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Corp Mule
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:36:00 -
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was wondering on what it would take or how many people to kill one in concord space...
anyone got any ideas ?
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Haniblecter Teg
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:37:00 -
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Its impossible.
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Linia
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:39:00 -
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leave the freigthers alone 
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Corp Mule
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:39:00 -
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how big of a gang of say battleships would it take , or is that even possible ?
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voogru
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:43:00 -
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It's possible.
It's just not worth it. You'll lose A LOT more ISK than the frieghter pilot.
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MachZERO
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:49:00 -
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 Originally by: Corp Mule
was wondering on what it would take or how many people to kill one in concord space...
anyone got any ideas ?
kids these days...
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Quebber
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:52:00 -
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do concord ships keep turning up?
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Corp Mule
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:52:00 -
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so what you are saying is that it would take a large gang ?
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: voogru
It's possible.
It's just not worth it. You'll lose A LOT more ISK than the frieghter pilot.
Not nessisarily true if the frieghter is killed then he stands to loose billions if he has a cargo bay full of goodies..
but why you would want to do it besides griefing/being a **** remains to be questioned since frieghters dont leave a can!! basically making it pointless to blow them up, unless they are your enemy in which case presumibly you'd have a war decleration out on them so wouldnt need to result to such lame tactics.
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Valea Silpha
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:55:00 -
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Its not impossible but you are looking at around 20 bombergeddons, and then you have to set it all up so they don't blow each other up. And then theres the problem of picking up its cargo aswell.
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Corp Mule
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:55:00 -
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just trying to get an idea of how big of a gang it would take.
there is always someone who would try such a thing.
trying to see the risks early on ;)
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lofty29
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:56:00 -
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Try this, very very rare that this will work though -
Make an alt you can play with at the same time as your main. Put him into a corp he makes and declare war on said corp. Then, find the freighter pilot and invite him to join a gang. If he acceptts, your main can now attack the freighter anywhere, as he is in a gang with a warring member. Bwaha 
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Reatu Krentor
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Posted - 2006.03.02 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Valea Silpha
Its not impossible but you are looking at around 20 bombergeddons, and then you have to set it all up so they don't blow each other up. And then theres the problem of picking up its cargo aswell.
freighters don't leave cans
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lofty29
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Reatu Krentor
freighters don't leave cans
Exactly, you'd gain nothing from suicide ganking one.
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B0rn2KiLL
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:10:00 -
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113-15 tempest pilots with 1400mm gank setups.. prefrably faction equipment and a 'im an *******' tshirt
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: B0rn2KiLL
113-15 tempest pilots with 1400mm gank setups.. prefrably faction equipment and a 'im an *******' tshirt
or gank ravens with rage torps at point blank range.
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Viper11
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:13:00 -
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Edited by: Viper11 on 02/03/2006 20:18:58
^^^^^^^
(edit: ohh din't think of gank ravens with rage torps, hmm lets assume each rage torp his for 1100, then you could go with 30 tech II fitted gank ravens)
Well first off killing the freighter wonĘt gain you anything, as they donĘt drop cans.
Secondly a freighter has around 125,000-190,000 hp (depending on skills), in a gang of 40 you will need to put out about 6000 dmg before you all die.
I would expect if you actually wanted to do this with any chance you go for about 50 people in tech II fitted, tempests (other bs's could work, but tempest is king of burst dmg). If you did this each gun (300 of them) would need to do a average of around 650 dmg, to insta pop it, I would suspect few ships would get off a second volley, but enough to make up the dmg needed by bad hits, and any misses.
Oh, if you do this, make sure you fraps it :D
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Estan Drake
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:17:00 -
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I doubt it would take even that many. They have alot of HP yes, but no hardners or shield boosts, etc.
Oh does concord still spank you if all those 115 Tempests were to cloak after their volley?
Anyway, if you really wanna suicide your freighter in 0.5 space hit that little self-destruct button and invite everyone in local to watch the fireworks and laugh at you
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Ady
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:18:00 -
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I'm thinking either the server or everyones computers will crash from the sheer amount of concord that would be spawned as a result of 50 odd pilots!
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Estan Drake
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:20:00 -
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Too bad sisi isn't up or we could all try it out and see if we could bring it back down
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Viper11
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Estan Drake
Oh does concord still spank you if all those 115 Tempests were to cloak after their volley?
Yes, its considered an exploite attack someone in .5+ and not lose your ship. So im pretty sure they will see through your cloak.
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Alekzander
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:23:00 -
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Even with squat resists you've got 90,000+ hull to go through. Thats a lot of damage to deal and at most your going to get 2 volleys off with tempests, maybe three with torp ravens. The cost to kill the freighter is going to be similar to the cost of the freighter + cargo. It's not worth it.
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Estan Drake
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:27:00 -
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Ok then. Just put massive amounts of trade goods in a jet can near a gate. The freighter man won't be able to resist the temptation seeing a jet can full of Robotics 
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Estan Drake
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:31:00 -
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Edited by: Estan Drake on 02/03/2006 20:33:49
Pooey... I thought it wa sonly they couldn't jet cans in space
Ok how about luring a bunch of Mission spawned NPCs over to the gate and then giving freighter-man some bump lovin
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Goberth Ludwig
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Posted - 2006.03.02 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Estan Drake
Ok then. Just put massive amounts of trade goods in a jet can near a gate. The freighter man won't be able to resist the temptation seeing a jet can full of Robotics
freighters cant pickup cans from space -_-
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Eyari
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:00:00 -
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Pair of newb questions...
1. If a freighter doesn't leave a can, does it leave anything? I'm guessing that all the cargo is exploded, if the freighter is downed.
2. Where is this documented? (imho, the info pages should have this and other things like, where dreadnaughts can and can't fly...but that's me).
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Wee Dave
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Estan Drake
Edited by: Estan Drake on 02/03/2006 20:33:49
Pooey... I thought it wa sonly they couldn't jet cans in space
Ok how about luring a bunch of Mission spawned NPCs over to the gate and then giving freighter-man some bump lovin
Persistent bumpage is considered an exploit if you keep it up for long enough. And even still, you are talking high sec, so frigates. It would take hours, if not days. And the npcs wouldn't have scramblers in 0.5, so the player could log off.
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Estan Drake
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:11:00 -
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http://www.eve-search.com/
That stuff is out there. just hard to find without a forum search
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Bloodst0ne
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Corp Mule
was wondering on what it would take or how many people to kill one in concord space...
anyone got any ideas ?
1. Are you serious??
2. If so it would take many bs/tacklers.
3. You would lose more than the freighter would.
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Mikal Drey
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Posted - 2006.03.02 21:57:00 -
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hey hey,
u could try getting the pilot to self destruct. then it would just take 2 to kill a freighter in empire
1st to self destruct
2nd to provide the scam/insurance/convincing.
thinking outside the box since 1973.
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Filan
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:45:00 -
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Freighter pilots should be able to turn off colision detection and pwn smaller ships that are dumb enough to get in the way, 500m wide, 2km long.... yea hitting an intercepter bumping you should be like a Mazda Miata meeting a tractor trailer...
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T'namo Celai
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Posted - 2006.03.02 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Wee Dave
Originally by: Estan Drake
Edited by: Estan Drake on 02/03/2006 20:33:49Persistent bumpage is considered an exploit if you keep it up for long enough. And even still, you are talking high sec, so frigates. It would take hours, if not days. And the npcs wouldn't have scramblers in 0.5, so the player could log off.
At least 1 gm has a different opinion on that; At least, his reply said that when i petitioned for it...
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:07:00 -
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I saw a powerpoint presentation back when freighters came out. (bored ppl at work ftw)
The maths came to about 15 ships to kill a freighter. It looked pretty feasible assuming the gankers dont get target jammed.
It was pre - RmR so my gank bs could output 1,200dps with ease. 15 bs opening up after launching drones would have got a good few vollies off before Concord put the donuts down to start targeting.
We actually got together to do it a few times but the freighters were a bit rare back then and we never realised they never dropped no cans At one stage just before our gang formed up we scanned a freighter with 5.5 bill ISK worth of zyd in its hold.
If we'd have found a target with a ful gang I reckon we'd have killed it
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.03.03 00:27:00 -
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plated smartbomb ships? would take concord a while to chew through them
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.03.03 00:41:00 -
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id say ravens t1 kitted are your best bet.
4 dmg mod in low, warp desrupters/tank in mids.
20 ravens imo would do the trick, each one salvos for 5k nearly so should be an instapop.
10 ravens might be able to do it assumeing that they get 3 shots in each.
but we are talking high sp pilots.
average it out to 15 t1 kitted ravens, thats about 500mil isk. most freighters are uninsured so the pilot would loose more even if his cargo is empty.
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Filan
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Posted - 2006.03.03 01:16:00 -
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however if they drop no loot its a waste to bother trying.
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Lorth
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Posted - 2006.03.03 01:37:00 -
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Originally by: Filan
however if they drop no loot its a waste to bother trying.
However, they could be carrying something valuable enough to lose your BS's just to destroy. I know of many people who have frieghter alts in an NPC corp. And often the only way to destroy them is to suicide them. And if it hurts your enemy more then it does you, then go for it.
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Filan
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Posted - 2006.03.03 01:41:00 -
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well if its a war target then by all means. i was talking about just ganking a random freighter isnt worth it. hard part is finding out who has alts.
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.03.03 01:43:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth
Originally by: Filan
however if they drop no loot its a waste to bother trying.
However, they could be carrying something valuable enough to lose your BS's just to destroy. I know of many people who have frieghter alts in an NPC corp. And often the only way to destroy them is to suicide them. And if it hurts your enemy more then it does you, then go for it.
infact if your BS insurace is about to run out anyway, and since insurance pays out more than the BS can be bought for currently. and if u fit t1 only, it could cost you NOTHING in real terms.
and corps tend to insure ships in one go, thus its likely that u could have 15BS with 5days insurace remaining.
in a case like that, it is infact almost no loss inflicted on yourselfs and large loss on the freighter pilot corp/allaince.
if u buy, insure, and pop on the same day u loose roughly 20mils per tier 2 BS. if insurance is about to go anyway, then u loose near enough nothing per ship
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Posted - 2006.03.03 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ady
I'm thinking either the server or everyones computers will crash from the sheer amount of concord that would be spawned as a result of 50 odd pilots!
Out of all the scenarios described i'm thinking this is the most likely one. If you gank something in high sec space about 4-5 Concord battleships spawn + support X 40... O.o
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Valea Silpha
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Posted - 2006.03.03 02:25:00 -
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As you pointed out , its certainly feasable to gank a freighter. And indeed it may cost you nothing 'in real terms' ... but then why bother ? Theres no real motivation to go after a freighter unless its an alt of a war target or something similar. And you don't even really get the guarentee of killing it with less than 20 ships. Then no loot.
Its pointless.
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Culmen
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Posted - 2006.03.03 02:46:00 -
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This almost sounds like a joke
i can imagine someone going up and asking
"how many suicide kessies does it take to gank a freighter?"
insert silly response here
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Foulis
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Posted - 2006.03.03 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: Culmen
This almost sounds like a joke
i can imagine someone going up and asking
"how many suicide kessies does it take to gank a freighter?"
insert silly response here
500 =D
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Filan
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Posted - 2006.03.03 03:44:00 -
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if one could get 500 kestrels togather at one time i can think of better targets. such as a Dread or a Titan that has just spent its doomsday device. mind you 500 kestrel zerg would be a lag monster when all of them fire their missles or rockets(imagine the system load of tracking 2000 missles/rockets per volley in a small area).
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.03.03 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Culmen
This almost sounds like a joke
i can imagine someone going up and asking
"how many suicide kessies does it take to gank a freighter?"
insert silly response here
But its not a joke.
It's evil being creative. As I said, if you dont get target jammed you could prolly do it.
It may be pointless but guess what? It's a game! A fact often overlooked.
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