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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:51:00 -
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 Originally by: Marcus Mualis
Alright then, what makes the Enyo and Ishkur different, and which is better?
Enyo = direct firepower with good tank
Ishkur = versatility and a good tank
Enyo is less skill-intensive than the Ishkur, and Ishkur is less durable than the Enyo.
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Originally by: Abdalion
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Marcus Mualis
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:28:00 -
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So the relatively newer player should go with the straight shooter? (Enyo) Which is better overall in combat?
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Livia Tarquina
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:47:00 -
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Focus on yourself first drones second. You can get to killing things faster with turrets than drones. I often forget about my drones when turrets do fine.
"Big guns and heavy armor what else is there?"
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Knoppaz
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:51:00 -
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Enyo looks cooler 
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ChalSto
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Knoppaz
Enyo looks cooler
jap....it looks cooler........agreed.
but: Ishkur > Enyo, becouse there are some little buggers, called T2-Warriors and T2-Valkyre 
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Daivasth
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:46:00 -
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lol, assualt frigates are good because of their resists... try calculating how many module slots an inty would take up getting to a harpy's 0/60/70/80...
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: ChalSto
Originally by: Knoppaz
Enyo looks cooler
jap....it looks cooler........agreed.
but: Ishkur > Enyo, becouse there are some little buggers, called T2-Warriors and T2-Valkyre
damn thos buggers, specially the T2 warriors
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Originally by: Abdalion
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Knoppaz
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:14:00 -
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Those little buggers will be jammed purely by the ravishing beauty of the Eny.. erm.. someone want's to buy those nice, red pieces of ..uh.. modern art?
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.03.03 00:15:00 -
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Originally by: Daivasth
lol, assualt frigates are good because of their resists... try calculating how many module slots an inty would take up getting to a harpy's 0/60/70/80...
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Marcus Mualis
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Posted - 2006.03.03 01:20:00 -
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So I take it new player goes with the enyo because of ease of use? (guns rather than drones)
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.03.03 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus Mualis
So I take it new player goes with the enyo because of ease of use? (guns rather than drones)
and it's better at pve
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Originally by: Abdalion
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Kai Jyokoroi
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Posted - 2006.03.03 01:55:00 -
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I'd like to also point out that the Enyo is a truly excellent tank for PVE for any type of rat. With three hardeners, a small t2 repper, a small AB t2 and a named cap charger you can make up the deficits/buff decficits even harder, as well as being able to fire all your guns and missile launcher and run your AB and repper forever.
I would say that Angels are the hardest rats in the game (because they throw out all types of damage), and with this set-up -
highs - anything
mid - t2 small AB, eutetic cap recharger (18%)
lows - energized adaptive nano, energized reactive x2, small named repper, anything
I can easily tank the triple 1.7 mil BS Machariel spawns. Change the 2 reactives for an EM and a thermal and the same applies to Sanshas, can tank the 1.7 triple Nightmare spawns no sweat. I have yet to encounter a True Sansha spawn, but this baby really can tank absolutely anything with not much effort and I only have 4.5m SP. This ship is DEFINETELY much better than the Harpy for tanking at low SP levels without one of those named 60m small shield boosters. Gisti is it?
Without damage mods it has a hard time breaking the tank of the 1.7 mil BSs, but hey, you can't have everything, can you? You should have a friend with you.
I wub my Enyo. It makes me all my iskies. Of course I use Ishkurs for pvp, 3 medslots and 5 t2 light drones = yarrrrr 
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Maya Lee
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Posted - 2006.03.03 05:25:00 -
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Would you say Enyo's are not useful for PVP, or just not as good as the Ishkur, because I think I'd rather use the simple guns instead of drones, I dont know...
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Maya Lee
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Posted - 2006.03.04 21:26:00 -
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bumper
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Crellion
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Posted - 2006.03.04 21:39:00 -
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AFs are good at:
- level 3s
-being the tank in complexes (requires remote shield boosting)
- killing noobs*
- looking pretty
- giving tech I cruisers a role in high profile pvp
- dieing horribly
(*they can kill certain ship classes very easily IF those ship classes agree to attack them in which case they are noobs)
they are not good at:
- forcing enagements with smaller ships
- tanking bigger ships
- killing other AFs
- forcing engagements
- forcing engagements*
(* getting kills against experoenced enemies who know what they are doing)
There is however 1 exception. The wolf has the bonus that it looks the same as a rifter this means you stand a better chance of being engaged by those that shouldnt engage you.
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Dark Eulogy
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Posted - 2006.03.04 21:44:00 -
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Yeah but when you right click it, it doesn't even say Frigate, let alone if you hit show info it clearly says what it is. Who would be stupid eneough to fall for that?
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.03.04 21:44:00 -
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I've tanked a Navy Raven in my Retribution before. They'll tank pretty much any single ship provided they don't get webbed or nossed.
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Boo Yaaaa
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Eulogy
Yeah but when you right click it, it doesn't even say Frigate, let alone if you hit show info it clearly says what it is. Who would be stupid eneough to fall for that?
Lots of ppl make this mistake, ive killed ppl wiv my cerb and been mailed afterwards saying they thought i was a cara lol.
The Harpy can pass as a merlin if the person who is planning to engage u dosnt take longer than a second to look @ u. It happens more often than u would think.
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:15:00 -
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What an AF's role is really comes down to how you choose to use it.
I've always seen the AF as the main provider of a good hard punch in a small frigate pack.
It's also a very effective anti frig platform for covering larger ships in the fleet sized operations.
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Maya Lee
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:21:00 -
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Well, are Enyo's alright for PVP?
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Lee
Well, are Enyo's alright for PVP?
bluntly: bring it only if you have some buddies with you.
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Originally by: Abdalion
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Foulis
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Posted - 2006.03.04 22:38:00 -
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Edited by: Foulis on 04/03/2006 22:38:54
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Maya Lee
Well, are Enyo's alright for PVP?
bluntly: bring it only if you have some buddies with you.
Yeah I could never see an enyo beating an ishkur(or any other AF, maybe a cruiser though). Plus ishkurs are still cheaper. 
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Jarek Naumen
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Posted - 2006.03.04 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: Knoppaz
Enyo looks cooler
Naah..the ishkur looks way cooler  .
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Yarek Balear
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Posted - 2006.03.04 23:49:00 -
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Ok, I've used the Enyo in PVP and in PVE. As many have said here, it's clearly an excellent ship for PVE. I'd personally taken down multi-BS spawns in it...
For PVP, the equation becomes a little bit more complicated. For solo/very small groups the Ishkur is better because of its mid-slot flexibility. AB+webber+scrambler means you will be everyones friend (except your target). In larger frigate groups, where you can all mix/match webbers and scramblers, the Enyo may be better as it can still fit one of these with the AB and deal more immediate damage.
At the end of the day - get both - they're not that expensive and they are both fun to fly... Which reminds me...
WTB: Enyo 
Cheers,
Yarek.
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Dark Eulogy
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Posted - 2006.03.05 00:27:00 -
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What would have an easier time against a Caracal, a Wolf or an AC Rupture?
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.03.05 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Eulogy
What would have an easier time against a Caracal, a Wolf or an AC Rupture?
vs caracal/AC rupie, none, vs wolf, prolly the ishkur, specially when it's an AC wolf.
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Originally by: Abdalion
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Mia Vallentine
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Posted - 2006.03.05 03:39:00 -
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Edited by: Mia Vallentine on 05/03/2006 03:40:47
Originally by: Dark Eulogy
What would have an easier time against a Caracal, a Wolf or an AC Rupture?
None of them. Don't asume that it all depends on the ship you're using. You can kill AFs in T1 frigates. I killed NPCing BS in a Harpy.
It depends on your fitting, ingameskill, personal skill and of course a bit luck. It also depends on your opponent. Most skilled pilots will whipe out your AF with ease. Your luck is that there are very vew skilled pilots arround. The avarage pilot isn't good and by my experience with them, they don't even know how to fit their ships. I could tell you storys about 1on3's you'd be laughing your ass off.
To answer your question: Get an Enyo. They are better to start off. After a while I'd get an Inshkur, tho.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.03.05 03:49:00 -
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Originally by: Mia Vallentine
The avarage pilot isn't good and by my experience with them, they don't even know how to fit their ships. I could tell you storys about 1on3's you'd be laughing your ass off.
on that issue I could even tell stories about weird BS setups I've seen sometimes (armageddon with Shadow Serp dual 250mm rail and stuff like a med hull repper comes to mind...)
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Originally by: Abdalion
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Benglada
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Posted - 2006.03.05 03:57:00 -
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i guess i would say i use them as heavy interceptors, able to tank damage, lock down a target and kill it (i got an eris to 50% hull in like 20 seconds..damn thing mwd'd away and warped off :( )
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Originally by: Wrangler
Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote.. 
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Lunar Avengeress
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Posted - 2006.03.05 05:46:00 -
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hmm, I'm not as experienced as most of you guys, but I have been playing alot with a wolf lately.
It sums up to this:
As long as I'm not webfied I can kill anything, although my setup has nothing to do with what the forum posts suggest. (can't armor tank a wolf). If I pve the other thing that can cause me trouble is light missiles, but I've only had that type of problem during level 3 missions, not lowsec ratting.
Drones have never been a problem yet (apart from the webbers of course), and nosses really don't scare me at all they risk doing is turning off my AB.
If I'm webbed I better find a way to warp out, because then I'm really an easy target, and can't even get into range to shoot efficiently whatever ammo I use.
To those who were sayin a claw can do more damage than a wolf, that's absolute nonsense. The wolf's extra gun makes a biiig difference. However comparing it to intys is interesting since with an ABII it goes to over 700 m/s and the tracking speed bonus you get means that with autocannons you still hit at that speed.
Those who compare it to other tech1 frigs, I guess are just trying to sound smart but aren't.
As for the other assault frigates I think they also look cool.
I haven't tried myself at an enyo yet, but those blasters might also hurt at the range I use.
I attacked a retribution the other day and it couldn't hit me once, then again it has incredible tanking possibilities.
Some of these guys who are critisising AFs probably havent tested one within a year, or did it by using the same old settings. Also you can't use them like you would use a big ship. Tank and shoot isn't enough, you have to play with the faxt your ship is swift.
To conclude: there is no 1 ship with 1 setup that beats every other ship in the game. The assault frig is a great toy with which you'll have a lot of fun killing most people.
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