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HippoKing	Posted - 2006.03.03 19:01:00 - [61] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Roga Midrennie Originally by: Xelios Put your cargo in secure cans. Which achieves what exactly? Oh, thats right, nothing at all. Cargo scanner doesnt even show the can, it just shows the contents. no, thats entirely true. plastic wraps are a different matter though Where can we find plastic cans? either let something drop out of an escrow, or make a courier mission for yourself sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.03.03 19:01:00 - [62] Originally by: Calynus Empire space should be safe from the deprevations of griefers/gankers. The easy way to solve the issue is to have Concord not only blow up the offenders, but also to return the non-destroyed goods to the victim or make the can impossible to loot by anyone except the owner Then it doesn't become profitable to gank in secure space, which it shouldn't be if you're not in a corporation war. The only ones defending this stupidity are gankers. CarebearÖ ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.03.03 19:04:00 - [63] Originally by: Calynus The only ones defending this stupidity are gankers. stupid sweeping generalisations truly are 4tw! i am an ebil ganker! you have no idea how hard it is to keep my sec up at 5.0 while ganking every indy that comes past sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin
Calynus	Posted - 2006.03.03 19:06:00 - [64] Edited by: Calynus on 03/03/2006 19:06:59 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire CarebearÖ The current game mechanics are being exploited by griefers, and secure space should be just that: secure. If thinking that the current system is messed up makes me a "carebear", so be it.
Quanteeri	Posted - 2006.03.03 19:07:00 - [65] Originally by: HippoKing Originally by: Calynus The only ones defending this stupidity are gankers. stupid sweeping generalisations truly are 4tw! i am an ebil ganker! you have no idea how hard it is to keep my sec up at 5.0 while ganking every indy that comes past Yes, agreed. Truly a clueless statement.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.03.03 19:07:00 - [66] Originally by: Calynus Edited by: Calynus on 03/03/2006 19:06:59 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire CarebearÖ The current game mechanics are being exploited by griefers, and secure space should be just that: secure. If thinking that the current system is messed up makes me a "carebear", so be it. WhinebearÖ ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Quanteeri	Posted - 2006.03.03 19:09:00 - [67] Edited by: Quanteeri on 03/03/2006 19:12:24 Originally by: Calynus Edited by: Calynus on 03/03/2006 19:06:59 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire CarebearÖ The current game mechanics are being exploited by griefers, and secure space should be just that: secure. If thinking that the current system is messed up makes me a "carebear", so be it. No, what makes you a carebear is the fact that you want the game to automatically do for you that which you are not willing to do for yourself. I <3 Jenny!!! (even though I'm pretty sure Jenny is a guy irl.)
David Sinclair	Posted - 2006.03.03 19:13:00 - [68] Originally by: Calynus The easy way to solve the issue is to have Concord not only blow up the offenders, but also to return the non-destroyed goods to the victim or make the can impossible to loot by anyone except the owner I kinda like the idea of Concord impounding the material as evidence and shipping it to the nearest Concord station, where it could be picked up after a bribe, er, processing fee, has been paid...
Calynus	Posted - 2006.03.03 19:17:00 - [69] Originally by: David Sinclair Originally by: Calynus The easy way to solve the issue is to have Concord not only blow up the offenders, but also to return the non-destroyed goods to the victim or make the can impossible to loot by anyone except the owner I kinda like the idea of Concord impounding the material as evidence and shipping it to the nearest Concord station, where it could be picked up after a bribe, er, processing fee, has been paid... That's a decent way to do it actually. Makes sense. Concord has to make money somehow, right?
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.03.03 19:18:00 - [70] Originally by: Calynus Concord has to make money somehow, right? i think they should make their money from taxes. paid entirely by characters whose name rhymes with salynus sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin

Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.03.03 19:19:00 - [71] Originally by: Quanteeri I <3 Jenny!!! (even though I'm pretty sure Jenny is a guy irl.) Not for those who have heard me in TS. But officially in forums, I am part of MMORPG because I could use less spams in my mailbox. My EvE mailbox is now becoming as bad as my RL mailbox. I rarely check my mailbox unless I have the time to. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.03.03 19:21:00 - [72] Originally by: Calynus I like how some kids have to resort to name calling because they can't argue intelligently. When you're outclassed, just use insults to hide you inability to debate, or your complete lack of a valid point. shakes head ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Calynus	Posted - 2006.03.03 19:21:00 - [73] I like how some kids have to resort to name calling because they can't argue intelligently. When you're outclassed, just use insults to hide you inability to debate, or your complete lack of a valid point. shakes head
Zysco	Posted - 2006.03.03 19:33:00 - [74] You realize that every one of these threads just inspires more people to go high sec gank right? Hell I've got plenty of sec, think I'll go try ourslaert. New vid: "we're back"
Kira Natel	Posted - 2006.03.03 19:38:00 - [75] A lot of new players have joined EVE in the last few months. It seems to me that alot of them are not interested in the hardcore PVP playstyle. CCP has to notice this but rarely compromises.That may be good and bad at the same time. Also the forums are rather biased as most of the posts are either flamed or support only the pirate/Pvp (combat)point of view. CCP relies too much on that.
F'nog	Posted - 2006.03.03 19:39:00 - [76] Originally by: Calynus Edited by: Calynus on 03/03/2006 19:30:49 I like how some kids have to resort to name calling because they can't argue intelligently. When you're outclassed, just use insults to hide your inability to debate, or your complete lack of a valid point. shakes head I see secure space as the "Trammel" of EVE. It should be safe, but limited, which it is. You won't get the best loot and minerals in the game if you don't venture into low-sec space, or "Felucca" where you can be targeted by pirates. Low-sec space is where all the best loot, spawns, and minerals are, as it should be. If anyone wants a piece of the pie, they have to take risks, like losing ships/clones and loot. This just makes sense. If pirates want to gank 24/7 in low-sec space, all the power to them because that's what low-sec space is there for if that's your style of play. Right now, griefers and gankers are bypassing Concord and profiting it from it in areas of space that are supposed to be safe. I have a problem with that, because I see it as an exploit. I've PVPed in UO, Asheron's Call and WOW. I also play Planetside, a PVP-only MMO, and now EVE. If PVP scared me, I wouldn't be here. Carebear indeed.... That's nice. Now go read up on what CCP want to do with Eve, the rules they've set, etc. No matter how much you "want" or "believe" something to be, unless the devs agree you're out of luck. The devs have a vision for how Eve should be, and they've set up the rules to reflect that. One of those rules is nowhere is safe except the inside of a station. No matter how much new players whine that's not going to change. To paraphrase what someone else has said many times: CCP has given us the tools to do things in Eve. It's up to the players to use them properly to overcome difficulties. Originally by: Bl4zer But, cmon, this is the Eve forums, we don't let facts get in the way of pointless speculation.
ElCoCo	Posted - 2006.03.03 19:48:00 - [77] Ppl continuously need someone to baby sit them ... just like rl
Lorzon	Posted - 2006.03.03 19:48:00 - [78] Ok, I know in the past I have argued the OPs point. But, having recently moved into Low Sec/0.0, my opinion has changed somewhat. What perturbs me more is the general "Poo Poo, get over it noob!" attitude that seems to pervade the responses. I find it irritating that so many people seem to have the attitude that just because something can be done, it means that it should be done. To the OP, I say be more careful, plan things out better, and if all else fails, get a corpie to scout ahead for you(a good idea if you are hauling millions(perhaps hundreds of millions) of either your personal or corp materiel). To the rest of you. I will remind that there are people on the other end of a Player(you) vs. Player(your victim)confrontation, with their own feelings and opinions. So you should be more considerate in dealing with them OOG or In Game either one, instead of being general buggers about it. ___ My EVE life is like a box of chocolates. Ones that I'm mildly allergic to.
Bbllaarrgg	Posted - 2006.03.03 19:53:00 - [79] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Calynus Empire space should be safe from the deprevations of griefers/gankers. The easy way to solve the issue is to have Concord not only blow up the offenders, but also to return the non-destroyed goods to the victim or make the can impossible to loot by anyone except the owner Then it doesn't become profitable to gank in secure space, which it shouldn't be if you're not in a corporation war. The only ones defending this stupidity are gankers. CarebearÖ Yup, i too would be classed as a carebear, but find myself arguing things should stay as they are. _________________________________________________ Insert fnord here.
Ellandrian D'Amerathe	Posted - 2006.03.03 19:54:00 - [80] Has it occured to anyone other than the PVP community that Eve is intended to be pretty community driven, CCP provides a framework of game mechanics and the occasional, rare, event and whatever happens, happens because of the players. That is a core strength of the game and excessive "mothering" of players by CCP will destroy that strength. Fact: High sec ganking would mostly go away if it was not profitable. You would still have the odd griefer doing it for kicks but it would be greatly reduced. Why is high sec ganking profitable? Because players make it profitable. Want it to end? Make it more trouble than it's worth. There are so many ways to make it inconvienient for a ganker and many are suggested on this thread. Use small fast ships, use transports, use a battleship, use partners to scout, avoid the normal trade routes, use instas, fit your hauler to tank. Almost anythingother than "fly my slow hauler blindly through gate after gate, packing millions in cargo while afk watching television" will increase your odds of getting that cargo safely through 10 fold. Instead a bunch of you guys just blindly follow the rest of the lemmings off of the cliff, over and over. I can not remember who said it, but one person said a definition of insanity is doing the same thing twice and expecting different results. Your behavior encourages the ganking, if you want the ganking to stop, change your behavior so it is not so easy anymore.

Rosenkranz	Posted - 2006.03.03 20:08:00 - [81] Actually there is a possible exploit here, but it's not Condord's slow reaction time or their sloppy crime scene security. I'm a relative newb, but so far that I've read, it doesn't take more than a few suicide runs to get you on Concord's KOS list (or is that facitonal KOS lists?) Where there could be an exploit (already acknoleged by CCP) is that you can start an alt and have them boot strapped into a caracal in less than a day. This is essencially a disposable alt. And making alts like this for the sole purpose of piloting suicide crusiers (and absorbing the sec hit) and already been declared a bannable offense (this is second hand so I don't have a link sadly). Personally, I'd like to see Concord handle the crime scene different but I'm not sure how. It does seem stupid that they'd let just anybody pick up either destroyed ship's cargo. I just can't think of a solution that wouldn't be an abomination to code. The simplest solution at this point is just take precautions appropriate to the value of the cargo. And above all else. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose! (this is the first and last rule of EVE) ----------------- Some day my portrait will show up :P (but not today)
Kaynard Stormwalker	Posted - 2006.03.03 20:22:00 - [82] This thread delivers ! I now know Jenny is a girl...hmn, blonde caldari's . Check your mail ! (lol) Still, I think thats a least more "honorable" than noobs that log out when their punishment is coming.
OVERCOPES 1	Posted - 2006.03.03 21:11:00 - [83] Originally by: Carter Burke Originally by: Avon The idea is for the players to play the game. If the pirates need two people to kill you and take your stuff, is it unreasonable for you to have someone with you to recover your stuff? Play the game, don't expect it to play for you. Never said I expected it to play for me. However, the hauler used by the gankers is considered immune to reprisal. That constitutes an exploit of the game mechanics to give an unfair advantage to the gankers. Which, aside from being bannable, should be fixed. So long as the hauler can get away clean, the can should simply be destroyed. Once fixed, and making all the gankers subject to retaliation, that will no longer be necessary. CB LOL at you,go play wow ffs. Technolisa>those yellow things work better than platinum insurance :P
fuze	Posted - 2006.03.03 21:13:00 - [84] Why should a plastic wrap help against scanning when a can doesnt? What about Faraday? ___________________________ Ethernal glory is hugely overrated.
OVERCOPES 1	Posted - 2006.03.03 21:20:00 - [85] Man this topic ***s me up. Empire is not 100% safe,if you dont like it,** off and play another game. You wont be missed,unless you got nice loot in your hold Technolisa>those yellow things work better than platinum insurance :P
Jentai Cylor	Posted - 2006.03.03 21:54:00 - [86] The system is horribly flawed. The fact the mechanics permit this type of action isn't "realistic" in any manner. Try making a poractice of standing outside a bank and robbing customers as they come out. You might get away with it once, possibly twice. But "reality" dictates you will get nailed. In any system where players are FORCED to wait there should be an enhanced police force there maintain order. Just like in real life.... Also, anyone looting a can belonging to someone who was just killed by means of a crime should also be tied to the murderer. Just like real life.... All I hear is those benefiting screaming how "unreal" it is to put limitations on this behavior. But in reality, if you murder someone in real life, in the middle of an airport with witness (fair comparison to gate camping), you will die or end up in prison for the remainder of your life. Running away for a few minutes doesn't purge your record. One witnessed high sec murder should drop your faction into the dirt. Just like real life :)
Tobiaz	Posted - 2006.03.03 22:02:00 - [87] Originally by: Jentai Cylor The system is horribly flawed. The fact the mechanics permit this type of action isn't "realistic" in any manner. Try making a poractice of standing outside a bank and robbing customers as they come out. You might get away with it once, possibly twice. But "reality" dictates you will get nailed. In any system where players are FORCED to wait there should be an enhanced police force there maintain order. Just like in real life.... Also, anyone looting a can belonging to someone who was just killed by means of a crime should also be tied to the murderer. Just like real life.... All I hear is those benefiting screaming how "unreal" it is to put limitations on this behavior. But in reality, if you murder someone in real life, in the middle of an airport with witness (fair comparison to gate camping), you will die or end up in prison for the remainder of your life. Running away for a few minutes doesn't purge your record. One witnessed high sec murder should drop your faction into the dirt. Just like real life :) The part where RL analogies with EVE run foul is the part where EVE actually is ... a GAME Shocking...isn't it? Spacerats hibernating
Danitar	Posted - 2006.03.04 00:49:00 - [88] well well well ..luky here lil fellor come over here to big pappa and i'll protect ya'..i wont let them bad guy's pick on ya no more...i know it's rough out there in the bad world of eve , but it's ok now daddy's got cha' and i aint goina let em' hurt ya' no more.... no sir now hurry along over here now.. ya' here
Mia Vallentine	Posted - 2006.03.04 02:23:00 - [89] Originally by: Calynus Right now, griefers and gankers are bypassing Concord and profiting it from it in areas of space that are supposed to be safe. I have a problem with that, because I see it as an exploit. Nice reasoning... because you think it's not right? Where does it say, that high sec space is safe? It's been discussed so many times, ppl got tired of it. Always the same argument: "Buhhuuuuhu, that's not fair/that's not right..." Just whining and accusions... On a more serious note: I DO believe there is a problem. But it's not Concord or ebil griefers. It's the fact that we have alts. It's been said so many times. Alts ruin the game, cause you as a main suffer no concequences and can simply delete him when his work is done. Before you ask: I'm not an alt just a trialacc, will reactivate my main in a few days and guess what will be the first thing I'll do? Got a lot of Caracals and Sec.-rating to waste...
Vang Vorkain	Posted - 2006.03.04 02:53:00 - [90] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Calynus Empire space should be safe from the deprevations of griefers/gankers. The easy way to solve the issue is to have Concord not only blow up the offenders, but also to return the non-destroyed goods to the victim or make the can impossible to loot by anyone except the owner Then it doesn't become profitable to gank in secure space, which it shouldn't be if you're not in a corporation war. The only ones defending this stupidity are gankers. CarebearÖ A%% Hole



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