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Ms Freak	Posted - 2006.03.02 20:19:00 - [1] Edited by: Ms Freak on 02/03/2006 20:21:41 Customer (Darren Smith) 02/27/2006 11:32 PM Hi, What is the score with teh people exploiting game mechanics in Jita?? They are sitting at a gate in Jita (normaly the Kisogo Gate) with an Indy a BS with a passive targetter or 3 and 4 sensor boosters on it and a couple of caracels.. then they wait for aosmone to come along with 100mil+ worth of stuff in and they get one of the caracels to Gank him - because Condord take so long to kill them they can kill thier target and get the loot. Then the dead pilot heads to the nearest station and refits before comming back out and doing it all over again. They are clearly exploiting the fact that a single voley of missles will kill something before condord kil them and then profitiing from it in secure space Jita is a 0.9 System and i witnessed the very same thing at the Jita gate in Kisogo. This is horribly unfair to the carebares and noobs of EVE as well as the more experienced players that expect to be safe in secure space but are obviously not. What is the current position on the clear explotiing of game mechanics?? snip NOTE: READ BEFORE FLAMING: I use the word "Exploit" as a description of what is going on - i do not mean it to be an "Exploit" in the sense that people are doing some AGAINST game ethics/rules because the people doing this are CLEARLY NOT "EXPLOITING" EVE they are "TAKING ADVANTAGE OF" the way EVE works. If you actually take the time to think about what people are doing the CCP guy is PERFECTLY CORRECT in saying they are not breaking any rules/exploiting etc. This is basicly the main problem. The easiest solution to this in my opinion is to simply give CONCORD a response time of SecRatingMilliseconds () and make them do 1298312987391283791287 Basic Damage Per shot with an ROF of 0.000000001 milliseconds Removed GM response - Teblin
Gray Carmicheal	Posted - 2006.03.02 20:23:00 - [2] snip And yeah, Never gonna change. You're not safe anywhere. Yarrr Please don't post spam - Teblin My sig was CONCORDOKKENED. I blame Wrangler H4x.
Lori Carlyle	Posted - 2006.03.02 20:23:00 - [3] There are lots of ways to protect your cargo from being scanned.. Also your not allowed to post Dev or petition replys on the forums in case you did not know (not havin a go if you already did) Eve is dynamic anything goes, think of Concord as your local police, they get the guy just in time to save the crime from being done.. or in my home town 7 hours for a squad car to get to the robbery when the store was accross the street from the cop shop.. PINK PINK PINK PINK PINK ERISGREEN Eris <3 Meh! Me Need Sig..
Morbid AngelLust	Posted - 2006.03.02 20:23:00 - [4] instas maybe?
Soulis	Posted - 2006.03.02 20:24:00 - [5] the fact is its allowed and imho perfectly fine. ccp has given you the tools to avoid or prevent it from happening use them.
dabster	Posted - 2006.03.02 20:25:00 - [6] All these daily clueless "OMG I GOT GANKED IN EMPIRE ITS NOT SAFE!!!"-threads, make me wanna go high sec pirating tbh. /loads up alt ___________________________ Brutors Rule! My Eve-vids; Click.
MachZERO	Posted - 2006.03.02 20:25:00 - [7] I can fully understand the concern on the part of the victim to these crimes. But consider that this can actually become a way by which some players make a "living" in Eve much like the pirates that ransom your pod for isk. Last I checked tho it's still a no-no to post any gm responses or whatnot to the forums and having your real name in the OP is probably a bad idea as well. nothing but happy...
Gray Carmicheal	Posted - 2006.03.02 20:27:00 - [8] No Kiddin. /me thinks he needs to train BS finally. My sig was CONCORDOKKENED. I blame Wrangler H4x.
mirel yirrin	Posted - 2006.03.02 20:27:00 - [9] Originally by: dabster All these daily clueless "OMG I GOT GANKED IN EMPIRE ITS NOT SAFE!!!"-threads, make me wanna go high sec pirating tbh. /loads up alt Indeed, its incredibly funny. Also, Why the hell do you carry billions in a hauler? Its like filling your pockets with all the money you can lay your hadns on and then walking up and down streets at random, whilst using it as a fan. Your Gonna get mugged, there are ways around it and people are too stupid to use them. Just like the missile Change. --------------------------------- Stop Spamming - Eshtir Violate my sig some more! /signed - Wrangler scribble -Kaemonn
Bbllaarrgg	Posted - 2006.03.02 20:30:00 - [10] Its funny, when this happened to me 2 years ago, my second(!) thought was, 'you know thats a damn cunning idea.' as opposed to trying to get it nerfed as an 'exploit' like everyone at the moment seems to be doing... Its really easy to avoid, hence its only happened to me once, a long time ago _________________________ Insert fnord here.

mirel yirrin	Posted - 2006.03.02 20:31:00 - [11] Originally by: Bbllaarrgg Its funny, when this happened to me 2 years ago, my second(!) thought was, 'you know thats a damn cunning idea.' as opposed to trying to get it nerfed as an 'exploit' like everyone at the moment seems to be doing... Its really easy to avoid, hence its only happened to me once, a long time ago I love you hippo, I want your babies! Rawrr! Derail the thread ftw! --------------------------------- Stop Spamming - Eshtir Violate my sig some more! /signed - Wrangler scribble -Kaemonn
MachZERO	Posted - 2006.03.02 20:32:00 - [12] Originally by: mirel yirrin Originally by: dabster All these daily clueless "OMG I GOT GANKED IN EMPIRE ITS NOT SAFE!!!"-threads, make me wanna go high sec pirating tbh. /loads up alt Indeed, its incredibly funny. Also, Why the hell do you carry billions in a hauler? Its like filling your pockets with all the money you can lay your hadns on and then walking up and down streets at random, whilst using it as a fan. Your Gonna get mugged, there are ways around it and people are too stupid to use them. Just like the missile Change. agreed... Current solutions to the gank issue include: Transport (gate runner or tank out a heavy transport) Freighter (this is obvious) Battleship (an apoc or gedon with lows filled with expanders works too. very slow tho) The solutions are here ppl.. use them.. -------------------------------------- "All that is, Ever was, Will be ever, Twisting, Turning, Through the never" --------------------------------------
Teblin	Posted - 2006.03.02 20:32:00 - [13] Edited out the GM conversation. You are not allowed to post private GM correspondance on the forums. And I cleaned a whole bunch of spam out of the thread. I don't care how bored you are, there is no excuse for spamming and adding work for us mods. If you think a thread needs moderator attention, please email [email protected] with your character name and a link to the offending thread. forum rules \| [email protected]
Gonada	Posted - 2006.03.02 20:34:00 - [14] What is the score with teh people exploiting game mechanics in Jita?? -------------------------- see thats the point, its NOT an exploit !! you show me where it says it is a exploit, ya thats right, you cant. what it does say is that even in HIGH sec space, you can attack people, but IF you do, you will DIE. And despite repeated threads telling noobs (like you I assume) to be on guard even in high sec, and the fact that this has been going on 3 years, and is always reiterated evry time a new batch of people come in game, people still think they are safe, still blindly STUCK in thier carebear ways. this isnt a carebear game , regarless if you think it is or not. if you have problems with this, I suggest you go play something else. -I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
AKULA UrQuan	Posted - 2006.03.02 20:41:00 - [15] Tank your t1 hauler. Yes, it is possible
Sarmea Moon	Posted - 2006.03.02 20:47:00 - [16] Originally by: AKULA UrQuan Tank your t1 hauler. Yes, it is possible Not just possible, but not that hard. Also, God forbid, you could try hauling HALF loads. Nothing ingame says you have to wait until your hold is full before hauling it. I regularly run 20-40 mill of goods ( 1/4 tank), and the ganks dont bother with me; I'm not worth their raven! If you haven't already, go watch the CCP video of the caldari pirate. He says the greatest weapon is a brain...... --------- "English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over, and goes through thier pockets for loose grammar. "
Cmdr Sy	Posted - 2006.03.02 20:48:00 - [17] CONCORD is a 100% guarantee that your attacker will lose his ship. CONCORD is 0% guarantee that your attacker won't profit from it. There is no Exploit.
Necronomicon	Posted - 2006.03.02 20:53:00 - [18] Originally by: Cmdr Sy CONCORD is a 100% guarantee that your attacker will lose his ship. CONCORD is 0% guarantee that your attacker won't profit from it. There is no Exploit. Signed. Carlsberg dont make Eve Pilots, but if they did, i wouldnt be one of them.
Bbllaarrgg	Posted - 2006.03.02 20:55:00 - [19] Originally by: mirel yirrin Originally by: Bbllaarrgg Its funny, when this happened to me 2 years ago, my second(!) thought was, 'you know thats a damn cunning idea.' as opposed to trying to get it nerfed as an 'exploit' like everyone at the moment seems to be doing... Its really easy to avoid, hence its only happened to me once, a long time ago I love you hippo, I want your babies! Rawrr! Derail the thread ftw! Im not a hippo, theres no purple here But yes lets derail the thread, do you put the milk in b4 the water or after when making cups of tea? _________________________ Insert fnord here.
Hatiras	Posted - 2006.03.02 21:17:00 - [20] Just a note to the OP crusading for newbie's rights. I doubt a newbie is going to have enough valuable cargo to make it profitable for a pirate.

Hatiras	Posted - 2006.03.02 21:17:00 - [21] Just a note to the OP crusading for newbie's rights. I doubt a newbie is going to have enough valuable cargo to make it profitable for a pirate.
F'nog	Posted - 2006.03.02 21:39:00 - [22] Originally by: Cmdr Sy CONCORD is a 100% guarantee that your attacker will lose his ship. CONCORD is 0% guarantee that your attacker won't profit from it. There is no Exploit. I think this is the clearest, most concise way this has ever been stated before. Well done. Originally by: Bl4zer But, cmon, this is the Eve forums, we don't let facts get in the way of pointless speculation.
F'nog	Posted - 2006.03.02 21:39:00 - [23] Originally by: Cmdr Sy CONCORD is a 100% guaraEVE Online \| EVE Insider \| Forums
Xelios	Posted - 2006.03.02 21:46:00 - [24] Put your cargo in secure cans. Use a Transport. Or a BS fitted with 1600mm plates. Or a MWD cruiser fitted with 1600mm plates or shield extenders. The list goes on. There are already ample ways in the game to ensure you don't fall victim to one of these ganks, don't blame CCP if you're too lazy to properly protect your valuables. Quote: This is horribly unfair to the carebares and noobs of EVE as well as the more experienced players that expect to be safe in secure space but are obviously not. The number one rule in EVE has always been you are never 100% safe anywhere but inside a station. This won't change, and I'm thankful for it. Signature removed. -Zhuge ([email protected]) Woot.
BigEd88	Posted - 2006.03.02 21:53:00 - [25] what I hate is when you have an empty cargo hold, don't have any bounty against you, are in a cheap ship or shuttle, and are still blown up at the gate, and possibly pod killed, just "because". Whats the point in that? I like that this games allows for such a wide selection of things to do, but blowing up a shuttle or ibis only causes inconvience and certainly isn't profitable. With that said it makes it important to pay attention while traveling although I hate when it seems your dead before you even fully stop from warp :P Probibly the worst first post ever but I hate getting killed at a gate for no reason at all.
Gray Carmicheal	Posted - 2006.03.02 21:57:00 - [26] Originally by: BigEd88 what I hate is when you have an empty cargo hold, don't have any bounty against you, are in a cheap ship or shuttle, and are still blown up at the gate, and possibly pod killed, just "because". Whats the point in that? I like that this games allows for such a wide selection of things to do, but blowing up a shuttle or ibis only causes inconvience and certainly isn't profitable. With that said it makes it important to pay attention while traveling although I hate when it seems your dead before you even fully stop from warp :P Probibly the worst first post ever but I hate getting killed at a gate for no reason at all. And you sound like you're talking about 0.4 or below, or your corp is at war and the enemy knows where. Either way, it's a risk you take. Of course, if you're in Jita and some guy is willing to get his Raven popped to take a Shuttle, you can enjoy a hearty laugh. My sig was CONCORDOKKENED. I blame Wrangler H4x.
Sykosys	Posted - 2006.03.02 21:59:00 - [27] Get out of Jita. If Jita wasn't so damned crowded those guys suiciding woudn't be there LOL And they are there because there are plenty of people flying through with millions in unprotected goods. A good reason t2 industrials were introduced. Sure training the appropriate indy skill wil take a month to get to 5 but its worth it when you consider what is happening. SYKOSYS
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.03.02 22:01:00 - [28] Empire suicide ganking is awesome \m/,. Wish I'd thought of it. Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Marcus Aurelius	Posted - 2006.03.02 22:03:00 - [29] You ask what the stance is on the problem of people getting killed in high sec space. The answer is that you description of the problem is faulty. High sec space is exactly what is says, high security space. It's a zone in which the rate of security is relatively high compared to other space, like gosh low sec space. The problem is players assuming high sec space, also called 'safe' space is a term used to express an absolute while in fact the security referred to is entirely relative and was never meant to be anything diffferent. Therefore, the problem is not the killing but the following error of judgement: Quote: ...expect to be safe in secure space
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.03.02 22:09:00 - [30] This is cake This is a kitten look closely and you can see the difference it is harder to see than the fact there is another thread that this could easily have been posted on sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin



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