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Marcus Mualis	Posted - 2006.03.02 05:06:00 - [1] Hi, sorry, I'm relatively new here, and I was just wondering. What is the main role of an Assault Frigate? In large fleet battles, small groups battles? 1 on 1? Sorry for the dumb question, and thanks for your help!
smallgreenblur	Posted - 2006.03.02 05:07:00 - [2] Cruiser firepower in a smaller package basically. Slower than an indy but generally tank better and have better resistances, and do a little more damage. sgb
Jared Flame	Posted - 2006.03.02 05:11:00 - [3] Originally by: smallgreenblur Slower than an indy I do so hope you meant to say inty. lol
Tildia	Posted - 2006.03.02 05:32:00 - [4] There is one thing that i think the assault frigs were disigned to kill, other frigs. For example the ishkur, i belive would stand the best chance vs any other af's, inty's, and tech I frigs ofc. Every other af can deal with inty's and tech I frigs just as easily, not sure how well they deal with af's, if its a ishkur, they are probably screwed. In large fleet battles a assault ship works well protecting your battleships from hostile tacklers, or it can also be used as a tackler if fitted properly. In small gangs it can assist in tackling, many only have 2 mid slots so you fit a web or a scram, not both so its not best for this role. But its dps and ability to deal with frigs are an asset to the gang. And solo, (which isn't the best for a af imo), your target's are any frig (other than sb), industrial ships, and some cruisers. The main problem with af's is there speed, with a ab they go about 500m/s and with a mwd you can get around 1200m/s, so you will have trouble catching a inty thats out of web range. Cruiser and BS sized nos will also stop you in your tracks pretty quick, which is the main reason you cant deal with all cruisers. If they have a nos fitted stay away :) Overall af's fill a smaller nich than most other ships, but they do their job well if you know what your doing :)
Marcus Mualis	Posted - 2006.03.02 06:47:00 - [5] Thanks guys!
Lorette	Posted - 2006.03.02 07:18:00 - [6] If there was a hypothetical battle id see it weaving in and around the big ships killing frigs, its can usually dodge the attacks from cruisers on up but doesnt really have the firepower to take em down effectively.
Livia Tarquina	Posted - 2006.03.02 07:24:00 - [7] I like that cruiser firepower in a small package. They're faster than cruisers so they can get in close outmanuever the enemy and blow stuff up. Frigates or gunboats as they were called in another age were the bane of bigger ships as a gang of them could take down cruisers or battleships. Naturally frigates can attack other frigates, but that wasn't their main role. Destroyers took that role screening the main fleet. "Big guns and heavy armor what else is there?" --Amarrian Admiral before entering battle against Jove Navy
Ante	Posted - 2006.03.02 08:09:00 - [8] Most of the time why bother with an assault frigate? Cruisers can do better for cheaper and are more likely to be engaged if you're looking for a fight.
Darwinia	Posted - 2006.03.02 08:13:00 - [9] Against frigates and cruisers, a cruiser is a better (well cheaper) choice than an assault frigate. Against a battleship, AF will fare far better then a cruiser though. ------------------------ I don't believe in sigs.
Kel Shek	Posted - 2006.03.02 08:14:00 - [10] /me hugs his drones. yay for cap-less, highly accurate damage from multiple targets FTW! honestly against other ships smaller than cruisers, I'd take my ishkur over anything I've tried, or would be interested in trying. ishkur would probably wtfpwn destroyers... but personally I've only gone against one other person in PvP in my ishkur.. and that was a hawk, and I seem to have broken its tank(holding it at no shield for several seconds or so?) before I had to seriously put on my armor rep... ::not a pirate or heavy PvP'er, obviously:: its a tough little bugger though. ~~~~~ To see a World in a Grain of Sand And Heaven in a Wild Flower Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand And Eternity in an hour ~~William Blake

DoMxj	Posted - 2006.03.02 08:50:00 - [11] Originally by: Tildia There is one thing that i think the assault frigs were disigned to kill, other frigs. For example the ishkur, i belive would stand the best chance vs any other af's, inty's, and tech I frigs ofc. Every other af can deal with inty's and tech I frigs just as easily, not sure how well they deal with af's, if its a ishkur, they are probably screwed. Ishkur LOL my harpy will rip ishkyr from 90km away before u start ur MWD to close on me or warp away even in close range the harpy can deal around 400dmg every rof(much much more if u get good hits). Till u get in nos or drone range u will be way into armor so no ishkyr is not the best aF not even close
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.03.02 09:03:00 - [12] atm, role of af is lvl2 $ lvl3 mission wh@re ship, and apart from 2-3 of them they are just a waste of time as kessi or inty does anything better. I use no guns... i smack to death.
Leon 026	Posted - 2006.03.02 09:04:00 - [13] Edited by: Leon 026 on 02/03/2006 09:04:41 Assault Frigs are gunships - firepower in a small package. They act as anti-frig defense in fleet to shoot down hostile interceptors, and as the extra "umpf" in a frig fleet with superior firepower. They are heavy-dogfighters, but are off-set by their agility (or lack thereof) and relative inability to dictate range against fast cruisers and MWDing interceptors. They are excellent in their designated roles of being low-profile heavy firepower gunships, but they still need proper escort from lighter dogfighters when it comes to fast-paced mobile warfare. Most of my experience with AFs if with flying the Harpy, and the harpy is a bit un-agile.... that, and I practically worship my interceptor ------------------------------- Be Caldari, be proud. Haak-kin k'len Leon / LN026
Sorrento	Posted - 2006.03.02 09:11:00 - [14] Musy say, after a long break, i decided to ditch my moa and try out a harpy for lev 3 kill missions..... All i can say was wow... very impressed....... will be even more impressed when i am able to fit tech 2 guns to it instead od 150 protos ...
Dire Lauthris	Posted - 2006.03.02 09:34:00 - [15] Originally by: Sorrento All i can say was wow... very impressed....... will be even more impressed when i am able to fit tech 2 guns to it instead od 150 protos ... Yeah I've also started using the Harpy for Level 3's ... wow it's just so much more fun. Really takes the grind out of grinding. Yeah it takes a bit longer for some of the bigger ones but it's great getting up close and personal with dem dirty rats. Question though, why are people so eager for Tech2 turrets? I use proto's myself and stats-wise they're the same as T2 with better fitting. Is it just that T2s are cheaper?
Sorrento	Posted - 2006.03.02 09:50:00 - [16] I think its to use tech 2 ammo .... EI: 'E was right. I was happier then and I had NOTHIN'. We used to live in this tiiiny old house, with greaaaaat big holes in the roof. GC: House? You were lucky to have a HOUSE! We used to live in one room, all hundred and twenty-six of us, no furniture. Half the floor was missing; we were all huddled together in one corner for fear of FALLING! TG: You were lucky to have a ROOM! We used to have to live in a corridor! MP: Ohhhh we used to DREAM of livin' in a corridor! Woulda' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woken up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House!? Hmph. EI: Well when I say "house" it was only a hole in the ground covered by a piece of tarpaulin, but it was a house to US. "
Knoppaz	Posted - 2006.03.02 09:55:00 - [17] Originally by: Dire Lauthris Question though, why are people so eager for Tech2 turrets? I use proto's myself and stats-wise they're the same as T2 with better fitting. Is it just that T2s are cheaper? The damage bonus from specialization skill only works with T2 guns.
Mallik Hendrake	Posted - 2006.03.02 09:56:00 - [18] 8-10% more damage from spec. -------------------------------------------- "A plan is just a list of things that don't happen." -- Parker, _The Way of the Gun_ Mallik Hendrake E X O D U S [I do not speak for E X O or IRON]
Dire Lauthris	Posted - 2006.03.02 10:06:00 - [19] Ahh got it... thanks. :) </unhijack>
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.03.02 10:18:00 - [20] Let x=total_number_of_assault_frigates Let y=total_nos_on_enemy_battleship If x > y, then alive_battleships = 0 If y > x, then dead_assault_frigates = x The Eve Guild Wars Project!

Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2006.03.02 10:49:00 - [21] Frig speed + frig sig radius + cruiser tank = survivability. On top of that you've then got near-cruiser firepower. Everyone always seems to focus on the damage output of AFs. Maybe it's just because I fly Amarr ships, but personally I think that's backwards - most inties can do similar amounts of damage, but they're made of cardboard; the big benefit of AFs (or the Retri, at least) is the ability to tank properly while putting out that damage. So long as you're not webbed, cruisers and above generally can't do any significant damage to you.
Grimpak	Posted - 2006.03.02 10:55:00 - [22] Originally by: DoMxj Originally by: Tildia There is one thing that i think the assault frigs were disigned to kill, other frigs. For example the ishkur, i belive would stand the best chance vs any other af's, inty's, and tech I frigs ofc. Every other af can deal with inty's and tech I frigs just as easily, not sure how well they deal with af's, if its a ishkur, they are probably screwed. Ishkur LOL my harpy will rip ishkyr from 90km away before u start ur MWD to close on me or warp away even in close range the harpy can deal around 400dmg every rof(much much more if u get good hits). Till u get in nos or drone range u will be way into armor so no ishkyr is not the best aF not even close I eat harpies for breakfast with my ishkur. Proved. Even being out of web and nos range I managed to put harpies in armour pretty easily. Kinda surprised by that if you ask me. True that I was using a non-plated vampkur setup at the time, but don't think that if it's an ishkur you go scream "OMG THERE'S AN ISHKUR AND I'M AT 50 KM RANGE SO HE CAN'T NOSS ME OMG!" Ishkurs are considered very good ships because of their versatility, not because of the cookie cuter setup with mwd and nos setups ---------------- Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
Shibby DoWa	Posted - 2006.03.02 11:01:00 - [23] whoever thinks assault frigates to truck loads of damage need to try looking at the bonuses more carefully. Besides a few select exceptions, just about every race's assault frigates are outdamaged by their race's interceptors. The Jaguar does exactly the same damage as a Rifter, while the Claw will do 25% more due to the extra damage bonus. The Wolf does 1 turret more damage than the rifter/jag, while yet again a claw will out damage it. The only difference is that assault frigs will do it at a slightly longer range. I believe it was said best with this quote: Originally by: Sarmaul actually, the issue is more that interceptors go faster and do more damage than assault frigs. The biggest thing assault frigs have going for them is their tank, but tbh the role of a frig in pvp isn't to tank, it's to slap as many damn scramblers on the target as fast as possible.
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2006.03.02 18:53:00 - [24] Originally by: Shibby DoWa whoever thinks assault frigates to truck loads of damage need to try looking at the bonuses more carefully. Besides a few select exceptions, just about every race's assault frigates are outdamaged by their race's interceptors. The Jaguar does exactly the same damage as a Rifter, while the Claw will do 25% more due to the extra damage bonus. The Wolf does 1 turret more damage than the rifter/jag, while yet again a claw will out damage it. The only difference is that assault frigs will do it at a slightly longer range. I believe it was said best with this quote: Originally by: Sarmaul actually, the issue is more that interceptors go faster and do more damage than assault frigs. The biggest thing assault frigs have going for them is their tank, but tbh the role of a frig in pvp isn't to tank, it's to slap as many damn scramblers on the target as fast as possible. "The" role of a frig in PvP? Love the flexibility you've got going there... :P
Grimpak	Posted - 2006.03.02 19:03:00 - [25] Originally by: Joerd Toastius Originally by: Shibby DoWa whoever thinks assault frigates to truck loads of damage need to try looking at the bonuses more carefully. Besides a few select exceptions, just about every race's assault frigates are outdamaged by their race's interceptors. The Jaguar does exactly the same damage as a Rifter, while the Claw will do 25% more due to the extra damage bonus. The Wolf does 1 turret more damage than the rifter/jag, while yet again a claw will out damage it. The only difference is that assault frigs will do it at a slightly longer range. I believe it was said best with this quote: Originally by: Sarmaul actually, the issue is more that interceptors go faster and do more damage than assault frigs. The biggest thing assault frigs have going for them is their tank, but tbh the role of a frig in pvp isn't to tank, it's to slap as many damn scramblers on the target as fast as possible. "The" role of a frig in PvP? Love the flexibility you've got going there... :P he's still right about the damage part tho ---------------- Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
Liet Traep	Posted - 2006.03.02 19:13:00 - [26] I've used an af several times in fleet ops to keep enemy inties off my mates BS or used them as a heavy tackler.
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2006.03.02 19:15:00 - [27] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Joerd Toastius Originally by: Shibby DoWa whoever thinks assault frigates to truck loads of damage need to try looking at the bonuses more carefully. Besides a few select exceptions, just about every race's assault frigates are outdamaged by their race's interceptors. The Jaguar does exactly the same damage as a Rifter, while the Claw will do 25% more due to the extra damage bonus. The Wolf does 1 turret more damage than the rifter/jag, while yet again a claw will out damage it. The only difference is that assault frigs will do it at a slightly longer range. I believe it was said best with this quote: Originally by: Sarmaul actually, the issue is more that interceptors go faster and do more damage than assault frigs. The biggest thing assault frigs have going for them is their tank, but tbh the role of a frig in pvp isn't to tank, it's to slap as many damn scramblers on the target as fast as possible. "The" role of a frig in PvP? Love the flexibility you've got going there... :P he's still right about the damage part tho Yup, and I agreed in an earlier post. That doesn't change the fact that saying an entire ship size is only useful for tackling is just plain stupid.
Helene Troi	Posted - 2006.03.02 19:19:00 - [28] Edited by: Helene Troi on 02/03/2006 19:23:22 Originally by: Tildia Cruiser and BS sized nos will also stop you in your tracks pretty quick, which is the main reason you cant deal with all cruisers. If they have a nos fitted stay away :) Erm... recently a Cyclone nos'd my Wolf down to no cap... Then he hadda run away 'cos the autocannons were still blazing away... It was great... To answer the original question, AF's are the dogs 'nads... The most fun ships to fly in this game...
Yarek Balear	Posted - 2006.03.02 19:29:00 - [29] Edited by: Yarek Balear on 02/03/2006 19:29:24 Have to agree - the most fun flying a ship I've ever had was the Harpy, Enyo and Ishkur - three great AFs for different reasons and all three were great fun to fly. Manouverability, damage capability, small chance of being hit by bigger targets all make AFs good fun. If you get outnumbered by a small group of AFs travelling out together, you better pucker up and kiss your ass goodbye for most ships... and you know they'll be doing it with a smile on their face !
Marcus Mualis	Posted - 2006.03.02 20:18:00 - [30] Alright then, what makes the Enyo and Ishkur different, and which is better?



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