of stuff into and indy, you can afford to spend 50 mill on a tech 2 indy.
Don't place small but valuable goods in an indy. If you can haul it with a frig, or BS, then do so. frigs are to fast to get ganked, and BS's are to hard to gank.
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Nimie
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Posted - 2006.03.02 05:49:00 -
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avoid them. don't use the main trade routes. jita for instance, use perimeter or niyabainen to enter and leave. tanking out your indy may be nice, but people can still gank you if they're in an apoc or something. avoiding them is the easiest.
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Ninjja
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Posted - 2006.03.02 07:00:00 -
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from what i understand concords response time is gunna be faster after the bloodlines patch, so im guessing High sector ganking wont be nearly as effective.
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2006.03.02 07:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ninjja
from what i understand concords response time is gunna be faster after the bloodlines patch, so im guessing High sector ganking wont be nearly as effective.
at least some I've heard about, probably wouldn't matter much... if one "flight" of cruises or whatnot are enough to pop it, then I can't imagine concord could "get there fast enough" unless they are gonna have some sorta super-defender missile or something they use. and even then thats pretty iffy due to system lag. (how long does it take for a cruise missile to go 5m from a raven to the target?)
but I think it'd rather make it so that it'd be FAR easier to defend against it in a definitely-effective manner. (by being fast enough to DEFINITELY be limited to one volley or whatever)
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TuRtLe HeAd
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Posted - 2006.03.02 08:02:00 -
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Petition them to get banned. Its not an Exploit but I think its in the EULA or somthing similar.
Its basically the equivalent of hacking someones computer on WoW and Turning on the PvP Switch. High sec is there for players protection because PvP IS a choice in EvE online, you don't want to fight you stay in high sec areas. If theres idiots out there abusing game mechanics they deserve to get banned.
Cheaters never prosper.
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Heikki
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Posted - 2006.03.02 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd
High sec is there for players protection because PvP IS a choice in EvE online
No, thats quite against the theme of Eve online.
High sec is there to stop newbie ganking. It does, on purpose, allow you to kill anyone if you deem the sacrifice (loss of attacking ships and security status) worth of it. Only the ways to go around those losses are exploits.
And IMHO, thats is how it should be. If you start Eve by buying uber ship from Ebay for a few thousands, you may well lose it even if you stay in Jita.
Being docked inside stations is for afking and safe 'playing'.
-Lasse
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TuRtLe HeAd
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Posted - 2006.03.02 08:55:00 -
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Yes its there for newbie etc... AND for players to hide in.
PvP is an option in this game you choose to participate in it when you leave 0.5.
Seeing as suiciding something is treated as an exploit, I'd be glad to see morons that abuse the system Banned, I still fail to see why people need to cheat.
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Kinsy
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Posted - 2006.03.02 09:05:00 -
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Lazy Mans Hauler.
2 Medium Shield Extenders.
2-3 Passive Hardeners, EM, Thermal & Kinetic.
You can add as much as 1680 extra shield hitpoints, which as long as theyre hardened will save you from a single BS hitsquad. Train Shield Upgrades high to get a reduction in PG on these. You wont have the grid for your usual 10nm AB, but if your going AFK why bother with the speed mod?
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Shumanus
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Posted - 2006.03.02 10:24:00 -
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Forget the following ideas:
Secure cans - the contents show up on scan, they can be scooped up long before anchored and they can be simply repackaged/reprocessed to get the contents. Aka useless.
Courier mission plastic wraps - no idea why people propagate this idea, I have tested this on a friend, scan shows the contents.
Why not:
- use instas?
- tank the hauler? (take a look at how many med slots a Badger has, it just cries for shield extenders and hardeners)
- use a fast mini hauler (for example, the kestrel and the probe both have decent cargo holds, high speed with AB and do not stand out)
- use tech II hauler/BS/BC whatever else that can take the pounding?
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.03.02 10:57:00 -
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Buy occator, fit 800mm t2 plate, 3x adaptive nano II, expl. & em hardener and you can go afk.
Even better is big minmater hauler with large shield extender and some passive hardeners. Most gankers don't use t2 stuff and you should be ok for general afk hauling. If you haul great valuables afk, then you deserve to get ganked. Use covertop or plated inty for it. Crusader with 2-3 plates is hard to gank and even harder to scan.
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Nimie
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Kel Shek
Originally by: Ninjja
from what i understand concords response time is gunna be faster after the bloodlines patch, so im guessing High sector ganking wont be nearly as effective.
at least some I've heard about, probably wouldn't matter much... if one "flight" of cruises or whatnot are enough to pop it, then I can't imagine concord could "get there fast enough" unless they are gonna have some sorta super-defender missile or something they use. and even then thats pretty iffy due to system lag. (how long does it take for a cruise missile to go 5m from a raven to the target?)
but I think it'd rather make it so that it'd be FAR easier to defend against it in a definitely-effective manner. (by being fast enough to DEFINITELY be limited to one volley or whatever)
an increase in concord time won't do much to missle users, but will help against turret users. some large t1 guns has fire time as low as 4.5 seconds, 3 seconds with cheap mods and skills. they fire at the 0, 3, and 6 second mark so an increase in response time can help.
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Barak Torginn
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Posted - 2006.03.02 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd
Yes its there for newbie etc... AND for players to hide in.
PvP is an option in this game you choose to participate in it when you leave 0.5.
Seeing as suiciding something is treated as an exploit, I'd be glad to see morons that abuse the system Banned, I still fail to see why people need to cheat.
What in God's name are you talking about? Are you actually playing Eve?
This is not an exploit or a cheat. Suicide ganking in high sec costs the ganker his ship. IF HE GETS AWAY FROM CONCORD and does not lose his ship, THAT is an exploit that is bannable.
Seriously, read up on this topic before spewing this ignorant "PvP is optional" and "suiciding is a h4xpl0its OMG" crap. You have no idea what you are talking about.
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Val Amon
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:10:00 -
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You could counter suicide ganks with an occator unless they have like 5 suicide ravens to gank you.
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Blanche Virgo
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:10:00 -
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If you think suicide ganks are lame go play WoW, this game is meant to be challenging not a walk in the AFK park.
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Lightof God
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Posted - 2006.03.03 04:22:00 -
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Oh come on this is a thread for people who are obviously VERY rich if they are transporting something of 'great' value. I assume t2 producers can spare enough for a Battleship decked out with extenders and plates with hardeners for both. If it is really that valuable then there is no such thing as being too paranoid. What is there to debate? Come on if you loose your BPO b/c you were flying a hauler you DESERVE to loose it.
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JoeT
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Posted - 2006.03.03 05:18:00 -
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Slipt the cargo up among a couple haulers, fit speed mods (nanofibers to align and warp fast) or lots of defence.
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Ashelth
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Posted - 2006.03.03 09:25:00 -
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1) Why stay in hub systems?
They're laggy, hard to get offices and hard to manufacture stuff (slots are generally full).
2) Tank your haulers :p
3) Use the map to see if a lot of ships have been going pop :p
This used to be MUCH more popular when you could make a trial account and train up to use a kestrel with cruise missiles. You could get 2 made per trial account and pop people left and right.
Now there's atleast an element of risk (the bs or cruiser used in ganking gets destroyed).
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Carter Burke
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Posted - 2006.03.03 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Barak Torginn
Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd
Yes its there for newbie etc... AND for players to hide in.
PvP is an option in this game you choose to participate in it when you leave 0.5.
Seeing as suiciding something is treated as an exploit, I'd be glad to see morons that abuse the system Banned, I still fail to see why people need to cheat.
What in God's name are you talking about? Are you actually playing Eve?
This is not an exploit or a cheat. Suicide ganking in high sec costs the ganker his ship. IF HE GETS AWAY FROM CONCORD and does not lose his ship, THAT is an exploit that is bannable.
Seriously, read up on this topic before spewing this ignorant "PvP is optional" and "suiciding is a h4xpl0its OMG" crap. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Yes, as a matter of fact it is.
Shielding the alt hauler from retribution by taking advantage of game mechanics = exploit.
CB
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Catbutt
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Posted - 2006.03.03 14:48:00 -
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Just add some of the above suggested shield stuff and put 100 separate units of something cheap in your hold. By the time they figure out that you have something good you will be long gone.
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d'hofren
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Posted - 2006.03.03 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Carter Burke
Originally by: Barak Torginn
Originally by: TuRtLe HeAd
Yes its there for newbie etc... AND for players to hide in.
PvP is an option in this game you choose to participate in it when you leave 0.5.
Seeing as suiciding something is treated as an exploit, I'd be glad to see morons that abuse the system Banned, I still fail to see why people need to cheat.
What in God's name are you talking about? Are you actually playing Eve?
This is not an exploit or a cheat. Suicide ganking in high sec costs the ganker his ship. IF HE GETS AWAY FROM CONCORD and does not lose his ship, THAT is an exploit that is bannable.
Seriously, read up on this topic before spewing this ignorant "PvP is optional" and "suiciding is a h4xpl0its OMG" crap. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Yes, as a matter of fact it is.
Shielding the alt hauler from retribution by taking advantage of game mechanics = exploit.
CB
It isn't. Many petitions have been lodged and ccp have never stated that using a neutral hauler is an exploit.
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Necronomicon
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Posted - 2006.03.03 15:05:00 -
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Yes, this always makes me chuckle, the sheer mentality of the pilots who..
"OMG I was hauling 1bill worth of Megacyte in a Badger II and got ganked in 1.0...wtf hax petition!!"
If you can afford to have so much, then you can afford 20 days and 20 mill isk for a T2 Transport....afk through high sec without a care...I mean, cummon, it aint rocket science.
Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.
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Arbenowskee
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Posted - 2006.03.03 16:15:00 -
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for transporting very valuable items trough empire, use t2 haulers. i'd like to see someone suicide gank one of them.
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Grimwalius d'Antan
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Posted - 2006.03.03 16:21:00 -
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Why oh why do people move BPOs with haulers. WHY!? Roleplaying? "I can do it myself"-ivness? Stupidity?
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Paari Cuman
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Posted - 2006.03.03 16:32:00 -
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::kicks self harder for transporting stuff with a frig last night::
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