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Marcus Mualis	Posted - 2006.03.02 05:06:00 - [1] Hi, sorry, I'm relatively new here, and I was just wondering. What is the main role of an Assault Frigate? In large fleet battles, small groups battles? 1 on 1? Sorry for the dumb question, and thanks for your help!
smallgreenblur	Posted - 2006.03.02 05:07:00 - [2] Cruiser firepower in a smaller package basically. Slower than an indy but generally tank better and have better resistances, and do a little more damage. sgb
Jared Flame	Posted - 2006.03.02 05:11:00 - [3] Originally by: smallgreenblur Slower than an indy I do so hope you meant to say inty. lol
Tildia	Posted - 2006.03.02 05:32:00 - [4] There is one thing that i think the assault frigs were disigned to kill, other frigs. For example the ishkur, i belive would stand the best chance vs any other af's, inty's, and tech I frigs ofc. Every other af can deal with inty's and tech I frigs just as easily, not sure how well they deal with af's, if its a ishkur, they are probably screwed. In large fleet battles a assault ship works well protecting your battleships from hostile tacklers, or it can also be used as a tackler if fitted properly. In small gangs it can assist in tackling, many only have 2 mid slots so you fit a web or a scram, not both so its not best for this role. But its dps and ability to deal with frigs are an asset to the gang. And solo, (which isn't the best for a af imo), your target's are any frig (other than sb), industrial ships, and some cruisers. The main problem with af's is there speed, with a ab they go about 500m/s and with a mwd you can get around 1200m/s, so you will have trouble catching a inty thats out of web range. Cruiser and BS sized nos will also stop you in your tracks pretty quick, which is the main reason you cant deal with all cruisers. If they have a nos fitted stay away :) Overall af's fill a smaller nich than most other ships, but they do their job well if you know what your doing :)
Marcus Mualis	Posted - 2006.03.02 06:47:00 - [5] Thanks guys!
Lorette	Posted - 2006.03.02 07:18:00 - [6] If there was a hypothetical battle id see it weaving in and around the big ships killing frigs, its can usually dodge the attacks from cruisers on up but doesnt really have the firepower to take em down effectively.
Livia Tarquina	Posted - 2006.03.02 07:24:00 - [7] I like that cruiser firepower in a small package. They're faster than cruisers so they can get in close outmanuever the enemy and blow stuff up. Frigates or gunboats as they were called in another age were the bane of bigger ships as a gang of them could take down cruisers or battleships. Naturally frigates can attack other frigates, but that wasn't their main role. Destroyers took that role screening the main fleet. "Big guns and heavy armor what else is there?" --Amarrian Admiral before entering battle against Jove Navy
Ante	Posted - 2006.03.02 08:09:00 - [8] Most of the time why bother with an assault frigate? Cruisers can do better for cheaper and are more likely to be engaged if you're looking for a fight.
Darwinia	Posted - 2006.03.02 08:13:00 - [9] Against frigates and cruisers, a cruiser is a better (well cheaper) choice than an assault frigate. Against a battleship, AF will fare far better then a cruiser though. ------------------------ I don't believe in sigs.
Kel Shek	Posted - 2006.03.02 08:14:00 - [10] /me hugs his drones. yay for cap-less, highly accurate damage from multiple targets FTW! honestly against other ships smaller than cruisers, I'd take my ishkur over anything I've tried, or would be interested in trying. ishkur would probably wtfpwn destroyers... but personally I've only gone against one other person in PvP in my ishkur.. and that was a hawk, and I seem to have broken its tank(holding it at no shield for several seconds or so?) before I had to seriously put on my armor rep... ::not a pirate or heavy PvP'er, obviously:: its a tough little bugger though. ~~~~~ To see a World in a Grain of Sand And Heaven in a Wild Flower Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand And Eternity in an hour ~~William Blake
DoMxj	Posted - 2006.03.02 08:50:00 - [11] Originally by: Tildia There is one thing that i think the assault frigs were disigned to kill, other frigs. For example the ishkur, i belive would stand the best chance vs any other af's, inty's, and tech I frigs ofc. Every other af can deal with inty's and tech I frigs just as easily, not sure how well they deal with af's, if its a ishkur, they are probably screwed. Ishkur LOL my harpy will rip ishkyr from 90km away before u start ur MWD to close on me or warp away even in close range the harpy can deal around 400dmg every rof(much much more if u get good hits). Till u get in nos or drone range u will be way into armor so no ishkyr is not the best aF not even close
LUKEC	Posted - 2006.03.02 09:03:00 - [12] atm, role of af is lvl2 $ lvl3 mission wh@re ship, and apart from 2-3 of them they are just a waste of time as kessi or inty does anything better. I use no guns... i smack to death.
Leon 026	Posted - 2006.03.02 09:04:00 - [13] Edited by: Leon 026 on 02/03/2006 09:04:41 Assault Frigs are gunships - firepower in a small package. They act as anti-frig defense in fleet to shoot down hostile interceptors, and as the extra "umpf" in a frig fleet with superior firepower. They are heavy-dogfighters, but are off-set by their agility (or lack thereof) and relative inability to dictate range against fast cruisers and MWDing interceptors. They are excellent in their designated roles of being low-profile heavy firepower gunships, but they still need proper escort from lighter dogfighters when it comes to fast-paced mobile warfare. Most of my experience with AFs if with flying the Harpy, and the harpy is a bit un-agile.... that, and I practically worship my interceptor ------------------------------- Be Caldari, be proud. Haak-kin k'len Leon / LN026
Sorrento	Posted - 2006.03.02 09:11:00 - [14] Musy say, after a long break, i decided to ditch my moa and try out a harpy for lev 3 kill missions..... All i can say was wow... very impressed....... will be even more impressed when i am able to fit tech 2 guns to it instead od 150 protos ...
Dire Lauthris	Posted - 2006.03.02 09:34:00 - [15] Originally by: Sorrento All i can say was wow... very impressed....... will be even more impressed when i am able to fit tech 2 guns to it instead od 150 protos ... Yeah I've also started using the Harpy for Level 3's ... wow it's just so much more fun. Really takes the grind out of grinding. Yeah it takes a bit longer for some of the bigger ones but it's great getting up close and personal with dem dirty rats. Question though, why are people so eager for Tech2 turrets? I use proto's myself and stats-wise they're the same as T2 with better fitting. Is it just that T2s are cheaper?
Sorrento	Posted - 2006.03.02 09:50:00 - [16] I think its to use tech 2 ammo .... EI: 'E was right. I was happier then and I had NOTHIN'. We used to live in this tiiiny old house, with greaaaaat big holes in the roof. GC: House? You were lucky to have a HOUSE! We used to live in one room, all hundred and twenty-six of us, no furniture. Half the floor was missing; we were all huddled together in one corner for fear of FALLING! TG: You were lucky to have a ROOM! We used to have to live in a corridor! MP: Ohhhh we used to DREAM of livin' in a corridor! Woulda' been a palace to us. We used to live in an old water tank on a rubbish tip. We got woken up every morning by having a load of rotting fish dumped all over us! House!? Hmph. EI: Well when I say "house" it was only a hole in the ground covered by a piece of tarpaulin, but it was a house to US. "
Knoppaz	Posted - 2006.03.02 09:55:00 - [17] Originally by: Dire Lauthris Question though, why are people so eager for Tech2 turrets? I use proto's myself and stats-wise they're the same as T2 with better fitting. Is it just that T2s are cheaper? The damage bonus from specialization skill only works with T2 guns.
Mallik Hendrake	Posted - 2006.03.02 09:56:00 - [18] 8-10% more damage from spec. -------------------------------------------- "A plan is just a list of things that don't happen." -- Parker, _The Way of the Gun_ Mallik Hendrake E X O D U S [I do not speak for E X O or IRON]
Dire Lauthris	Posted - 2006.03.02 10:06:00 - [19] Ahh got it... thanks. :) </unhijack>
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.03.02 10:18:00 - [20] Let x=total_number_of_assault_frigates Let y=total_nos_on_enemy_battleship If x > y, then alive_battleships = 0 If y > x, then dead_assault_frigates = x The Eve Guild Wars Project!
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2006.03.02 10:49:00 - [21] Frig speed + frig sig radius + cruiser tank = survivability. On top of that you've then got near-cruiser firepower. Everyone always seems to focus on the damage output of AFs. Maybe it's just because I fly Amarr ships, but personally I think that's backwards - most inties can do similar amounts of damage, but they're made of cardboard; the big benefit of AFs (or the Retri, at least) is the ability to tank properly while putting out that damage. So long as you're not webbed, cruisers and above generally can't do any significant damage to you.
Grimpak	Posted - 2006.03.02 10:55:00 - [22] Originally by: DoMxj Originally by: Tildia There is one thing that i think the assault frigs were disigned to kill, other frigs. For example the ishkur, i belive would stand the best chance vs any other af's, inty's, and tech I frigs ofc. Every other af can deal with inty's and tech I frigs just as easily, not sure how well they deal with af's, if its a ishkur, they are probably screwed. Ishkur LOL my harpy will rip ishkyr from 90km away before u start ur MWD to close on me or warp away even in close range the harpy can deal around 400dmg every rof(much much more if u get good hits). Till u get in nos or drone range u will be way into armor so no ishkyr is not the best aF not even close I eat harpies for breakfast with my ishkur. Proved. Even being out of web and nos range I managed to put harpies in armour pretty easily. Kinda surprised by that if you ask me. True that I was using a non-plated vampkur setup at the time, but don't think that if it's an ishkur you go scream "OMG THERE'S AN ISHKUR AND I'M AT 50 KM RANGE SO HE CAN'T NOSS ME OMG!" Ishkurs are considered very good ships because of their versatility, not because of the cookie cuter setup with mwd and nos setups ---------------- Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
Shibby DoWa	Posted - 2006.03.02 11:01:00 - [23] whoever thinks assault frigates to truck loads of damage need to try looking at the bonuses more carefully. Besides a few select exceptions, just about every race's assault frigates are outdamaged by their race's interceptors. The Jaguar does exactly the same damage as a Rifter, while the Claw will do 25% more due to the extra damage bonus. The Wolf does 1 turret more damage than the rifter/jag, while yet again a claw will out damage it. The only difference is that assault frigs will do it at a slightly longer range. I believe it was said best with this quote: Originally by: Sarmaul actually, the issue is more that interceptors go faster and do more damage than assault frigs. The biggest thing assault frigs have going for them is their tank, but tbh the role of a frig in pvp isn't to tank, it's to slap as many damn scramblers on the target as fast as possible.
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2006.03.02 18:53:00 - [24] Originally by: Shibby DoWa whoever thinks assault frigates to truck loads of damage need to try looking at the bonuses more carefully. Besides a few select exceptions, just about every race's assault frigates are outdamaged by their race's interceptors. The Jaguar does exactly the same damage as a Rifter, while the Claw will do 25% more due to the extra damage bonus. The Wolf does 1 turret more damage than the rifter/jag, while yet again a claw will out damage it. The only difference is that assault frigs will do it at a slightly longer range. I believe it was said best with this quote: Originally by: Sarmaul actually, the issue is more that interceptors go faster and do more damage than assault frigs. The biggest thing assault frigs have going for them is their tank, but tbh the role of a frig in pvp isn't to tank, it's to slap as many damn scramblers on the target as fast as possible. "The" role of a frig in PvP? Love the flexibility you've got going there... :P
Grimpak	Posted - 2006.03.02 19:03:00 - [25] Originally by: Joerd Toastius Originally by: Shibby DoWa whoever thinks assault frigates to truck loads of damage need to try looking at the bonuses more carefully. Besides a few select exceptions, just about every race's assault frigates are outdamaged by their race's interceptors. The Jaguar does exactly the same damage as a Rifter, while the Claw will do 25% more due to the extra damage bonus. The Wolf does 1 turret more damage than the rifter/jag, while yet again a claw will out damage it. The only difference is that assault frigs will do it at a slightly longer range. I believe it was said best with this quote: Originally by: Sarmaul actually, the issue is more that interceptors go faster and do more damage than assault frigs. The biggest thing assault frigs have going for them is their tank, but tbh the role of a frig in pvp isn't to tank, it's to slap as many damn scramblers on the target as fast as possible. "The" role of a frig in PvP? Love the flexibility you've got going there... :P he's still right about the damage part tho ---------------- Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
Liet Traep	Posted - 2006.03.02 19:13:00 - [26] I've used an af several times in fleet ops to keep enemy inties off my mates BS or used them as a heavy tackler.
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2006.03.02 19:15:00 - [27] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Joerd Toastius Originally by: Shibby DoWa whoever thinks assault frigates to truck loads of damage need to try looking at the bonuses more carefully. Besides a few select exceptions, just about every race's assault frigates are outdamaged by their race's interceptors. The Jaguar does exactly the same damage as a Rifter, while the Claw will do 25% more due to the extra damage bonus. The Wolf does 1 turret more damage than the rifter/jag, while yet again a claw will out damage it. The only difference is that assault frigs will do it at a slightly longer range. I believe it was said best with this quote: Originally by: Sarmaul actually, the issue is more that interceptors go faster and do more damage than assault frigs. The biggest thing assault frigs have going for them is their tank, but tbh the role of a frig in pvp isn't to tank, it's to slap as many damn scramblers on the target as fast as possible. "The" role of a frig in PvP? Love the flexibility you've got going there... :P he's still right about the damage part tho Yup, and I agreed in an earlier post. That doesn't change the fact that saying an entire ship size is only useful for tackling is just plain stupid.
Helene Troi	Posted - 2006.03.02 19:19:00 - [28] Edited by: Helene Troi on 02/03/2006 19:23:22 Originally by: Tildia Cruiser and BS sized nos will also stop you in your tracks pretty quick, which is the main reason you cant deal with all cruisers. If they have a nos fitted stay away :) Erm... recently a Cyclone nos'd my Wolf down to no cap... Then he hadda run away 'cos the autocannons were still blazing away... It was great... To answer the original question, AF's are the dogs 'nads... The most fun ships to fly in this game...
Yarek Balear	Posted - 2006.03.02 19:29:00 - [29] Edited by: Yarek Balear on 02/03/2006 19:29:24 Have to agree - the most fun flying a ship I've ever had was the Harpy, Enyo and Ishkur - three great AFs for different reasons and all three were great fun to fly. Manouverability, damage capability, small chance of being hit by bigger targets all make AFs good fun. If you get outnumbered by a small group of AFs travelling out together, you better pucker up and kiss your ass goodbye for most ships... and you know they'll be doing it with a smile on their face !
Marcus Mualis	Posted - 2006.03.02 20:18:00 - [30] Alright then, what makes the Enyo and Ishkur different, and which is better?
Grimpak	Posted - 2006.03.02 20:51:00 - [31] Originally by: Marcus Mualis Alright then, what makes the Enyo and Ishkur different, and which is better? Enyo = direct firepower with good tank Ishkur = versatility and a good tank Enyo is less skill-intensive than the Ishkur, and Ishkur is less durable than the Enyo. ---------------- Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
Marcus Mualis	Posted - 2006.03.02 21:28:00 - [32] So the relatively newer player should go with the straight shooter? (Enyo) Which is better overall in combat?
Livia Tarquina	Posted - 2006.03.02 21:47:00 - [33] Focus on yourself first drones second. You can get to killing things faster with turrets than drones. I often forget about my drones when turrets do fine. "Big guns and heavy armor what else is there?" --Amarrian Admiral before entering battle against Jove Navy
Knoppaz	Posted - 2006.03.02 21:51:00 - [34] Enyo looks cooler
ChalSto	Posted - 2006.03.02 22:40:00 - [35] Originally by: Knoppaz Enyo looks cooler jap....it looks cooler........agreed. but: Ishkur > Enyo, becouse there are some little buggers, called T2-Warriors and T2-Valkyre Dreez current location: In his Blasterthron chasing TomB with a blowtorch. ChalSto joins him.
Daivasth	Posted - 2006.03.02 22:46:00 - [36] lol, assualt frigates are good because of their resists... try calculating how many module slots an inty would take up getting to a harpy's 0/60/70/80...
Grimpak	Posted - 2006.03.02 23:05:00 - [37] Originally by: ChalSto Originally by: Knoppaz Enyo looks cooler jap....it looks cooler........agreed. but: Ishkur > Enyo, becouse there are some little buggers, called T2-Warriors and T2-Valkyre damn thos buggers, specially the T2 warriors ---------------- Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
Knoppaz	Posted - 2006.03.02 23:14:00 - [38] Those little buggers will be jammed purely by the ravishing beauty of the Eny.. erm.. someone want's to buy those nice, red pieces of ..uh.. modern art?
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.03 00:15:00 - [39] Originally by: Daivasth lol, assualt frigates are good because of their resists... try calculating how many module slots an inty would take up getting to a harpy's 0/60/70/80... 2
Marcus Mualis	Posted - 2006.03.03 01:20:00 - [40] So I take it new player goes with the enyo because of ease of use? (guns rather than drones)
Grimpak	Posted - 2006.03.03 01:34:00 - [41] Originally by: Marcus Mualis So I take it new player goes with the enyo because of ease of use? (guns rather than drones) and it's better at pve ---------------- Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
Kai Jyokoroi	Posted - 2006.03.03 01:55:00 - [42] I'd like to also point out that the Enyo is a truly excellent tank for PVE for any type of rat. With three hardeners, a small t2 repper, a small AB t2 and a named cap charger you can make up the deficits/buff decficits even harder, as well as being able to fire all your guns and missile launcher and run your AB and repper forever. I would say that Angels are the hardest rats in the game (because they throw out all types of damage), and with this set-up - highs - anything mid - t2 small AB, eutetic cap recharger (18%) lows - energized adaptive nano, energized reactive x2, small named repper, anything I can easily tank the triple 1.7 mil BS Machariel spawns. Change the 2 reactives for an EM and a thermal and the same applies to Sanshas, can tank the 1.7 triple Nightmare spawns no sweat. I have yet to encounter a True Sansha spawn, but this baby really can tank absolutely anything with not much effort and I only have 4.5m SP. This ship is DEFINETELY much better than the Harpy for tanking at low SP levels without one of those named 60m small shield boosters. Gisti is it? Without damage mods it has a hard time breaking the tank of the 1.7 mil BSs, but hey, you can't have everything, can you? You should have a friend with you. I wub my Enyo. It makes me all my iskies. Of course I use Ishkurs for pvp, 3 medslots and 5 t2 light drones = yarrrrr Yer ma's nags
Maya Lee	Posted - 2006.03.03 05:25:00 - [43] Would you say Enyo's are not useful for PVP, or just not as good as the Ishkur, because I think I'd rather use the simple guns instead of drones, I dont know...
Maya Lee	Posted - 2006.03.04 21:26:00 - [44] bumper
Crellion	Posted - 2006.03.04 21:39:00 - [45] AFs are good at: - level 3s -being the tank in complexes (requires remote shield boosting) - killing noobs* - looking pretty - giving tech I cruisers a role in high profile pvp - dieing horribly (they can kill certain ship classes very easily IF those ship classes agree to attack them in which case they are noobs) they are not good at: - forcing enagements with smaller ships - tanking bigger ships - killing other AFs - forcing engagements - forcing engagements (* getting kills against experoenced enemies who know what they are doing) There is however 1 exception. The wolf has the bonus that it looks the same as a rifter this means you stand a better chance of being engaged by those that shouldnt engage you.
Dark Eulogy	Posted - 2006.03.04 21:44:00 - [46] Yeah but when you right click it, it doesn't even say Frigate, let alone if you hit show info it clearly says what it is. Who would be stupid eneough to fall for that?
Joerd Toastius	Posted - 2006.03.04 21:44:00 - [47] I've tanked a Navy Raven in my Retribution before. They'll tank pretty much any single ship provided they don't get webbed or nossed.
Boo Yaaaa	Posted - 2006.03.04 22:13:00 - [48] Originally by: Dark Eulogy Yeah but when you right click it, it doesn't even say Frigate, let alone if you hit show info it clearly says what it is. Who would be stupid eneough to fall for that? Lots of ppl make this mistake, ive killed ppl wiv my cerb and been mailed afterwards saying they thought i was a cara lol. The Harpy can pass as a merlin if the person who is planning to engage u dosnt take longer than a second to look @ u. It happens more often than u would think.
Wild Rho	Posted - 2006.03.04 22:15:00 - [49] What an AF's role is really comes down to how you choose to use it. I've always seen the AF as the main provider of a good hard punch in a small frigate pack. It's also a very effective anti frig platform for covering larger ships in the fleet sized operations.
Maya Lee	Posted - 2006.03.04 22:21:00 - [50] Well, are Enyo's alright for PVP?
Grimpak	Posted - 2006.03.04 22:26:00 - [51] Originally by: Maya Lee Well, are Enyo's alright for PVP? bluntly: bring it only if you have some buddies with you. ---------------- Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
Foulis	Posted - 2006.03.04 22:38:00 - [52] Edited by: Foulis on 04/03/2006 22:38:54 Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Maya Lee Well, are Enyo's alright for PVP? bluntly: bring it only if you have some buddies with you. Yeah I could never see an enyo beating an ishkur(or any other AF, maybe a cruiser though). Plus ishkurs are still cheaper. ---- I <3 Taranis Cake > Pie - Imaran Originally by: CCP Hammer Boobies
Jarek Naumen	Posted - 2006.03.04 23:21:00 - [53] Originally by: Knoppaz Enyo looks cooler Naah..the ishkur looks way cooler .
Yarek Balear	Posted - 2006.03.04 23:49:00 - [54] Ok, I've used the Enyo in PVP and in PVE. As many have said here, it's clearly an excellent ship for PVE. I'd personally taken down multi-BS spawns in it... For PVP, the equation becomes a little bit more complicated. For solo/very small groups the Ishkur is better because of its mid-slot flexibility. AB+webber+scrambler means you will be everyones friend (except your target). In larger frigate groups, where you can all mix/match webbers and scramblers, the Enyo may be better as it can still fit one of these with the AB and deal more immediate damage. At the end of the day - get both - they're not that expensive and they are both fun to fly... Which reminds me... WTB: Enyo Cheers, Yarek.
Dark Eulogy	Posted - 2006.03.05 00:27:00 - [55] What would have an easier time against a Caracal, a Wolf or an AC Rupture?
Grimpak	Posted - 2006.03.05 03:22:00 - [56] Originally by: Dark Eulogy What would have an easier time against a Caracal, a Wolf or an AC Rupture? vs caracal/AC rupie, none, vs wolf, prolly the ishkur, specially when it's an AC wolf. ---------------- Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
Mia Vallentine	Posted - 2006.03.05 03:39:00 - [57] Edited by: Mia Vallentine on 05/03/2006 03:40:47 Originally by: Dark Eulogy What would have an easier time against a Caracal, a Wolf or an AC Rupture? None of them. Don't asume that it all depends on the ship you're using. You can kill AFs in T1 frigates. I killed NPCing BS in a Harpy. It depends on your fitting, ingameskill, personal skill and of course a bit luck. It also depends on your opponent. Most skilled pilots will whipe out your AF with ease. Your luck is that there are very vew skilled pilots arround. The avarage pilot isn't good and by my experience with them, they don't even know how to fit their ships. I could tell you storys about 1on3's you'd be laughing your ass off. To answer your question: Get an Enyo. They are better to start off. After a while I'd get an Inshkur, tho.
Grimpak	Posted - 2006.03.05 03:49:00 - [58] Originally by: Mia Vallentine The avarage pilot isn't good and by my experience with them, they don't even know how to fit their ships. I could tell you storys about 1on3's you'd be laughing your ass off. on that issue I could even tell stories about weird BS setups I've seen sometimes (armageddon with Shadow Serp dual 250mm rail and stuff like a med hull repper comes to mind...) ---------------- Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
Benglada	Posted - 2006.03.05 03:57:00 - [59] i guess i would say i use them as heavy interceptors, able to tank damage, lock down a target and kill it (i got an eris to 50% hull in like 20 seconds..damn thing mwd'd away and warped off :( ) --------------------------- Originally by: Wrangler Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote..
Lunar Avengeress	Posted - 2006.03.05 05:46:00 - [60] hmm, I'm not as experienced as most of you guys, but I have been playing alot with a wolf lately. It sums up to this: As long as I'm not webfied I can kill anything, although my setup has nothing to do with what the forum posts suggest. (can't armor tank a wolf). If I pve the other thing that can cause me trouble is light missiles, but I've only had that type of problem during level 3 missions, not lowsec ratting. Drones have never been a problem yet (apart from the webbers of course), and nosses really don't scare me at all they risk doing is turning off my AB. If I'm webbed I better find a way to warp out, because then I'm really an easy target, and can't even get into range to shoot efficiently whatever ammo I use. To those who were sayin a claw can do more damage than a wolf, that's absolute nonsense. The wolf's extra gun makes a biiig difference. However comparing it to intys is interesting since with an ABII it goes to over 700 m/s and the tracking speed bonus you get means that with autocannons you still hit at that speed. Those who compare it to other tech1 frigs, I guess are just trying to sound smart but aren't. As for the other assault frigates I think they also look cool. I haven't tried myself at an enyo yet, but those blasters might also hurt at the range I use. I attacked a retribution the other day and it couldn't hit me once, then again it has incredible tanking possibilities. Some of these guys who are critisising AFs probably havent tested one within a year, or did it by using the same old settings. Also you can't use them like you would use a big ship. Tank and shoot isn't enough, you have to play with the faxt your ship is swift. To conclude: there is no 1 ship with 1 setup that beats every other ship in the game. The assault frig is a great toy with which you'll have a lot of fun killing most people.
Grimpak	Posted - 2006.03.05 11:54:00 - [61] Originally by: Lunar Avengeress To conclude: there is no 1 ship with 1 setup that beats every other ship in the game. The assault frig is a great toy with which you'll have a lot of fun killing most people. there ya go. enlightment achieved ---------------- Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
Grimpak	Posted - 2006.03.05 14:26:00 - [62] ok I had this stupid idea. since the Afrigs are lacking firepower, why not give it a role fixed bonus like "Assault frigate role bonus: +25% <insert gun type here> damage" ---------------- Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
Maliber	Posted - 2006.03.05 14:29:00 - [63] Edited by: Maliber on 05/03/2006 14:35:34 Another unmentioned pro of an af their use in frig gangs
Cluadius	Posted - 2006.03.05 15:32:00 - [64] Indeed, Small frig gangs of AFs (4-5) can roam 0.0, or low sec, and kick whatevers ass they see. My personal experience is that Ishkur>Enyo because of those dman sweet t2 drones...not to mention, it only has 1 less gun slot...i think 5 light t2 drones makes up for the one lost slot :)
Grimpak	Posted - 2006.03.05 15:42:00 - [65] Originally by: Cluadius Indeed, Small frig gangs of AFs (4-5) can roam 0.0, or low sec, and kick whatevers ass they see. My personal experience is that Ishkur>Enyo because of those dman sweet t2 drones...not to mention, it only has 1 less gun slot...i think 5 light t2 drones makes up for the one lost slot :) it also has another med ---------------- Originally by: Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.

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